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Title: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 04, 2017, 01:36:44 PM
Top 25 under 25 should be kicking into gear towards the end of the month.
Check out last season's thread (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=3992.0) to see the changes in our pipeline. It's not as drastic a difference as last offseason's makeover. This offseason is still young and the situation in certain tiers is still fluid.

2017 Eligible:2017's list2016's list
Adam Brooks
Andreas Borgman
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Auston Matthews
Calle Rosen
Carl Grundstrom
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Dakota Joshua
Dmytro Timashov
Eemeli Rasanen
Fedor Gordeev
Frederik Gauthier
Garret Sparks
Ian Scott
Jack Walker Released
JD Greenway
Jeremy Bracco
Jesper Lindgren
JJ Piccinich
Joseph Woll
Josh Leivo
Kasmir Kaskisuo
Kasperi Kapanen
Keaton Middleton
Kerby Rychel
Martins Dzierkals
Miro Aaltonen
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Nicolas Mattinen
Nikita Soshnikov
Nikolai Chebykin
Nolan Vesey
Pierre Engvall
Rinat Valiev
Ryan McGregor
Ryan O'Connell
Timothy Liljegren
Tobias Lindberg
Travis Dermott
Trevor Moore
Vladimir Boblyev
Vladislav Kara
William Nylander
Yegor Korshkov
Zach Hyman Old
25. Rinat Valiev (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/7/31/16019424/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-rinat-valiev-toronto-marlies) | Joseph Woll (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/7/31/16026696/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-joseph-woll-boston-college-hockey-ncaa-hockey)
24. Garret Sparks (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/1/16014774/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-garret-sparks-toronto-marlies)
23. Eemeli Rasanen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/2/16002898/2017-top-25-under-25-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-eemeli-rasanen-2017-maple-leafs-draft-picks)
22. Yegor Korshkov (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/3/16026556/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-yegor-korshkov-khl-lokomotiv-yaroslavl)
21. Miro Aaltonen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/4/16026622/2017-top-25-under-25-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-miro-aaltonen-shl-toronto-marlies)
20. Dmytro Timashov (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/7/16027108/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-dmytro-timashov-toronto-marlies)
19. Andrew Nielsen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/8/16092366/2017-toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-andrew-nielsen-checks-in-at-19)
18. Kerby Rychel (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/9/16105344/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-kerby-rychel-marlies-nhl-top-25)
17. Calle Rosen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/10/16080714/2017-top-25-under-25-17-calle-rosen-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-free-agent-signing-toronto-marlies)
16. Andreas Borgman (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/11/16024998/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-andreas-borgman-shl-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects)
15. Adam Brooks (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/14/16112568/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-adam-brooks-top-25-under-25)
14. Nikita Soshnikov (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/15/16141580/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-top-25-under-25-nikita-soshnikov-toronto-marlies)
13. Jeremy Bracco (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/16/16027154/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-toronto-marlies-windsor-spitfires)
12. Carl Grundstrom (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/17/16101832/2017-top-25-under-25-12-carl-grundstrom-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-liam-neeson)
11. Andreas Johnsson (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/18/16140488/2017-top-25-under-25-11-andreas-johnsson-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-sniper-ahl-marlies)
10. Travis Dermott (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/8/21/16175956/2017-top-25-under-25-what-could-push-10-travis-dermott-into-the-nhl-lineup)
9. Josh Leivo (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/22/16094676/2017-toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-josh-leivo-is-back-for-one-last-time-at-9)
8. Connor Carrick (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/23/16179248/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-top-25-under-25-connor-carrick-checks-in-at-8)
7. Timothy Liljegren (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/24/16136640/2017-top-25-under-25-7-timothy-liljegren-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-2017-nhl-draft-marlies)
6. Connor Brown (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/25/16027464/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-connor-brown-new-contract-2017-18-nhl-season-stats)
5. Kasperi Kapanen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/28/16155890/2017-top-25-under-25-kasperi-kapanen-toronto-marlies-maple-leafs-prospects)
4. Morgan Rielly (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/29/16102030/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-morgan-rielly-toronto-maple-leafs-defence)
3. Mitch Marner (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/30/16172258/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-top-25-under-25-mitch-marner-number-3)
2. William Nylander (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/30/16110792/2017-top-25-under-25-2-william-nylander-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-superstar)
1. Auston Matthews (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/31/16008110/2017-toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-auston-matthews-rookie-records-arizona-hockey)
25. Yegor Korshkov (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/8/12358958/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-yegor-korshkov-starts-things-off-at-no-25)
24. Martins Dzierkals (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/9/12351400/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-martins-dzierkals-wins-his-way-to-no-24)
23. Carl Grundstrom (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/10/12392012/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-carl-grundstrom-debuts-at-23)
22. Andrew Neilsen (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/11/12383156/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-andrew-nielsen-works-his-way-to-no-22)
21. Rinat Valiev (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/8/12/12418908/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-welcome-to-21st-rinat-valiev)
20. Tobias Lindberg (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/15/12405604/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-tobias-lindberg-comes-in-at-no-20)
19. Travis Dermott (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/16/12385964/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-travis-dermott-rises-to-no-19)
18. Josh Leivo (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/17/12390854/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-josh-leivo-falls-back-to-18)
17. Brendan Leipsic (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/18/12441244/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-brendan-leipsic-is-number-17-now-let-spike-go-scott) - Vegas'd
16. Jeremy Bracco (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/8/19/12519020/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-jeremy-bracco-is-16th)
15. Zach Hyman (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/22/12392756/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-zach-hyman-breaks-through-at-no-15)
14. Frank Corrado (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/8/23/12585764/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-frank-corrado-is-14th) - traded
13. Dmytro Timashov (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/8/24/12583406/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-dmytro-timashov-is-lucky-13)
12. Andreas Johnson (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/25/12516186/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-andreas-johnson-lands-in-north-america-at-no-12)
11. Kerby Rychel (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/26/12572480/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-kerby-rychel-is-no-11)
10. Nikita Soshnikov (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/8/29/12650444/maple-leafs-top-25-nikita-soshnikov-marlies)
9. Kasperi Kapanen (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/8/30/12696692/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-kasperi-kapanen-is-10th)
8. Martin Marincin (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/8/31/12492456/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-martin-marincin-is-no-8)
7. Connor Carrick (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/9/1/12709786/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-7-connor-carrick)
6. Nikita Zaitsev (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/9/2/12720998/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-nikita-zaitsev-debuts-at-number-6)
5. Connor Brown (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/9/5/12750456/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-top-5-kicks-off-with-connor-brown)
4. Morgan Rielly (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/9/6/12467708/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-morgan-rielly-stars-at-no-4)
3. Mitch Marner (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/9/7/12573936/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-mitch-marner-moves-up-to-no-3)
2. William Nylander (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/9/8/12659008/top-25-under-25-william-nylander-is-no-2)
1. Auston Matthews (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2016/9/9/12782046/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-auston-matthews-unanimously-named-no-1) (duh)


TLN's top 20 (Calder-eligible) prospects
2017
2016
20. Nikolai Chebykin (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/16/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-20-nikolai-chebykin/)
19. Vladimir Bobylev/Bobylyov (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/17/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-19-vladimir-bobylyov/)
18. Jesper Lindgren (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/18/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-18-jesper-lindgren/)
17. Justin Holl (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/21/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-17-justin-holl/)
16. JD Greenway (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/22/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-16-james-jd-greenway/)
15. Trevor Moore (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/23/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-15-trevor-moore/)
14. Miro Aaltonen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/24/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-14-miro-aaltonen/)
13. Calle Rosen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/25/tln-top-20-prospects-ranking-13-calle-rosen/)
12. Andreas Borgman (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-12-andreas-borgman/)
11. Dmytro Timashov (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-20-prospects-ranking-2017-11-dmytro-timashov/)
10. Eemeli Rasanen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/30/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-10-eemeli-rasanen/)
9. Yegor Korshkov (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/31/top-20-prospects-ranking-2017-9-yegor-korshkov/)
8. Andreas Johnsson (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/04/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-8-andreas-johnsson/)
7. Joseph Woll (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/05/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-7-joseph-woll/)
6. Andrew Nielsen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/06/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-6-andrew-nielsen/)
5. Adam Brooks (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/07/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-5-adam-brooks/)
4. Jeremy Bracco (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/08/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-4-jeremy-bracco)
3. Carl Grundstrom (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/11/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-3-carl-grundstrom/)
2. Travis Dermott (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/12/tln-top-ten-prospect-rankings-2017-2-travis-dermott/)
1. Timothy Liljegren (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/13/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-1-timothy-liljegren/)
20. Garret Sparks (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/8/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-20-garret-sparks)
19. Kasmir Kaskisuo (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/9/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-19-kasimir-kaskisuo)
18. Adam Brooks (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/10/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-18-adam-brooks)
17. Yegor Korshkov (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/11/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-17-yegor-korshkov)
16. Tobias Lindberg (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/12/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-16-tobias-lindberg)
15. Andrew Nielsen (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/15/tln-top-prospects-2016-15-andrew-nielsen)
14. Carl Grundstrom (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/16/tln-top-prospects-2016-14-carl-grundstrom)
13. Zach Hyman (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/17/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-13-zach-hyman)
12. Brendan Leipsic (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/18/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-12-brendan-leipsic)
11. Jeremy Bracco (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/19/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-11-jeremy-bracco)
10. Nikita Soshnikov (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/22/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-10-nikita-soshnikov)
9. Travis Dermott (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/23/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-9-travis-dermott)
8. Dmytro Timashov (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/24/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-8-dmytro-timashov)
7. Andreas Johnson (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/25/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-7-andreas-johnson)
6. Connor Brown (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/26/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-6-connor-brown)
5. Kasperi Kapanen (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/29/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-5-kasperi-kapanen)
4. Nikita Zaitsev (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/30/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-4-nikita-zaitsev)
3. William Nylander (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/31/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-3-william-nylander)
2. Mitch Marner (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/9/1/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-2-mitch-marner)
1. Auston Matthews (http://theleafsnation.com/2016/9/2/tln-top-20-prospects-2016-1-auston-matthews)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 07, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
Dev camp starting up today.

I'm a bit bummed by this though:
www.twitter.com/MikeInBuffalo/status/883336734804725760

KHL/VHL/MHL schedule doesn't really give us that window for them to come over.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Zee on July 07, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
Mike In Buffalo is breaking Leafs news now?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 07, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
Mike In Buffalo is breaking Leafs news now?

So weird, right?

www.twitter.com/HennyTweets/status/883366041815891968

This is more like it.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 07, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
www.twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/883366889006792704

www.twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/883386702445916161

As someone who is currently growing out his hair to donate (http://www.locksoflove.org), I can say for certain that going with the hair down while playing hockey is a great way to overheat.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 07, 2017, 03:29:40 PM

Have to say, I wasn't the biggest fan of the new logo when they introduced it but it's growing on me.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 07, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
www.twitter.com/TSN_Jeremy/status/883366309907529730

Hard to tell from this angle, but Liljegren looks fast.

This is Rasanen in reverse:
www.twitter.com/DaveAMcCarthy/status/883368419831279621
He is so tall that it had to be filmed in portrait mode.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 07, 2017, 03:42:20 PM
Dev camp roster has been split into two teams: Clark and Sittler.
Team Clark is comprised of Leafs draft picks and Marlies. Team Sittler is mostly camp invites and ECHL guys.

www.twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/883331461931315200

According to Scott Pellerin, the plan is to give the invites a better opportunity to showcase their abilities, rather than using them as filler around the prospects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-hpc0gKOSU
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: L K on July 07, 2017, 04:41:32 PM
Dev camp starting up today.

I'm a bit bummed by this though:
www.twitter.com/MikeInBuffalo/status/883336734804725760

KHL/VHL/MHL schedule doesn't really give us that window for them to come over.

I'm pretty sure this just confirms that Kara was a made up player.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Highlander on July 07, 2017, 05:11:55 PM

Have to say, I wasn't the biggest fan of the new logo when they introduced it but it's growing on me.
Hi Nik, one thing we could agree on it is suspiciously like some of the logos of when the Leafs actually won Cups.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 07, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Hi Nik, one thing we could agree on it is suspiciously like some of the logos of when the Leafs actually won Cups.

Going for a faux-retro thing is one of the things I didn't really like about it.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 08, 2017, 08:23:42 AM
Dev camp starting up today.

I'm a bit bummed by this though:
www.twitter.com/MikeInBuffalo/status/883336734804725760

KHL/VHL/MHL schedule doesn't really give us that window for them to come over.

I'm pretty sure this just confirms that Kara was a made up player.

I heard he's being coached by Taro Tsujimoto.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 08, 2017, 07:43:24 PM
www.twitter.com/MikeInBuffalo/status/883699481019121664

Brooks banks it in off Woll after the save too.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on July 10, 2017, 07:47:07 AM
Hi Nik, one thing we could agree on it is suspiciously like some of the logos of when the Leafs actually won Cups.

Going for a faux-retro thing is one of the things I didn't really like about it.

This was my major criticism as well.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 11, 2017, 02:27:26 PM
www.twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/884801234359783425

Team Leafs Prospects scrimmaged against Team Free Agents.

Vladimir Bobylev (Blue #56), the forgotten 5th rounder from 2016's draft, cleans up the garbage in tight off a Liljegren (Blue #48) point shot. He's got good size, wheels, and hands. I think for him it'll be a matter of getting consistent reps (he was relegated to 4th line hitter minutes in the KHL) and focused development work, as the tools are there.

Edit: got the wrong number there. 56 is Bobylev. 38 is Dakota Joshua.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 11, 2017, 02:56:44 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/11/15953846/maple-leafs-first-development-camp-scrimmage-had-a-surprise-star-line

Team Free Agents pulled ahead on the backs of their top line of:
Pospisil - Rueschhoff - Tortora

Pretty sure these are Pokemon.

Edit: and if you're paying attention to these clips, the d-man getting crushed by this line, or serving up turnovers and danishes to sabotage his partner is Nicolas Mattinen (#55).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on July 11, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/11/15953846/maple-leafs-first-development-camp-scrimmage-had-a-surprise-star-line

Team Free Agents pulled ahead on the backs of their top line of:
Pospisil - Rueschhoff - Tortora

Pretty sure these are Pokemon.

Edit: and if you're paying attention to these clips, the d-man getting crushed by this line, or serving up turnovers and danishes to sabotage his partner is Nicolas Mattinen (#55).

It's really incredible that Pospisil can go from pro tennis to pro hockey...what an athlete.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 12, 2017, 04:11:10 PM
Bracco is taking this following Marner's footsteps a bit too far. He has been diagnosed with mono.


Better getting it now than getting it in the run up to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 12, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
We also have confirmation from Lou that Jack Walker wasn't given a qualifying offer, so one year after he was drafted as an overager, he is a free agent. He attended Minnesota's development camp (where he's from).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 12, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
By the way, just because it was brought up in another thread but if we were ranking our prospects right now I think pretty unquestionably the top forward prospect we have is Kapanen and our top defensive prospect, probably by a significant degree, is Liljegren. Actually, I'd say both guys are considerably secure in their #1 spots with maybe Bracco or Dermott being pretty distant seconds.

Which is to say that A) the prospect pool isn't terribly deep right now and B) if we're planning deals around prospects, those are the guys teams are going to ask for.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2017, 04:21:39 PM
We also have confirmation from Lou that Jack Walker wasn't given a qualifying offer, so one year after he was drafted as an overager, he is a free agent. He attended Minnesota's development camp (where he's from).

They're gonna write books about our 2016 draft one day, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 12, 2017, 04:27:45 PM
Just to take it further to top non-NHL prospect by position

Johnsson - Brooks - Kapanen
Dermott - Liljegren
Woll

LW is a bit of a toss-up depending on how you'd measure the ranking: likelihood to make the NHL? ceiling at the NHL? Likelihood to make the Leafs under Babcock?

Along with Johnsson, I'd put Grundstrom and Timashov there as options, but both of them have a smaller body of work with the Marlies. Rychel, while currently probably better, is, I believe, pretty much at his ceiling (4th line with a pop of skill occasionally).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 12, 2017, 04:32:10 PM
Rychel, while currently probably better, is, I believe, pretty much at his ceiling (4th line with a pop of skill occasionally).

He's also at an age where the application of the term prospect is debatable.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 12, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
He's also at an age where the application of the term prospect is debatable.

He's 22 going on 23 later this year, which is younger than I expected.

Also 1994-born: Johnsson, Rosen
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 12, 2017, 04:46:51 PM
He's 22 going on 23 later this year, which is younger than I expected.

I'm not sure what you were expecting of a guy who just finished his 3rd AHL season but I think 23 is right around where the idea of a ton of individual development is unlikely.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 12, 2017, 04:57:53 PM

Also, re: the general weakness of the prospect pool that's obviously to be expected more or less with the team's big improvement last year being mainly driven by guys graduating from the pool itself but we should keep in mind that what the trading of 2nd and 1sts has done, as well as the team's hipster drafting of guys nobody's heard of, has meant is that they not only don't have any A guys left they really don't have any B guys either(Liljegren being the only one really).

So that's why we need to be careful about the idea of tossing in the 2018 1st rounder into trade ideas. Building up a group of those B-level prospects is going to be important for the team to compete in a post-triplet extension world. Effectively, the team made all of the picks and prospects for immediate help they can already between moves like Andersen and Boyle.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Andy on July 12, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
He's also at an age where the application of the term prospect is debatable.

He's 22 going on 23 later this year, which is younger than I expected.

Also 1994-born: Johnsson, Rosen

Yea, I thought he was easily 24. He's actually almost half a year younger than Leipsic (another 3-year AHL vet).

I think the term prospect still fits. Kadri was 22/23, coming off of his 3rd AHL stint when he broke out for the Leafs.



Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 12, 2017, 06:55:36 PM
I think the term prospect still fits. Kadri was 22/23, coming off of his 3rd AHL stint when he broke out for the Leafs.

Kadri's first solid NHL year was his draft +4 year, this is going to be Rychel's draft +5 year and he's coming off a year where he was a less productive AHL player than Kadri ever was.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on July 12, 2017, 11:52:20 PM
Bracco is taking this following Marner's footsteps a bit too far. He has been diagnosed with mono.


Better getting it now than getting it in the run up to the playoffs.
What is up with hockey players and mono? I've never had mono nor do I know anyone who's had mono.

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on July 12, 2017, 11:53:10 PM
We also have confirmation from Lou that Jack Walker wasn't given a qualifying offer, so one year after he was drafted as an overager, he is a free agent. He attended Minnesota's development camp (where he's from).
Why are we wasting our picks on crap? Honestly.

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on July 12, 2017, 11:57:49 PM
Also to add Tyler Dellow had a mailbag today and mentioned people keep calling players prospects for far longer than they should.

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: bustaheims on July 13, 2017, 09:00:27 AM
We also have confirmation from Lou that Jack Walker wasn't given a qualifying offer, so one year after he was drafted as an overager, he is a free agent. He attended Minnesota's development camp (where he's from).
Why are we wasting our picks on crap? Honestly.

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To be fair, he was a 6th round pick - which is a crapshoot as it is.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 09:16:11 AM
We also have confirmation from Lou that Jack Walker wasn't given a qualifying offer, so one year after he was drafted as an overager, he is a free agent. He attended Minnesota's development camp (where he's from).
Why are we wasting our picks on crap? Honestly.

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To be fair, he was a 6th round pick - which is a crapshoot as it is.

It was a reasonable enough gamble:
SeasonAgeGPGAPTS
2012-13165891322
2013-1417487815
2014-151870183755
2015-161972364884
2016-172070314172

Look at the ramp up from D-1 to D+1 in production and it looks a lot like there was some upswing there, especially on a player with great wheels and transitioning from defense to forward.

He tapered off, and thus didn't warrant a fringe contract. Same with Korostelev and Desrocher. If Walker was our 3rd rounder, I might have more questions for Hunter. That being said, lower round picks are projects by definition, and projects need more time, so where's the wisdom in going with an overager without runway at that depth of the draft?

As it stands, I would have rather shed fringe NHL contracts as soon as I could instead of letting the clock run out on these projects, as they didn't really get a chance to even make it into our development system.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 09:32:39 AM
He's 22 going on 23 later this year, which is younger than I expected.

I'm not sure what you were expecting of a guy who just finished his 3rd AHL season but I think 23 is right around where the idea of a ton of individual development is unlikely.

I wasn't disagreeing. Just thought Rychel was older based on his plateaued development (my guess was also 24), which was surprising because I still see growth potential in Johnsson (higher ceiling).

Out of curiosity, here's who was drafted +/- 5 of Rychel (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2013e.html):
Wennberg
Pulock
Zadorov
Lazar
Mueller
Rychel
Mantha
Gauthier
Poirier
Burakovsky
Shinkaruk

Down a couple more slots are Shea Theodore and Marko Dano.
Jury's still out on Mantha (looks decent though), and other than the bolded two, this chunk of the draft looks pretty much cooked.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 13, 2017, 09:43:54 AM
Down a couple more slots are Shea Theodore and Marko Dano.
Jury's still out on Mantha (looks decent though), and other than the bolded two, this chunk of the draft looks pretty much cooked.

It's funny, that draft looks crazy good #1-14 and then, like you say, not much after.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 12:31:38 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/invitees-upstage-draft-picks-at-leafs-development-camp-1.803276

Kristen Shilton with a writeup on the development camp stand outs.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 02:50:20 PM
Fun thought about the format of the dev camp: free agents vs prospects -- it's almost a Dubas vs Hunter scrimmage.

The idea for the format was largely Dubas + Pellerin, and the longshots that got a chance with the camp were Dubas-ian picks of underrated talent. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the available ones get a look with the Solar Bears and/or Marlies, a la Trevor Moore last season.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 18, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
Really good video and info about Nikolai Chebykin (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=300931) on r/leafs (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/6nwih5/201617_prospect_highlights_nikolai_chebykin_182nd/).

He's got size, speed, and skill, and it looks like he wrecked his junior league, and had a strong showing in the minor league after getting the usual KHL garbage treatment.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Highlander on July 18, 2017, 05:51:06 PM
Really good video and info about Nikolai Chebykin (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=300931) on r/leafs (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/6nwih5/201617_prospect_highlights_nikolai_chebykin_182nd/).

He's got size, speed, and skill, and it looks like he wrecked his junior league, and had a strong showing in the minor league after getting the usual KHL garbage treatment.
Hopefully a Diamond in the rough!
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Big Daddy on July 18, 2017, 11:01:40 PM
If he is only 19 why cant he play for the London Nights
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 19, 2017, 01:00:39 AM
More on Chebykin's situation:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/12/15955736/toronto-maple-leafs-draft-pick-nickolai-chebykin-is-in-limbo-marlies-development-camp
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 21, 2017, 01:20:13 PM
More on Chebykin's situation:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/12/15955736/toronto-maple-leafs-draft-pick-nickolai-chebykin-is-in-limbo-marlies-development-camp

And now he has a new home with SKA-NEVA, CSKA St. Petersburgh's VHL team, for the next two years. I don't know that he'll get an opportunity with the KHL in that time due to CKSA's mad depth; they have been bleeding players to the NHL the past two seasons though.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 24, 2017, 09:17:47 AM
HERE WE GO! This is the best part of the offseason for me.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/7/24/15983968/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-no-love-for-the-bottom-half-of-the-draw

Here are the ones that did not make the cut, and literally did not receive any votes whatsoever. A lot of it has to do with
a) we have a lot of young/prospect depth (some of them are not prospects per se)
b) We've been drafting a lot more (numerically) than in seasons past
c) 2016-2017 drafts were a lot of unknown players and PPP has limited, if any insider knowledge

I think it's perfectly fine that some of the players on this particular list fly under our collective radars. Some of these are probably in the trade bucket (Lindberg). I'm looking forward to seeing where Bobylev, Chebykin, and Kara slot in once we get more eyeballs on them.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 28, 2017, 11:12:45 AM
PPP is just dragging this week out with names that didn't make the cut (but got some tail end votes): Dakota Joshua, JJ Piccinich, Trevor Moore. I'm guessing there'll be one more cut tomorrow (Aaltonen? Valiev? Sparks? Rasanen?) as the list is now at 26.

Still eligibles:
Adam Brooks
Andreas Borgman
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Auston Matthews
Calle Rosen
Carl Grundstrom
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Dmytro Timashov
Eemeli Rasanen
Garret Sparks
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Josh Leivo
Kasperi Kapanen
Kerby Rychel
Miro Aaltonen
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Nikita Soshnikov
Rinat Valiev
Timothy Liljegren
Travis Dermott
William Nylander
Yegor Korshkov
Cut:
Dakota Joshua
Fedor Gordeev
Frederik Gauthier
Ian Scott
JD Greenway
Jesper Lindgren
JJ Piccinich
Kasmir Kaskisuo
Keaton Middleton
Martins Dzierkals
Nicolas Mattinen
Nikolai Chebykin
Nolan Vesey
Pierre Engvall
Ryan McGregor
Ryan O'Connell
Tobias Lindberg
Trevor Moore
Vladimir Boblyev
Vladislav Kara
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 28, 2017, 12:26:20 PM
Out of that list, the name that sticks out as never going to reach beyond his current standing is Valiev, who is at this point probably an average AHL defenseman and with other options available, I don't see him sniffing the NHL again through Toronto. 

Everyone else on the list probably can still sniff the NHL (if they aren't already there), even though I doubt more than 5 of the players listed below #8 are full-time NHLers during their career.  (Some others will get call-ups, but will not be everyday players.  Some of the wingers probably won't get a sniff of the Maple Leafs, but on teams with less winger depth they may see it down the road)

Anyways, my ranking:

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Timothy Liljegren
Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Carl Grundstrom
Travis Dermott
Adam Brooks
Josh Leivo
Andreas Borgman
Miro Aaltonen
Nikita Soshnikov
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Kerby Rychel
Calle Rosen
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Garret Sparks
Yegor Korshkov
Eemeli Rasanen
Dmytro Timashov
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Zee on July 28, 2017, 01:16:33 PM
Out of that list, the name that sticks out as never going to reach beyond his current standing is Valiev, who is at this point probably an average AHL defenseman and with other options available, I don't see him sniffing the NHL again through Toronto. 

Everyone else on the list probably can still sniff the NHL (if they aren't already there), even though I doubt more than 5 of the players listed below #8 are full-time NHLers during their career.  (Some others will get call-ups, but will not be everyday players.  Some of the wingers probably won't get a sniff of the Maple Leafs, but on teams with less winger depth they may see it down the road)

Anyways, my ranking:

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Timothy Liljegren
Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Carl Grundstrom
Travis Dermott
Adam Brooks
Josh Leivo
Andreas Borgman
Miro Aaltonen
Nikita Soshnikov
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Kerby Rychel
Calle Rosen
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Garret Sparks
Yegor Korshkov
Eemeli Rasanen
Dmytro Timashov

Are you saying Liljegren should make the team this season?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 28, 2017, 02:27:04 PM
Out of that list, the name that sticks out as never going to reach beyond his current standing is Valiev, who is at this point probably an average AHL defenseman and with other options available, I don't see him sniffing the NHL again through Toronto. 

Everyone else on the list probably can still sniff the NHL (if they aren't already there), even though I doubt more than 5 of the players listed below #8 are full-time NHLers during their career.  (Some others will get call-ups, but will not be everyday players.  Some of the wingers probably won't get a sniff of the Maple Leafs, but on teams with less winger depth they may see it down the road)

Anyways, my ranking:

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Timothy Liljegren
Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Carl Grundstrom
Travis Dermott
Adam Brooks
Josh Leivo
Andreas Borgman
Miro Aaltonen
Nikita Soshnikov
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Kerby Rychel
Calle Rosen
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Garret Sparks
Yegor Korshkov
Eemeli Rasanen
Dmytro Timashov

Are you saying Liljegren should make the team this season?

Nope.  The list is not a ranking of each player as they sit exactly today, but a ranking of them as prospects (even if they are already in the NHL) including their progression towards their potential.  Hence, two years ago William Nylander was ranked #2 ahead of Gardiner and Kadri but he wasn't yet NHL ready. 

Similarily, while Connor Brown is a better player than Kapanen today, Kapanen still has time to take one or two big steps in his development while Connor Brown has reached the incremental stages of his development (room for small improvements, but most of his development is done by this age).  Hence I have Kapanen higher than him.

Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 28, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
Out of that list, the name that sticks out as never going to reach beyond his current standing is Valiev, who is at this point probably an average AHL defenseman and with other options available, I don't see him sniffing the NHL again through Toronto. 

I agree.

Anyways, my ranking:

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Timothy Liljegren
Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Carl Grundstrom
Travis Dermott
Adam Brooks
Josh Leivo
Andreas Borgman
Miro Aaltonen
Nikita Soshnikov
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Kerby Rychel
Calle Rosen
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Garret Sparks
Yegor Korshkov
Eemeli Rasanen
Dmytro Timashov

The top of our list is very similar (not that I've written mine down or anything). In the middle and bottom, I have Timashov, Johnsson, Korshkov in the middle, and Soshnikov, Aaltonen, Rychel towards the bottom. I think my rankings tend towards top-9 viability, rather than just NHL-ing. So someone like Rychel and Soshnikov have a really good likelihood of sticking on a fourth line due to play style, whereas Timashov and Johnsson really have to push for a line with scoring opportunities and might be less likely to make it.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 28, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
Out of that list, the name that sticks out as never going to reach beyond his current standing is Valiev, who is at this point probably an average AHL defenseman and with other options available, I don't see him sniffing the NHL again through Toronto. 

I agree.

Anyways, my ranking:

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Timothy Liljegren
Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Carl Grundstrom
Travis Dermott
Adam Brooks
Josh Leivo
Andreas Borgman
Miro Aaltonen
Nikita Soshnikov
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Kerby Rychel
Calle Rosen
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Garret Sparks
Yegor Korshkov
Eemeli Rasanen
Dmytro Timashov

The top of our list is very similar (not that I've written mine down or anything). In the middle and bottom, I have Timashov, Johnsson, Korshkov in the middle, and Soshnikov, Aaltonen, Rychel towards the bottom. I think my rankings tend towards top-9 viability, rather than just NHL-ing. So someone like Rychel and Soshnikov have a really good likelihood of sticking on a fourth line due to play style, whereas Timashov and Johnsson really have to push for a line with scoring opportunities and might be less likely to make it.

Yeah, our philosiphies on where to place 4th line territory but closer to NHL vs Top 9 territory but unlikely to make it is a bit different.  But on some of the players you mentioned I don't see them the same way as you:

Soshnikov - He's already a 4th line player if he can stay healthy (aside from us having too much winger depth).  The question is, can he be the 8th or 9th forward in your top 9 doing grunt work (like Komarov/Hyman).  His potential is still above a 4th liner.  For that reason, I find it difficult to put a player who has a low probability of making it ahead of him. 

Timashov - I like his skill alot.  But I think the probability of him making it is quite low.  Probably lower than your outlook.  I do hope I'm wrong.

Aaltonen - I don't see him as a 4th line ceiling type of player.  I do think he has much more offensive skill / speed that he could fill in in a sheltered scoring role (ie Bozak's spot in the lineup).  I do think they signed him specifically to be able to call up a center who can actually provide some scoring should injuries mount.  Our skilled center depth basically goes Matthews - Kadri - Bozak - Nylander - Aaltonen - Brooks. 

Rychel - I don't think his ceiling is just as a 4th liner.  Much of what I said about Sosh applies, but I do think he's a step behind Sosh in terms of attaining it hence he's a few spots lower.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 28, 2017, 04:45:23 PM
Yeah, our philosiphies on where to place 4th line territory but closer to NHL vs Top 9 territory but unlikely to make it is a bit different.  But on some of the players you mentioned I don't see them the same way as you:

Our difference of opinion might also have to do with preferred playstyles too. It's fun to discuss!

Soshnikov - He's already a 4th line player if he can stay healthy (aside from us having too much winger depth).  The question is, can he be the 8th or 9th forward in your top 9 doing grunt work (like Komarov/Hyman).  His potential is still above a 4th liner.  For that reason, I find it difficult to put a player who has a low probability of making it ahead of him. 

Sosh is great for PK and stirring poop emojis. What I don't really like about his game is his lack of ability to generate or complement. What he does instead is shoot, shoot, shoot, from any and everywhere. It's a good shot, but unless he's willing to take the puck into better spots than the blue line or half wall, we have better options.

Timashov - I like his skill alot.  But I think the probability of him making it is quite low.  Probably lower than your outlook.  I do hope I'm wrong.

Speaking of better options: I really like Timashov's puck patience. He also has crazy strength for his size (like Kulemin, but with hands). I'm looking for a breakout season from him this year as he got squashed in the crush of wingers these past two years. It's really too bad Nylander didn't get much of a go at his last WJ, because he and Timashov had some magic zip going.

Aaltonen - I don't see him as a 4th line ceiling type of player.  I do think he has much more offensive skill / speed that he could fill in in a sheltered scoring role (ie Bozak's spot in the lineup).  I do think they signed him specifically to be able to call up a center who can actually provide some scoring should injuries mount.  Our skilled center depth basically goes Matthews - Kadri - Bozak - Nylander - Aaltonen - Brooks. 

I haven't seen enough of him to truly comment, but I agree with you as his numbers look like he would be very adequate call up depth in an area of weakness for the Leafs.

Rychel - I don't think his ceiling is just as a 4th liner.  Much of what I said about Sosh applies, but I do think he's a step behind Sosh in terms of attaining it hence he's a few spots lower.

I see Rychel as plug-in depth, 4th line if his defensive game steps up a bit. His wheels are not optimal for the way our team plays, whereas Korshkov and Johnsson both have a lot of get-up-and-go. Johnsson in particular has been a defensive standout for the Marlies (according to Justin Bourne).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 28, 2017, 04:47:24 PM

Korshkov - I'm not entirely sure he exists.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 28, 2017, 04:56:03 PM

Korshkov - I'm not entirely sure he exists.

I saw a video of him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYgcUDillVM
but Photoshop is so powerful these days.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 28, 2017, 05:01:01 PM

Korshkov - I'm not entirely sure he exists.

I saw a video of him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYgcUDillVM
but Photoshop is so powerful these days.

Don't you mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJjUt2sXo5o
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 28, 2017, 05:06:58 PM
Don't you mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJjUt2sXo5o

Isn't that Vladislav Kara?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 28, 2017, 05:12:51 PM
Isn't that Vladislav Kara?

Fun fact: Vladislav Kara is "Doctor Griffin" loosely translated into Russian.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 28, 2017, 05:31:32 PM
Isn't that Vladislav Kara?

Fun fact: Vladislav Kara is "Doctor Griffin" loosely translated into Russian.

Oh this is his video then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpkX-5VXWQs
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 29, 2017, 11:36:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHQEyX4vGnI

Liljegren and Woll were in action today for a WJSS match.
Woll played the first half and ceded the net with 1 GA on 13 shots.
Liljegren had a goal and an assist.

There was also this gaffe early on in the game where Liljegren keeps the gap on his man, but takes out his defense partner in the process for an open shot and goal against:
www.twitter.com/TheDraftAnalyst/status/891401247902900224
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 31, 2017, 09:08:37 AM
25. Rinat Valiev (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/7/31/16019424/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-rinat-valiev-toronto-marlies)

And Valiev makes the cut! I see him as injury replacement at best. He looked pretty good at times last last season (he can skate, hold the puck, shoot for rebounds), but his consistency took a hit this past season (injuries contributed, but so did getting obviously outplayed by Dermott).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on July 31, 2017, 10:47:38 AM
Also 25. Joseph Woll (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/7/31/16026696/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-joseph-woll-boston-college-hockey-ncaa-hockey)

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Our first goaltender on the list is one of our most punnable prospects, and was getting scored on by Auston Matthews before it was cool. Joseph Woll was the first goalie drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs since Antoine Bibeau in 2013
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on July 31, 2017, 11:06:34 AM
whaaaaaaattttt....
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on July 31, 2017, 11:10:30 AM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/a10578ea657628b002409314359e968c/tenor.gif)

It's a tie! ....which basically means the principal author just really wanted Woll on the list.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Britishbulldog on July 31, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
whaaaaaaattttt....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/o52HuMcn7DMZy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 01, 2017, 08:39:22 AM
24. Garret Sparks (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/1/16014774/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-garret-sparks-toronto-marlies)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 01, 2017, 08:55:34 AM

Look, I'll say it. I see all the time people coming up with top 5 or top 10 lists and including 12 or 13 as "ties" because it's "too hard to choose". This is a matter of fundamental moral decay of wishy-washy entitledness. Make hard choices, or make it a top 11 or top 6 list. Have a tie-breaker. There are no rules here, you're writing a list on the internet. 

Society is crumbling people. Crumbling.

Also, Sparks seems like an odd guy to make it.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 01, 2017, 09:09:08 AM
I'm not very high on Sparks either, but going by the body of work and visibility available... who do we put over Sparks?

Dakota Joshua
Fedor Gordeev
Frederik Gauthier
Ian Scott
JD Greenway
Jesper Lindgren
JJ Piccinich
Kasmir Kaskisuo
Keaton Middleton
Martins Dzierkals
Nicolas Mattinen
Nikolai Chebykin
Nolan Vesey
Pierre Engvall
Ryan McGregor
Ryan O'Connell
Tobias Lindberg
Trevor Moore
Vladimir Boblyev
Vladislav Kara

I am bolding my options over Sparks.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 01, 2017, 09:28:49 AM
I'm not very high on Sparks either, but going by the body of work and visibility available... who do we put over Sparks?

Dakota Joshua
Fedor Gordeev
Frederik Gauthier
Ian Scott
JD Greenway
Jesper Lindgren
JJ Piccinich
Kasmir Kaskisuo
Keaton Middleton
Martins Dzierkals
Nicolas Mattinen
Nikolai Chebykin
Nolan Vesey
Pierre Engvall
Ryan McGregor
Ryan O'Connell
Tobias Lindberg
Trevor Moore
Vladimir Boblyev
Vladislav Kara

I am bolding my options over Sparks.

I would have included one of the 2017 draft picks whose existence we're certain of, like O'Connell or McGregor. Their age alone means that their ceiling should be higher than a guy like Sparks', even if they are a long, long ways away. And if I had to put in an older guy I would have went with Gauthier there. I think he's closer to becoming a 4th line NHL centre than Sparks is to becoming a NHL back-up.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 01, 2017, 09:29:58 AM
I'm not very high on Sparks either, but going by the body of work and visibility available... who do we put over Sparks?

I'd add Greenway to your choices. Or you go with Kara and then, boom, you're back down to 25.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 01, 2017, 09:58:44 AM
I would have included one of the 2017 draft picks whose existence we're certain of, like O'Connell or McGregor. Their age alone means that their ceiling should be higher than a guy like Sparks', even if they are a long, long ways away. And if I had to put in an older guy I would have went with Gauthier there. I think he's closer to becoming a 4th line NHL centre than Sparks is to becoming a NHL back-up.

I think Gauthier has a more difficult path to the NHL than Sparks, but they're in similar boats (probably nots). Pretty easy to get temporary 4th line centres for cheap on the market, where as Sparks will be called upon anytime Andersen or McElhinney get injured. Probably not hard to outplay McElhinney either.

We're going to get to see a bit more of Greenway (maybe), as he was added to the WJSS US roster. We have a lot of runway with him.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 02, 2017, 08:32:46 AM
23. Eemeli Rasanen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/2/16002898/2017-top-25-under-25-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-eemeli-rasanen-2017-maple-leafs-draft-picks)

The 'first' of two 2017 draft picks to make the cut of this year's T25U25 is 2nd rounder Eemeli Rasanen. Since I ran out of names I recognized after Montreal took Josh Brook towards the last third of the 2nd, I have no complaints about the team stocking up on RHD with heavy shots, and a huge frame that is still being filled out. As mentioned in the article, this is a template pick but with much greater promise than the previous ones in 2015, 2016. It'll be exciting to see how he shows next season after getting prime minutes with the Frontenacs and more time with Robidas and Underhill.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on August 02, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
I'm watching the IIHF Swe vs. USA game and for the life of me I have no idea what Liljegrens number is. The names aren't on the back of the sweaters.

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Deebo on August 02, 2017, 05:59:03 PM
I'm watching the IIHF Swe vs. USA game and for the life of me I have no idea what Liljegrens number is. The names aren't on the back of the sweaters.

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#2
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 03, 2017, 08:15:51 AM
22. Yegor Korshkov (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/3/16026556/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-yegor-korshkov-khl-lokomotiv-yaroslavl)

This is around the area where I expected him to be, visibility bias and injury last season being the primary reasons. AHL next year, and will probably make a mid-season jump as he can play any wing and PK. Skates easily, passes well, shoots often, and hits a lot. Would be a great first forward option on the forecheck.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 03, 2017, 08:25:43 AM
I'm watching the IIHF Swe vs. USA game and for the life of me I have no idea what Liljegrens number is. The names aren't on the back of the sweaters.

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He's the good one.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on August 03, 2017, 09:11:28 AM
I'm watching the IIHF Swe vs. USA game and for the life of me I have no idea what Liljegrens number is. The names aren't on the back of the sweaters.

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He's the good one.

Yeah goal and assist. Not too shabby. Lot of talk about Dahlin as well.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 04, 2017, 08:38:32 AM
21. Miro Aaltonen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/4/16026622/2017-top-25-under-25-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-miro-aaltonen-shl-toronto-marlies)

I think he'll be very good in the AHL. I don't think he'll be much in the NHL, but I don't mind being pleasantly surprised. Sort of a gapstop stop-gap for Adam Brooks.

Edit: what is words?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 07, 2017, 08:36:19 AM
20. Dmytro Timashov (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/7/16027108/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-dmytro-timashov-toronto-marlies)

Timashov has taken a bit of a tumble in the rankings:
a) rookie Marlie, limited ice time
b) didn't find consistency until late in the season (which is normal)
c) influx of pro players into the visible pool

Keefe said as much (but with more detail) at the locker cleanout:

Quote
Q: Who stands out on the roster as someone who improved maybe the most out of everybody?

Keefe: We talk about improvement from the start of the season. The guys I look at are Timashov and Moore. Those are two young first-year players that early in the season really struggled. A lot of it was through lack of opportunity. All of a sudden, going from top players on other teams to now the reality of playing lower in the lineup and really having to struggle for your minutes and compete for your minutes and be good defensively, I think a lot of that caught them off guard. They were not close, frankly, but they stuck with it and when injuries happened and they got more opportunity they showed they were ready for it and took advantage of those opportunities and were better players because of that down the stretch. When Kapanen, Leipsic and these guys come back in the lineup, they get shuffled down a little bit and I thought they were better players because of that. I think they leave now with a much better understanding of what it takes to play every single day and to be reliable and competitive. Those guys stand out in terms of improvement. I know Timashov ends up out of the lineup late in the playoffs here and a lot of that is attributed to Carl Grundstrom and his arrival and how he played for us, but I think both players leave here with a better sense of what they need to do.

I think he has a good angle on a roster spot being one of our better LWers in the system, with JvR/Komarov exiting. As his defensive approach blossoms, he'd be a killer option on Kadri's flank as he's a low, heavy presence with playmaking aplomb. He also has experience with Nylander and they meshed well. He'll be vying primarily against countrymen Johnsson (more seasoned), Grundstrom (more of a shooter), and later on, Korshkov (he's still at least one season away).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 08, 2017, 08:15:49 AM
19. Andrew Nielsen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/8/16092366/2017-toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-andrew-nielsen-checks-in-at-19)

I think this one is ranked a bit too high, honestly.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 09, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
18. Kerby Rychel (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/9/16105344/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-kerby-rychel-marlies-nhl-top-25)

I didn't post this, but I made a list of all the remaining ones and threw a ranking together just going by gut, and Rychel was precisely the next one on it. Which is to say, he's meh for an NHL lineup, and if no one takes him off waivers and he has a great attitude, he'd be a small upgrade on Martin.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 09, 2017, 08:52:41 AM
For additional funs:

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Connor Brown
Kasperi Kapanen
Connor Carrick
Travis Dermott
Timothy Liljegren
Andreas Johnsson
Jeremy Bracco
Adam Brooks
Carl Grundstrom
Josh Leivo
Nikita Soshnikov
Calle Rosen
Andreas Borgman

Kerby Rychel

Italicized is the area of the list I'm most murky about.

I snugged up the Swedish defensemen with our fringe NHLers because they haven't had much visibility, so they'll still likely get ranked behind the players that are falling on the list (Soshnikov, Leivo -- buoyed only by 13 pts in 10 gp), and be surpassed as a group by the up and comers that we're most excited about (ceiling!): the players that rightly should graduate from the Marlies and Liljegren, mixing the current achievements with projection and weighting accordingly.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 09, 2017, 09:27:59 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Liljegren in the top-5, just behind Rielly. I think he'll definitely be ahead of Carrick and Dermott.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 09, 2017, 09:44:56 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Liljegren in the top-5, just behind Rielly. I think he'll definitely be ahead of Carrick and Dermott.

Long-run, certainly. I was making the list trying to predict the PPP rankings, rather than my own estimations.

From past PPP votings, there's a pretty heavy contingent of achievement voters, rather than the nebulous ceiling projection voters. Dermott got some shoutouts by his coaches at the end of the season and Mirtle-murmurs about him being ready for the big show. Back in 2015, Marner finished 5th and Nylander finished 2nd, even though they were both already clearly dominant in their respective leagues (Rielly took #1, Gardiner #3, and Kadri #4).

I think Carrick's NHL time and gaudy analytics numbers (and smart media presence) gives him the leg up this season.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 09, 2017, 09:53:58 AM
Long-run, certainly. I was making the list trying to predict the PPP rankings, rather than my own estimations.

From past PPP votings, there's a pretty heavy contingent of achievement voters, rather than the nebulous ceiling projection voters. Dermott got some shoutouts by his coaches at the end of the season and Mirtle-murmurs about him being ready for the big show. Back in 2015, Marner finished 5th and Nylander finished 2nd, even though they were both already clearly dominant in their respective leagues (Rielly took #1, Gardiner #3, and Kadri #4).

I think Carrick's NHL time and gaudy analytics numbers (and smart media presence) gives him the leg up this season.

Rielly, Gardiner, and Kadri were all established NHLers at that point. That's what gave them the edge over Marner and Nylander even though those two had the highest ceiling. Kapanen and Dermott are still technically prospects at this point, so they're basically being judged on potential and Liljegren's surpasses them both there. Carrick's an NHLer yes, but I don't think a #5 defenceman (with potentially some room to grow) is going to go ahead of someone with Liljegren's pedigree. I could maybe see Brown's rookie season being enough to keep him ahead of Timmy in some people's eyes for now.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 09, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
Rielly, Gardiner, and Kadri were all established NHLers at that point. That's what gave them the edge over Marner and Nylander even though those two had the highest ceiling. Kapanen and Dermott are still technically prospects at this point, so they're basically being judged on potential and Liljegren's surpasses them both there. Carrick's an NHLer yes, but I don't think a #5 defenceman (with potentially some room to grow) is going to go ahead of someone with Liljegren's pedigree. I could maybe see Brown's rookie season being enough to keep him ahead of Timmy in some people's eyes for now.

If you're right, then the votings rigged! Fire and fury will be visited upon you, and it'll be the best fire and fury you've ever seen. The best. I know a guy, he's a good friend. A great friend. Best fire ever, like you wouldn't believe. I said to him, I said, hey, would know what would be great? Fire, YUGE fire, like across the sky and hitting these... these wagon things, right? And they'd go boom, Boom, BOOM! All in a row. That's gotta be a world record right? Just like how many people showed up to my birthday party. So many people! The best people.

Anyway. You make a compelling case. Liljegren's got some obvious warts holding him back, but I'm of the mind that some of them have to do with playing on Rogle, where he feels like he has to do more and his teammates aren't always keeping up with his pace and plays.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 10, 2017, 08:54:22 AM
17. Calle Rosen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/10/16080714/2017-top-25-under-25-17-calle-rosen-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-free-agent-signing-toronto-marlies)

I haven't read the article yet. Rated under Borgman due to age? He's a fantastic skater and that really covers up a great many ills.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 11, 2017, 09:22:53 AM
16. Andreas Borgman (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/11/16024998/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-andreas-borgman-shl-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on August 11, 2017, 01:15:43 PM
So, it's:

Callay Roseean
and
Andreas Bor-ye-man?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 08:23:01 AM
15. Adam Brooks (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/14/16112568/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-adam-brooks-top-25-under-25)

Would be very interested in seeing a skill-driven 4th line that pushes the pace, and Brooks would be of the mould I see at centre.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 15, 2017, 09:23:47 AM
ESPN's Corey Pronman ranked our prospect pool 13th in the league in his annual team rankings (we were ranked 1st last year):

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13. Toronto Maple Leafs
Previous rank: 1

The Leafs' system is much different from a year ago, with star talents like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and William Nylander having graduated. The system remains good, with high-end talents on forward and defense, but the Leafs don't have a premium prospect anymore, just a lot of good ones.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/20340430/nhl-ranking-prospect-pipelines-all-31-teams-heading-2017-18-season (pay wall'd)

Seems like a fair spot to be in considering who just graduated.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 15, 2017, 09:25:37 AM
14. Nikita Soshnikov (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/15/16141580/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-top-25-under-25-nikita-soshnikov-toronto-marlies)

I think he's a bit too high on the list, but right around the mark I expected him to be based on PPP's general voting tendancies.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 15, 2017, 09:29:16 AM
ESPN's Corey Pronman ranked our prospect pool 13th in the league in his annual team rankings (we were ranked 1st last year):

Quote
13. Toronto Maple Leafs
Previous rank: 1

The Leafs' system is much different from a year ago, with star talents like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and William Nylander having graduated. The system remains good, with high-end talents on forward and defense, but the Leafs don't have a premium prospect anymore, just a lot of good ones.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/20340430/nhl-ranking-prospect-pipelines-all-31-teams-heading-2017-18-season (pay wall'd)

Seems like a fair spot to be in considering who just graduated.

Pronman's pretty strict about ranking these by prospect pipeline only. I wonder where we'd slot in a U24 ranking (probably top 3?).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 16, 2017, 08:23:58 AM
PPP: 13. Jeremy Bracco (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/16/16027154/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-toronto-marlies-windsor-spitfires)

If Bracco flames out, it's no big deal as we have Marner and Nylander (and Brown) locking down RW for a good long while. If Bracco torches the AHL, then you have Marner - Brown - Bracco with Nylander in the middle.

TLN: 20. Nikolai Chebykin (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/16/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-20-nikolai-chebykin/)

We've got time.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on August 16, 2017, 11:29:20 AM
I'm really apprehensive about getting up on Bracco. I don't know if he'll really be anything even at the AHL level.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 16, 2017, 11:31:03 AM
PPP: 13. Jeremy Bracco (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/16/16027154/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-toronto-marlies-windsor-spitfires)

If Bracco flames out, it's no big deal as we have Marner and Nylander (and Brown) locking down RW for a good long while. If Bracco torches the AHL, then you have Marner - Brown - Bracco with Nylander in the middle.

TLN: 20. Nikolai Chebykin (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/16/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-20-nikolai-chebykin/)

We've got time.

You don't see Kapanen in the Top 9 on the Right Side long term?

My lineup *next year* would look like this using only players under contract/RFA's : (with Martin there only because I don't see him being taken out of the lineup)

Marleau - Matthews - Marner
?1 - Nylander - Kapanen
Hyman - Kadri - Brown
Martin - ?2 - Soshnikov

?1 - Most likely candidates:  Leivo, Brooks, Johnson, Grundstrom
?2 - Most likely candidates:  Brooks, Free Agent, Gauthier


Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 16, 2017, 11:31:11 AM
I'm really apprehensive about getting up on Bracco. I don't know if he'll really be anything even at the AHL level.

I'm giving Bracco (and Brooks) the Connor Brown treatment: I'm not getting excited about them until they show they can produce at the AHL level.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 16, 2017, 11:36:49 AM
You don't see Kapanen in the Top 9 on the Right Side long term?

I forgot about him actually :-[ We could squeeze him in on the left side occasionally, but he's probably supplanting Brown in the next two years if neither are traded before then.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 16, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
You don't see Kapanen in the Top 9 on the Right Side long term?

I forgot about him actually :-[ We could squeeze him in on the left side occasionally, but he's probably supplanting Brown in the next two years if neither are traded before then.

Well, between the two of them it will be interesting to see who gets the more offensive role and who gets the more defensive role.  Kapanen hasn't proven yet what he'll be at the NHL level- will he be better on a sheltered scoring line or on the Kadri unit as a checking winger.

While my lineup above doesn't reflect it, I do wonder if Marner on Kadri's wing would work really well.  He's a puck thief and with some more work/experience could become more than just an offensive star.  Then we could ice a lineup more like this, where there is one of our big three on each line- the first two lines get the tougher matchups and it frees Nylander to be a huge weapon on the sheltered scoring line:

Marleau - Matthews - Brown/Kapanen
Hyman/Grundstrom - Kadri - Marner
Leivo/Hyman/Grundstrom - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown


Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 16, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
Well, between the two of them it will be interesting to see who gets the more offensive role and who gets the more defensive role.  Kapanen hasn't proven yet what he'll be at the NHL level- will he be better on a sheltered scoring line or on the Kadri unit as a checking winger.

While my lineup above doesn't reflect it, I do wonder if Marner on Kadri's wing would work really well.  He's a puck thief and with some more work/experience could become more than just an offensive star.  Then we could ice a lineup more like this, where there is one of our big three on each line- the first two lines get the tougher matchups and it frees Nylander to be a huge weapon on the sheltered scoring line:

Marleau - Matthews - Brown/Kapanen
Hyman/Grundstrom - Kadri - Marner
Leivo/Hyman/Grundstrom - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown

I think that's where I'd take it too. Kapanen and Brown are pretty defensively/offensively flexible. Having similar on the left would be great, but we're lacking there.

I've always liked the idea of Marner on Kadri's wing (Knights!) to smear out the big three talent across the top 9, but I think there's a better fit longer term on Matthews' wing due to his propensity for shooting. We know Marner works very well with big shooting left shot centres.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Britishbulldog on August 16, 2017, 09:28:36 PM
Well, between the two of them it will be interesting to see who gets the more offensive role and who gets the more defensive role.  Kapanen hasn't proven yet what he'll be at the NHL level- will he be better on a sheltered scoring line or on the Kadri unit as a checking winger.

While my lineup above doesn't reflect it, I do wonder if Marner on Kadri's wing would work really well.  He's a puck thief and with some more work/experience could become more than just an offensive star.  Then we could ice a lineup more like this, where there is one of our big three on each line- the first two lines get the tougher matchups and it frees Nylander to be a huge weapon on the sheltered scoring line:

Marleau - Matthews - Brown/Kapanen
Hyman/Grundstrom - Kadri - Marner
Leivo/Hyman/Grundstrom - Nylander - Kapanen/Brown

I think that's where I'd take it too. Kapanen and Brown are pretty defensively/offensively flexible. Having similar on the left would be great, but we're lacking there.

I've always liked the idea of Marner on Kadri's wing (Knights!) to smear out the big three talent across the top 9, but I think there's a better fit longer term on Matthews' wing due to his propensity for shooting. We know Marner works very well with big shooting left shot centres.

I was hoping the Leafs would re-sign JVR and leave him as Marner's LWer.

When Komarov retires/gets traded I was thinking that Grundstrom would replace him.

Thinking that if Nylander is competent as a center at all then it will be Bozak removed.

So I was thinking the next couple of years would be:

Marleau / Matthews / Kapanen

JVR / Nylander / Marner

Komarov(Grundstrom) / Kadri / Brown

Martin / 4th line C / Hyman
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 16, 2017, 09:51:06 PM
I don't think JvR makes much sense on a team that has to pay the Big Three at around the same time. He's approaching diminishing returns, but at a big UFA cap hit.

If Komarov, JvR, and Bozak are gone this season, I'd run the lines in similar fashion to now (role-wise).

Primary scoring: Marleau - Matthews - Marner
Matchup shutdown: Hyman - Kadri - Brown
Secondary scoring: Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Low-event shutdown: Martin - Moore - Leivo
Spare: Soshnikov

Grundstrom isn't likely to play in the AHL this season until the SHL season is finished.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 16, 2017, 09:58:19 PM
I don't think JvR makes much sense on a team that has to pay the Big Three at around the same time. He's approaching diminishing returns, but at a big UFA cap hit.

And there's really no getting around the fact that the cap makes it a zero-sum game. Any money spent on JVR is, necessarily, money you can't spend on the blue line or extensions.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 08:14:55 AM
PPP: 12. Carl Grundstrom (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/17/16101832/2017-top-25-under-25-12-carl-grundstrom-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-liam-neeson)

Similar template to Zach Hyman in that he's a straight line skater that relishes in playing the wrecking ball role and chipping in goals from Gary Roberts' office. Needs to build up strength to match his frame and style, and more experience to develop his hockey awareness. Has a nose for the puck and net but can't carry, extend, or generate plays on his own

TLN: 19. Vladimir Bobylev/Bobylyov (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/17/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-19-vladimir-bobylyov/)

We've got time.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on August 17, 2017, 09:55:32 AM
Seems more Kulemin-esque than Hyman.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 17, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
I don't think JvR makes much sense on a team that has to pay the Big Three at around the same time. He's approaching diminishing returns, but at a big UFA cap hit.

If Komarov, JvR, and Bozak are gone this season, I'd run the lines in similar fashion to now (role-wise).

Primary scoring: Marleau - Matthews - Marner
Matchup shutdown: Hyman - Kadri - Brown
Secondary scoring: Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Low-event shutdown: Martin - Moore - Leivo
Spare: Soshnikov

Grundstrom isn't likely to play in the AHL this season until the SHL season is finished.

Grundstrom signed his ELC in April, using his exit clause in his contract with Frolunda.  He's a Marlie next season.  He's not returning to the SHL unless the Leafs loan him there which I guess could be a possibility if they feel they have too many wingers in the AHL and want to make sure they get enough icetime- but I doubt it.

Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 10:39:31 AM
Grundstrom signed his ELC in April, using his exit clause in his contract with Frolunda.  He's a Marlie next season.  He's not returning to the SHL unless the Leafs loan him there which I guess could be a possibility if they feel they have too many wingers in the AHL and want to make sure they get enough icetime- but I doubt it.

I was basing this on Grundstrom staying back in Sweden for Frolunda's training camp and preseason, instead of attending the Leaf's development camp. I think he is being loaned. r/leafs also mentioned an unwritten agreement between teams and the SHL that Swedish prospects under 20 and not 1st rounders will stay in the SHL until they make the jump. The ELC doesn't indicate where the player will play (see Johnsson).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
Seems more Kulemin-esque than Hyman.

Kulemin is who I hope Hyman to become.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 17, 2017, 10:45:03 AM
Grundstrom signed his ELC in April, using his exit clause in his contract with Frolunda.  He's a Marlie next season.  He's not returning to the SHL unless the Leafs loan him there which I guess could be a possibility if they feel they have too many wingers in the AHL and want to make sure they get enough icetime- but I doubt it.

I was basing this on Grundstrom staying back in Sweden for Frolunda's training camp and preseason, instead of attending the Leaf's development camp. I think he is being loaned. r/leafs also mentioned an unwritten agreement between teams and the SHL that Swedish prospects under 20 and not 1st rounders will stay in the SHL until they make the jump. The ELC doesn't indicate where the player will play (see Johnsson).

Ah, I was unaware that he was attending Frolunda's training camp instead of development/main camp here. Figured they would want to see how he does on the Marlies, but as I pointed out before, so many wingers in the org. means either him or someone else would be taking minutes on the Marlies from each other so it makes sense to loan him.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 10:47:51 AM
Ah, I was unaware that he was attending Frolunda's training camp instead of development/main camp here. Figured they would want to see how he does on the Marlies, but as I pointed out before, so many wingers in the org. means either him or someone else would be taking minutes on the Marlies from each other so it makes sense to loan him.

I'd much rather him be here, but I would also like to have Timashov, Moore, and Johnsson get some prime minutes too, so while we have time and it makes sense, might as well use it. Frolunda expects to be good this year so that probably helps things along.

Liljegren on the other hand... Rogle seems resigned that he will be in Toronto. I think this is the right move, especially for defense, where the rink dimensions and deflection angles are going to be critical on the backend and takes extra time to adjust. Grundstrom has already proven he can adapt to AHL ice, and already plays the North American style, so let's see how he contributes to his team's success.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on August 17, 2017, 10:51:43 AM
Seems more Kulemin-esque than Hyman.

Kulemin is who I hope Hyman to become.

Yeah but preferably more the 50pt Kulemin, not the 20pt middling Kulemin (which Hyman already is).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 11:04:40 AM
Seems more Kulemin-esque than Hyman.

Kulemin is who I hope Hyman to become.

Yeah but preferably more the 50pt Kulemin, not the 20pt middling Kulemin (which Hyman already is).

50 pt Kulemin is not a real thing though, as he was riding a massive shooting percentage (17.3%). Hyman was at 6.4% last season, which is also unsustainably low. Really, Hyman's only shooting issue was he got too close to the net. If Hyman continues to play Matthews' wing and bounces back to around 9% shooting, we're looking at just about 15 goals, which is better than regular Kulemin.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on August 17, 2017, 11:05:52 AM
Seems more Kulemin-esque than Hyman.

Kulemin is who I hope Hyman to become.

Yeah but preferably more the 50pt Kulemin, not the 20pt middling Kulemin (which Hyman already is).

50 pt Kulemin is not a real thing though, as he was riding a massive shooting percentage (17.3%). Hyman was at 6.4% last season, which is also unsustainably low. Really, Hyman's only shooting issue was he got too close to the net. If Hyman continues to play Matthews' wing and bounces back to around 9% shooting, we're looking at just about 15 goals, which is better than regular Kulemin.

One can dream ;)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 11:07:35 AM
ESPN's Corey Pronman ranked our prospect pool 13th in the league in his annual team rankings (we were ranked 1st last year):

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13. Toronto Maple Leafs
Previous rank: 1

The Leafs' system is much different from a year ago, with star talents like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and William Nylander having graduated. The system remains good, with high-end talents on forward and defense, but the Leafs don't have a premium prospect anymore, just a lot of good ones.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/20340430/nhl-ranking-prospect-pipelines-all-31-teams-heading-2017-18-season (pay wall'd)

Seems like a fair spot to be in considering who just graduated.

Pronman's top 100 prospects is out and the Leafs' kids rank:
40. Kasperi Kapanen
43. Timothy Liljegren
73. Travis Dermott
79. Jeremy Bracco

HM: Grundstrom, Nielsen

Goalies:
7. Joseph Woll
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: L K on August 17, 2017, 12:12:10 PM
ESPN's Corey Pronman ranked our prospect pool 13th in the league in his annual team rankings (we were ranked 1st last year):

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13. Toronto Maple Leafs
Previous rank: 1

The Leafs' system is much different from a year ago, with star talents like Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner and William Nylander having graduated. The system remains good, with high-end talents on forward and defense, but the Leafs don't have a premium prospect anymore, just a lot of good ones.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/20340430/nhl-ranking-prospect-pipelines-all-31-teams-heading-2017-18-season (pay wall'd)

Seems like a fair spot to be in considering who just graduated.

Pronman's top 100 prospects is out and the Leafs' kids rank:
40. Kasperi Kapanen
43. Timothy Liljegren
73. Travis Dermott
79. Jeremy Bracco

HM: Grundstrom, Nielsen

Goalies:
7. Joseph Woll

Seems fair.  I still struggle with the concept that a prospect has graduated the second they become an NHL regular.  A guy who is 24 in the AHL carries better prospect value than a 19 year old with a year of NHL experience.  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. 
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 17, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
Anyone think the Matt Gilroy comparisons to Butcher should make teams nervous?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 17, 2017, 01:22:28 PM
Anyone think the Matt Gilroy comparisons to Butcher should make teams nervous?

No NCAA signing like this is ever going to be a slam dunk, but in Butcher's defence he is 2.5 years younger than Gilroy was when he went pro.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 17, 2017, 03:52:52 PM
Butcher is a found wallet, best case he has a career ala Bozak, worst case he gets Christian Hansen'd down the line.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 17, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
Butcher is a found wallet, best case he has a career ala Bozak, worst case he gets Christian Hansen'd down the line.

High five for the Hansen reference...totally forgot about that guy.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 17, 2017, 04:58:14 PM
50 pt Kulemin is not a real thing though, as he was riding a massive shooting percentage (17.3%). Hyman was at 6.4% last season, which is also unsustainably low. Really, Hyman's only shooting issue was he got too close to the net. If Hyman continues to play Matthews' wing and bounces back to around 9% shooting, we're looking at just about 15 goals, which is better than regular Kulemin.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that though. I've read that with shooting percentages you should assume a regression to an individual mean rather than a league-wide one. Until we see evidence that Hyman can score at a reasonable rate we shouldn't bet on it happening.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 17, 2017, 05:26:12 PM
50 pt Kulemin is not a real thing though, as he was riding a massive shooting percentage (17.3%). Hyman was at 6.4% last season, which is also unsustainably low. Really, Hyman's only shooting issue was he got too close to the net. If Hyman continues to play Matthews' wing and bounces back to around 9% shooting, we're looking at just about 15 goals, which is better than regular Kulemin.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that though. I've read that with shooting percentages you should assume a regression to an individual mean rather than a league-wide one. Until we see evidence that Hyman can score at a reasonable rate we shouldn't bet on it happening.

He was 10.8% on a garbage team when he debuted alongside Nylander in 2016, 22 goals in his senior year with Michigan. You're right that it's not guaranteed that Hyman can score in the NHL at a reasonable rate; however, he's shown some shooting skill when he's not playing deferentially. The primary difference between last season and his cup of coffee the year before was the competition faced and how close to the net he was making his attempts.

2016: 16 GP, 4 goals, 10.8%
(http://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/shotLoc5v5/1516/TOR/hymanza92/)

2016-17: 82 GP, 10 goals, 6.4%
(http://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/shotLoc5v5/1617/TOR/hymanza92/)

Competition-wise, alongside Matthews and a lot of Nylander, Hyman still generated a crap-ton of chances. If he's moved off that line and suddenly doesn't generate chances, then I'd be more concerned, but I don't think that'll be the case.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 18, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
PPP: 11. Andreas Johnsson (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/18/16140488/2017-top-25-under-25-11-andreas-johnsson-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-sniper-ahl-marlies)

i.e. Liljegren is in the top 10!

I really like Johnsson's game. He's not the biggest, but he works hard, and scores like crazy. Originally, he appeared to be a boom-or-bust option as a PP specialist. With the Marlies, his defense has improved by leaps and bounds, to complement his instinct for finding space in the slot and ripping shots home.

TLN: 18. Jesper Lindgren (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/18/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-18-jesper-lindgren/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on August 18, 2017, 10:27:50 AM
 ;D

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Hes since addressed his asthma with medication, and hes addressed his height by being a good hockey player in the 21st century.

I have no idea why, but I'm really enamoured with Johnsson. Of all the prospects, he's the highest on my list of ones that I really want to see make it. I know the odds are against him given his age, but he's also the same age Bozak was when he made his NHL debut and he's done well.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 18, 2017, 11:05:26 AM
;D

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Hes since addressed his asthma with medication, and hes addressed his height by being a good hockey player in the 21st century.

I have no idea why, but I'm really enamoured with Johnsson. Of all the prospects, he's the highest on my list of ones that I really want to see make it. I know the odds are against him given his age, but he's also the same age Bozak was when he made his NHL debut and he's done well.

I've got all the time in the world for that level of cheekiness.

Keefe on Johnsson back in May | MLHS (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/05/19/sheldon-keefe-brendan-leipsic-dmytro-timashov-trevor-moore-kasimir-kaskisuo-andreas-johnsson/):
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Andreas Johnsson is a guy who, from start of the season to finish, really did a number of great things for us. He was very reliable for us. I dont necessarily look at it as improvement because I think it was always there. He just needed to adjust and really get comfortable, but he is just a terrific young player that just does so many things really well. Very low maintenance. You tell him something once and he goes out and he does it. He executes at a high level. Very competitive. He has a lot of the ingredients that a lot of players need and that young players need. We are very happy with his development and how things moved for him. I think he had that. He is a guy with more professional experience than others coming into the season and he showed that.
Title: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 18, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
Marleau - Matthews - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Martin - Moore - Hyman

Add whatever Bozak and JVR  can bring back in trade return, I suspect you could get a kings ransom if you're willing to accept non-roster prospects/picks, there is also a good chance they can get you a solid top four dman or you can parlay their return into the dman help you want.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 18, 2017, 05:20:12 PM
Marleau - Matthews - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Martin - Moore - Hyman

Add whatever Bozak and JVR  can bring back in trade return, I suspect you could get a kings ransom if you're willing to accept non-roster prospects/picks, there is also a good chance they can get you a solid top four dman or you can parlay their return into the damn help you want.

The damn help you want eh?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 18, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
Marleau - Matthews - Marner
Komarov - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Martin - Moore - Hyman

Add whatever Bozak and JVR  can bring back in trade return, I suspect you could get a kings ransom if you're willing to accept non-roster prospects/picks, there is also a good chance they can get you a solid top four dman or you can parlay their return into the damn help you want.

The damn help you want eh?

Damn autocorrect!
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 21, 2017, 08:38:33 AM
PPP: 10. Travis Dermott (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/8/21/16175956/2017-top-25-under-25-what-could-push-10-travis-dermott-into-the-nhl-lineup)

Top ten time!

TLN: 17. Justin Holl (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/21/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-17-justin-holl/)

Pulled from the depths by Dubas. Might be a good temporary sub on the bottom pair.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 21, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
Something that I've been mulling, and it sort of makes sense to bring it up here after two defensive prospects are on tap for today.

The Leafs, sort of knowing they'd have an easier to time with forward depth (and then striking gold with Matthews) have basically ceded backend production deliberately. Other than Liljegren, and maybe Dermott, their defensive drafting and acquisitions have all been about wingspan and mobility.

Structurally, the Leafs (and Marlies) literally do not care about shooting from the blueline, except to generate rebounds and chaos. I've brought it up in game threads for the past year or so, and I'm thinking it is more systematic than just the NHL roster's particular strengths. The defensemen, once set up in the offensive zone, are merely bumpers to keep the puck pressure deep, rotating with the high forwards on auto-pinch runs to tamp down breakout plays.

Shooting percentages fall off a cliff above the circles and it takes a rare, special player to be able to actually put the puck into the net from that far out on a consistent basis. We actually have some of those players in Matthews, Nylander, and Zaitsev (also Neilsen and Liljegren), but they've been strategically pulled off that play. Even one-timers in general have been eschewed for high slot Plinko.

What does this mean for the defense? Player template-wise, the team really only needs to value mobility in transitions (and puck recovery), stickhandling, and gap control instincts. Physically, the team has leaned heavily on taaaaallllll players with long arms and sticks to break up plays and reach pucks first. See Marincin, Neilsen, Middleton, Mattinen, Rasanen, Gordeev, the departed Desrocher.

Scoring from the backend is an afterthought, and since players are paid by counting stats still to a large degree, I think the team is leveraging this for cost management purposes too. We don't need a 8-9M 1D, when we have a committee of 4-6M top 4D. Even if we luck into a point-producing defenseman (Liljegren), we're only going to have one (maybe two) getting prime PP time.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 21, 2017, 11:17:20 PM

Anyone else think there's sort of a weird level of pressure on Dermott? Not in an immediate sense or pressure to be an all-star or anything but he does represent this management team's first real test of their draft acumen beyond picking in the top 5.

Also when you toss in the decision to trade down for him which yielded some interesting prospects but guys who seem like they'll be weird fits for the actual team and the guys they maybe passed on for him it strikes me like Dermott's actual ability to contribute, even as a bottom pairing guy, might be our first real glimpse in just how the Too Many Cooks era worked out from a scouting/drafting standpoint.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 22, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
PPP: 9. Josh Leivo (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/22/16094676/2017-toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-josh-leivo-is-back-for-one-last-time-at-9)

TLN: 16. JD Greenway (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/22/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-16-james-jd-greenway/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 22, 2017, 08:30:46 AM

Anyone else think there's sort of a weird level of pressure on Dermott? Not in an immediate sense or pressure to be an all-star or anything but he does represent this management team's first real test of their draft acumen beyond picking in the top 5.

Also when you toss in the decision to trade down for him which yielded some interesting prospects but guys who seem like they'll be weird fits for the actual team and the guys they maybe passed on for him it strikes me like Dermott's actual ability to contribute, even as a bottom pairing guy, might be our first real glimpse in just how the Too Many Cooks era worked out from a scouting/drafting standpoint.

It feels like 2nd round picks are always the true test of a scouting staff/managements abilities at the draft. We've had 5 of them in the past 3 years (Dermott, Bracco, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Rasanen). At least two of them better become more than run of the mill NHLers.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 22, 2017, 09:16:04 AM
It feels like 2nd round picks are always the true test of a scouting staff/managements abilities at the draft. We've had 5 of them in the past 3 years (Dermott, Bracco, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Rasanen). At least two of them better become more than run of the mill NHLers.

Yeah, that's true. But as baffling as the Korshkov pick was(and the reach it probably was) if it flops the Leafs are still going to be pretty strong up front.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 22, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
I have no idea why, but I'm really enamoured with Johnsson. Of all the prospects, he's the highest on my list of ones that I really want to see make it. I know the odds are against him given his age, but he's also the same age Bozak was when he made his NHL debut and he's done well.

Seems like you aren't the only one enamoured with Johnsson.  Jason Bourne, formerly the Marlies video coach, lists his three favourite Marlies knocking on the Maple Leafs door:

https://theathletic.com/85356/2017/08/22/bourne-meet-the-three-toronto-marlies-knocking-on-the-maple-leafs-door/

The list:
Dermott
Johnsson
Grundstrom

Note:  Kapanen was not on the list because Bourne says he's pretty much already walked through the door and should be on the team to start the season.  Bourne also takes a shot at the media for (earlier in the season) saying Kapanen wasn't the Leafs top prospect.

Anyways, for me, his comments on Dermott are the most interesting because our defense needs improvement.  I've been pretty high on Dermott for a while now and Bourne makes me even more confident he will be an NHL defenseman based on his comments.  Now its a question of when.



Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 22, 2017, 03:28:49 PM
I like his note about Dermott's strength (he's a tank) and elusiveness. Also of note is Borgman's similar physique. Sure they aren't as tall, but the lower centre of gravity is advantageous for maintaining balance and positioning leverage. Coupled with more than adequate speed and edge work, they should be able to push rushes off into less dangerous areas of the ice.

This is the best:
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Fun fact: He was known as Andreas Johnson hard J for about a year because he didn't want to cause trouble by correcting people within the Leafs organization. His last name is actually pronounced with a soft J like Yohnsson. He even wore a jersey with the misspelling of his last name on numerous occasions before the team came across a pre-season form he filled out with the correct spelling.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 23, 2017, 08:12:27 AM
PPP: 8. Connor Carrick (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/23/16179248/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-top-25-under-25-connor-carrick-checks-in-at-8)

The article touches on what I believe to be the reason for Carrick's stifled numbers: he was the safe-guy on Gardiner's line. Similar to Zaitsev's transition to the NHL, it looks like they were both told to play it safe in the offensive zone, as their partners were Gardiner and Reilly. It sort of makes sense with the forward make up as well, having our best playmakers in Nylander and Marner on the right wing opens up LD lanes at the weaker blocker side.

TLN: 15. Trevor Moore (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/23/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-15-trevor-moore/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 24, 2017, 08:07:36 AM
PPP. 7. Timothy Liljegren (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/24/16136640/2017-top-25-under-25-7-timothy-liljegren-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-2017-nhl-draft-marlies)

This is the one I've been waiting for!

TLN: 14. Miro Aaltonen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/24/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-14-miro-aaltonen/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 24, 2017, 09:24:22 AM
So Liljegren goes ahead of Carrick and Dermott but behind Brown and Kapanen. I can live with that.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 24, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 24, 2017, 09:35:11 AM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.

That one surprised me a lot, but he's in the NHL and can score (so far) and just looks like he's been given a raw deal on opportunity, whereas Dermott hasn't seen any NHL time yet and PPP voting really values that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 24, 2017, 09:41:27 AM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.

As herman said, PPP tends to vote more with what they know.  Had they gone more with realistic upside, you'd have Dermott ahead of Leivo for sure and Liljegren ahead of Kapanen and Brown.  Which is how I ranked them.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 24, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
In the near future, we will have most, if not all, of these players carving through the neutral zone:

Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner (hopefully), Dermott, Liljegren
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 24, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.

As herman said, PPP tends to vote more with what they know.  Had they gone more with realistic upside, you'd have Dermott ahead of Leivo for sure and Liljegren ahead of Kapanen and Brown.  Which is how I ranked them.

Well what made it particularly surprising was how low he was on previous lists. In 2015 he was 15th, and last year he dropped all the way back to 18th (behind younger guys like Bracco, Timashov, Johnsson who all have a higher upside). And I don't really think much has changed in regards to his status in the past few years other than his age. He's not really much closer to a full time NHL job than he was 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 24, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.

As herman said, PPP tends to vote more with what they know.  Had they gone more with realistic upside, you'd have Dermott ahead of Leivo for sure and Liljegren ahead of Kapanen and Brown.  Which is how I ranked them.

Well what made it particularly surprising was how low he was on previous lists. In 2015 he was 15th, and last year he dropped all the way back to 18th (behind younger guys like Bracco, Timashov, Johnsson who all have a higher upside). And I don't really think much has changed in regards to his status in the past few years other than his age. He's not really much closer to a full time NHL job than he was 2 years ago.

Yeah, seems that everyone was a bit too impressed with his 10 pts in 13 games last year.  Here's my take on that:  After not playing most of the season, when he got his chances he was running on adrenaline.  Problem is, once that adrenaline rubs off in a full-time NHL role, his main deficiency (skating) would probably prevent him from being 10pts/13gms effective over the long term. 

Leafs are just way too loaded on wing- saying he's no closer to a full time NHL gig is only true because the Leafs improved markedly over that time span.  IMO, on about half of the teams in the league, he'd have a 3rd line winger job in the NHL today.  I'd still rate him higher than the three you mentioned- while they have upside that probably puts them closer to 2nd line winger territory, they are MUCH farther from the NHL (except for maybe Johnsson)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 24, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.

The Leivo situation is just weird.  I understood the Corrado thing, because that guy was barely an NHLer.

I understand the Leafs hardly had any injuries last season, and that's bound to readjust this season, so maybe that's what they're banking on doing with Leivo.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 24, 2017, 11:27:33 AM
All this talk about having too many wingers and here we are playing Matt Martin 82 games at 2.5M with 3 more seasons to go, and we lose out on potential assets in Holland, Griffith, Leipsic, and probably Leivo and Rychel. They might all be fringe players, but are they all worse than who is plugging up a spot in the lineup and the extra 1-1.5M to spend?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on August 24, 2017, 11:32:24 AM
All this talk about having too many wingers and here we are playing Matt Martin 82 games at 2.5M with 3 more seasons to go, and we lose out on potential assets in Holland, Griffith, Leipsic, and probably Leivo and Rychel. They might all be fringe players, but are they all worse than who is plugging up a spot in the lineup and the extra 1-1.5M to spend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 08:11:15 AM
PPP: 6. Connor Brown (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/25/16027464/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-connor-brown-new-contract-2017-18-nhl-season-stats)

TLN: 13. Calle Rosen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/25/tln-top-20-prospects-ranking-13-calle-rosen/)

Ca-li Ro-say-en (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=37021) is apparently the best skater ever (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/05/17/ville-leino-calle-rosen-probably-best-skater-ive-played/).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on August 25, 2017, 08:49:30 AM
PPP: 6. Connor Brown (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/25/16027464/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-connor-brown-new-contract-2017-18-nhl-season-stats)

Wonder how he'll do if given more opportunities. I feel like he's had to claw his way to get to where he is now, I'd like to see him crack 45pts.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 09:04:48 AM
Wonder how he'll do if given more opportunities. I feel like he's had to claw his way to get to where he is now, I'd like to see him crack 45pts.

What more opportunity can you give him outside of a Marner/Nylander injury at this point? In order to crack 45 pts, he needs to play opposite someone other than Komarov and less defensive minutes. I don't mind keeping his numbers and $ suppressed. A JvR/Bozak/Komarov trade doesn't really open space for Brown, other than maybe slotting Nylander into the secondary scoring line.

Absent those three, #5 on this list, Kapanen, rises to greater prominence too and fulfills a similar niche to Brown. Brown/Hyman are really good utility pieces (and good pros) for our roster in that they can play up and down the lineup, but they're also the types of players general managers in the past have hamstrung their teams with after successful (post)seasons with loyalty contracts. We're re-upping them at the right time.

Brown is Kunitz/Cheechoo. He's got the skill and speed to keep up with the line drivers and complement them with scoring, but he can't do it on his own. Perfectly fine depth, and a steal of a pick from the 6th round, but ultimately expendable when the time comes.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 25, 2017, 10:15:43 AM
Wonder how he'll do if given more opportunities. I feel like he's had to claw his way to get to where he is now, I'd like to see him crack 45pts.

What more opportunity can you give him outside of a Marner/Nylander injury at this point? In order to crack 45 pts, he needs to play opposite someone other than Komarov and less defensive minutes. I don't mind keeping his numbers and $ suppressed. A JvR/Bozak/Komarov trade doesn't really open space for Brown, other than maybe slotting Nylander into the secondary scoring line.

Absent those three, #5 on this list, Kapanen, rises to greater prominence too and fulfills a similar niche to Brown. Brown/Hyman are really good utility pieces (and good pros) for our roster in that they can play up and down the lineup, but they're also the types of players general managers in the past have hamstrung their teams with after successful (post)seasons with loyalty contracts. We're re-upping them at the right time.

Brown is Kunitz/Cheechoo. He's got the skill and speed to keep up with the line drivers and complement them with scoring, but he can't do it on his own. Perfectly fine depth, and a steal of a pick from the 6th round, but ultimately expendable when the time comes.

I think that Connor Brown's production given his limited ice time was pretty remarkable. 

EVTOI/game - 17th
SHTOI/game - 8th
PPTOI/game - 12th

Given that, he was 4th on the team in even strength goals:

1.  Matthews - 32
2.  JVR - 23
3.  Kadri - 20
4.  Brown - 17
5.  Marner - 15
6.  Nylander - 13

Kunitz had 9 last season.

I get that his shooting % might be unsustainable, but I think his ice-time was pretty low given his production and PK responsibilities. 
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 02:39:02 PM
All this talk about having too many wingers and here we are playing Matt Martin 82 games at 2.5M with 3 more seasons to go, and we lose out on potential assets in Holland, Griffith, Leipsic, and probably Leivo and Rychel. They might all be fringe players, but are they all worse than who is plugging up a spot in the lineup and the extra 1-1.5M to spend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/6vyryt/the_matt_martin_debate/

Just wanted to say that I had no involvement in this.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 02:54:02 PM
I think that Connor Brown's production given his limited ice time was pretty remarkable. 

EVTOI/game - 17th
SHTOI/game - 8th
PPTOI/game - 12th

Given that, he was 4th on the team in even strength goals:

1.  Matthews - 32
2.  JVR - 23
3.  Kadri - 20
4.  Brown - 17
5.  Marner - 15
6.  Nylander - 13

Kunitz had 9 last season.

I get that his shooting % might be unsustainable, but I think his ice-time was pretty low given his production and PK responsibilities.

Yeah it was one of the those rookie seasons we'd normally be over the moon about, except Nylander, Marner, and Matthews happened at the same time (and largely fueled Brown's performance).

Brown had 29 EV pts.
LineEV PtsTOI%
Kadri1141.81%
Matthews1333.76%
Bozak36.86%
4th24.88%

Source: hockey-reference, leftwinglock
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 25, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
I think that Connor Brown's production given his limited ice time was pretty remarkable. 

EVTOI/game - 17th
SHTOI/game - 8th
PPTOI/game - 12th

Given that, he was 4th on the team in even strength goals:

1.  Matthews - 32
2.  JVR - 23
3.  Kadri - 20
4.  Brown - 17
5.  Marner - 15
6.  Nylander - 13

Kunitz had 9 last season.

I get that his shooting % might be unsustainable, but I think his ice-time was pretty low given his production and PK responsibilities.

Yeah it was one of the those rookie seasons we'd normally be over the moon about, except Nylander, Marner, and Matthews happened at the same time (and largely fueled Brown's performance).

Brown had 29 EV pts.
LineEV PtsTOI%
Kadri1141.81%
Matthews1333.76%
Bozak36.86%
4th24.88%

Source: hockey-reference, leftwinglock

And not to get into the whole "quality of competition" measurement debate, but I think it's been established that the Kadri line played the tougher minutes.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 03:13:15 PM
And not to get into the whole "quality of competition" measurement debate, but I think it's been established that the Kadri line played the tougher minutes.

During home games, for the most part, definitely. Away games, Babcock swapped him with Nylander for a stretch to spread the firepower since we couldn't line-match as hard, and then left him with Matthews for a bit mid-season.

Here's his goal/points breakdown by line and home/away:
LineTOIEV PtsEV GsHGAGHAAA
Kadri41.81%1164250
Matthews33.76%1371642
Bozak6.86%331200
4th4.88%211010
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: RedLeaf on August 25, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
I just realized that Leivo went ahead of Dermott. That's pretty questionable.

As herman said, PPP tends to vote more with what they know.  Had they gone more with realistic upside, you'd have Dermott ahead of Leivo for sure and Liljegren ahead of Kapanen and Brown.  Which is how I ranked them.

Well what made it particularly surprising was how low he was on previous lists. In 2015 he was 15th, and last year he dropped all the way back to 18th (behind younger guys like Bracco, Timashov, Johnsson who all have a higher upside). And I don't really think much has changed in regards to his status in the past few years other than his age. He's not really much closer to a full time NHL job than he was 2 years ago.

Yeah, seems that everyone was a bit too impressed with his 10 pts in 13 games last year.  Here's my take on that:  After not playing most of the season, when he got his chances he was running on adrenaline.  Problem is, once that adrenaline rubs off in a full-time NHL role, his main deficiency (skating) would probably prevent him from being 10pts/13gms effective over the long term. 

Leafs are just way too loaded on wing- saying he's no closer to a full time NHL gig is only true because the Leafs improved markedly over that time span.  IMO, on about half of the teams in the league, he'd have a 3rd line winger job in the NHL today.  I'd still rate him higher than the three you mentioned- while they have upside that probably puts them closer to 2nd line winger territory, they are MUCH farther from the NHL (except for maybe Johnsson)

My take on Leivo is this: He deserves to be in the NHL now. He is being told by management he needs to still improve in certain areas of his game (in order to justify keeping him in the AHL). He is an ideal candidate as a replacement for key injuries which hasn't happened yet, but could likely happen this season. The situation has a foul odour to it. Leivo has a right to be upset, but is playing the good soldier, even if its to his detriment.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 08:12:47 PM
Leivo wasn't in the AHL last season except for a conditioning stint.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: RedLeaf on August 26, 2017, 02:39:50 PM
Leivo wasn't in the AHL last season except for a conditioning stint.

Well he wasn't in the NHL last year either. At least not getting regular NHL ice time. To me it feels like he's being used more as an insurance policy instead of being treated like a true NHL a player that he is.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 28, 2017, 08:19:21 AM
PPP: 5. Kasperi Kapanen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/28/16155890/2017-top-25-under-25-kasperi-kapanen-toronto-marlies-maple-leafs-prospects)

TLN: 12. Looks like they forgot to write this article.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 28, 2017, 08:29:26 AM
PPP: 5. Kasperi Kapanen (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/28/16155890/2017-top-25-under-25-kasperi-kapanen-toronto-marlies-maple-leafs-prospects)

My favourite part of that link is the video embed of the all-time worst OT goal call in hockey broadcast history.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
My favourite part of that link is the video embed of the all-time worst OT goal call in hockey broadcast history.

I've always tried to defend Jim Hughson. I get that he doesn't have the excitement in his voice that guys like Bob Cole had, but I always liked that he seemed to be a more knowledgeable option. But that call ended all that. Just awful.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: sneakyray on August 28, 2017, 10:51:45 AM
but guys...come on...I mean...the defenseman did lose his stick.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 28, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
www.twitter.com/LeafsPR/status/902204751055597568

Looks like Korostelev, who doesn't have a contract and whose NHL rights have expired, is still in the fold. Barring an unexpected signing by an NHL team, he will be re-entering the entry draft this coming season.

Also interesting: Carl Grundstrom is on the roster, even though his SHL preseason has started. The SHL season kicks off Sept 16, which is just under a week after this Rookie Tournament (Sept 8-10).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 28, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
When is the Rookie Tourney?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on August 28, 2017, 01:32:24 PM
What's interesting (sad) about that list is that next year's will have for the first time a drafted player born in the year 2000.

I'm getting old.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 28, 2017, 01:39:39 PM
When is the Rookie Tourney?

The SHL season kicks off Sept 16, which is just under a week after this Rookie Tournament (Sept 8-10).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Frank E on August 28, 2017, 02:38:31 PM
When is the Rookie Tourney?

The SHL season kicks off Sept 16, which is just under a week after this Rookie Tournament (Sept 8-10).

Thanks herman, not sure how I missed that.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 28, 2017, 02:43:49 PM
Thanks herman, not sure how I missed that.

Np. I buried the lede a bit.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 29, 2017, 08:22:46 AM
PPP: 4. Morgan Rielly (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/29/16102030/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-morgan-rielly-toronto-maple-leafs-defence)

TLN: 12. Andreas Borgman (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-12-andreas-borgman/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 29, 2017, 09:16:24 AM
Nylander vs Marner: Who takes 2nd place?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2017, 09:25:47 AM
Nylander vs Marner: Who takes 2nd place?

Nylander took it last year. I think he stays there.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 29, 2017, 09:30:31 AM

I think Nylander's versatility will win out. Still, I think Marner has a tremendous amount of room to grow even as an offensive player. More than Nylander even.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 29, 2017, 10:08:27 AM
For reference: 2016's articles on Nylander (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/9/8/12659008/top-25-under-25-william-nylander-is-no-2) (2) and Marner (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/9/7/12573936/maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-mitch-marner-moves-up-to-no-3) (3).

After a full season for both players, how has the assessment changed?
Marner put up a higher PPG than Nylander, but Marner had consistent time with well above average offensive linemates against softer competition, while Nylander always played with one linemate's gloves filled with cement. Marner was vaunted for his backchecking and 200-ft game, but a couple of highlight reel gaffes at his own blueline and the numbers (http://puckiq.com/teams/TOR) bearing out that Nylander actually had better defensive acumen might start to change that conversation.

My own vote goes to Nylander, obviously.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 29, 2017, 12:38:13 PM
According to PPP, #2 and #3 this year will be announced tomorrow, since the two beg comparison and knowing one result answers the other.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 30, 2017, 07:10:53 AM
PPP: 3. Mitch Marner (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/30/16172258/toronto-maple-leafs-2017-top-25-under-25-mitch-marner-number-3)

PPP: 2. William Nylander (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/30/16110792/2017-top-25-under-25-2-william-nylander-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-superstar)

WOOHOO

TLN: 11. Dmytro Timashov (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-20-prospects-ranking-2017-11-dmytro-timashov/)

Incidentally, the three here would make a disgusting line of speed, creativity, and skill.

TLN: 10. Eemeli Rasanen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/30/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-10-eemeli-rasanen/)

Looks like they're making up for the missed Monday post.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: RedLeaf on August 30, 2017, 08:16:36 AM
PPP: 4. Morgan Rielly (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/29/16102030/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-morgan-rielly-toronto-maple-leafs-defence)

TLN: 12. Andreas Borgman (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-12-andreas-borgman/)

It seems longer than its been since Rielly was our top prospect. It still amazing me how 3 drafts later were looking at this team from a completely different perspective than we were the year we drafted Reilly.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on August 31, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
PPP: 1. Auston Matthews (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/31/16008110/2017-toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-under-25-auston-matthews-rookie-records-arizona-hockey)

Even more of a foregone conclusion than last year.

TLN: 9. Yegor Korshkov (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/31/top-20-prospects-ranking-2017-9-yegor-korshkov/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Highlander on September 01, 2017, 10:09:24 AM
PPP: 4. Morgan Rielly (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/29/16102030/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-morgan-rielly-toronto-maple-leafs-defence)

TLN: 12. Andreas Borgman (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-12-andreas-borgman/)

It seems longer than its been since Rielly was our top prospect. It still amazing me how 3 drafts later were looking at this team from a completely different perspective than we were the year we drafted Reilly.
Really since Shanahan was hired there has been a quantum shift in the hockey Universe, a hapless rudderless team, suddenly taken by a man with vision and the strength to see it through, hirings of Dubas, Lou, Hunter. Sticking to the drafts and strengthing development.
A lifetime away from Burkes 18 wheeler.  We have waiting so long, some of us 50 years and finally with a some firm guidance, a little luck (never hurts) and some vision we have the best Leaf team in ages, one that seems to be being built to stand the test of time.
Just want to live long enough to see the Parade once more.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Zee on September 01, 2017, 10:30:21 AM
PPP: 4. Morgan Rielly (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-top-25-prospects-under-25/2017/8/29/16102030/top-25-under-25-2017-toronto-maple-leafs-morgan-rielly-toronto-maple-leafs-defence)

TLN: 12. Andreas Borgman (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/08/29/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-12-andreas-borgman/)

It seems longer than its been since Rielly was our top prospect. It still amazing me how 3 drafts later were looking at this team from a completely different perspective than we were the year we drafted Reilly.
Really since Shanahan was hired there has been a quantum shift in the hockey Universe, a hapless rudderless team, suddenly taken by a man with vision and the strength to see it through, hirings of Dubas, Lou, Hunter. Sticking to the drafts and strengthing development.
A lifetime away from Burkes 18 wheeler.  We have waiting so long, some of us 50 years and finally with a some firm guidance, a little luck (never hurts) and some vision we have the best Leaf team in ages, one that seems to be being built to stand the test of time.
Just want to live long enough to see the Parade once more.

A little luck for sure but then again the organization helped itself get into the best luck spot possible for Matthews.  Marner instead of Strome was taken out of the Leafs hands but that worked out for the best too, and Nylander...well..that was an inspired pick :)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on September 01, 2017, 10:35:15 AM

I think the job Burke did in Anaheim and eventually Calgary is pretty solid proof that the issue wasn't with him not having enough hap or rudder or being unable to come up with good ideas and see them through. For a long time the higher ups wouldn't approve a full rebuild, then they eventually did. That's great and everything but the real shift was in ownership, not Shanahan.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 01, 2017, 10:50:42 AM

I think the job Burke did in Anaheim and eventually Calgary is pretty solid proof that the issue wasn't with him not having enough hap or rudder or being unable to come up with good ideas and see them through. For a long time the higher ups wouldn't approve a full rebuild, then they eventually did. That's great and everything but the real shift was in ownership, not Shanahan.

Yeah, the problem before wasn't Burke, or even JFJ.

I'll give credit to Shanahan for helping ownership get their heads out of their own rears when he played wait and see and let their original choices play out their course into untenability.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 01, 2017, 11:11:28 AM
TLN has about 8 more players to go through, and to the best of my knowledge and list comparison abilities, it appears to be down to:

Adam Brooks
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Carl Grundstrom
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Timothy Liljegren
Travis Dermott

I don't have as good a read on TLN's voting as I feel I do with PPP's, so let's just lay out what I want.

Timothy Liljegren
Andreas Johnsson
Travis Dermott
Carl Grundstrom
Adam Brooks
Jeremy Bracco
Joseph Woll
Andrew Nielsen
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Nik the Trik on September 01, 2017, 11:31:21 AM
I'll give credit to Shanahan for helping ownership get their heads out of their own rears when he played wait and see and let their original choices play out their course into untenability.

Even that seems unfair to ownership. Maybe they should have cleaned house the minute the sale was final but they really only gave Nonis one year post-making the playoffs before deciding he needed a boss.

I don't think Shanahan would have been hired if Bell and Rogers hadn't already decided they were willing to do things differently. I think the longer time table was for Shanahan's benefit, not some sort of crafty long game.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 04, 2017, 08:29:14 PM
TLN: 8. Andreas Johnsson (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/04/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-8-andreas-johnsson/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 05, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
TLN: 7. Joseph Woll (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/05/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-7-joseph-woll/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 06, 2017, 10:22:58 AM
TLN: 6. Andrew Nielsen (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/06/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-6-andrew-nielsen/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 07, 2017, 10:10:26 AM
TLN: 5. Adam Brooks (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/07/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-5-adam-brooks/)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 07, 2017, 05:37:12 PM
www.twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/905893202460372998
www.twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/905893532170412032

Komarov 2.0, now with scoring touch.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 08, 2017, 09:43:17 AM
TLN: 4. Jeremy Bracco (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/08/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-4-jeremy-bracco)

Seth Griffith 2.0  :'(? Prime trade bait if he puts together crazy rookie AHL season points, but remains a 1 zone player.

If his defensive game blossoms and he continues to build strength, why wouldn't you put his crafty playmaking pizazz with a LH shooting centre and a large net crasher on LW?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 11, 2017, 11:04:22 AM
TLN: 3. Carl Grundstrom (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/11/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-2017-3-carl-grundstrom/)

I like this kid's game.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bullfrog on September 11, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
TLN: 4. Jeremy Bracco (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/08/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-4-jeremy-bracco)

Seth Griffith 2.0  :'(? Prime trade bait if he puts together crazy rookie AHL season points, but remains a 1 zone player.

If his defensive game blossoms and he continues to build strength, why wouldn't you put his crafty playmaking pizazz with a LH shooting centre and a large net crasher on LW?

Who do you think has better potential, Bracco or Brooks? Brooks has outscored him (at the same age), but I'm not sure if he's as creative as Bracco.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 11, 2017, 12:01:13 PM
TLN: 4. Jeremy Bracco (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/08/tln-top-prospect-rankings-2017-4-jeremy-bracco)

Seth Griffith 2.0  :'(? Prime trade bait if he puts together crazy rookie AHL season points, but remains a 1 zone player.

If his defensive game blossoms and he continues to build strength, why wouldn't you put his crafty playmaking pizazz with a LH shooting centre and a large net crasher on LW?

Who do you think has better potential, Bracco or Brooks? Brooks has outscored him (at the same age), but I'm not sure if he's as creative as Bracco.

Not an expert by any stretch, but I agree with your assessment. I see Bracco having the higher offensive potential, but Brooks having the more complete game. Bracco's numbers were very dependent on having a finisher he had developed a lot of chemistry with (Mascherin).

Skating: Bracco*
Skill: Bracco
Defense: Brooks
Intangibles: Brooks (https://theathletic.com/97134/2017/09/09/this-kids-special-adam-brooks-earns-high-praise-from-coaches/)
Positional Impact: Brooks

Unfortunately, we didn't get to see Brooks in the Rookie Tournament (thanks again, mono!), but he'll have a pretty good shot with the Marlies.

PPP did a good look at what both players will bring to the Marlies:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

* Mohawk (or 10-2) skating sets Bracco apart from our other skilled and small wingers. Bracco uses it to good effect to see the ice, open up options, freeze defenders, and actually accelerate.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on September 11, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
The Athletic write up on Brooks makes me think he could be the better player... I dunno I've never been sold on Bracco. He never destroyed the OHL the way Brooks destroyed the W

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Zee on September 11, 2017, 03:48:55 PM
The Athletic write up on Brooks makes me think he could be the better player... I dunno I've never been sold on Bracco. He never destroyed the OHL the way Brooks destroyed the W

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Be cool if they both make the Leafs in the future.  Bracco & Brooks sounds like a buddy cop movie.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 12, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
TLN: 2. Travis Dermott (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/12/tln-top-ten-prospect-rankings-2017-2-travis-dermott/)

He's quite steady back there. I look forward to catching some Marlies games to see how our defense corps shapes up with Dermott at the helm (unless he makes the jump!).

Between him, Liljegren, Rosen, and Borgman, the Marlies defense will be extremely mobile (around Valiev, Nielson, LoVerde, Holl).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 13, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
TLN: 1. Timothy Liljegren (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/13/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-1-timothy-liljegren/)

I made a concerted effort to learn how to spell his name partway through last season (around December). Paid off bigly.

You can really tell how surprised a team is to be picking a certain player by how butchered the player's name comes out at the podium.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 13, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
TLN: 1. Timothy Liljegren (https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/13/tln-top-20-prospect-rankings-1-timothy-liljegren/)

I made a concerted effort to learn how to spell his name partway through last season (around December). Paid off bigly.

You can really tell how surprised a team is to be picking a certain player by how butchered the player's name comes out at the podium.

I use the Dangle method:

Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 13, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
I use the Dangle method:


I was pretty daunted when Urho Vaakanainen was on track to be picked around our spot.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on September 18, 2017, 03:52:53 PM
Bourne: Frederik Gauthier is not your punchline
https://theathletic.com/104667/2017/09/18/frederik-gauthier-is-not-your-punchline/

Apparently, the injury on the cusp of making the jump has lit a fire under Gauthier. He is ahead of schedule and already gunning for a spot on the roster.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 11, 2017, 09:24:40 AM
https://theathletic.com/123464/2017/10/11/the-gifted-carl-grundstrom-and-the-art-of-getting-pucks-on-net/

A Carl Grundstrom profile... it'll remain unlocked.

Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2017, 05:02:59 PM
Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

Hmm? I thought you were always pro-Grundstrom, this article makes you NOT want him on Matthews' line?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: L K on October 11, 2017, 05:14:50 PM
Wait, so the Marlies dressed Colin Greening, Ben Smith and Rich Clune over Bracco in both games this weekend?   Why?
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 11, 2017, 05:19:34 PM
Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

Hmm? I thought you were always pro-Grundstrom, this article makes you NOT want him on Matthews' line?

I assume it's because Auston is a shoot first pivot and Grundstrom might not be the best compliment to him.

Right now, Bozak is probably the only past first guy in the middle for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 11, 2017, 05:20:50 PM
Starting to reconsider lining him up on paper with Matthews.

Hmm? I thought you were always pro-Grundstrom, this article makes you NOT want him on Matthews' line?

Right?

It's because he's a shooter; not just a shooter, but a indiscriminant spray and pray shooter. I don't doubt that Matthews could pick up some rebound goals off that, but I think Grundstrom is better suited to Kadri's line where the net is crashed with regularity and pucks are tucked into open sides.

He's DeMar DeRozan.

Matthews is an in-tight (and outside) shooter, and I'd like his wings occupied by a playmaker and a defense clogger who at least wants to get his linemates the puck.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 11, 2017, 05:21:10 PM
Wait, so the Marlies dressed Colin Greening, Ben Smith and Rich Clune over Bracco in both games this weekend?   Why?

Game fitness has been most people's guess. He's a smaller body to begin with, and has been dummying junior hockey on skill.

Top shelf of the roster is also gummed up with Kapanen, Johnsson, Rychel, 11 shots in 2 games Soshnikov, Moore, Aaltonen, Brooks, Timashov.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2017, 05:36:54 PM
Right?

It's because he's a shooter; not just a shooter, but a indiscriminant spray and pray shooter. I don't doubt that Matthews could pick up some rebound goals off that, but I think Grundstrom is better suited to Kadri's line where the net is crashed with regularity and pucks are tucked into open sides.

He's DeMar DeRozan.

Matthews is an in-tight (and outside) shooter, and I'd like his wings occupied by a playmaker and a defense clogger who at least wants to get his linemates the puck.

Ah, gotcha. I figured Grunstrom's ability to shoot like that and create rebounds would be beneficial BECAUSE Matthews scores so many goals from close around the net.

A little further to this point though, I'm not sure we should be going ahead and labelling Matthews as any specific type of offensive player. Yes, in his time here so far he's definitely been more of a shooter but I think that's specifically because of the situation he's in with Hyman and at times Brown. His play with Nylander sure makes him look like an elite playmaker as well.

It reminds me of how when Crosby stepped into the league and he was putting up consecutive seasons of 30 goals+/70 or 80+ assists and people said he'd never end up beating Ovi in goals or winning the Rocket. Then in his 5th season he went out and led the league in goals with 51. I have no doubt that type of talk motivated him to do that. Players like Crosby or Matthews or McDavid aren't just elite in one part of the offensive game.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 12, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
A little further to this point though, I'm not sure we should be going ahead and labelling Matthews as any specific type of offensive player. Yes, in his time here so far he's definitely been more of a shooter but I think that's specifically because of the situation he's in with Hyman and at times Brown. His play with Nylander sure makes him look like an elite playmaker as well.

You know, that's a really good point. I'm basing my label of Matthews on his existing body of work with ZSC and his first season with the Leafs, but we're really still at the ground floor of his career arc and everything I've seen so far shows me that Matthews will put in the work to do whatever it takes for his team to score (even when he's not on the ice).

Your theory that he's a shooter largely because, in his assessment of what's going on on the ice, he usually has the best shot (position, execution) makes sense. He also leveraged Brown's smart positioning and pretty good shot a few times last season (face off 'loss' play).

Not to put him into such lofty territory right away, but, moreso than McDavid and Eichel and other top picks this past decade, Matthews has that similar quality to Crosby in adaptability to styles. He has shown he can start/score those fancy dancer fast break plays; he is one of the better players on the boards with his tight stickwork and quick hands; he can bomb it from a distance with either the one-timer or the snapper or the heavy wrister; he can tip it netfront any which way.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on October 12, 2017, 10:34:29 AM
Wait, so the Marlies dressed Colin Greening, Ben Smith and Rich Clune over Bracco in both games this weekend?   Why?

Game fitness has been most people's guess. He's a smaller body to begin with, and has been dummying junior hockey on skill.

Top shelf of the roster is also gummed up with Kapanen, Johnsson, Rychel, 11 shots in 2 games Soshnikov, Moore, Aaltonen, Brooks, Timashov.

Bracco had Mono earlier this summer and he still hasn't full recovered his strength/conditioning.  Considering how much of a lightweight he was to begin with he's gotta spend even more time bringing it back up to snuff.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-prospect-bracco-case-mono/
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 12, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
Bracco had Mono earlier this summer and he still hasn't full recovered his strength/conditioning.  Considering how much of a lightweight he was to begin with he's gotta spend even more time bringing it back up to snuff.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-prospect-bracco-case-mono/

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks, Coco-puffs. Brooks had it too, but has been seeing game time (centre depth).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Coco-puffs on October 12, 2017, 11:00:47 AM
Bracco had Mono earlier this summer and he still hasn't full recovered his strength/conditioning.  Considering how much of a lightweight he was to begin with he's gotta spend even more time bringing it back up to snuff.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-prospect-bracco-case-mono/

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Thanks, Coco-puffs. Brooks had it too, but has been seeing game time (centre depth).

I'm not going to postulate much about how mono might affect people differently, but Bracco was down almost 20 lbs from last years medical to this years.

https://theathletic.com/108256/2017/09/23/mirtle-every-season-the-leafs-get-new-heights-and-weights-but-are-they-right/

Brooks wasn't listed in the chart in that article, which according to Mirtle, means his weight did not change from last year.

EDIT:  Link with listed info from Marlies website:

http://marlies.ca/roster/335/57

Bracco was listed at almost 190 on hockeydb, down to 171 at this years testing.  (Brooks was 175 on hockeydb, up to 181 at this years testing).  Not sure when the info on hockeydb was updated, but Bracco definitely lost a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 12, 2017, 11:09:05 AM
In addition to Bracco's potential strength/conditioning issues right now, it should be noted that the Marlies are damn deep right now on the wing. Even when he gets into the line-up he's likely looking at just 4th line minutes, at least as long as Kapanen and Soshnikov are taking up the top-2 RW spots.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 12, 2017, 12:42:31 PM
Sounds like mono is the ticket for me to losing some weight. I tried food poisoning earlier this year and that only worked temporarily.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on October 12, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
Sounds like mono is the ticket for me to losing some weight. I tried food poisoning earlier this year and that only worked temporarily.
A strict diet and exercise regimen works pretty well ;)

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 12, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
Sounds like mono is the ticket for me to losing some weight. I tried food poisoning earlier this year and that only worked temporarily.
A strict diet and exercise regimen works pretty well ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/as5HjpJ.gif)
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 18, 2017, 11:58:19 AM
https://theathletic.com/129280/2017/10/18/pronman-a-look-at-how-three-maple-leafs-defence-prospects-are-progressing/

Pronman dropping some observations on three Leafs defence prospects: Liljegren, Gordeev, and Rasanen.

Liljegren looks like a cross between Gardiner and Nylander (stylistically). Let's see if he can put it all together like they have.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2017, 04:00:43 PM
Thanks Herman, I have been sitting on the fence for a long time to sign up to The Athletic but it is a really great site and don't mind paying for the great writing and the ad free environment.  So you got me involved, time to claim commission.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Bender on October 18, 2017, 05:36:49 PM
Thanks Herman, I have been sitting on the fence for a long time to sign up to The Athletic but it is a really great site and don't mind paying for the great writing and the ad free environment.  So you got me involved, time to claim commission.
Old model is failing. Good writers and good content deserve to be paid. Esp when you see sports sections get cut everywhere these days.

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Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 19, 2017, 04:50:20 PM
https://theathletic.com/132446/2017/10/19/i-couldnt-sit-frederik-gauthiers-long-gruelling-road-back-to-marlies/

Scott Wheeler got to speak to Gauthier about his recovery from the gruesome injury that ended his last season, an injury that rendered him unable to sit or stand for a week preceding the surgery that would reattach the hamstring that had been torn loose from his left femur.

He suited up last weekend for two games, well ahead of his projected recovery schedule.

Highlander, you can read this now!
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Highlander on October 20, 2017, 09:18:57 AM
Hey Herman
Read it yesterday and good for Freddie, and although I have tried to learn not to love long shots (Frattin, etc.) I would sincerely hope that Freddie can be 4th line Centre down the road a bit.   He has shown a ton of character and resolve.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: princedpw on October 20, 2017, 10:20:09 AM
Thanks Herman, I have been sitting on the fence for a long time to sign up to The Athletic but it is a really great site and don't mind paying for the great writing and the ad free environment.  So you got me involved, time to claim commission.
Old model is failing. Good writers and good content deserve to be paid.

+1
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on October 28, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Jeff Veillette did a long-form review of our prospects before the season started and they are now publicly available for your perusal.

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/28/public-release-2017-leafs-prospect-rankings/

Things have changed a bit since then.

Korshkov especially! They had a coaching change about 8 games ago, and since then, he scored 8 pts (4G/4A).
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on November 05, 2017, 07:20:22 PM
Joseph Woll making life interesting for himself:
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on November 10, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
https://theathletic.com/150306/2017/11/10/wheeler-the-complete-maple-leafs-prospect-ranking-first-edition/

Wheeler takes a walk down the Leafs' prospect pipeline.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 16, 2017, 03:10:57 PM
Eemeli Rsnen is an intriguing prospect.  Seems like the type of d-man the Leafs could use.  Hopefully he develops. 
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 17, 2017, 03:43:30 PM
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on November 19, 2017, 10:31:49 AM

Think Connor Brown but even more skilled.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 19, 2017, 10:57:13 AM
Johnsson's an interesting player because he's eligible for waivers next season, but he hasn't even gotten a whiff of a NHL chance yet.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: L K on November 19, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
One thing about Johnsson is that it took him about half a year to get going in the AHL last year....he was also coming off a concussion from that dirty Albany team in the postseason the year before.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on November 19, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
My sense of the organizations position on Johnsson is that hes pretty much another Brown. Brown didnt get much NHL time (7 games to close out the tank) but he had basically already won an NHL job before that and was held down for recovery reasons.
Title: Re: Ranking Prospects - 2017-18
Post by: herman on November 20, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/11/20/16678684/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-carl-grundstrom-to-have-knee-surgery

Noooooooooooooo