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Title: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:49:53 AM
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  28-8-2, 58 points | 23-15-2, 48 points

Projected Lines

Namestnikov-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Johnson
Killorn-Gourde-Conacher
Kunitz-Paquette-Brown

Hedman-Dotchin
Sergachev-Stralman
Coburn-Girardi

Vasilevskiy
             
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Komarov-Marleau-Brown
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Martin-Moore-Leivo

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Marincin
Borgman-Polak

Andersen

Scratches

Andrej Sustr
Slater Koekkoek
      
Connor Carrick
Nazem Kadri
Curtis McElhinney

Game Notes

TB
ēVasilevskiy (25-5-1, 2.02 GAA, .935 Sv%) will likely start for the Lightning
ēTampa leads the league in points, they have the best goal differential of any team, they have the best PP%, they have two of the top-4 point scorers in the league (Kucherov leads the league in goals and points), Vasilevskiy leads the league in all 4 major goalie categories (W, GAA, Sv%, SO), and to top it all off they're 3rd in the league in score-adjusted CF%
ēAnd as if they weren't dangerous enough with just their top line, Tyler Johnson has found his offensive spark from 2-3 years ago. He's on a 12-game point streak where he's scored 8 goals and 10 assists in that span

TOR
ēAndersen (20-11-1, 2.71 GAA, .920 Sv%) will likely start for the Leafs
ēMight see some big shuffling amongst the defence core tonight after a poor effort against Vegas (by that I mean Carrick might go back in for Marincin)
ēThis will be Toronto's first evening home game since December 10th
ēStill no real update on Kadri's status yet

Injuries

ēPeter Budaj - Leg - Injured Reserve
ēRyan Callahan - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
      
ēNathan Horton - Back - Out indefinitely
ēJoffrey Lupul - Actually Injured - Out indefinitely
ēNikita Soshnikov - Groin - Injured Reserve
ēNikita Zaitsev - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
ēNazem Kadri - Upper Body - Questionable Tuesday
ēCurtis McElhinney - Lower Body - Questionable Tuesday

Stream Options

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLstreams
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Kaberle15 on January 02, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Great job CtB,

Lets kick start the year with a win! Go Leafs Go!!!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:32:03 AM
We all have an awful feeling about this, right? Like I'd consider keeping the score within-3 to be a success. Especially with a shutdown line without Kadri.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 09:40:44 AM
We all have an awful feeling about this, right? Like I'd consider keeping the score within-3 to be a success. Especially with a shutdown line without Kadri.

I think the blue and white team will win.

Also, Tampa Bay is hella good, so I'd still bet on them even with Kadri. Unless Kucherov slides into Vasilevskiy on the first shift and they both come out of the game, they are deeper, faster, and better structured.

Our only chance is catching Dan Girardi on the ice with Matthews-Nylander repeatedly and hopefully outscoring Stamkos-Kucherov on the 5 power plays we will be gifting them thanks to Polak.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 10:19:02 AM
We all have an awful feeling about this, right? Like I'd consider keeping the score within-3 to be a success. Especially with a shutdown line without Kadri.

This will not be pretty.  All we can hope for is that the Leafs somehow learn from it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 10:33:31 AM

Pickard was sent back down as McBackup looks ready to go. Gauthier was called up and seems to have bumped Moore out of the line-up for now. Kadri seems ready to return as well. Also Carrick's back in for Marincin.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 11:01:48 AM
Goat Everybody v Dotchin, rd 2
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 11:08:42 AM

Pickard was sent back down as McBackup looks ready to go. Gauthier was called up and seems to have bumped Moore out of the line-up for now. Kadri seems ready to return as well. Also Carrick's back in for Marincin.

That is interesting.  I wonder why they are inserting Gauthier.  Moore hasn't been horrible.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
We all have an awful feeling about this, right? Like I'd consider keeping the score within-3 to be a success. Especially with a shutdown line without Kadri.

This will not be pretty.  All we can hope for is that the Leafs somehow learn from it.

Nah, they'll rise to the occasion.  Not necessarily predicting a win, but it will be close.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 11:20:25 AM

Pickard was sent back down as McBackup looks ready to go. Gauthier was called up and seems to have bumped Moore out of the line-up for now. Kadri seems ready to return as well. Also Carrick's back in for Marincin.

That is interesting.  I wonder why they are inserting Gauthier.  Moore hasn't been horrible.

Strange, I would say.  Moore has been really good in his role, IMO. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 11:32:42 AM
Strange, I would say.  Moore has been really good in his role, IMO. 

It's funny, opinion on Moore seems to be pretty split. I think he's been fine-to-good as a 4C. I've liked the speed he brings, which isn't something that we'll see with Gauthier.

One interesting thing though is that the Martin-Moore-Brown has put up some pretty awful possession numbers this season. In 45 minutes of 5-on-5 play (which admittedly isn't a ton), they're rocking a 30.7% CF rate.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on January 02, 2018, 11:41:23 AM
I haven't had any issues with Moore, so this does seem a bit strange...maybe he's hurting. Goat had a good game with 3 points recently, maybe they just want to have a look at how he's progressed. The bigger problem in the lineup seems to be Brown, he's on the ice for a lot of goals against lately, often seems to be late getting back. And his offense has dried up.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 11:49:34 AM
One interesting thing though is that the Martin-Moore-Brown has put up some pretty awful possession numbers this season. In 45 minutes of 5-on-5 play (which admittedly isn't a ton), they're rocking a 30.7% CF rate.

None of them have the puck skills to hold the puck to make plays. Brown is an opportunistic shooter. Moore can sometimes carry, but only in open space. Martin is at his best when he doesn't have the puck.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 02, 2018, 11:50:35 AM
Freddie had a huge game the other day, dished a beauty to Kapi who converted, then he scored two very nice goals in the 3rd period, real snipes to be sure.
He is good on the Face-offs and has huge reach, he can tie guys up.
Lets face it, it's amazing that he overcame a detached hamstring so quickly, he is a testament to fortitude.
Moore is a good player but only here for a year, perhaps they want to have another look at Fredo before they make a final decision on his future.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
Unless the Goat!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Strange, I would say.  Moore has been really good in his role, IMO.

Agreed. Would like to see him in the lineup instead of Martin. Moore-Gauthier-Brown could be an interesting line.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 02, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
Why is it that some ACC games face off at 7 and others at 730?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 12:06:06 PM
Unless the Goat!

And let him graze in the rich pastures of victory!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: disco on January 02, 2018, 12:11:53 PM
Great news with Naz. I'm guess neck soreness and not a concussion. No way core guys come back without being 100% on those, and that can take a while.

Here we go: no more crazy times, crazy arenas and crazy trips and crazy back-to-backs. Ten days, five games all at home. Home cooking and 5-0.

Edit:
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 12:32:35 PM
Freddy's night: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/1/2/16836278/freddy-the-goat-stands-big-and-tall-in-toronto-marlies-win-over-belleville-senators-gauthier-brooks
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: disco on January 02, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
We're starting to see the big loss that losing Zaitsev is. Everyone gets bumped up and it shows.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Strangelove on January 02, 2018, 01:24:56 PM
We're starting to see the big loss that losing Zaitsev is. Everyone gets bumped up and it shows.

Zaitsev is hardly a rock defensively. The bigger issue is that the team seems to be tired and a little beat up. Also guys like Komarov and Polak continue to get significant icetime despite being pretty brutal at both ends of the ice.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 02:02:51 PM
Worried Leafs might get walloped tonight. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: disco on January 02, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55852964/to-be-the-man-you-gotta-beat-the-man.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 02:51:48 PM

I don't disagree with this. I am also a big fan of Brayden Point, who is the player I dreamed Tyler Bozak would have been if developed properly.

Tampering accusation in 3... 2...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 02, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
Strange, I would say.  Moore has been really good in his role, IMO. 

It's funny, opinion on Moore seems to be pretty split. I think he's been fine-to-good as a 4C. I've liked the speed he brings, which isn't something that we'll see with Gauthier.

One interesting thing though is that the Martin-Moore-Brown has put up some pretty awful possession numbers this season. In 45 minutes of 5-on-5 play (which admittedly isn't a ton), they're rocking a 30.7% CF rate.

How much do that is really on Moore though.  We are playing a very fast team and just inserted a slow as molasses guy into the lineup.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 07:13:48 PM
Man this Johnny Bower tribute is well done. Bringing out all those family members, tearing up here.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
I'm not a fan of Bowen as PbP man but that was beautiful.  Just perfect.

And no offense to the young anthem singer, but doing them as intsrumentals/sing alongs is the capping classy move.

And kudos to Babcock for saying a few words to Mrs. Bower as she leaves the ice.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Al14 on January 02, 2018, 07:18:13 PM
#WinitforJohnnyBower.

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 07:38:16 PM
Wow, nonstop action.  Until Martin stopped it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: freer on January 02, 2018, 07:39:40 PM
Wow is this quick!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 02, 2018, 07:40:39 PM
Martin you numpty.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 07:42:33 PM
Wow sending Goat out on the PK.  That's confidence.  Or craziness.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
Wow sending Goat out on the PK.  That's confidence.  Or craziness.

To be the goat, you gotta play the goat.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 07:43:57 PM
Wow sending Goat out on the PK.  That's confidence.  Or craziness.

To be the goat, you gotta play the goat.

Says Mike Babgoat.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 07:45:26 PM
Carrick acquits himself well 1v1 on Stamkos.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 07:48:37 PM
Our best chances on Vasilevskiy have been off Tampa sticks.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 07:50:00 PM
Hyman beats an icing and Nylander fends off his countryman to draw a penalty. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
WHY IS KOMAROV ON THE POWERPLAY?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
See I thought that because the Tampa Bay Lightning are the more talented team that the Leafs would end up with more power plays this game, but that does not seem to be the case.  I thought that was just the parity rule or something.   
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 07:54:37 PM
Namestnikov shoves Andersen but they call Polak?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 02, 2018, 07:54:50 PM
Namestnikov pushes Andersen twice in the crease and then knocks him over and that doesnít get a penalty from the refs....Christ.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 07:55:16 PM
I really hope that's offsetting minors. The Polak crosschecks I can live with...if there's no goaltender interference/mauling penalty I'll be unimpressed.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 07:55:57 PM
Iím okay with Polakís response.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 07:56:07 PM
Yeah, good job Polak. Taking stupid penalties against this team...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 07:56:45 PM
Iím okay with Polakís response.

Me too.  Even though he got screwed over by refs you can't let them rough it with your goalie.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 07:56:55 PM
Namestnikov was responding to Andersen casually holding his stick.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 07:57:35 PM
Iím okay with Polakís response.

He didn't even see the play by Namestikov before reacting.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: AvroArrow on January 02, 2018, 07:57:41 PM
Yeah, good job Polak. Taking stupid penalties against this team...

Yeah, I thought that was really stupid...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
Yeah, good job Polak. Taking stupid penalties against this team...
This. He got away with the first hit, then chases him and cross checked him in the back to make sure that the ref had to call it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 07:59:09 PM
Iím okay with Polakís response.

I thought the second cross-check was a little overzealous. Namestnikov was clearly not going to engage and he was skating away from Polak faster than Polak could get going. At that point, you take a number and back away.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 02, 2018, 07:59:10 PM
The awful penalties by polak and Martin are getting out of hand. Game after game, those two take late awful penalties and handicap the leafs.  Neither should be in the NHL.  Completely insane that they are in the lineup.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: AvroArrow on January 02, 2018, 07:59:47 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:02:16 PM
No, I'm going to stand up for Polak.  What's he going to do, blast Namestnikov at some random point down the line.  Andersen appreciates it I bet, even if he has to help try to kill this.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:03:06 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
And this is why Neanderthal* Polak shouldn't be in the league.




* - apologies to Neanderthals
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:04:03 PM
No, I'm going to stand up for Polak.  What's he going to do, blast Namestnikov at some random point down the line.  Andersen appreciates it I bet, even if he has to help try to kill this.

Yes. Hit him with a hard, clean hit the next time they're on the ice together. Or let Martin or someone else do it. Retribution doesn't need to be immediate. Don't put the extra oomph into the second cross-check.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:04:07 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
And this is why Neanderthal* Polak shouldn't be in the league.




* - apologies to Neanderthals

Polak hasn't really been the problem on D, lately at least.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 08:05:24 PM
At that point, you take a number and back away.
Or send the Goat to "accidentally" nudge Vasilevskiy a few times next time he's in the vicinity.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: freer on January 02, 2018, 08:05:41 PM
It was a garbage call. You don't touch the goalie, it is in the rule book. Enough said. Police should of just knock him out. Leafs have been seen off over the past 5 games. Kadri knocked out of 2 games with a elbow to the head. NO call. The NHL is biased.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
And this is why Neanderthal* Polak shouldn't be in the league.




* - apologies to Neanderthals

Polak hasn't really been the problem on D, lately at least.
You mean aside from the 5th Vegas goal that killed the Leafs comeback last game?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:06:21 PM
Iím okay with Polakís response.

I thought the second cross-check was a little overzealous. Namestnikov was clearly not going to engage and he was skating away from Polak faster than Polak could get going. At that point, you take a number and back away.

Yeah thatíd be my preference for the most part, hence I was okay with it, rather than enjoying it. But the other team seeing you go full Chewbacca on one of their guys for holding hands with Andersen should make them think twice about cutting to the net.

Period opening PPs are generally not that effective anyway. Iím rooting for a Hyman shortie from Gauthier.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:07:00 PM
Or send the Goat to "accidentally" nudge Vasilevskiy a few times next time he's in the vicinity.

Or that. There are a number of better options than the one Polak chose.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:07:14 PM
No, I'm going to stand up for Polak.  What's he going to do, blast Namestnikov at some random point down the line.  Andersen appreciates it I bet, even if he has to help try to kill this.

Yes. Hit him with a hard, clean hit the next time they're on the ice together. Or let Martin or someone else do it. Retribution doesn't need to be immediate. Don't put the extra oomph into the second cross-check.

Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:08:18 PM
Yeah thatíd be my preference for the most part, hence I was okay with it, rather than enjoying it. But the other team seeing you go full Chewbacca on one of their guys for holding hands with Andersen should make them think twice about cutting to the net.

Very rarely does, though. Especially with the way the game is called now. If anything, it'll make them feel like they can draw a penalty without much of an actual incident.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:08:31 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
And this is why Neanderthal* Polak shouldn't be in the league.




* - apologies to Neanderthals

Polak hasn't really been the problem on D, lately at least.
You mean aside from the 5th Vegas goal that killed the Leafs comeback last game?

That hardly was the difference maker.  Marincin, who I like, was just awful.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.

Yes, except that message could very easily be interpreted as "it's easy to make this guy give us a power play, and our guy really doesn't have to take much of a hit to get it."
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:10:42 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
And this is why Neanderthal* Polak shouldn't be in the league.




* - apologies to Neanderthals

Polak hasn't really been the problem on D, lately at least.
You mean aside from the 5th Vegas goal that killed the Leafs comeback last game?

That hardly was the difference maker.  Marincin, who I like, was just awful.
Well Leafs had momentum at 4-3 with 2 straight goals, and that killed momentum. So, it did have quite the influence on the game.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:11:15 PM
Iím okay with Polakís response.

He didn't even see the play by Namestikov before reacting.

True. He only saw Andersen falling, which is often how these sorts of fights/scrums after cleanish hits goes.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:11:32 PM
Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.

Yes, except that message could very easily be interpreted as "it's easy to make this guy give us a power play, and our guy really doesn't have to take much of a hit to get it."

If Andersen gets hurt, it's end of story.  That's why I cut Polak plenty of slack here.  Way bigger than 1 PP given up.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:11:46 PM
Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.

Yes, except that message could very easily be interpreted as "it's easy to make this guy give us a power play, and our guy really doesn't have to take much of a hit to get it."
Bingo. "Want a powerplay? Do something close to Polak and take a punch for the team, mission accomplished"
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:12:48 PM
Like, it was a pretty soft shove... Who cares?  If they cream him, THEN go after them. This puts us down a man to the most lethal team in the league all for retribution over a little shove.
And this is why Neanderthal* Polak shouldn't be in the league.




* - apologies to Neanderthals

Polak hasn't really been the problem on D, lately at least.
You mean aside from the 5th Vegas goal that killed the Leafs comeback last game?

That hardly was the difference maker.  Marincin, who I like, was just awful.
Well Leafs had momentum at 4-3 with 2 straight goals, and that killed momentum. So, it did have quite the influence on the game.

Very true, but in the sea of awfulness that was them in that game, Polak was just a barnacle on the side of the net.  Or some such.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:12:49 PM
Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.

First of, what message was sent? Namestnikov took a couple routine cross checks. He'll play his next shift. I'm pretty sure he was perfectly fine with the outcome of that situation.

Second, this wasn't Lucic on Miller or something like that. Goalies get shoved sometimes, and usually it results in a penalty. It didn't this time but that doesn't necessarily mean retribution was necessary. And it's not going to stop plays like that from happening in the future. That's impossible.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:14:23 PM
Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.

First of, what message was sent? Namestnikov took a couple routine cross checks. He'll play his next shift. I'm pretty sure he was perfectly fine with the outcome of that situation.

Second, this wasn't Lucic on Miller or something like that. Goalies get shoved sometimes, and usually it results in a penalty. It didn't this time but that doesn't necessarily mean retribution was necessary. And it's not going to stop plays like that from happening in the future. That's impossible.
The sad thing is, Babcock will LOVE what Polak just did. He's never coming out of this lineup barring an injury.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:15:10 PM
If Andersen gets hurt, it's end of story.  That's why I cut Polak plenty of slack here.  Way bigger than 1 PP given up.

If Polak saw Andersen struggling to get off the ice when he went after Namestikov, we might be having a different. He didn't. This was something that could have - and should have - been waited on for retribution. Show some restraint and make the other team wonder when this is going to come back on them. Don't make it clear how easy it is to get under your skin.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 08:15:58 PM
Message sent is unmistakable this way.  Sure, they may score on the PP and that would be bad, might lead to losing this game even.  But over the long haul I think it's better to not let them take liberties with our most important player.

Yes, except that message could very easily be interpreted as "it's easy to make this guy give us a power play, and our guy really doesn't have to take much of a hit to get it."

If Andersen gets hurt, it's end of story.  That's why I cut Polak plenty of slack here.  Way bigger than 1 PP given up.
This

The main problem is actually with the referee. He let Andersen get away with a borderline "holding the stick" infraction, then completely ignored Namestnikov's extremely blatant goaltender interference (crosschecking? roughing? "you can't do that") response, and now only gives the single penalty to Polak. It's the ref who let it escalated to that point by failing to do his job in the first place.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:16:08 PM
The sad thing is, Babcock will LOVE what Polak just did. He's never coming out of this lineup barring an injury.

True, but I've accepted that that was never going to happen anyway.

Remember when Polak re-signed this summer and some of us thought it wasn't a big deal because he'd be the #7 defenceman? Good times.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:17:50 PM
See?  You don't want Andersen getting hurt!

Just kidding, I'm glad they could kill it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:17:58 PM
Andersen made that last save in Polak's honour.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:23:56 PM
Andersen made that last save in Polak's honour.

Palat fired it directly into Andersenís clavicle, so Millen lavished heady praise on Andersenís battle ability.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:25:30 PM
I think Marner wants a goal.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:25:52 PM
Andersen made that last save in Polak's honour.

Palat fired it directly into Andersenís clavicle, so Millen lavished heady praise on Andersenís battle ability.

Hey, a save like that earned McBackup another contract so don't knock them.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:25:58 PM
If Andersen gets hurt, it's end of story.  That's why I cut Polak plenty of slack here.  Way bigger than 1 PP given up.

If Polak saw Andersen struggling to get off the ice when he went after Namestikov, we might be having a different. He didn't. This was something that could have - and should have - been waited on for retribution. Show some restraint and make the other team wonder when this is going to come back on them. Don't make it clear how easy it is to get under your skin.
Andersen also has like 40lbs and 5" over Namestikov, not like he was run over by a goon.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
I think Marner wants a goal.

What a good boy.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:28:56 PM
Marner, Marner, Marner
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Post by: louisstamos on January 02, 2018, 08:30:06 PM
All things considered, this is a very fun game to watch.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:30:17 PM
Marner is all over the ice
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on January 02, 2018, 08:30:31 PM
i wish Bob "Here they come - all of them" Cole was calling this game.

What SN saddles the top money maker with these guys is beyond me although the quality of their people is awful, including Homer Hughson.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:30:38 PM
If Andersen gets hurt, it's end of story.  That's why I cut Polak plenty of slack here.  Way bigger than 1 PP given up.

If Polak saw Andersen struggling to get off the ice when he went after Namestikov, we might be having a different. He didn't. This was something that could have - and should have - been waited on for retribution. Show some restraint and make the other team wonder when this is going to come back on them. Don't make it clear how easy it is to get under your skin.
Andersen also has like 40lbs and 5" over Namestikov, not like he was run over by a goon.

Whatevs, guys.  It all turned out to be a big nothingburger anyway.

This is one hell of a game.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:32:10 PM
I like Gauthierís heads up play. On the open look, he deliberately shot wide of Vasilevskiy into the maze of Martinís legs for a chance at a bank in, rather than at the net/goalie directly.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 02, 2018, 08:32:19 PM
We stink dudes


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Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 08:32:39 PM
The Goat is making a really good case for himself being able to play at the NHL level again. Remarkable considering last May he wasn't even originally expected to be ready to start playing again until the New Year.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:32:45 PM
Whatevs, guys.  It all turned out to be a big nothingburger anyway.

This is one hell of a game.

Let's please not allow phrases coined/favoured by the alt-right and white supremacists to enter into our everyday vernacular.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:32:55 PM
Too bad.  A misplay by Freddie.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: freer on January 02, 2018, 08:33:10 PM
What the hell was Andersen doing?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on January 02, 2018, 08:33:24 PM
As much as I think Polak is
 an issue that was totally not his fault leaving Kunitz along in front..
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Al14 on January 02, 2018, 08:33:49 PM
Crap! We suck 1 to we rule ZERO.

Andersen!   >:(
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on January 02, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
WTF has gotten into Andersen with these misplays behind the net lately.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:34:47 PM
That was all because Polak didn't hit the guy hard enough.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:35:43 PM
Whatevs, guys.  It all turned out to be a big nothingburger anyway.

This is one hell of a game.

Let's please not allow phrases coined/favoured by the alt-right and white supremacists to enter into our everyday vernacular.

?  I've seen it used lots on political sites I read.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:36:14 PM
Oh Freddie, Tampa is too good to be gifting them goals
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 02, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
Routine stick check causes stick to explode up at the hands of the tampa player hit nowhere near the stick on stick contact.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:39:49 PM
It helps that Gauthier's stick is 12 feet long.  It would have been great if he could have put that in.

Good PK, I think we've been the better team this period.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:40:11 PM
?  I've seen it used lots on political sites I read.

It's a phrase favoured by the alt-right/Trumpkins to dismiss news stories that have an anti-Trump spin or investigations that take time rather than producing instant results.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:40:41 PM
Routine stick check causes stick to explode up at the hands of the tampa player hit nowhere near the stick on stick contact.
Slow motion shows it was breaking on the shot, wasn't even Komarov's stick that did it
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:41:08 PM
?  I've seen it used lots on political sites I read.

It's a phrase favoured by the alt-right/Trumpkins to dismiss news stories that have an anti-Trump spin or investigations that take time rather than producing instant results.

Yes, I'm just saying it's been appropriated by our side.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:43:36 PM
Yes, I'm just saying it's been appropriated by our side.

Or they're using it without knowing that it's actually a dog-whistle because it sounds cool.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
?  I've seen it used lots on political sites I read.

It's a phrase favoured by the alt-right/Trumpkins to dismiss news stories that have an anti-Trump spin or investigations that take time rather than producing instant results.

Yes, I'm just saying it's been appropriated by our side.
The Ministry of Propaganda approves that appropriation.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 02, 2018, 08:44:12 PM
We stink dudes


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Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:45:20 PM
Rats.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:45:47 PM
Yes, I'm just saying it's been appropriated by our side.

Or they're using it without knowing that it's actually a dog-whistle because it sounds cool.

Believe me, they know the score.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
Yes, I'm just saying it's been appropriated by our side.

Or they're using it without knowing that it's actually a dog-whistle because it sounds cool.

Yup. Almost certainly this. Emboldens the wrong people by making it seems as though their things are slowly becoming more and more acceptable.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 02, 2018, 08:46:16 PM
So down 2 and playing Tampa even, we should get some PPs now, right?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 02, 2018, 08:46:20 PM
Just got home I see we are down a couple goals but how have we been playing?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 08:47:18 PM
Just got home I see we are down a couple goals but how have we been playing?

Pretty wide open game. It's actually been fairly evenly played. Tampa just capitalized on an Andersen mis-play and then another goal was just scored now.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 08:48:02 PM
I like how weíve played tonight relative to our last couple of games.
I.e. if we played like this from here on out, weíd win more than our fair share of games and be a very tough out in rd 2+.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 02, 2018, 08:48:46 PM
Just got home I see we are down a couple goals but how have we been playing?

Pretty wide open game. It's actually been fairly evenly played. Tampa just capitalized on an Andersen mis-play and then another goal was just scored now.

Thanks
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:48:58 PM
Just got home I see we are down a couple goals but how have we been playing?
Leafs were right in it until a miscue by Andersen giving the puck away for the first goal. Then a phantom PP for Tampa and they keep momentum going. It's all gone to hell since
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Al14 on January 02, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
Fudge!  We stink 2 to we rule ZERO!

We're being shutout!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 08:51:26 PM
Yes, I'm just saying it's been appropriated by our side.

Or they're using it without knowing that it's actually a dog-whistle because it sounds cool.

Yup. Almost certainly this. Emboldens the wrong people by making it seems as though their things are slowly becoming more and more acceptable.

Look.  Not to get this thread onto politics but Trump emboldens them.  Period.  They don't care what the other side says, or what words they use.  I've lived this nightmare for the last year, believe me I know.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
Fudge!  We stink 2 to we rule ZERO!

We're being shutout!
That doesn't work when the shutout team says shutout.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:14:41 PM
"Reminds me of Hasek in a completely different way"

So... he doesn't remind you of Hasek...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:15:22 PM
Ugh, Nylander got so close.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 09:15:42 PM
Gauthier looks pretty okay.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
4th line + 3rd pairing on the ice at the same time and they get absolutely pummeled (including Hedman somehow getting a wide open look from the slot).
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Post by: azzurri63 on January 02, 2018, 09:21:31 PM
Hemsky? LOL.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 09:21:57 PM
Rielly looking really good tonight. He should maybe try shooting a bit lower.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
Why is Gauthier on the ice when there's less than 10 minutes left in a 0-2 game?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 02, 2018, 09:26:51 PM
Gauthier looks pretty okay.

Is it just me or does he look a tad quicker?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:27:14 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*

We needed just a bit more patience back then.  Probably a good thing to keep in mind this season, in fact.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 09:27:42 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*

Lack of patience to allow him to develop/Burke needed Calgary's 2nd rounder to get the Leafs' 2nd rounder back from Chicago to put on the pressure in the Kessel deal/didn't put up big flashy numbers, and teams didn't really have the analytics departments that saw the full extent of his ability.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:28:11 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*

We needed just a bit more patience back then.  Probably a good thing to keep in mind this season, in fact.

What's nuts is that Calgary and Columbus both basically gave up on him too. And then the Rangers let him go so they could keep Girardi.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 09:29:03 PM
Why is Gauthier on the ice when there's less than 10 minutes left in a 0-2 game?

At least itís Marner in for Martin.

Gauthier looks pretty okay.

Is it just me or does he look a tad quicker?

He is (and was prior to the injury). He is also running at a leaner weight and building confidence in his puck handling. Heís made a couple of moves to out wait the check and get a clean out (or in).
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Post by: wnc096 on January 02, 2018, 09:29:09 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*

I think you are forgetting the glory year of Wayne (don't call me Keith) Primeau era
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:31:12 PM
Pretty much a must-score PP here.
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Post by: Al14 on January 02, 2018, 09:32:19 PM
Kadri needs to just DUMP all the current sticks he's using! Can't hit the net with them.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2018, 09:33:50 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:33:55 PM
Marner made Hedman look foolish.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 09:34:05 PM
So this is what it feels like to play the Leafs.  Lots of chances, opposing goalie making unbelievable saves.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Hobbes on January 02, 2018, 09:34:41 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*

We needed just a bit more patience back then.  Probably a good thing to keep in mind this season, in fact.

What's nuts is that Calgary and Columbus both basically gave up on him too. And then the Rangers let him go so they could keep Girardi.
I'd forgotten that.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:35:50 PM
Why did we ever let Stralman get away? He was dynamite in that Rangers cup attempt and has been so solid for Tampa. He's the perfect 3-4 defenceman who can even play top pair at a pinch. EDIT: and is right-shot. *sighs*

We needed just a bit more patience back then.  Probably a good thing to keep in mind this season, in fact.

What's nuts is that Calgary and Columbus both basically gave up on him too. And then the Rangers let him go so they could keep Girardi.

Yeah, and IIRC he was playing pretty well for Columbus.

I guess you have to hand it to Yzerman.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:37:01 PM
I really don't know what to say about this one.  If even one of those Marner highlight plays converts, it's a different game.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 09:37:38 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I hate to keep harping on it, but coaching is part of it. Some players getting more ice time than they deserve/being in the lineup over more useful players, and the current system has sucked the speed out of the team's game, while also not providing a ton of help in the defensive end.

I'm not quite ready to say Babs should be on thin ice, but I think management needs to take away some of his favourite toys, and give him a talking to about how he plays with the others.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 09:41:54 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I don't think it's been that one sided.  I thought the Leafs managed some pressure on them.  I think Tampa has the better defence, and their forward group has more talent, so I think this is a fairly good showing.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:44:52 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I hate to keep harping on it, but coaching is part of it. Some players getting more ice time than they deserve/being in the lineup over more useful players, and the current system has sucked the speed out of the team's game, while also not providing a ton of help in the defensive end.

I'm not quite ready to say Babs should be on thin ice, but I think management needs to take away some of his favourite toys, and give him a talking to about how he plays with the others.

None of that is happening.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:44:57 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I don't think it's been that one sided.  I thought the Leafs managed some pressure on them.  I think Tampa has the better defence, and their forward group has more talent, so I think this is a fairly good showing.

Yeah I was fully expecting to get dominated but it's been pretty close I think. That 1st goal was the back-breaker. If the Leafs got an opportunity like that first who knows what would have happened.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
None of that is happening.

I'm not just talking about tonight - though Komarov got more ice time than he probably should have, and the 4th line probably shouldn't have seen the ice in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on January 02, 2018, 09:45:26 PM
I think the Leafs have actually played pretty well, but Vasilevsky has just been better.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:46:02 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I don't think it's been that one sided.  I thought the Leafs managed some pressure on them.  I think Tampa has the better defence, and their forward group has more talent, so I think this is a fairly good showing.

Yeah I was fully expecting to get dominated but it's been pretty close I think. That 1st goal was the back-breaker. If the Leafs got an opportunity like that first who knows what would have happened.

Yes.

Is that the first time we've been shutout this year?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on January 02, 2018, 09:46:37 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I hate to keep harping on it, but coaching is part of it. Some players getting more ice time than they deserve/being in the lineup over more useful players, and the current system has sucked the speed out of the team's game, while also not providing a ton of help in the defensive end.

I'm not quite ready to say Babs should be on thin ice, but I think management needs to take away some of his favourite toys, and give him a talking to about how he plays with the others.

Isn't management telling the coach how to do his job how so many teams have gone down the toilet?  (including the Leafs in the past)
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:47:09 PM
None of that is happening.

I'm not just talking about tonight - though Komarov got more ice time than he probably should have, and the 4th line probably shouldn't have seen the ice in the 3rd.

I know.  But there is no way Babcock is going to be overruled by Shanahan or Lou or anyone else. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 09:48:00 PM
Isn't management telling the coach how to do his job how so many teams have gone down the toilet?  (including the Leafs in the past)

If you're talking micromanaging, sure. If you're pointing out that a strategy isn't working and guys like Hyman shouldn't be leading the forwards in ice time? I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
Man we are getting thoroughly outclassed. Why can't we take the next step?

I don't think it's been that one sided.  I thought the Leafs managed some pressure on them.  I think Tampa has the better defence, and their forward group has more talent, so I think this is a fairly good showing.

Yeah I was fully expecting to get dominated but it's been pretty close I think. That 1st goal was the back-breaker. If the Leafs got an opportunity like that first who knows what would have happened.

Definitely a better showing than against Vegas.  I think this just shows where the Leafs have to get to.  Tampa could skate with Toronto, and they capitalized on their chances.   
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2018, 09:48:53 PM
I know.  But there is no way Babcock is going to be overruled by Shanahan or Lou or anyone else.

Probably not, and, I do think he's smart enough a coach to eventually figure it out. It just frustrates me that he hasn't yet/hasn't been able to get the message to the players yet.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
Is that the first time we've been shutout this year?

Second. They were shutout by Minny last month.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
I know.  But there is no way Babcock is going to be overruled by Shanahan or Lou or anyone else.

Probably not, and, I do think he's smart enough a coach to eventually figure it out. It just frustrates me that he hasn't yet/hasn't been able to get the message to the players yet.

Well, like we've said before he is going to get them to play like the Wings and nothing is going to stand in his way.  And really, the fact that they played Tampa pretty darn even only strengthens his case, if indeed there is any arguing going on behind the scenes with the rest of the brass, which I rather doubt.  They all know where the weaknesses are.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:52:09 PM
Is that the first time we've been shutout this year?

Second. They were shutout by Minny last month.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2018, 09:53:33 PM
Losing on only an awkward faux-pas (that Kunitz made a great play on), and a bad line change, and running into a very hot goalie against the top team in the league is a plus in my books. Didn't get steamrolled, and got a good close look at what we could be playing like. Tampa's defense corps is not much stronger than ours (other than Hedman being world-class, and Stralman being really solid in his middle-man minutes).
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
Playing VGK and Tampa back to back is interesting.  One is a fluke.  The other looks like it's finally going to get the Cup.  That's one strong team.  Sergachev for Drouin for godssakes.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 02, 2018, 09:55:38 PM
Losing on only an awkward faux-pas (that Kunitz made a great play on), and a bad line change, and running into a very hot goalie against the top team in the league is a plus in my books. Didn't get steamrolled, and got a good close look at what we could be playing like. Tampa's defense corps is not much stronger than ours (other than Hedman being world-class, and Stralman being really solid in his middle-man minutes).

I think you may have just refuted yourself. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 02, 2018, 10:00:36 PM
Losing on only an awkward faux-pas (that Kunitz made a great play on), and a bad line change, and running into a very hot goalie against the top team in the league is a plus in my books. Didn't get steamrolled, and got a good close look at what we could be playing like. Tampa's defense corps is not much stronger than ours (other than Hedman being world-class, and Stralman being really solid in his middle-man minutes).

I think you may have just refuted yourself.

I have to say, Reilly was really strong tonight.  Also, I kinda liked Gardiner's drunken monkey skating style tonight.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: disco on January 02, 2018, 11:33:37 PM
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Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on January 02, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
I thought the 4th line was all right.  It was when they, or any line for that matter was paired with Polak et al.  That was the issue. Marincin was tried and wasn't the answer. Carrick isn't the answer either so let's try more Marlies or make a deal. 

Unfortunately Polak is in Babcock's penthouse suite right now.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 03, 2018, 12:43:41 AM
The way Marner was flying out there, the only thing missing was a cape.  :D
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 03, 2018, 08:46:50 AM
The way Marner was flying out there, the only thing missing was a cape.  :D

And maybe a goal or two.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 03, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Just once I would like to see the Leafs try Marner-Matthews-Nylander when they are down in a late game situation.  Just play Marner-Matthews-Nylander and Marleau-Kadri-JVR if you are trying to score late.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 03, 2018, 11:52:37 AM
Just once I would like to see the Leafs try Marner-Matthews-Nylander when they are down in a late game situation.  Just play Marner-Matthews-Nylander and Marleau-Kadri-JVR if you are trying to score late.

Me too.  But maybe Babcock is saving all that for when the games really count for something.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Strangelove on January 03, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
Just once I would like to see the Leafs try Marner-Matthews-Nylander when they are down in a late game situation.  Just play Marner-Matthews-Nylander and Marleau-Kadri-JVR if you are trying to score late.

Me too.  But maybe Babcock is saving all that for when the games really count for something.

Nope I'm pretty sure he just really likes Hymen and Komarov.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Andy on January 03, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
I don't know, I just can't understand what Komarov does/has done to get PP time. He's a 4th liner. And why on earth is Bozak on the ice with the Leafs net empty? He blew a strong scoring chance/setup by making an absolutely atrocious pass to the blueline that missed the D and went into Toronto's zone. He can be truly horrible sometimes.

Late in the 3rd, down by two, we should be seeing Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, JVR, Marleau non-stop. Heck, I'd put out Brown then Kapanen and then Leivo before I put on Hyman (near 20 mins ice time??!!), Komorav or Bozak. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: princedpw on January 03, 2018, 01:04:43 PM
Just once I would like to see the Leafs try Marner-Matthews-Nylander when they are down in a late game situation.  Just play Marner-Matthews-Nylander and Marleau-Kadri-JVR if you are trying to score late.

That would be fun.  As would

Marleau-Matthews-Nylander
JVR-Kadri-Marner

for handedness.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 03, 2018, 01:07:46 PM
How did the Goat play last night. I saw a few minutes of the first period and he seemed to make few good plays. Is he an upgrade over Moore?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 03, 2018, 01:59:39 PM
How did the Goat play last night. I saw a few minutes of the first period and he seemed to make few good plays. Is he an upgrade over Moore?

One game is not enough to gauge properly; by that time Moore will be gone anyway. Gauthier looked a bit faster than his first few go arounds and to my eye more confident carrying and handling the puck.

Soshnikov - Gauthier - Leivo would be a handsome (and cheap) 4th line that could chip in offense (and a pretty great 1st line on the Marlies).

Potential next year lines using only internal options that I wouldn't be afraid to roll out right now.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Martin - Gauthier - Leivo
Aaltonen, Soshnikov

There's a chance JvR comes back (based on what everyone on the team has said about him), so ideally that bumps Martin, but we all know that ain't happening and Andreas Johnsson/Miro Aaltonen will be on the Marlies.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 03, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
https://theathletic.com/202082/2018/01/03/bourne-on-mitch-marners-great-game-terrible-stats-and-where-game-by-game-numbers-tell-untruths/

This is the stuff.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Jan. 2nd, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 03, 2018, 07:42:39 PM
How did the Goat play last night. I saw a few minutes of the first period and he seemed to make few good plays. Is he an upgrade over Moore?

One game is not enough to gauge properly; by that time Moore will be gone anyway. Gauthier looked a bit faster than his first few go arounds and to my eye more confident carrying and handling the puck.

Soshnikov - Gauthier - Leivo would be a handsome (and cheap) 4th line that could chip in offense (and a pretty great 1st line on the Marlies).

Potential next year lines using only internal options that I wouldn't be afraid to roll out right now.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Martin - Gauthier - Leivo
Aaltonen, Soshnikov

There's a chance JvR comes back (based on what everyone on the team has said about him), so ideally that bumps Martin, but we all know that ain't happening and Andreas Johnsson/Miro Aaltonen will be on the Marlies.
Thanks Herman, the overall jist I get is that Fredo has improved speed and is more confident with the puck. With his wingspan he may just fit in. What I love about the Leafs, they are no longer giving up on potential (if they see it) and work to improve what someone is capable of.  Obviously for Fredo to go in the 1st means someone saw his raw potential to develop into a positive piece of the puzzle.  If our Goat can play 4th line and help the team then he is another example of where this organization is going.
In the old days he would already have been tossed on the roadside or traded for nothing.