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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« on: Today at 11:01:24 AM »
This could be the start of a dynasty.  What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

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Not just swept.  They were swept by Oakland (!).  Plus two of Oakland's starting pitchers went down with injuries during the series.  This was a pathetic performance by the Blue Jays.  They mailed it in.

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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« on: Yesterday at 08:46:37 PM »
Vegas picked up the cup. They are cursed now. Bunch of rookies. You can tell they are a new franchise. There is no way they will win the Stanley Cup now. They are doomed.

Marc-Andre Fleury (3-time Stanley Cup champion) told Engelland to pick it up. The Pens picked up the Wales in 2009, 2016, and 2017.
Still cursed.  Pittsburgh got lucky.  It was a fluke.  It was because of Phil Kessel.

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What do you guys think? Is John Gibbons going to get fired? I'm starting to think so.


Tough to tell at this point, but you know what, I wouldn't doubt it.  I wouldn't put the all of the blame load on Gibby, but if this team doesn't shake itself out of it's reverie, then anything goes.
I don't blame Gibby either but I'm starting to think a change is needed.  He was great at dealing with the big egos like Bautista but I'm not sure he's the guy the younger players need right now.  Also the Osuna thing happened and clearly it's not Gibby's fault, but I have a feeling there may have been warning signs.  I think Gibbons might be too laid back and the players have run amok.  That's the impression I'm getting.  Even look at Stroman's behavior and the way he runs his mouth off.  Most managers would shut down the studio on that immediately.  Or else they would ship them out of town.  Stroman comes across as an arrogant self-entitled spoiled brat to me.  He must be cancer in the clubhouse.

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2018 NHL Playoffs / Re: Jets (C2) vs. Golden Knights (P1)
« on: Yesterday at 06:12:19 PM »
Vegas picked up the cup. They are cursed now. Bunch of rookies. You can tell they are a new franchise. There is no way they will win the Stanley Cup now. They are doomed.

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What do you guys think? Is John Gibbons going to get fired? I'm starting to think so.

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The Jays needed everything to go right this season in order to make the playoffs, and, well, everything is not going right.  Tonight they fell below .500.  It's kind of sad.  To see them lose against lousy teams like Oakland and the Mets is pretty brutal.  Hopefully they can turn things around.  But it's looking more and more as though Josh Donaldson is going to be traded and they will start the rebuild.  The big issue for the team right now is having two of their starting pitchers on the DL.  It's going to be pitchers from Buffalo pitching all weekend long for them.


Estrada tonight actually pitched solidly save for that one inning bsck in the sixth. 

The trouble with the Blue Jay starters this year is that, apart from J.A. Happ,  no one has gone the distance much and have been quite inconsistent in terms of runs allowed/innings pitched each time.  More consistency would certainly help their starters to regain some steady form on the mound.

The Stroman situation is definitely frustrating and Donaldson, well, he's certainly not the "Bringer of Rain" anymore.  More like the Bring-ing up on the DL type of player with his constant & on/off shoulder trouble. This isn't the same player who was once dubbed  baseball''s most feared hitter.  Not anymore. 

The Jays can only expect so much from their prospects and no more for now.  Patience is the word and rebuild is often associated with it.

But sickbeast, you're probably sounding the right chord on the Donaldson trade potential plus who knows who else?

If the  Jays can't get into some sort of a winning streak to get sway from that .500 monster and soon enough,  it's doubtful they'll even be in the running fora chance at the WC nor hanging on to third place, with the Tampa Bay Rays breathing down their necks in the  standings.  All hands need to be on deck, the starters need to get their groove back,  and the bullpen needs some relief for itself.  Oh yeah, the Osuna situation...


Inspite of all of this, I still hold out optimism for this season.
 Hernandez, Ureña, Alford, Smith Jr., Gaviglio, etc., etc.  I like what I see so far.
I don't want to be right about it to be honest.  I'm a big fan of the team.  My dad is a season's ticket holder and I have been to a lot of great games including the Bautista bat flip game.  But the wheels are very clearly coming off at this point.  I think the whole Osuna thing was the straw that broke the camel's back.

How many of Oakland's starting pitchers were injured during this series against the Jays?  And how many times did the Blue Jays capitalize on it?  Remember, this is Oakland we are talking about.

Also I think Jose Bautista and Kendrys Morales went to the same eye doctor.  Actually Morales has stopped wearing his glasses and he's actually hitting better.

The sad news about rebuilding is that Donaldson's trade value is greatly diminished.  Also it makes zero sense calling up Guerrero if the team is out of contention this season.  It would burn off a year of his ELC for no reason whatsoever.  If they were going to do this they should have done it weeks ago while simultaneously DFA'ing Morales.

What other pieces do the Jays have to trade for future prospects?  I can't think of many.  None of their aging players have value.  Maybe they could get something for Happ or Estrada.  But I kind of see Happ as someone they could sign for a long-ish term to build their rotation around.  He is reliable and quite good.  Estrada does not seem like himself.  Things could go either way with him.  Who else do they have?  Bullpen guys?  I guess we did get Teoscar Hernandez for Liriano last season but I think it would be a stretch to say management could fleece a couple more teams again.  We'll see.  It's easy to look back now but the best move would have been to trade Donaldson during the off season.

By the way, did you guys see this user comment on the Sportsnet website about Jose Bautista getting DFA'ed?

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Sometimes you have to flush more than once, but it goes down.


I hated the comment and I love Jose Bautista but I have to admit that what he said was hilarious.  And actually signing Bautista for nothing right now would be exactly the type of shrewd move that Atkins and Shapiro are known for.  But I really do believe that Bautista hates the current management with all his heart.

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The Jays needed everything to go right this season in order to make the playoffs, and, well, everything is not going right.  Tonight they fell below .500.  It's kind of sad.  To see them lose against lousy teams like Oakland and the Mets is pretty brutal.  Hopefully they can turn things around.  But it's looking more and more as though Josh Donaldson is going to be traded and they will start the rebuild.  The big issue for the team right now is having two of their starting pitchers on the DL.  It's going to be pitchers from Buffalo pitching all weekend long for them.

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Syndergaard would’ve been nice to see develop here.

I do think (but haven’t researched enough) that the AA era of Jays had a lack of developmental gameplan. Draftees either put up, or were shipped out. AA had a pretty good eye for id-ing talent, but assets were treated as largely static entities.

If the goal was to merely put butts in seats, then mission accomplished, but I’d like to see a sustained level of pressure from the prospect pipeline that allows for quicker turnarounds of lost seasons without having to buy free agents every year.
Aside from Syndergaard the Jays kept all their most important pieces.  Yes, the Dickey trade was stupid, both at the time and in retrospect.  I never liked it, personally.  But the fact remains that AA brought us multiple runs of playoff baseball that had been missing here for a very long time.  Not only that but he didn't completely bankrupt the system and shockingly the team has a shot at the wild card this season with a huge crop of young talent coming through the system.  They have a young talented position player for every single position on the diamond.  They are only lacking starting pitching prospects.  However if you told me a year or two ago that the Jays would be in their current situation I would have been shocked.  Shapiro and Atkins have done a marvelous job with respect to our prospects and our farm system.  I think people get too caught up in AA's trades without realizing that he actually left us in pretty decent shape.  Look at the trade for David Price.  He was a beast pitching for the Jays.  And Daniel Norris didn't really pan out well for Detroit.  Similar things can also be said for most of the other prospects AA shipped out.  Syndergaard is the lone exception.  Sure, some others are decent, but no one else at that level that I know of.

The only other moderately stupid trade I can think of was Yan Gomes.  I scratched my head when AA made that move.

Even the Tulo trade, with the albatross of the contract that is now hanging over the team, was a good trade.  Tulo and David Price brought us playoff baseball in 2015.  Never forget that.  And the price was worth it, no pun intended.

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It's pretty devastating for the team to lose a player as good as Osuna. I feel bad for his girlfriend also. Apparently he gave her significant injuries.

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This is career ending for Osuna. Once he is convicted he will never be able to enter the USA again.

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So Babcock's in Arizona on a family vacation, and then he's going to Denmark to likely get in some games at the World Championships.

Quite frankly it'd be more of a story if he DIDN'T visit Matthews and Andersen.
I disagree.  This story more or less confirms Kypryos's story about the "rift".
How so? We know nothing of what the meeting is about
Exactly.
Well then why exactly is Babcock flying all the way to Arizona then?  To talk?  About what?  If you guys are going to refute this then at least come up with a more plausible explanation.  The guys reporting on this have inside information.

You guys realize that this report is coming from Elliotte Friedman, probably the most respected hockey "news" guy out there, right?

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So Babcock's in Arizona on a family vacation, and then he's going to Denmark to likely get in some games at the World Championships.

Quite frankly it'd be more of a story if he DIDN'T visit Matthews and Andersen.
I disagree.  This story more or less confirms Kypryos's story about the "rift".

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Ok Blue Jays Talk / Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« on: April 29, 2018, 07:53:35 PM »
I'm kind of shocked to see Devon Travis get sent down.  He seemed to be turning a corner.  It seems that the organization values Lourdes Gurriel ahead of him.  We may see Devon Travis traded or used for depth.  It's too bad.  I really like him as a player.  He's an outstanding hitter when he's on.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
« on: April 28, 2018, 04:11:42 PM »
What's going on with Liljegren? Is he going to make the team next season?

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