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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Soshnikov traded to the Blues
« on: February 15, 2018, 05:56:06 PM »
Especially since it's just 3 months of Komarov.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: February 11, 2018, 01:55:19 PM »
I'm starting to think we keep him on a sweetheart deal...

Wouldn't that have been months ago? At this point, I don't think there's a deal from the Leafs with term.


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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: February 09, 2018, 02:17:36 PM »
Its a very very deep draft too. I would be very loathe to part with our first and would much rather try to pick up another.

Deep draft... and a number of teams that would be buyers -- looking for more scoring, perhaps interested in a JvR -- have a forwards on Pronman's top 50 prospects list. Getting one of Kyrou (STL), Bean (CAR), Necas (CAR), Tolvanen (NSH), Kaprizov (MIN), etc. into the system might help replace JvR and Marleau in a few years...

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: February 08, 2018, 12:22:44 PM »
Mirtle makes the case for selling in the Athletic:


I wonder: after bottoming out and getting Stamkos/Hedman, how many picks did TBL use over the next several years...? Are the Leafs keeping up so they too can a deep, cheap team in the future?

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Gardiner
HM Nylander (get that man his own line!)

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Leivo asks to traded, Sosh being showcased?
« on: February 05, 2018, 03:47:19 PM »
A depth centre and a right-shot defenceman are believed to be on the Leafs wish list.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-babcock-responds-josh-leivo-trade-request/

Because they're just a couple rentals away from the Cup. I mean getting out of the first round. Or at least making a series of it!

 ::)

Door 1 (assets that expire before the fall are crossed out):
Leivo for depth C (rental)
Soshnikov for a 4th round pick
JvR ('own rental'...)
Komarov ('own rental'...)
Bozak ('own rental'...)

My wishlist (no expiring assets!):
Leivo playing in middle 6
Soshnikov playing in bottom 6
JvR for a A/B prospect and a 1st/2nd round pick
Bozak for a 3rd/4th round pick
Komarov for a 4th/5th round pick

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: February 04, 2018, 11:26:23 PM »
If players think that sort of position means the team isn't going to make the smartest moves possible with their assets they should learn otherwise as quickly as they can.

Or..... they could not learn that and not have to this season, as it's pretty unlikely Lou's going to do the smart thing.

Of course, the team should. How many playoff-bound teams need scoring, have aging cores, and are desperate to do something this year? Enough partners there to shake out a good prospect and a pick for JvR, I'd think.

I think the thing they should be concerned with is losing momentum. If they don't make noise in the playoffs(a real possibility) and if they don't add Tavares(a strong probability) then they could be in a spot where in looking to come back next year with a team that's the equal of this year's one they're either pressured into bad moves in re-signing guys like JVR and Bozak or they're forced into a UFA market that very rarely yields good value deals.

Alternately, if you can trade them for the sorts of assets you can then use to trade for replacements I think the Leafs could easily weather the loss of those guys and come back stronger for it.

Yup. I agree with this. No one will be disappointed with a first round exit if they're trying to make a go of it without some vets they had last time -- but another first round loss, followed by the subtraction of roster players, could be a bit deflating. Also, fewer avenues to get better if you let the likes of JvR and Bozak just walk.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade Deadline
« on: February 04, 2018, 12:53:25 AM »
If players think that sort of position means the team isn't going to make the smartest moves possible with their assets they should learn otherwise as quickly as they can.

Or..... they could not learn that and not have to this season, as it's pretty unlikely Lou's going to do the smart thing.

Of course, the team should. How many playoff-bound teams need scoring, have aging cores, and are desperate to do something this year? Enough partners there to shake out a good prospect and a pick for JvR, I'd think.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The Defensive Logjam
« on: February 02, 2018, 12:45:55 PM »
And yeah, the long term upside of trading JVR for picks and prospects vs the short term cost is too high for me to ignore right now.

While Matthews and Andersen have accelerated the rebuild, and Marleau was a clear "let's see what we can do now" move, it's still the case that they're not winning a Cup this year -- some say having to go through Boston and Tampa means they've got the hardest road of any team in the league.

So... if they're not re-signing JvR, I'm not sure what the short term cost is. Stay the course, I say, and try to move some expiring UFAs to a team that thinks they've got a real shot -- NSH, STL,  maybe ANA or MIN -- for a top prospect that might turn into a JvR replacement.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The Defensive Logjam
« on: February 02, 2018, 11:42:43 AM »
What CtB said.

I'm still of the mind that the Leafs should be trying to give as many NHL-ready Marlies auditions as they can. I'm sure they have their own ways of evaluating internally, and there's a development cost to the yo-yoing that's (I guess) on to benefit my curiosity... but they should see who can do what in different game situations as they head into a pretty crucial off-season as far as surrounding the core talent goes.

So, yeah, Borgman down, Holl and Carrick rotate in and out. Ship Polak to STL. Heck, send JvR and Komarov with him and see what you've got in Johnsson and Soshnikov, bank the picks and prospects.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Tavares
« on: February 01, 2018, 02:00:26 PM »
WARNING. 'Head in the Clouds' comment coming...
I know it would be virtually impossible, but if the Leafs could add Tavares and either Karlsson or Doughty without giving up a big name player, I'd have to think they'd become instant Stanley cup favourites.
The 2 d-men there aren't due until summer of 2019, and let me know how you can fit all those cap hits into the equation. No doubt though, hell of team.

If they were somehow able to lure Tavares, I'd think they'd be freed up to move either Marner or Nylander for one of NSH or CAR's many top-pairing calibre defensemen... That's not quite Doughty or Karlsson, but it ain't far off.

If the Leafs were able to ice Matthews, Tavares and Kadri up the middle, I'm not really sure they'd need to add a first-pairing defenceman to be a serious threat to win. Doughty will be pushing 30 when he's available and will certainly want max term and probably at least $10 million/year. The way he plays I'm not sure he'll last that long, and that's a pretty big contract to hold. Karlsson is younger, but who knows how he holds up after his Achilles injury.

I don't see any reason to trade Marner or Nylander. The Leafs appear to be doing a credible job of drafting/developing defencemen, and I think we'll start to see more of them making the jump. I'd sign Tavares and take my chances.

I wasn't suggesting getting a Karlsson or Doughty.

I guess my thinking is that if the Leafs were to add Tavares to their group of forwards, they'd have a lot of cap dollars allocated to high-end talent up front... Two top-pick centers and three other excellent forwards in Marner, Nylander, and Kadri would be a lot -- you're definitely not re-signing Gardiner in that circumstance and the blueline looks weaker, so... trading one of Marner or Nylander for a Slavin, Faulk, Pesce, Ekholm, Lindholm, Manson doesn't seem crazy to me.

If they were to get Tavares.

Which they won't.   

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Man, the Islanders look AHL-awful tonight.  Perfect timing for the diaper dandies to show their stuff.

They only had 5 regulation wins in the their last 27 games coming into tonight. They might as well be the 13/14 Leafs with a better 2nd line.

But how many regulation wins since they optimized their line-up, busta?

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Tavares
« on: January 31, 2018, 10:26:16 PM »
WARNING. 'Head in the Clouds' comment coming...
I know it would be virtually impossible, but if the Leafs could add Tavares and either Karlsson or Doughty without giving up a big name player, I'd have to think they'd become instant Stanley cup favourites.
The 2 d-men there aren't due until summer of 2019, and let me know how you can fit all those cap hits into the equation. No doubt though, hell of team.

If they were somehow able to lure Tavares, I'd think they'd be freed up to move either Marner or Nylander for one of NSH or CAR's many top-pairing calibre defensemen... That's not quite Doughty or Karlsson, but it ain't far off.

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Dermott
Andersen

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Unreal.  "We need an offensive jolt on the road, but back at home I can go back to having no offense on that 2nd line thanks to Komarov"

It's just such a weird thing to be announcing a line-up change 8 days before you have to make it too. What's the point of saying that? What if we absolutely roll over Chicago and Dallas with these lines?

Easy.

Ego!

He knows outsiders have been skeptical about what he's doing, and he has gone out of his way to trash the advanced stats department and remind the media that he's "the decider." For a guy who's a winner and projects all sorts of confidence, he spends a good deal time saying how little he cares about what people are saying about him.

He announces the changes as temporary because he knows the haters think his lineup decisions have been garbage, and he's really keen to let them all know this change -- reflecting what a lot of folks have been saying he should've been doing for months now -- isn't an admission that any of them were right. Because that's what's important to Babcock.

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