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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Today at 03:40:19 PM »
I am not stressed at all... we're a pretty good team. He can wait and sign at number that works for the team.

It's just fascinating to watch it play out on your own team.  I know there's a handful of guys every year that go through this but I never really cared before cause it wasn't the Leafs.  Leafs aren't under any pressure to get this done since the team is still good without Nylander, so Dubas holds the hammer here.  Will be interesting to see how this gets resolved.

The last time I remember a player of significance holding out was Kaberle. I believe that was 2000 or 2001

Nylander isn't holding out, he doesn't have a contract.

And Kadri didn't sign his bridge deal until mid-September.

Kadri signed the day before training camp began with the Leafs so he missed nothing.  We're well beyond that point with Nylander.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Today at 03:26:39 PM »
I am not stressed at all... we're a pretty good team. He can wait and sign at number that works for the team.

It's just fascinating to watch it play out on your own team.  I know there's a handful of guys every year that go through this but I never really cared before cause it wasn't the Leafs.  Leafs aren't under any pressure to get this done since the team is still good without Nylander, so Dubas holds the hammer here.  Will be interesting to see how this gets resolved.

The last time I remember a player of significance holding out was Kaberle. I believe that was 2000 or 2001

You mean from the Leafs.  Recently there's been other guys who've signed very late.  Trouba comes to mind as he signed in November I think.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Today at 02:37:52 PM »
I am not stressed at all... we're a pretty good team. He can wait and sign at number that works for the team.

It's just fascinating to watch it play out on your own team.  I know there's a handful of guys every year that go through this but I never really cared before cause it wasn't the Leafs.  Leafs aren't under any pressure to get this done since the team is still good without Nylander, so Dubas holds the hammer here.  Will be interesting to see how this gets resolved.

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Damn, I started this thead *before* we signed Tavares.   ;D  Bumping now as we're only 10 days away.  Don't want to read too much into early season games, but the last 5 games of the first chunk should show us how the Leafs stack up against good teams.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Today at 02:12:28 PM »
I don't think I've ever searched on Twitter more often for a term.  "Nylander" and "Nylander contract".  That's gotta be breaking records in the GTA on Twitter.

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The Leafs whole preseason is against some very weak teams. Would like to see them ramp it up against some better teams.

OTT/BUF/MTL/DET the bottom teams in the East last year.

That's ok, we have to beat up on these teams in the regular season too.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: Today at 01:33:03 PM »
Although the "we can and we will" got allot of play, Dubas also said something to the effect of it'll take time and may not happen as quickly as fans would like.

Yes, he stated a few times that "we will be patient"
I hope the Marner contract gets signed by the end of this season. He's liable to score 100 pts.

I think Dubas wants to get both done in season (Marner and Matthews) but has to get this Nylander crap off his plate first.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Today at 10:02:45 AM »
Hypothetical Monday:

So what if Nylander's camp won't budge off his ask (and say it's in the $8M range) and he asks for a trade?  What would you do?

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Your PP units to start the season:


Nylander of course replaces either Ennis or Leivo when signed on the 2nd unit.



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I've been waiting to see Subban play.   Hope the kid does well.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Yesterday at 09:01:54 PM »
Four  1st round picks for Nylander.  I would take that in a heart beat.
Depends what team. If it's a contender they would be low first round picks and you won't get another Nylander, if it's a marginal playoff or bottom feeder than absolutely I'd want the picks for the lottery opportunity alone

Bottom feeders probably wouldn't do it for fear it could end up like Ottawa this year. However 1st pick for 4 years even from a contender could change in one or two years where they would end up in the middle.

I think the reason that they don't want to over pay for him because of his tendency to take the odd game off.  Give him 6 years and he might want to take even more.  I,m a bit iffy with him long term.
You can do alot with four first round picks though. I mean Leafs traded 2 firsts and a 2nd for Kessel so say they took team X's offer and got 4 firsts. Leafs could package their own first this season (low first) and the other teams first in 2020 for example and get a good player back. Leafs would still have a first this year (from team X) and their own first next year in that scenario and still have 2 more firsts from the Nylander offer sheet.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Yesterday at 08:04:07 PM »
Four  1st round picks for Nylander.  I would take that in a heart beat.
Depends what team. If it's a contender they would be low first round picks and you won't get another Nylander, if it's a marginal playoff or bottom feeder than absolutely I'd want the picks for the lottery opportunity alone

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Yesterday at 07:16:50 PM »
That's not quite the entire picture. They would take the total value of the contract over the term, or 5 years whichever is smaller.

Example if a team offered Nylander 7 years x $8M (presumably something Nylander would take) that is total value of $56M, however they would divide that number by 5 to determine compensation.

$56M/5 = 11.2 and would mean the team gives up 4 first round picks.

Holy crap. Did not know that.  Thanks Zee.
I just learned this recently too. So if his agent insisted on a 7 year deal from another team (in the imagination land where offer sheets actually happened) it would have to be 7.2 for 7 years to stay less than 4 first round picks. The Leafs would match that though as 7.2M is workable in the cap.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Yesterday at 05:54:28 PM »
That's not quite the entire picture. They would take the total value of the contract over the term, or 5 years whichever is smaller.

Example if a team offered Nylander 7 years x $8M (presumably something Nylander would take) that is total value of $56M, however they would divide that number by 5 to determine compensation.

$56M/5 = 11.2 and would mean the team gives up 4 first round picks.


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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: Yesterday at 02:51:18 PM »
Why don't RFA's use offer sheets? I'm sure the agent could get it out there that his client would be willing to sign an offer sheet with another team if one is presented. If someone offers $8M Nylander gets what he wanted even if the Leafs match.

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