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Title: Leivo...
Post by: nutman on October 18, 2017, 11:42:41 AM
Whats up with this guy. It seems like all he is here for is to sit and watch. They protect him, they keep him up with the big team yet no game time, I am ready to see him in a few games. Any thoughts?.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Dappleganger on October 18, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
Whats up with this guy. It seems like all he is here for is to sit and watch. They protect him, they keep him up with the big team yet no game time, I am ready to see him in a few games. Any thoughts?.

Any time the Leafs are playing a less physical/smaller team, throw Leivo in there and let Martin have a game off. I do like Martin for what he is, but you gotta get Leivo in there.

Tonight against Detroit for example...
 
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2017, 01:58:28 PM
Unless the Leivo ;)
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: mr grieves on October 18, 2017, 02:01:59 PM
Whats up with this guy. It seems like all he is here for is to sit and watch. They protect him, they keep him up with the big team yet no game time, I am ready to see him in a few games. Any thoughts?.

Any time the Leafs are playing a less physical/smaller team, throw Leivo in there and let Martin have a game off. I do like Martin for what he is, but you gotta get Leivo in there.

Tonight against Detroit for example...

That'd be the optimal solution that's available to them right now, I think... but I was listening to the Mirtle/Siegel podcast, and they point out that Babcock's a coach who quickly forms an opinion of what a player is and doesn't revise it, even when he's proven wrong (e.g. when Panik works well in Chicago's top-6).

Neither of the likely solutions to the "Leivo situation" -- trade him for a low pick or let him sit more than 42 games and walk -- are any good, so I'm hoping a smart person in the front office makes the sensible asset-management moves (picks and prospects for expiring UFAs) and forces the NHL-ready guys in the org into the lineup.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 18, 2017, 02:07:09 PM
Leivo=Corrado.  And will be missed about as much once he's gone, I predict.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2017, 02:08:21 PM
He will end up selling cartoon balloons in town
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 18, 2017, 02:11:54 PM
Leivo=Corrado.  And will be missed about as much once he's gone, I predict.

In terms of being scratched maybe, but Leivo has proven he is an NHL caliber player, Corrado never has and likely never will.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Zee on October 18, 2017, 03:08:53 PM
Levio's situation with the Leafs will be cleared up this season one way or another.  If they don't play him enough games he'll become a UFA, if they play him enough games it means he's actually playing well and producing.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: mr grieves on October 18, 2017, 03:20:52 PM
Levio's situation with the Leafs will be cleared up this season one way or another.  If they don't play him enough games he'll become a UFA, if they play him enough games it means he's actually playing well and producing.

Of course, he's actually played well and produced already. So, odds are, they're going to let a good, productive RFA walk as a UFA -- at the same time they either let JvR, Bozak, and Komarov walk or re-sign one or more of them to inefficient contracts.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Frank E on October 18, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Levio's situation with the Leafs will be cleared up this season one way or another.  If they don't play him enough games he'll become a UFA, if they play him enough games it means he's actually playing well and producing.

Of course, he's actually played well and produced already. So, odds are, they're going to let a good, productive RFA walk as a UFA -- at the same time they either let JvR, Bozak, and Komarov walk or re-sign one or more of them to inefficient contracts.

I still think some of us are discounting the likelihood of injuries becoming an issue this year.  Last year was an anomaly.  It is far more likely that this year we will trend toward the mean, unfortunately.  I think Leivo will get into the lineup. 
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Bender on October 18, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
Whats up with this guy. It seems like all he is here for is to sit and watch. They protect him, they keep him up with the big team yet no game time, I am ready to see him in a few games. Any thoughts?.
Too much depth. They aren't going to get rid of Martin unfortunately. Our depth will save us when making a playoff run.

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Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: herman on October 26, 2017, 02:47:03 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/26/josh-leivo-get-shot-probably-needs-soon/

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/10/25/leivo-knows-the-score-in-leafs-waiting-game.html

Lots of words about Leivo and his situation, especially with a tantalizing window of opportunity cracking slightly open.

Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: disco on October 26, 2017, 06:18:53 PM
Apparently Josh has being working hard, has a great attitude. He's just the 13th forward right now on a club with no injuries.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: disco on November 24, 2017, 10:30:10 PM
Josh's goal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLObkht4hoc
Love how he changes his angle, props to the Borg on his assist.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: sickbeast on November 25, 2017, 06:45:28 PM
I think Leivo, Kapanen, and Moore are all here for when JVR and or Bozak get traded.  They're also good insurance against injuries.  Or they could be used as trade pieces.  Leivo is showing that he's a pretty good player.  Give him and Kapanen some more time and they could do a decent job filling in for JVR and Bozak.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 25, 2017, 06:52:01 PM
I think Leivo, Kapanen, and Moore are all here for when JVR and or Bozak get traded.  They're also good insurance against injuries.  Or they could be used as trade pieces.  Leivo is showing that he's a pretty good player.  Give him and Kapanen some more time and they could do a decent job filling in for JVR and Bozak.

For whatever reason he doesn't get much love around here but JVR's scoring is going to be hard to replace.  What he does well, he's pretty elite at.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 25, 2017, 07:20:16 PM
I think Leivo, Kapanen, and Moore are all here for when JVR and or Bozak get traded.  They're also good insurance against injuries.  Or they could be used as trade pieces.  Leivo is showing that he's a pretty good player.  Give him and Kapanen some more time and they could do a decent job filling in for JVR and Bozak.

For whatever reason he doesn't get much love around here but JVR's scoring is going to be hard to replace.  What he does well, he's pretty elite at.

I've never really seen a post here, including the one you just quoted, that advocated trading JVR because JVR isn't good.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: sickbeast on December 03, 2017, 12:37:20 PM
Leivo looked great to me in the game last night against Vancouver.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Dappleganger on December 03, 2017, 07:52:31 PM
I think the Leafs will end up retaining JVR with a $2m bump in his salary.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: princedpw on December 03, 2017, 11:53:59 PM
I think the Leafs will end up retaining JVR with a $2m bump in his salary.

Will that fit under the cap with new salaries to the 3 young ones?
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: Coco-puffs on December 04, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
I think the Leafs will end up retaining JVR with a $2m bump in his salary.

Will that fit under the cap with new salaries to the 3 young ones?

Next year, no problem as Matthews/Marner are still on their ELC next year.  Its the year after that it gets dicey:

- Matthews & Marner deals kick in.  If they cap out/LTIR next year, they also carry over Rookie Bonuses into '19-'20.  -
 And our only defensemen signed that far out are Rielly and Zaitsev.  (ie Gardiner would need a new deal). 

Luckily, Dermott and Liljegren will probably be in the NHL by then and will still be on their ELC.
Title: Re: Leivo...
Post by: sickbeast on February 04, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
Apparently Josh Leivo has asked to be traded if the Leafs aren't going to start playing him in the NHL.