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Title: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2018, 09:12:41 AM
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39-21-7, 85 points | 20-34-11, 51 points

Projected Lines

Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Hyman-Nylander-Brown
JVR-Bozak-Kapanen
Moore-Plekanec-Komarov

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Carrick

Andersen
             
Girgensons-O'Reilly-Reinhart
Wilson-Larsson-Pominville
Griffith-Pouliot-Baptiste
Nolan-Josefson-Okposo

Scandella-Ristolainen
Antipin-Nelson
Gorges-Beaulieu

Johnson

Scratches

Roman Polak
Josh Leivo
Matt Martin
      
Evan Rodrigues
Justin Falk
Kyle Criscuolo
Brendan Guhle

Game Notes

TOR
•Andersen (32-17-5, 2.74 GAA, .920 Sv%) will likely start for the Leafs
•The Leafs made some changes to the line-up at practice yesterday, most notably putting Nylander back at centre alongside Hyman and Brown
•It looks like Babcock will also continue his theme of only playing Carrick against bad teams
•Moore lined up as a winger on the 4th line instead of Leivo or even Martin. Babcock was asked about that after practice and said he hadn't decided who will play there yet

BUF
•Chad Johnson (6-10-3, 3.18 GAA, .896 Sv%) will start for the Sabres
•The man, the myth, the legend Seth Griffith was recalled by the Sabres last week
•I found it surprising to see Kyle Okposo listed on the 4th line. He has just 1 point in his past 4 games but prior to that he had 17 points in 18 games
•The Sabres are comfortably at the bottom of the Eastern conference standings right now, but in February they did have 2 wins against both Tampa Bay and Boston
Injuries

•Nathan Horton - Back - Out indefinitely
•Joffrey Lupul - Actually Injured - Out indefinitely
•Auston Matthews - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
      
•Marco Scandella - Upper Body - Questionable Monday
•Evan Rodrigues - Upper Body - Doubtful Monday
•Jack Eichel - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
•Jake McCabe - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
•Zach Bogosian - Hip - Injured Reserve

Stream Options

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLstreams
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:25:52 AM

Some in Buffalo might read this as a roast.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 10:01:51 AM
I appreciate your thoroughness CTB, but I don't really think it's necessary to list injuries to BUF's GM.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 10:09:49 AM
•The man, the myth, the legend Seth Griffith was recalled by the Sabres last week

I will be only a little sour if he scores on us.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2018, 10:51:31 AM
•The man, the myth, the legend Seth Griffith was recalled by the Sabres last week

I will be only a little sour if he scores on us.

Looks like that might not be a problem:


Imagine not being able to crack THAT line-up...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Kaberle15 on March 05, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
I am expecting nothing but a strong game for the Leafs and Andersen tonight.

Go Leafs Go!!! Crush that AHL team tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 11:11:06 AM
Looks like that might not be a problem:


Imagine not being able to crack THAT line-up...

Now I am actually sour.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2018, 11:26:30 AM

Should be Leivo but I mean considering we've been blessed with so much no-Martin time I'll accept a game or two here.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 11:27:38 AM

Lemons. Just chucking lemons right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 11:44:45 AM
Martin with a hatty tonight. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 11:59:25 AM
Martin with a hatty tonight.

So boarding* major, fighting major, game misconduct from trying to do too much?

* Martin is one of the better check finishers about taking care the other player doesn't get killed.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on March 05, 2018, 12:15:49 PM
Babcock reverting back to midseason form.

He actually seems to think that getting older and slower is the way to win in this league.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
Babcock reverting back to midseason form.

He actually seems to think that getting older and slower is the way to win in this league.

In his defence, Martin might be a better skater than Leivo. The top-9 is about as good as it can be right now so that's a positive.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2018, 12:37:23 PM
Criscuolo sounds like an italian dessert.   I'll take the criscuolo and nocciola gelato thanks.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Highlander on March 05, 2018, 12:50:05 PM
I'd like to see Marner on with Willie.
good article on Zaitzev in the Athletic today.  Shows lots of examples of how lost Z is  out there.  They gotta teach him to stick to his man like glue instead of turning his back on them. I can't believe how inept he has become.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 12:54:45 PM
Babcock reverting back to midseason form.

He actually seems to think that getting older and slower is the way to win in this league.

For the most part, I do agree with you. I think Babcock would characterize it as smarter and stronger, rather than older and slower. As always, it is really simple to point out what's not working, and much harder to figure out how to make it work better.

Leivo hasn't really been good in his stints during Martin's exile. However, that is probably more to do with the mid-season form opponents are in and the lack of playing time Leivo has had, per Anthony Petrielli's latest Notebook entry (https://www.mapleleafshotstove.com/2018/03/05/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-atlantic-division-seeding-shows-playoff-bracket-alignment-must-change/) on MLHS. I wish Babcock played him more early on and last season, but there are some things he does that puts him into a very deep hole with the coach.

Moore's major problem in Babcock's eyes are his defensive zone turnovers; this applies to Leivo as well. They don't offer enough on the other end of the ice to offset too many DZ turnovers the way Nylander and Marner do. If Plekanec can get some more practices on the Leafs system under his belt, he should start making a difference. Right now, on a road trip, he's left spending a lot of his game processing on trying to figure out where he should be on the ice.

Edit: Here's the coach on that exact thing Plekanec is going through

Circling back to playing certain vets over the kids, I do firmly believe the sub-optimal personnel decisions these past couple of seasons have an eye toward either sheltering, bolstering, or teaching the young core players depending on their developmental need -- even occasionally holding them back (artificially) to see if they smash through anyway (Kapanen!). What looks to be at cross purposes to winning tonight is still, at least in my opinion, pointed towards winning for 5-10 years.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on March 05, 2018, 01:18:02 PM
Babcock reverting back to midseason form.

He actually seems to think that getting older and slower is the way to win in this league.

In his defence, Martin might be a better skater than Leivo. The top-9 is about as good as it can be right now so that's a positive.

He may be a better skater but I don't for a second think he's more useful than Leivo or Moore in the offensive or defensive end.

Regarding the top 9, I don't think it makes much sense to have Brown and Hymen on the same line. Babcock tried that earlier in the season with Matthews at center and the line got destroyed by the other team, since the opposing side could basically ignore Hymen and Brown and focus on Matthews. To me, putting Kapenen with Nylander makes a lot more sense. Kapenen's speed is wasted with Bozak and JVR.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 01:19:53 PM
Or, you know, Plekanec may simply be on the decline.  But yes, Babs is right that he's still adjusting.  Whether things will "work out perfect" is an open question.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2018, 01:35:37 PM
To me, putting Kapenen with Nylander makes a lot more sense. Kapenen's speed is wasted with Bozak and JVR.

Wasted seems harsh. If anything I think the idea is to make sure the speed is a little more spread out. And when Brown is with those two the common complaint is that the line doesn't have a primary puck carrier, which is something that Kapanen will be able to provide them. That's a line that I'd actually like to see get a solid audition, because it's something that might be able to stick once Matthews returns. Then the 4th line could go Komarov-Plekanec-Brown. Everything else is basically set in stone from prior to Auston going down.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 01:45:33 PM
To me, putting Kapenen with Nylander makes a lot more sense. Kapenen's speed is wasted with Bozak and JVR.

Wasted seems harsh. If anything I think the idea is to make sure the speed is a little more spread out. And when Brown is with those two the common complaint is that the line doesn't have a primary puck carrier, which is something that Kapanen will be able to provide them. That's a line that I'd actually like to see get a solid audition, because it's something that might be able to stick once Matthews returns. Then the 4th line could go Komarov-Plekanec-Brown. Everything else is basically set in stone from prior to Auston going down.

Yeah, if anything, it could help kick JvR-Bozak back into gear with more space (caused by Kapanen's speed) to do damage. Brown was good there for a time (he got them pucks and out of DZ jams sometimes), but they really need a carrier through the NZ to help them shine.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
If the Leafs earn a point tonight, they'll officially eliminate the possibility of the Sabres passing them.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: disco on March 05, 2018, 01:59:58 PM
scotiabankgamedayeahhboyyythxctb

Expecting a solid effort, out of the wind and rebound city.

Buds. All. Day.

... I miss Auston.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on March 05, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
That Buffalo squad looks awful. Hope that we'll get back to the winning ways tonight.

GO LEAFS GO!

Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 05, 2018, 06:28:32 PM
Criscuolo sounds like an italian dessert.   I'll take the criscuolo and nocciola gelato thanks.


Sounds more like an Italian version of Crisco oil.  :D

Nocciola, si, anytime.  Actually, my favourite gelato flavour is torrone.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 05, 2018, 06:32:14 PM
If the Leafs earn a point tonight, they'll officially eliminate the possibility of the Sabres passing them.


That would be Criscuolissimo.  ;D
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2018, 07:28:06 PM
Anyone got a YT link? :)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Pregame tsn hypity hypehype.

Uh, yeah these 4 BUF games are meaningless.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 07:43:52 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 07:44:30 PM
Great start for the Leafs
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 07:44:45 PM
"The Leafs have one of the best PK in the league and —" 1-0 BUF.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 07:44:59 PM
Buf. scores!  Sabres 1 - Leafs 0

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
We stink!  :-[
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 07:47:34 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 07:48:13 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA jeebus.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 07:48:28 PM
I like how the Leafs are playing.   Top notch.  I think Babcock needs to come out and criticize Nylander and maybe Marner.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
Your franchise remains in non contender mode if you're icing guys like matt Martin.  Total ankle bender. 

2-0.  Leafs haven't showed up again. Predictable.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 07:48:38 PM
Buf. scores again!  Sabres 2 - Leafs 0

We stink!

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 07:52:16 PM
Bout as bad as you can play on a road trip.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 07:53:06 PM
Marleau with a breakaway, he doesn't score, this isn't a recording.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 07:53:52 PM
Is it a set play for Hyman to skate right up on Nylander when he's trying to get a zone entry?  It's happened a few times in the last few games but every time it seems to draw an extra defender near Nylander that takes away his ability to make a play.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2018, 07:55:33 PM
We are the greetest.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 07:55:57 PM
This is not wonderful so far but the 2 goals were pretty lucky.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2018, 07:56:20 PM
I like how the Leafs are playing.   Top notch.  I think Babcock needs to come out and criticize Nylander and maybe Marner.
Nylander demoted, Marner scratched.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 07:56:57 PM
Plus side, Zaitsev one touched a nice retrieval breakout for JvR.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 07:59:45 PM
Plus side, Zaitsev one touched a nice retrieval breakout for JvR.

Yes, and JVR made a nice shifty move at speed to complete the breakout.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
Aside from the penalty and the bad cycle before the 2nd tip in goal I think the Leafs have been outplaying Buffalo and have probably had better scoring chances than Buffalo's two goals.  Johnson has been hot in his last few games and the Leafs are playing in Buffalo.  This might be a painful one.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
Aside from the penalty and the bad cycle before the 2nd tip in goal I think the Leafs have been outplaying Buffalo and have probably had better scoring chances than Buffalo's two goals.  Johnson has been hot in his last few games and the Leafs are playing in Buffalo.  This might be a painful one.

Marner and Nylander are skating well though.  I'm still opto.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: sickbeast on March 05, 2018, 08:02:05 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Plekanec trade was a really bad move. I don't know how else to explain what has happened to this team.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
Line 3 zone time thanks to Kapanen’s afterburners beating out a retrieval.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2018, 08:05:22 PM
We stink btw
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 08:05:36 PM
Marleau couldn't shoot the puck into the Atlantic Ocean from the edge of a Cavendish beach! :(
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2018, 08:07:25 PM
Marleau couldn't shoot the puck into the Atlantic Ocean from the edge of a Cavendish beach! :(
Beautiful place, BTW
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:13:27 PM
Zaitsev has been making nice tight passes after skating out of his zone this period.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2018, 08:16:24 PM
We rule man
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 08:16:34 PM
Onkle Leo!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on March 05, 2018, 08:16:42 PM
Uncle Leo!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 08:17:10 PM
UNK
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:17:30 PM
Komarov :)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on March 05, 2018, 08:17:40 PM
What a snipe.  ;D
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 08:17:45 PM
Komarov scores! Sabres 2 - Leafs 1

Yes, Komarov can score on the power play!

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
Nylander is in beast mode tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
Glad Komarov got a goal but why is a guy with 1 goal in the last 2.5 months getting PP time.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2018, 08:34:08 PM
Glad Komarov got a goal but why is a guy with 1 goal in the last 2.5 months getting PP time.
He scored. Babcock 1, You 0
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:37:31 PM
Good shift by Nylander’s line.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:38:54 PM
Marner should be looking to bank one off the bucket there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
Ignore the hit to the head.  Good job NHL.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:41:31 PM
Babcock thinking shower thoughts on that penalty call.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 08:42:26 PM
Kill the penalty please.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:43:57 PM
Okposo appears to be their version of Patrick Marleau on the PP.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 08:44:20 PM
Why is Conor brown ever on the PK?  The PK has been dreadful on the road trip.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
Willy getting the double shift with Kadri in the bin.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:48:16 PM
Puck luck, baby.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 08:48:47 PM
4th line wholly pinned in their own zone. Man alive.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
Tough break for Criscuolo’s callup :(
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 08:55:18 PM
Onkle Leo x2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 08:55:48 PM
Good for Leo
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on March 05, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
Hahahaha UNCLE LEO
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
Hahahahahahahaha

Give and go from all three of our lowercase goats.
Zaitsev with a great breakout stretch pass, Martin and Komarov with a hilarious give and give and go.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 08:56:25 PM
Komarov scores! Sabres 2 - Leafs 2

Leo Komarov has got two!

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 08:56:50 PM
Like a broken clock, Babcock will eventually be right.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 08:56:54 PM
What did I say, play matt Martin.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Chris on March 05, 2018, 08:57:09 PM
That's it, Martin  is never coming out of the lineup again.

Nice play though.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2018, 08:58:17 PM
 If Komarov gets the hat trick I’m going streaking.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 08:58:45 PM
If Komarov gets the hat trick I’m going streaking.

Post the vid
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Chris on March 05, 2018, 08:59:28 PM
Hahahahahahahaha

Give and go from all three of our lowercase goats.
Zaitsev with a great breakout stretch pass, Martin and Komarov with a hilarious give and give and go.
I've been watching Zaitsev more tonight, he seems to be taking more time to make a pass versus just dumping it. Maybe it's the level of opposition.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:01:06 PM
Rough shift for Dermott there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:02:10 PM
Hahahahahahahaha

Give and go from all three of our lowercase goats.
Zaitsev with a great breakout stretch pass, Martin and Komarov with a hilarious give and give and go.
I've been watching Zaitsev more tonight, he seems to be taking more time to make a pass versus just dumping it. Maybe it's the level of opposition.

Yeah. I’ve been trying to highlight them here where possible. His head is up and the passes are clicking. His PK missed assignment aside, he’s been playing well.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 09:02:23 PM
If Komarov gets the hat trick I’m going streaking.

(https://misskaydiaries.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/old-school-streaking-o.gif?w=391&h=293)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on March 05, 2018, 09:03:23 PM
Eh, another lucky break for the Sabres
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2018, 09:03:50 PM
Man these are just bizarre bounces.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
Make a dang save anderson.   Every deflection is a goal.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:04:37 PM
That’s the plus side of constantly missing the net.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:04:57 PM
Make a dang save anderson.   Every deflection is a goal.

Maybe have more reasonable expectations.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2018, 09:08:51 PM
We are garbage
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
WTH....4 goals and every last one of them off a bounce/deflection
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
WTH....4 goals and every last one of them off a bounce/deflection

Yay
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Chris on March 05, 2018, 09:09:42 PM
LOL...some games ain't meant to be won.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2018, 09:10:09 PM
We stink btw
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Yikes.  This team is hurting right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2018, 09:10:28 PM
Make a dang save anderson.   Every deflection is a goal.


You need a hug bud?

All three of these goals have been laughers, not on Andersen.

Now the fourth put on a tee by the ref.

Shit happens.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Chris on March 05, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
Hainsey with the Marincin play on that goal.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on March 05, 2018, 09:12:10 PM
Hainsey with a brainless play. Why hammer the puck when Rielly is wide open?

Andersen has to save that though. Angles are off.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:12:41 PM
Make a dang save anderson.   Every deflection is a goal.

Maybe have more reasonable expectations.

Last 3 periods or so played, Anderson has given up 9 goals.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:13:32 PM
Hainsey with the Marincin play on that goal.

He has been our worst defenseman since he went down with the flu. So odd.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:14:04 PM
Make a dang save anderson.   Every deflection is a goal.

Maybe have more reasonable expectations.

Last 3 periods or so played, Anderson has given up 9 goals.

Be careful not to underestimate how much randomness goes into goal scoring.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 09:22:04 PM
CuMc should have started this game.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:27:49 PM

I’m Risto when discussing stuff with Nik
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on March 05, 2018, 09:32:24 PM

I’m Risto when discussing stuff with Nik

Aren't we all.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:32:47 PM
I thought Ristolainen was pretty great postfight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:34:20 PM
I thought Ristolainen was pretty great postfight.

It’s a lot of posturing for someone who didn’t really do any actual fighting.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:34:45 PM
All right you poltroons get up off the deck and blitz 'em in the 3rd.  >:( >:( :P
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
I thought Ristolainen was pretty great postfight.

It’s a lot of posturing for someone who didn’t really do any actual fighting.

That's what I liked about it.  It was Performance Art.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:36:32 PM
Dermott’s stutter step on the breakout is super effective.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on March 05, 2018, 09:38:30 PM
Has Hymen ever even gotten a shot off on a 2 on 1 ?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:38:57 PM
And Dermott with another risky (but supported and effective) breakout stop.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:41:31 PM
Kadri, Marleau, Marner, Hainsey and Reilly a combinded -14 tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Hainsey was really beneficial back before he contracted the Bubonic Plague.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
We stink BTW
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:50:43 PM
This is a sorry, sorry show.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:51:12 PM
That was not good, Gardiner. Too long a shift.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on March 05, 2018, 09:51:56 PM
Jakey sure jaked one there
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on March 05, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
Maybe goalie interference though?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Chris on March 05, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
This is a sorry, sorry show.
Yeah, the last 2 games have been the scary Leafs...this type of play will result in a quick first round exit.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 09:52:44 PM
Contact in the blue so maybe gets called back.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
So, are going to go with the Andersen running out of gas storyline?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2018, 09:54:21 PM
Contact in the blue so maybe gets called back.

LOL...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on March 05, 2018, 09:55:41 PM
Man all of our plays are so chincy. Don't we ever try to crash and bang it in? We clearly need some redirects and rebounds. We're not going to beat Johnson clean.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 09:56:01 PM
This is a sorry, sorry show.
Yeah, the last 2 games have been the scary Leafs...this type of play will result in a quick first round exit.

The Leafs' overall record flatters them a bit.  They don't dominate teams most nights, give up too many shots, and their D is simply not up to grade.  I have never gotten the feeling that they are set for a deep run yet.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:56:35 PM
Hainsey -4 now.

This is a sad team right now.  Need Florida to start losing.  And good god, let Matthews get healthy. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
Plekanec is a plant by the Habs to sabotage the team
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2018, 09:58:51 PM
Plekanec is a plant by the Habs to sabotage the team

It's been bad since the trade. 0-4.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 10:04:08 PM
Buf. scores again! Sabres 5 - Leafs 2

Good goal for them?

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 10:04:30 PM
I for one have seen enough of Carrick.  I'd rather see Holl cycling in and out with Polak.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 10:06:00 PM
Plekanec is a plant by the Habs to sabotage the team
It sure appears that way! It'll be confirmed if he re-signs with them in the upcoming off season.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2018, 10:09:25 PM
We rule man...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 10:10:34 PM
Looked tipped but I guess not
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on March 05, 2018, 10:10:41 PM
Marner scores! Sabres 5 - Leafs 3

Who cares?

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on March 05, 2018, 10:27:06 PM
Unsurprisingly, Nylander was not effective playing with two grinders. Neither of his line mates can rush the puck, which is a problem when that is your game.

Marleau and Plekanec both looked disinterested yet again.

Komarov got two lucky goals and will probably be on the first powerplay unit for the next three years as a result.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 05, 2018, 11:21:17 PM

Man, can you imagine how badly the team would be playing if, through the Front Office's actions, they'd been sent the message that they may not be contenders yet?

Dodged that bullet.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2018, 11:34:24 PM

Man, can you imagine how badly the team would be playing if, through the Front Office's actions, they'd been sent the message that they may not be contenders yet?

Dodged that bullet.

That was wicked true.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on March 06, 2018, 06:59:29 AM
How the **** was Buffalo goal #5 a "good goal"?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
How the **** was Buffalo goal #5 a "good goal"?

Andersen was the one who initiated contact outside of the crease.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2018, 08:36:15 AM
Kadri, Marleau, Marner, Hainsey and Reilly a combinded -14 tonight.

If there's one thing worse than plus minus, it's using an entire units combined plus minus.

It's like saying that unit gave up a combined 47 shots on net last night.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 06, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Well, there may have been some absolutely bonkers set of circumstances that contributed to the first four Buffalo goals but boy did Toronto ever look listless out there.

I'm also not sure whether the forwards deserting the defensive zone is an actual encouraged team philosophy or not but man, that has got to stop. The defense is constantly forced to make those end to end stretch passes that rarely hit their intended target. I'm not sure why there seems to be such an aversion to carrying the puck and using their elite speed and skill.

Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 06, 2018, 08:52:56 AM
Honestly, I thought, for the most part, the Leafs were the better team last night. They had a rough start, and stopped playing for a few shifts after they tied it, and, with Buffalo getting all the bounces going their way . . . the score did not reflect the play on the ice, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 06, 2018, 09:05:38 AM
Honestly, I thought, for the most part, the Leafs were the better team last night. They had a rough start, and stopped playing for a few shifts after they tied it, and, with Buffalo getting all the bounces going their way . . . the score did not reflect the play on the ice, as far as I'm concerned.

Well, we're talking about a Buffalo team sans Eichel so being the better team shouldn't be all that hard a feat to accomplish. That being said, I'm not sure I agree. Buffalo looked like the Harlem Globetrotters for a fair chunk of the 2nd period. And while 4 of those goals were all essentially flukes, most were a result of relentless pressure and a whole lot of standing around in the defensive zone (on Toronto's part). At one point I thought the shot clock was busted; it was very kind to Toronto.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 06, 2018, 09:15:56 AM
How the **** was Buffalo goal #5 a "good goal"?

Andersen was the one who initiated contact outside of the crease.

Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 06, 2018, 09:27:45 AM
Honestly, I thought, for the most part, the Leafs were the better team last night. They had a rough start, and stopped playing for a few shifts after they tied it, and, with Buffalo getting all the bounces going their way . . . the score did not reflect the play on the ice, as far as I'm concerned.

I forgot where I saw it, but someone ran the numbers for ‘good’ wins, where shot share was clearly in the winner’s favour after adjustment; it’s not as common as we would expect. Over a longer period of time, it generally leans towards consistent winning, but on a game by game basis, it’s noisy.

All in all, I agreed we played the better game, but we still had too many little mistakes that snowballed — some bad turnovers that didn’t lead to direct goals but led to extended time in our end, resulting in bad line changes that eventually ended up in our net. We attacked largely from the net front corners, rather than trying harder to get it to or across the middle. Ryan O’Rielly played really well too.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 06, 2018, 09:35:10 AM
All in all, I agreed we played the better game, but we still had too many little mistakes that snowballed — some bad turnovers that didn’t lead to direct goals but led to extended time in our end, resulting in bad line changes that eventually ended up in our net. We attacked largely from the net front corners, rather than trying harder to get it to or across the middle. Ryan O’Rielly played really well too.

Agreed. And, I think the issues were compounded due to the fact that the mistakes seemed to come in concentrated bursts, rather than being spread over the course of the game as they usually would be. On a more typical night, the amount of mistakes the Leafs' made don't come back to haunt them to the extent they did last night.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 06, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Agreed. And, I think the issues were compounded due to the fact that the mistakes seemed to come in concentrated bursts, rather than being spread over the course of the game as they usually would be. On a more typical night, the amount of mistakes the Leafs' made don't come back to haunt them to the extent they did last night.

It's where the leaders on the team would get their teammates to buckle down and trust their system and execute what they have control over. There were certainly shifts where Nylander started to try to do too much on his own. I thought the 4th line of Martin - Plekanec - and Komarov had some nice stabilizing shifts to help reset things (and then score semi-accidentally!).

I don't know what it is about the Sabres' barn, but this seems to happen to us there a lot.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 06, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
How the **** was Buffalo goal #5 a "good goal"?

Andersen was the one who initiated contact outside of the crease.


That was a league nod even-up call for the missed 1999 stanley cup final "foot in crease" goal that lost Buffalo the Cup.  Enjoy Buffalo!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Highlander on March 06, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
Babcock reverting back to midseason form.

He actually seems to think that getting older and slower is the way to win in this league.

In his defence, Martin might be a better skater than Leivo. The top-9 is about as good as it can be right now so that's a positive.

He may be a better skater but I don't for a second think he's more useful than Leivo or Moore in the offensive or defensive end.

Regarding the top 9, I don't think it makes much sense to have Brown and Hymen on the same line. Babcock tried that earlier in the season with Matthews at center and the line got destroyed by the other team, since the opposing side could basically ignore Hymen and Brown and focus on Matthews. To me, putting Kapenen with Nylander makes a lot more sense. Kapenen's speed is wasted with Bozak and JVR.
Is Connor Brown redundant on this team when you have a player like Hyman essentially doing the same thing. I would rather have a guy like Johnsson come up (although he is probably on the wrong wing)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: TML fan on March 06, 2018, 11:12:14 AM
Phew! Sure glad JVR is still here.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 06, 2018, 11:37:48 AM
I think we are 4-19 in recent years playing in Buffalo.  By any measure, that's just pure, inexcusable horsepoo.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 06, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
I'm not throwing the towel in just yet, or claiming the season is a waste and management should have built even more for the future.  I take this as a regular up-and-down stretch of the season that teams usually go through.  Leafs were 4-3-3 in the 5th set of 10 games this season before reeling off a 12-2 record right after that.  I think the Leafs can get hot again and hopefully it's at the right time (in the playoffs)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on March 07, 2018, 08:03:33 AM
Uh, based on Herman's overhead, contact is initiated by the Buffalo player at the edge (on the inside) of the crease.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on March 07, 2018, 08:10:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HI1MYmJ.jpg)

That's blue paint.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on March 07, 2018, 09:34:09 AM
I saw the significant contact being the skate to pad right at the border of the blue. I see the most confounding issue for the refs being Andersen clearly moving his upper body to box out Larsson, which is more obvious from net front views.

In any case, the refs have moved towards rulings on these where coin toss decisions will break in favour of the on-ice call. It has to be astoundingly obvious to overrule the ref's call. We had one go against the Leafs (cue Matthews eye roll gif) before they had their big pow wow, and one go for the Leafs after that, and now this one goes against. It evens out at the end of the season. Good teams don't stake their wins and losses on refs' decisions but on things that they can control themselves.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Sabres - Mar. 5th, 7:30pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 07, 2018, 03:29:58 PM
I saw the significant contact being the skate to pad right at the border of the blue. I see the most confounding issue for the refs being Andersen clearly moving his upper body to box out Larsson, which is more obvious from net front views.

In any case, the refs have moved towards rulings on these where coin toss decisions will break in favour of the on-ice call. It has to be astoundingly obvious to overrule the ref's call. We had one go against the Leafs (cue Matthews eye roll gif) before they had their big pow wow, and one go for the Leafs after that, and now this one goes against. It evens out at the end of the season. Good teams don't stake their wins and losses on refs' decisions but on things that they can control themselves.


While that looked clearly like goaltender interference on the part of the Sabres, still, we cannot say that the referee cost us the game, not when we played poorly thereafter.

If one were to look back at say, an example harking back to the 1993 Western Conference Final between the Leafs & the L.A.Kings, that non-call on Wayne Gretzky, the penalty blatantly visible to all except the referee (Fraser), and wonder whether that cost us the game (it did) and what if it had been called, would we have won, etc.  Would it have changed the trajectory of the series, etc.

In an event like that, no matter how good a team plays, some situations are beyond their grasp.

You still have your point made about good teams not staking their losses on the refs decision but on what they can control. However, my point is, in reference to that, there are times when that control goes out the proverbial window beyond a team's expectations or probables.