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Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.
I think it should also be noted that it appears that he had some sort of mental issue along the lines of autism or some such. Just hearing about how he didn't make eye contact, would blurt out things randomly at times and people thinking he was generally "weird" makes me think that there was some issue he had at birth and maybe the not being able to get a date is more of a symptom of that. It doesn't absolve the other aspects at all but I think it colours things a bit.

While I know that you are not attempting to, you may want to consider not using an actual diagnosis such as autism and link it to this tragedy. Im sure those with the health problem, or those that have family that are autistic would say that's a bit of a stretch.
Absolutely agree.
If you're vague and say mental health it gets written off as something that doesnt seem that important or construed as a different mental health issue like depression. If you say something more you're deemed as diagnosing. My point was he seems to have an issue he was born with that could have greater influence, on his actions than is being reported, along with everything else currently being discussed (incel etc.).

*Edit: This article articulates a lot of things I was thinking about but couldn't verbalize accurately:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/04/26/were-not-a-violent-group-of-people-ex-classmate-of-alek-minassian-speaks-out-about-autism.html

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I know you've all been waiting for my opinion, so wait no more:

1.  You play your best players when the game is on the line.  They're the ones that have earned it all year, and you count on them to get up.  DeBrusk is one of Boston's best forwards, he's a second line player that plays those minutes.  The Leafs also have players his age, and younger, that played a lot more the DeBrusk did/does.

2.  I think the Kadri suspension is where this series got decided.  That suspension really hurt the lineup.

3.  The Leafs counted on Andersen far too many times this year, and their luck ran out there.

4.  Gardiner had a bad game, oh well.  He's a 50 point defenseman this year, and one of the key guys that got this team into the playoffs.  If the Leafs could replay that period, I'm pretty sure they'd play Gardiner again in those minutes.

5.  I don't consider last night's game to be indicative of anything in particular, I'm more trying to look at the series overall.  The 7 game series did show me that Matthews and Nylander have a fair bit of work to do to earn $10-$11 mil and $6-$7 mil on my Leafs team.  Marner and Marleau played well. The newer kids played pretty darn well, all things considered.

6.  Young team, didn't get it done, not really surprised.  I'm looking forward to an interesting off-season.

It pains me to say it but I agree with everything that Frank wrote.

To me the series also reinforced the importance of winning draws, or at very least prevent clean opposition wins. Maybe the advanced stats say it doesn't matter, but to these eyes it sure seemed like we spent a lot of extra time in our zone and a lot less in theirs purely by our inability to start with control of the puck. I can think of 3 or 4 Boston goals that came immediately off a won draw, and far too many occasions where we had to withstand sustained pressure in our own zone after a faceoff. We paid after a number of our icings...the Bruins, rarely.

I think the advanced stats say it doesn't matter at centre ice. But it definitely matters in the defensive zone. And I also wonder if their assumption is a 45%-55% range for each team. It felt like we were getting schooled all night long in faceoffs.

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So obviously I am disappointed in the result, but I'm not surprised.

My perspective:
The Leafs never really got firing on all cylinders, key depth vets were largely non-factors against lesser competition (Bozak-JvR), and our top offensive contributors were stymied by world class Olympic-medalling veterans. Oh yeah, our top matchup centre stupidly removed himself from the series for 3 games.

AND we still took the second best team in the East (and possibly the whole league in the second half of the season) that was really clicking to the brink and it took one period of brain farting and youthful despair to down us.

So yes, we lost, deservedly so, but we played like ass and still almost eliminated one of the best.

Yeah but do we really have to play like ass? I mean, throughout the season people were saying the Leafs were outscoring their problems, and once scoring dried up Freddy got going. We relied a lot on things that don't seem replicable to me. The team doesn't play a tight team game and got outshot and outchanced all season long and it was exposed in this series.

I get that we didn't have Kadri, and maybe to some degree that sealed it, but man... there's quite a bit of work to be done to go from where we are to the kind of team we want to be.

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I don't even know why anyone would waste their breath discussing our forwards. The forwards clearly are not our problem. Defense, defense, defense, DEFENSE. How do we get better? Who do we sign/trade for?

The forwards, in some cases, could've played much better team defense. But I think that's addition by subtraction of Bozak, JVR & Komarov.

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It stings, but our core is still super green and will learn from this.

The next time they find themselves in this situation they'll be better versions of themselves and will have experience to draw from.

I am pretty excited to see what the team can do in the summer.

I hope Dubas is the GM.

I hope they let the UFA's walk.

I hope for at least one significant acquisition at both forward and defence.
It def will be interesting for sure to see what happens with the Leafs and what they do about Lou. I don't look at this as a set back.. It's a learning curve. End if the day only 1 team wins the cup. We just aren't good enough yet and some of that comes from experience and others from personnel. JVR despite his 3 pp goals is not a good 5v5 player. Bozak was actually pretty decent but again not very strong defensively. I'd like to think we've seen the last of Martin, Leo, JVR, Polak and Bozak in a Leafs uniform. Let's see who steps up from the Marlies like Dermott did this year. Kaps and Johnsson should have bigger roles next year.

Yeah it's time let go of the old hold overs. I know JVR was a PP specialist and had a ton of goals but we need more all around players who are hard to play against and really battle (but also have skill obviously). I thought Johnsson showed a lot of tenaciousness. I'm hoping Grundstrom can make an impact next year and maybe we can see what Liljegren can do.

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A few thoughts on game...

1)Yes it wasn't Gardiners best game. But cut him some slack, we would have never got to game 7 without him. He was the best dman on both teams in game 6.  He is the one guys who can separate guys from from puck and skate puck out of danger areas consistently. He is constantly making difficult plays look easy (and sometimes easy plays look difficult but not nearly as often ).

2)Nylander on at least 3 plays could have easily beaten Chara cleanly to a puck but choose to pull a Kessel and lay up.  I would like to see a little more fire from a guy playing for his next contract.

3)  the Bruins play far better team defence, not just the 6 guys on the back end, but the forwards in their end are far more involved in winning puck battles then the Leafs.  By virtue of the size and toughness advantage the Bruins have, I feel gave them a big advantage on defending and making it hard for the Leafs to sustain an attack.
And they really work hard on the forecheck and play a really tight neutral zone game. The Leafs have no answer for that unless they do the same and they really didn't. They gave up the line so easily, they hardly seemed to forecheck and the Bruins were able to cleanly exit the zone and carry the puck over the blue line as a result and create sustained pressure over and over. This team needs a bit of that.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What to do with JVR
« on: April 25, 2018, 11:17:36 PM »
Just saying in the blame queue he's about 2/3ds of the way back.

My bringing the thread back to life has nothing to do with blame for the outcome of the Boston series. Rather, has to do with the inability of management to apprehend the situation their team was in, which has been clear to a lot of us for months now.
I think anyone controlling the team based on analytics and underlying numbers would've been very worried about the Leafs' lack of possession and getting consistently outshot as signs of a quick playoff exit.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: What to do with JVR
« on: April 25, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »
Yeah, I mean JVR is just terrible 5v5. You don't pay a crap ton for a one dimensional PP specialist.

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I get a sinking feeling that Gardiner is done as a Leaf. He's too risk/reward. But man, we are so thin on D if we're getting rid of Polak and who knows about Zaitsev. This team is lacking so badly on D.

And beyond that I feel like the Leafs were outplayed pretty soundly this game. They were badly outshot and I think were lucky to be up in that game. Boston is just ahead of us in their window.

And I mean, Freddy still has to have that De Brusk goal (and maybe one or two more). He's bad in game 7s if 3 games is something to go on.

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No matter what happens here on in, we're giving them all they can handle.

They lean heavily on their top line and top pair, minutes-wise. If we can hold them off and attack with depth, their tiredness will catch up with them.
So we can Floyd Mayweather them to death?

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That was one of the best goals I've ever seen.

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Man that's some sustained pressure by Boston right there. What a crazy game.

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Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.
I think it should also be noted that it appears that he had some sort of mental issue along the lines of autism or some such. Just hearing about how he didn't make eye contact, would blurt out things randomly at times and people thinking he was generally "weird" makes me think that there was some issue he had at birth and maybe the not being able to get a date is more of a symptom of that. It doesn't absolve the other aspects at all but I think it colours things a bit.

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Leafs have Hainsey who has a cup, outside of that the only players on the Leafs who have won a playoff round are Marleau, Plekanec and Polak.

JVR has been to a stanley Cup final with Philiadelphia. It was awhile ago.

Last night was Andersen's 40th playoff game, and he took Anaheim all the way to Game 7 of the Conference Finals one year (the only team to take Chicago to 7 games in those playoffs).

According to ESPN, Boston's roster had 917 playoff games total while the Leafs roster had 663 games. However, that's counting Brian Gionta's 112 games and he hasn't and won't play in this series. So the edge isn't massive. A lot of the guys from Boston's Cup runs are gone (except of course much of the core), and Boston is also relying on a lot of young/inexperienced players.

Not that they're playing much, but we can add Martin and Moore to the list of players who have been on teams that have won an NHL playoff series.

I think the main difference, though, is that a lot of the Boston players with experience are also pretty valuable players. Krejci, Marchand, Bergeron, Backes, Nash, Rask, Krug and Chara beats JVR, Marleau, Plekanec, Andersen, Hainsey and Polak pretty soundly, imo.

Krejci, Backes, Nash, Krug have done barely anything this whole series. The B's whole series literally (actually figuratively, but who cares!) rests on the top line. You shut them down and they shouldn't be able to match Toronto's depth on paper, regardless of experience.

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