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General NHL News & Views / Re: Official Ottawa Senators Thread
« on: Yesterday at 03:11:51 PM »
Did they definitively figure out who it was, herman?

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Marincin does not appear to have confidence issues. He just shook off a forecheck with a spin-o-rama self pass off the boards and slung an easy breakout pass between the mesmerized forwards.

You love your underdogs, herman. 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 19, 2018, 07:26:26 PM »
Maybe he can try to make that argument, but there are guys drafted before he was that can hardly crack a roster yet, like Dal Colle and Fleury, so I'm not sure draft position at his age has much negotiation value.

I didn't say Ritchie's draft position has negotiation value. I said his draft position might contribute to Ritchie thinking he's better than he's shown so far. Which, again, is one of the reasons negotiations might have taken this long.

I appreciate that you've taken it upon yourself to constantly defend any and every position NHL management might take but "Yeah, I can see why negotiations have dragged out on this one" is not a pro-player position.

I love you, Nik, I really enjoy your posts, but I don't defend any and every NHL management position, just like I wouldn't ever say that you take a pro-player position any and every time.

I didn't accuse you of saying that Ritchie's hypothetical stance of using draft position in a negotiation would be of value.  I was simply arguing that IF he did, it probably wouldn't be of much value.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 19, 2018, 06:44:09 PM »
I would think that many bottom-6 players could make that argument...with added ice-time, maybe some PP-time, maybe even the C position, they'd be able to produce more, and therefore get paid more.

As we've gone back and forth on though the issue isn't the extent to which an argument is verifiable fact, just how much it's believed by the person making it.

I think Ritchie is in a particular position, as a young player with good draft pedigree who scored well in junior and the AHL, to think he's a better scorer than his time in the NHL has shown. A lot of 3rd/4th liners, older ones, are probably more settled into their roles and just happy to be making NHL money.

I think that's why someone like Ritchie might take a while to negotiate. If the Ducks expect bigger things out of Ritchie than he's given them, they might be inclined to try and lock Ritchie in for as long as they can at 3rd/4th line money. Ritchie, if he expects big things from himself, probably wouldn't want that. Hence...no contract.

Maybe he can try to make that argument, but there are guys drafted before he was that can hardly crack a roster yet, like Dal Colle and Fleury, so I'm not sure draft position at his age has much negotiation value.

I don't doubt that the Ducks are trying to squeeze out as much dollars here, just like I don't doubt the Ritchie is trying to squeeze out as much as he can, but I've yet to be convinced by you here that he's being held back...just like I'm not convinced about Nylander not having an opportunity to prove his value, as he has had the opportunity to play with one of the best players in the whole world the past 2 years. 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 19, 2018, 05:22:28 PM »
At least with a guy like Nylander (or in the past Kucherov or Gaudreau) you can understand why the negotiations might be difficult. What the heck are guys like Nick Ritchie or Miles "who?" Wood still doing unsigned at this point?

I actually sort of understand it in Ritchie's case. Because he's a former high draft pick and he's been somewhat productive in a very limited role he probably thinks that Anaheim is sort of trying a version of what I'm talking about with the Leafs and Nylander re: the difference in position wage scales. Anaheim probably wants to pay him like he's a 3rd/4th liner putting up less than 30 points, Ritchie probably sees that as a product of how they're using him instead of his inherent quality.

I would think that many bottom-6 players could make that argument...with added ice-time, maybe some PP-time, maybe even the C position, they'd be able to produce more, and therefore get paid more.

And defensemen, if they got the opportunity to play top-pairing minutes, they'd get more points, and therefore a better contract.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 18, 2018, 06:33:16 PM »
Well I think the point Sid and Tim were making (and others have made it here as well) is that missing training camp could seriously hurt Nylander's performance during the season... like it did with Gaudreau. I just wanted to point out that other players have missed training camp in the past too and it didn't effect them. So there is no connection there.

It's not like Nylander isn't out there somewhere skating everyday right now too just like the guys in camp are.

I feel like I might be a target of this statement, but I'd like to point out that I was suggesting that this is not what would have been seen as an ideal scenario when negotiations began.  The team is dealing now with a less than ideal scenario, assuming of course that Dubas' offer isn't decreasing in $ commitment as every day of training camp goes by.  We can't legitimately quantify what training camp means to Nylander's performance this season, but at worst I can only assume that attending training camp wouldn't adversely affect Nylander's performance. 

I think what might be interesting to discuss is if the season starts without Nylander, how does the win/loss result affect the negotiation?

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Tavares line and Kadri line and Rielly and Dermott pairs + Marlies

That's a lot of players....

Its the standard 23-player roster. Three are in the pressbox.

Really?  I honestly don't understand why they're pressboxing guys in a pre-season game?

What's the point?

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Is there a way to watch this pre-season game?

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Tavares line and Kadri line and Rielly and Dermott pairs + Marlies

That's a lot of players....

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 17, 2018, 06:04:42 PM »
Thank you Daniel Nurse for signing a market established going rate contract.

Nylander will hopefully do the same in the 6 x 6 area.

How did you calculate what Darnell (not Daniel) Nurse's market value is?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 15, 2018, 07:47:48 AM »
I think you can support both management and players...it's not like anyone is forcing fans to take a side here.

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Rick Nash
« on: September 14, 2018, 05:45:30 PM »
save the dough and target defencemen of the same caliber

I think they'd look at that as a deadline target.

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Rick Nash
« on: September 14, 2018, 05:32:36 PM »
I'm in on a 1 year deal...2 or 3 I'm out.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 14, 2018, 03:34:14 PM »
It happens every year to a few players out of 700 or so, sure, but we're not really discussing the frequency at which it occurs, so I don't know why you've brought that up.  And "doesn't seem" and "all that negatively" isn't convincing me of anything.

Hey, if you have anything, like a single thing, to support your assertion about the importance of camp beyond "teams think it's important so it must be" which is literally the definition of argumentum ad populum then I am all ears.

In all 4 major professional sports in North America, every single team has a training camp.  Every one.  You don't think with a little time I couldn't find some quotes of coaches/teams/players talking about missing camp put someone a little behind the curve?

You sure this is the right hill?

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