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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« on: Today at 04:07:38 PM »

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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« on: Today at 03:01:59 PM »


Honestly, I'm just loving this season so much.

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NHL Transactions / Re: 2017-18 Minor Transactions Thread
« on: Today at 02:03:16 PM »

The Oilers have traded someone named Brandon Davidson to the Islanders for a 3rd round pick.

I am deleting Sportsnet Alerts from my phone.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Today at 01:40:53 PM »
My understanding of the Fleury deal is that Rutherford spoke with Fleury very early on and told him Murray had to be their guy going forward (cap considerations, etc). He asked Fleury where he wanted to go and Fleury picked Vegas; essentially, they didn't try to trade him and reserved him all season for the expansion draft pick.

This article hints at that, but I can't recall the original source I read this from. Why Vegas needs to feel particularly chummy about it, I am guessing is about adding an All Star to their franchise from day 1 helps with marketing and winning.

We may remember things pretty differently because the talk I remember all year was that the market for Fleury just didn't exist(in effect, there'd be no team that would have chosen him as their one goalie to protect). That contract was seen as pretty ugly all year and, let's be real, I don't think any of us went into this season thinking Marc-Andre Fleury: All-Star Goalie.

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But if he even somewhat prevents guys like Marchand from running amok without consequence that's worth something, IMO.

Thing is, I think we've got enough evidence that Marchand is Marchand no matter what defensemen are on the other team.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Today at 01:13:12 PM »
I suspect that was their original intention (take Reaves + a pick for something), and then found out about the Brassard situation and the opportunity to mess with a division rival and give a bit of a thank you note to the team that basically gifted them Fleury.

I mean, I'm not going to weigh in on what they may have been thinking but I don't understand the Fleury angle. If there was any market for him he'd have been traded.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Today at 12:42:48 PM »
Kelly McCrimmon is a huge fan of former Brandon Wheat King Ryan Reaves. So its not exactly $ for just the 4th in their eyes.

But they didn't have to link the deals. They could have traded for Reaves independently of any Brassard connection.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Today at 12:05:44 PM »
They'd already added Boyle as a 4th line C when the deal was made. Fehr was a cap dump that the Leafs tried to make useful.

Again, my recollection of it is that Fehr was seen as potentially useful but I'm happy enough to say I could be wrong there. Either way it's still not how I'd spend that sort of money but MLSE can if they like.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Today at 11:58:32 AM »
To be fair, the Leafs essentially did the same thing last season when they traded Corrado for Fehr, Oleksy, and a 4th.

I may be misremembering this but I thought the general perception of that deal when it was made was that the Leafs had legit use for Fehr as a 4th line C that got derailed when he broke his finger. Yeah Fehr was making too much money but I don't think the idea was he'd never see the ice.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 11:52:06 AM »
Brassard to the Penguins is going to make them very tough to beat. Wonder why we didn't take a big stab at him.  He is a real goud pro.
always liked his game.

Ok, so, just to be clear...the Leafs aren't going to get a good deal on players from Ottawa and even if they were it'd be a lot to spend on a guy who is maybe an upgrade on Bozak.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Today at 11:49:37 AM »
I really don't get this deal from Vegas' perspective. Something fishy about the whole thing and personally think the league should have revoked it.

The way they structured it in the end is perfectly legal. We can't have the league denying trades because they feel fishy or they just don't like them. That's not a can of worms the league needs to open.

Yeah, they reserve that for free agent signings.

Anyhoo, the issue here is how you price draft picks. We all agree that teams should be able to, if they want, effectively buy draft picks by being willing to take on bad contracts. To me the 2-3 million for a 4th seems insane and if I were owning a hockey team it's not how I'd spend my money but if Bill Foley wants to do that, well, it's his business. Vegas isn't going to be a cap team any time soon.

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Well, congrats to Scrivens and the guys. Sucks not being able to beat Germany but a Bronze is nothing to sneeze at given the circumstances. Represented the country well.

A lot of countries would of thrown in the towel after yesterdays humiliating loss. It's good to see the team bounce back for the bronze.

I guess? I suppose I didn't really see the loss as humiliating.

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Well, congrats to Scrivens and the guys. Sucks not being able to beat Germany but a Bronze is nothing to sneeze at given the circumstances. Represented the country well.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: Today at 05:00:39 AM »
Do people really  expect this? When has a playoff team (even one on the bubble, which the leafs aren't) ever traded a 30 goal scorer out?

Last year the St. Louis Blues, a playoff team, traded a top pairing defenseman out.

Okay, good example, it CAN happen. Still seems unlikely.

My recollection is the Blues were in a position where they were really averse to letting yet annother big name walk away for nothing in a year where they weren't as competitive as in other recent seasons. He was a rumoured trade all season long... Where this is the most competitive Leafs team in 15 years. Maybe someone makes an offer to blow Lou's socks off, but I doubt he'd be working the phones himself on JVR.

Well, regardless of whether I think he will I definitely think he should. Because if the choice comes down to trading JVR for the best return or keeping him for a potential playoff run then when the team makes that decision I think they should make that choice knowing what that best return would be. If it's something like Fabbro, a first and a conditional pick that's one decision, if it's a low first/high second and a 3rd then that's a different consideration.

But to your point I think most of us would acknowledge that trading JVR right now would be a unconventional and risky move and most NHL GM's tend to avoid unconventional moves and are risk-averse. That said I think a lot of us feel as though unconventional moves can still be good moves and the risk here is actually somewhat in a hockey sense( if the Leafs struggle to score in the playoffs the criticism from fans/media might be intense but JVR seems unlikely to make that big of a difference himself). Trading JVR instead of letting him walk seems kind of smart, to some of us, with a limited downside.

Also, I think you're again making an assumption that trading JVR would necessarily leave the team worse off competitively in an immediate sense and while that's an option the Leafs could take, trading JVR for futures, it's only one option. Another, as has been discussed, would be taking a good haul of prospects/picks for JVR and then flipping that haul to someone like the Rangers for McDonagh. Then you can put McDonagh on the blueline and try to replace JVR's production up front with a bigger role for Kapanen and maybe calling up Johnsson. Indirectly trading a top line LW for a top pairing D would again be unusual at this point in the season but it wouldn't necessarily hurt the team.

So do I expect JVR to be traded...no, not really. But I think they should all the same. Especially if the return is high and the potential for a move like that with the Rangers exists.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Brassard to Penguins
« on: Yesterday at 09:27:06 PM »
So Vegas:

- Are eating 3 million or so in salary
- Helping out potential finals opponent

And get

- Ryan Reaves
- A pick outside the top 100

So.....score?

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