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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
« on: Today at 01:59:34 PM »
Minor difference with Nash being from Ontario.
I know when choosing a team to play for that I would pick the rival of the team I grew up cheering who has a closed window on contention and likely will have 3-4 years of being prevented from truly being awful enough to have a quick rebuild because their goaltender (if healthy) is too good.
Total non-story but I do remember being personally insulted when Rick Nash resigned in CLB.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: September 23, 2018, 09:56:32 AM »
I don't recall Dubas ever saying that Marner and Matthews would be signed this off season??  There is only one contract that needed to be done and Dubas is going to do that  in the Leaf's best interest as he has the leverage no matter how many times you present $8 million as reasonable. There is no Big 3 with Nylander as the 3rd that's why he has little leverage. I'm following you as you are obviously the smartest guy here.
If they aren't most important why do their contracts matter so much?

Because, again, negotiating those deals was on Dubas' plate this off-season and regardless of what happened with Tavares that was always going to be true. You might have noticed that in the whole 25 page thread called "Contracts for the Big 3" that you posted in multiple
times.

  Why not include Gardiner in must do contracts then?

Because most people are assuming that the Leafs aren't likely to be able to negotiate an extension with Gardiner at a fair market value with UFA status looming. It's why, for instance, the Nylander negotiations have been almost constant daily news and nobody is reporting on any Gardiner negotiations.

But also, back to 8th grade level comprehension of the language, saying that the Leafs have three big extensions to work on does not mean they did not have other contracts to negotiate. They clearly did as they also signed Tavares. But, again, that was not a contract extension so when I said 3 contract extensions THAT WAS NOT A REFERENCE TO TAVARES.

"Big 3" was not a metaphor. I did not say "Big 3". I said BIG 3 EXTENSIONS.

Seriously LK, who is a smart person, did not have trouble with this basic use of language. Learn from him.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: September 23, 2018, 09:42:42 AM »
The Big 3 doesn't refer to the most important players??? That's some strange logic. If they aren't most important why do their contracts matter so much?  Why not include Gardiner in must do contracts then?  It's either Big 4 or doesn't include Nylander.
I think I just acknowledged  that ??? Just thought you would like to see what being nickled and dimed with corrections felt like. It's either the Big 4 or Nylander leaves the group.

That's not a correction. That's you being unable to understand simple words. Dubas negotiated had the chance to sign three important extensions this off-season. That has nothing to do with Tavares.

Again, the "big 3" in this situation refers to the Marner, Matthews and Nylander contracts. It is not a ranking of the most important players on the team.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: September 23, 2018, 09:34:07 AM »
I think I just acknowledged  that ??? Just thought you would like to see what being nickled and dimed with corrections felt like. It's either the Big 4 or Nylander leaves the group.
They were important to the 3 but I just wanted to correct that we now gave a big 4. And if we only want to use Big 3 the guy now not signed isn't one of them.

Extensions. The key word was extensions. 3 big extensions. Not players, extensions.

It's impossible for that to have been any clearer.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: September 23, 2018, 08:43:11 AM »
They were important to the 3 but I just wanted to correct that we now gave a big 4. And if we only want to use Big 3 the guy now not signed isn't one of them.
Big 4 and one of them is signed.

Yes, it's almost as if the words after "3" were significant in that sentence.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: September 22, 2018, 11:26:28 PM »
Big 4 and one of them is signed.

Spicy hot take time: While I don't think it's a disaster or anything and I'm sure he may very eventually perform admirably in this regard, Dubas not being able to sign any of the 3 big extensions this summer isn't great.

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Here is your new 3 year contract Semyon. That isn't my last name?? It is now!!!

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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
« on: September 20, 2018, 06:26:34 AM »
I wonder if Bergevin actually watches hockey? AZ tried Domi at center last year and It was an epic fail, now Montreal intends to play him as number 1 center?? Then again they just traded for a jr winger they intend to play at center as well.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 15, 2018, 08:44:26 AM »
No one can force anyone to sign , that's not how leverage works. Dubas has the leverage on length and amount of contract. 
Shouldn't a loyal fan put the team before the player?  Every dollar overspent on Nylander is one not available for others. I hope Dubas sticks to his guns while he has all of the leverage.

Welcome to Toronto, home of the most loyal fan base around!

If Dubas had all the leverage, Nylander would already have signed.

Interesting idea that being a fan means supporting the guy in the suit over the guy in the jersey. Personally im a hockey obsessive who knows the cap situation, but I don’t tune in for the math.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 14, 2018, 09:22:48 PM »
Shouldn't a loyal fan put the team before the player?  Every dollar overspent on Nylander is one not available for others. I hope Dubas sticks to his guns while he has all of the leverage.

Welcome to Toronto, home of the most loyal fan base around!

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General NHL News & Views / Re: Official Ottawa Senators Thread
« on: September 13, 2018, 04:37:51 PM »
Not sure if anyone remembers him but Norris's Father is from Newfoundland and scored a World Jr Gold winner the year before the more famous John Slaney goal. I played soccer with him in my teens.
 

Josh Norris is Brady Tkachuk's BFF.

San Jose doesn't currently have a first for 2019, so this is... something conditional.

Melker Karlsson better be one of the players coming to Ottawa...

Disappoint.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:59:41 PM »
No agreement on leverage. The Leafs can play this season without signing Nylander. Nylander will make little or nothing this season unless he signs with the Leafs. It's obvious to everyone on earth but you that the Leafs have the leverage in this case. All other players in the NHL are irrelevant in this discussion.
It just so happens that sometimes teams agree on their worth and pay them, sometimes teams are wrong and pay them too much, and sometimes teams don't agree and won't pay too much as the Leafs are currently holding strong on.

Now that you've agreed with me about leverage, we can get back to the heart of the matter. All this really is is a dispute about how much Nylander is worth in the place of the established NHL salary structure.

As I said to Zee, I think Nylander is in a pretty reasonable place. If you take the 8 million as a negotiating position rather than some sort of hard and fast indisputable truth about what he wants then I think he's very much in a reasonable place.

Which of course brings me back to where I was a while ago. I really don't think the two sides are that far apart and because signing Nylander is ultimately beneficial to both parties, I remain very confident that a deal will get done before too long.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:51:20 PM »
No they still don't have any leverage, if the team isn't willing to meet their demand there is little they can do about it. It just so happens that sometimes teams agree on their worth and pay them, sometimes teams are wrong and pay them too much, and sometimes teams don't agree and won't pay too much as the Leafs are currently holding strong on. I support Dubas
Kucherov, being Russian , has a real trump card. Actually he has two as he is his team's best forward. And he signed a deal he has earned
I suspect if Nylander was willing to sign the one he gas earned it would already be done. 

Oh I see. So when you said over and over and over and over that RFA's had no leverage what you actually meant was that their leverage is actually dependant on things like their other options, how good they are, how amenable their teams would be to losing them and things of that nature.

Huh, I guess we did agree after all.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:43:57 PM »
Kucherov, being Russian , has a real trump card. Actually he has two as he is his team's best forward. And he signed a deal he has earned
I suspect if Nylander was willing to sign the one he gas earned it would already be done.  If reports are correct Nylander is asking for a contract far above what he has earned. No idea how you could think they are the same??
Or Kucherov is just better than Stamkos as he leads the team for the last couple seasons and gets a million more per year for being the better and more consistent player.

Sure but according to you Kucherov had no leverage whereas Stamkos and Hedman had lots.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 12, 2018, 10:33:18 PM »
Or Kucherov is just better than Stamkos as he leads the team for the last couple seasons and gets a million more per year for being the better and more consistent player
Now compound that difference with Marner being better than Nylander and Matthews being better than Marner and all of a sudden that Cap difference is looking rather large.

Except as we've already noted, deals aren't always a perfect reflection of each other. If Nylander gets 7 instead of 6 it's no guarantee that Marner or Matthews are also going to want a similar adjustment. Tampa was able to talk Stamkos and Hedman into a discount they weren't able to with Kucherov. Not everyone works from the same playbook.

So, again, it's not a huge difference but no matter what Nylander gets the simple truth is that the Leafs are also going to have tough negotiations with Marner and Matthews. Getting them all signed is going to be tricky because they have a lot of leverage. The Leafs can't just go out and replace them.

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