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Title: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on June 30, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
What better way to kick off the new Marlies thread than with the announcement that Dubas has re-signed Dicky Clune!

www.twitter.com/TorontoMarlies/status/880803488065835008
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
Justin Bourne appears to be leaving his video coaching gig for the Marlies to write for The Athletic.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on June 30, 2017, 12:58:35 PM
Justin Bourne appears to be leaving his video coaching gig for the Marlies to write for The Athletic.

Getting his voice out of Lou's cone of silence is a boon to the community.

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/30/marlies-re-sign-rich-clune-make-changes-in-staff/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
Not the cone of silence Max! (or Lou)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 03:25:20 PM
Development Camp Roster Announced

https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/news/maple-leafs-announce-development-camp-details/c-290240924

37 of the 57 invitees are from outside the organisation, it'll be interesting to see if anyone sticks around.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 30, 2017, 03:31:25 PM
Development Camp Roster Announced

https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/news/maple-leafs-announce-development-camp-details/c-290240924

37 of the 57 invitees are from outside the organisation, it'll be interesting to see if anyone sticks around.

www.twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/880867851241967617

More evidence that this guy doesn't even exist.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 03:42:35 PM

@ScottWheeler
The Leafs have invited two of my top undrafted prospects to development camp in Austen Keating and Linus Nyman.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2017, 03:46:23 PM

@ScottWheeler
The Leafs have invited two of my top undrafted prospects to development camp in Austen Keating and Linus Nyman.
This should piss of A. Matthew but make Charlie Brown and Snoopy very happy!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
Some rumblings on social media that Sheldon Keefe will be one of the candidates interviewing for the vacant Coyotes job.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2017, 07:16:33 PM
Some rumblings on social media that Sheldon Keefe will be one of the candidates interviewing for the vacant Coyotes job.

Although perhaps fittingly, one of the others is Dallas Eakins.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 05, 2017, 08:10:49 AM
Justin Holl's been re-signed a 1-year, two-way contract. Dependable right-handed defenceman from the Marlies last season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on July 05, 2017, 09:21:57 AM
Some rumblings on social media that Sheldon Keefe will be one of the candidates interviewing for the vacant Coyotes job.

Although perhaps fittingly, one of the others is Dallas Eakins.

I wonder if Eakins gets another shot.  He was a disaster in Edmonton, although I don't know if that was all his fault or just the culture of losing that was in Edmonton at the time.  Coach Eakins seemed to rub alot of the media the wrong way with his pronouncements and attitude after he got the job too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 09:57:28 AM
I miss Griffith.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/7/5/15910756/toronto-maple-leafs-marlies-roster-changes-brendan-leipsic-andrew-campbell-anotine-bibeau

Current Marlies, with more to come.
LWCRW
RychelGreeningKapanen
Aaltonen*MooreBracco*
SoshnikovBrooks*
TimashovMeuller
JohnssonGauthier+
Grundstrom*Fehr
LindbergSmith
Clune

LDRD
DermottHoll
ValievLoVerde
Nielsen
Rosen*
Borgman*

* Newbs
+ Busted

Oddly enough, the LW is a position of depth and strength on the Marlies, opposite of the Leafs' situation (until trades happen). Soshnikov is a left shot, but plays almost exclusively on the right side (shot happy), and should be on the Marlies to start the season thanks to waiver exemption and being not as good as everyone else on the right side. Kapanen might be a victim of waiver-exemption as well, so that'd inject some scoring.

Both Grundstrom, Johnsson, and Aaltonen can play RW thanks to Euro league experience. All of our Centres (so far) are lefties though, so that's not exactly ideal for the transition game if we're trucking up the ice with the easiest pass being to the backhand of at least one player. I think J.J. Piccinich gets an AHL contract (even though his rights haven't expired yet) as he really only tops out as bottom-6 AHL.

As is the case with the Leafs and the league as a whole, our LD side is overflowing, while our right side is a desert. Rosen can play RD, and Nielsen might as well shift over to take advantage of his shot, given that the defensive drop is pretty much moot with his terrible defense to begin with. Maybe Jesper Lindgren makes the trip across the Atlantic with so many other Swedes on the team to help him feel at home.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on July 05, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
I miss Griffith.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/7/5/15910756/toronto-maple-leafs-marlies-roster-changes-brendan-leipsic-andrew-campbell-anotine-bibeau

Current Marlies, with more to come.
LWCRW
RychelGreeningKapanen
Aaltonen*MooreBracco*
SoshnikovBrooks*
TimashovMeuller
JohnssonGauthier+
Grundstrom*Fehr
LindbergSmith
Clune

LDRD
DermottHoll
ValievLoVerde
Nielsen
Rosen*
Borgman*

* Newbs
+ Busted

Oddly enough, the LW is a position of depth and strength on the Marlies, opposite of the Leafs' situation (until trades happen). Soshnikov is a left shot, but plays almost exclusively on the right side (shot happy), and should be on the Marlies to start the season thanks to waiver exemption and being not as good as everyone else on the right side. Kapanen might be a victim of waiver-exemption as well, so that'd inject some scoring.

Both Grundstrom, Johnsson, and Aaltonen can play RW thanks to Euro league experience. All of our Centres (so far) are lefties though, so that's not exactly ideal for the transition game if we're trucking up the ice with the easiest pass being to the backhand of at least one player. I think J.J. Piccinich gets an AHL contract (even though his rights haven't expired yet) as he really only tops out as bottom-6 AHL.

As is the case with the Leafs and the league as a whole, our LD side is overflowing, while our right side is a desert. Rosen can play RD, and Nielsen might as well shift over to take advantage of his shot, given that the defensive drop is pretty much moot with his terrible defense to begin with. Maybe Jesper Lindgren makes the trip across the Atlantic with so many other Swedes on the team to help him feel at home.

I'm real interested to see how Brooks, Grundstrom, Aaltonen and Bracco do this season.  Leafs have so many forward prospects I hope some break through.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
I'm pretty excited to see what Timashov can do with more ice time (and someone like Bracco or Johnsson to feed).

I expect we'll move on from a handful of prospects pretty soon, starting with Lindberg, Rychel, Valiev, and Soshnikov as they don't appear to fit the team going forward, but have trade not-insubstantial value.

And these guys probably aren't getting ELCs: Vesey (you had one job!), Engvall, Joshua, Piccinich, Bobylev, Chebykin, Mattinen, Middleton

Edit: Jeff posted this before I did, but I swear I didn't see it until now.
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/05/10-players-left-expendable-by-the-current-leafs-depth-chart/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on July 05, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
Good work Herminator, stop brushing with toothpaste and start brushing with paint thinner!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 09:06:56 PM
Good work Herminator, stop brushing with toothpaste and start brushing with paint thinner!

If I had paint stains, that just might work.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 10, 2017, 07:44:43 AM
The Recovery: The rise, fall and redemption of the Clune brothers
https://theathletic.com/60836/2017/07/08/the-recovery-the-rise-fall-and-redemption-of-the-clune-brothers/

Must read. Maybe prepare for crying.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

Brooks is like... better Bozak. Bracco is like... not as productive Marner.

Let's see some lines... assuming Kapanen makes the jump.

Rychel - Mueller - Johnsson | Mueller should have lots of options down low or in the high slot
Greening - Brooks - Bracco | Greening adds speedy size to this line of smart playmakers
Timashov - Moore - Grundstrom | So many alley-oops from left half wall to back post
Lindberg - Aaltonen - Smith | Smith is the sniper on this line. Haha
Clune - Gauthier - Soshnikov | Sosh will shoot from wherever, so let's make sure the goalie's eyes are obstructed

Dermott - Liljegren | because this is what we all want to see
Borgman - Rosen | Free chemistry; slightly secret crosstalk too
Nielsen - LoVerde | LoVerde is, by all accounts, upper-tier AHL; should teach Nielsen defense.
Valiev - Holl | Marlies classic. Might be a tire fire.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 13, 2017, 02:30:05 PM
What a logjam!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 13, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

Brooks is like... better Bozak. Bracco is like... not as productive Marner.

Let's see some lines... assuming Kapanen makes the jump.

Rychel - Mueller - Johnsson | Mueller should have lots of options down low or in the high slot
Greening - Brooks - Bracco | Greening adds speedy size to this line of smart playmakers
Timashov - Moore - Grundstrom | So many alley-oops from left half wall to back post
Lindberg - Aaltonen - Smith | Smith is the sniper on this line. Haha
Clune - Gauthier - Soshnikov | Sosh will shoot from wherever, so let's make sure the goalie's eyes are obstructed

Dermott - Liljegren | because this is what we all want to see
Borgman - Rosen | Free chemistry; slightly secret crosstalk too
Nielsen - LoVerde | LoVerde is, by all accounts, upper-tier AHL; should teach Nielsen defense.
Valiev - Holl | Marlies classic. Might be a tire fire.

Missing some players on AHL only deals:

JJ Piccinich
Jean Dupuy
Max Novak

Won't be surprised to see the three of them with the Solar Bears though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 02:45:57 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

Brooks is like... better Bozak. Bracco is like... not as productive Marner.

Let's see some lines... assuming Kapanen makes the jump.

Rychel - Mueller - Johnsson | Mueller should have lots of options down low or in the high slot
Greening - Brooks - Bracco | Greening adds speedy size to this line of smart playmakers
Timashov - Moore - Grundstrom | So many alley-oops from left half wall to back post
Lindberg - Aaltonen - Smith | Smith is the sniper on this line. Haha
Clune - Gauthier - Soshnikov | Sosh will shoot from wherever, so let's make sure the goalie's eyes are obstructed

Dermott - Liljegren | because this is what we all want to see
Borgman - Rosen | Free chemistry; slightly secret crosstalk too
Nielsen - LoVerde | LoVerde is, by all accounts, upper-tier AHL; should teach Nielsen defense.
Valiev - Holl | Marlies classic. Might be a tire fire.

Missing some players on AHL only deals:

JJ Piccinich
Jean Dupuy
Max Novak

Won't be surprised to see the three of them with the Solar Bears though.

Oh yeah, JJ. I think he slots in actually, because the Marlies are astoundingly short on RWers with Griffith and Kapanen gone/graduated.

I also forgot to mention Marchenko, who if he is not traded or picked up on the waiver wire, will help bolster our numerically weaker RD side. Eric Fehr is another possibility, but I think he gets traded.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on July 13, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
What a logjam!

^this is well done.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on July 13, 2017, 04:14:14 PM
Whats the sitch with Leivo next year? Marlies or Leafs?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 05:00:02 PM
Whats the sitch with Leivo next year? Marlies or Leafs?

He needs waivers to pass through, so he's pretty much not going to be a Marlie.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 12:10:55 PM
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/14/toronto-marlies-sign-michael-paliotta-to-ahl-contract/

Dubas adds depth to the right side defense with another reclamation project. Big, mobile defenseman with offensive instincts that weren't nurtured earlier.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
What a logjam!

^this is well done.

I've been hearing that word very frequently in Leafs media this summer.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on July 14, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
What a logjam!

^this is well done.

I've been hearing that word very frequently in Leafs media this summer.

What's the latest you've heard on Gauthier, herman?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
What's the latest you've heard on Gauthier, herman?

Last I heard from Mirtle via the Leaf Report a couple weeks ago was that Gauthier's injury is baaaaad. Horrific. Muscle torn off the bone, especially on a longer limb of a rather tall person. Surgery fixed it up but the road to recovery will push beyond training camp and probably season start.

Edit: I forgot to capitalize Gauthier's name!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on July 14, 2017, 06:32:09 PM
What's the latest you've heard on Gauthier, herman?

Last I heard from Mirtle via the Leaf Report a couple weeks ago was that gauthier's injury is baaaaad. Horrific. Muscle torn off the bone, especially on a longer limb of a rather tall person. Surgery fixed it up but the road to recovery will push beyond training camp and probably season start.
That is a real sad thing to hear, in the AZ game I attended he was a very strong presense on the ice, I believe he may have even scored (not sure now), but he had a couple of great chances in that game and was noticeable. Hopefully this is not the end, just a sidestep in his development.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 11:14:00 PM
Gauthier was starting to look better just prior to his injury; I hope the best for his recovery. I don't see him being a long term fit for the Leafs either way, unfortunately, as he's on the tail end of his growth potential and he was barely a 3rd line centre for the Marlies. This injury is only going to further hold back whatever strides he was making mobility-wise in an increasingly fast-paced game.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on July 14, 2017, 11:45:15 PM
Whats the sitch with Leivo next year? Marlies or Leafs?

He needs waivers to pass through, so he's pretty much not going to be a Marlie.
Cheers. Bench warmer until the first injury up front I suspect .
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 21, 2017, 12:56:06 PM
Kristian Pospisil, development camp invitee and standout, has earned himself a two-way AHL contract.

Also: Alex Gudbranson has a two-way AHL deal as well.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 11:24:15 AM
Martins Dzierkals, who has aged out of the CHL, has been signed to a one-year AHL deal with the Marlies. His NHL rights expire June 1, 2019, so we've got a bit of runway to assess his fit.

He plays with a physicality that our crop of small skilled forwards normally eschews. His body might not be quite large enough yet to make full use of it, but he looks to me to be a high-end digger type of player, a la Hyman, but slightly smaller and with better hands. Would be a fun LW option on a limited minutes skilled 4th line as he could just go maximum effort every shift.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 14, 2017, 11:47:59 AM
Martins Dzierkals, who has aged out of the CHL, has been signed to a one-year AHL deal with the Marlies. His NHL rights expire June 1, 2019, so we've got a bit of runway to assess his fit.

He was one of the extra picks the Leafs ended up getting after passing on Konecny and trading down in 2015 (along with Dermott and Bracco). Had a promising D+1 year but his point totals took a hit in his D+2 season which isn't a good sign (although he did deal with some injuries).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 11:52:17 AM
He was one of the extra picks the Leafs ended up getting after passing on Konecny and trading down in 2015 (along with Dermott and Bracco). Had a promising D+1 year but his point totals took a hit in his D+2 season which isn't a good sign (although he did deal with some injuries).

Yeah, he played through a high ankle sprain and forced it for the World Juniors too. He's got that engine that Babcock goes on and on about and plays a 200-ft game with speed and skill. Thommie Bergman is also really high on him. The only knock is that he is slight of frame and generally unknown. Not having to spend an ELC on him (yet) but keeping him under team supervision and control is amazing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 14, 2017, 12:10:55 PM
Not having to spend an ELC on him (yet) but keeping him under team supervision and control is amazing.

Yup, this was part of the vision Dubas had of really creating an MLB style development program here.

Some players won't go for it because it's usually less money and not how things are traditionally done, but for Toronto who can provide facilities, coaches, food even, it's a great opportunity for all parties.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 08:12:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21QwKzb2Wg
Dzierkals highlight package.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 15, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Justin Bourne, former Marlies video coach who used to be a hockey writer and is now a contributor to the Athletic, released his first article for the website today about what he learned after two seasons with the Marlies. It's a good look at the human element that a job like his had:

Quote
Theres little doubt that at some point during my tenure with The Athletic Ill write something hyper-specific, like 1000-plus words on the unacceptable route of a back-checking forward who ends up having less than zero impact on a non-threatening rush.

It will, in due time, get fairly granular.

And, that sort of thing is easy. What isnt, is figuring out where to start after spending two seasons with the Maple Leafs organization and getting to know the characters, the systems and everything in between.

So for this first week what Id like to do is paint the view from the top of the CN Tower: what I learned in my transition to working on a coaching staff, what separates the players at the fringes of the NHL and AHL, how I learned to watch the game as a coach and a look at what life is like for a buried NHL player.

https://theathletic.com/84567/2017/08/15/bourne-what-i-learned-after-two-seasons-on-the-toronto-marlies-coaching-staff/

There's going to be lots of good stuff coming from Justin in the future I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 16, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
There's going to be lots of good stuff coming from Justin in the future I'm sure.

Like the very next day!

https://theathletic.com/84966/2017/08/16/bourne-a-closer-look-at-who-makes-the-nhl-who-falls-short-and-why/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 18, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
Bourne sequels coming out like... hang on. I thought I had something for this. Ugh, this is going to bug me.

https://theathletic.com/85826/2017/08/17/bourne-what-life-is-like-for-a-former-nhler-playing-in-the-ahl/

This one is some tough insight to digest. Props to Colin Greening all day.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 23, 2017, 10:47:24 AM
A corollary to The Athletic article Coco-puffs posted in the Ranking Prospects thread (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=4576.msg301546#msg301546),

www.twitter.com/jtbourne/status/900117774420389889
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 11:44:36 PM
Gauthier was starting to look better just prior to his injury; I hope the best for his recovery. I don't see him being a long term fit for the Leafs either way, unfortunately, as he's on the tail end of his growth potential and he was barely a 3rd line centre for the Marlies. This injury is only going to further hold back whatever strides he was making mobility-wise in an increasingly fast-paced game.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/08/24/leaf-prospect-gauthier-takes-comeback-a-step-at-a-time.html

As mentioned earlier in the off-season/playoffs by Mirtle, Gauthier's injury was horrifically bad.

Quote
His left hamstring detached. He had surgery to reattach it, and a long, gruelling summer of therapy and training that began with the basics of learning how to walk again was underway. He was unable to walk for six weeks while doctors waited for the hamstring to fully take hold.

He's back in skates now, but strength needs to be built back up from scratch. Maybe like Stroman, this is an opportunity for Gauthier's skating stride to be re-built from the ground up under Barb Underhill's watch.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bullfrog on August 26, 2017, 01:58:13 PM
Anytime you use the word "detached" in concert with a human body part, it can't be good. Glad he's on the road to recovery.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 02, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
https://theathletic.com/116157/2017/10/02/marlies-cuts-set-to-bolster-solar-bears-roster-more-than-ever-before/

Quote
After Monday's round of cuts, instead of returning eligible draftees to their CHL clubs, the Marlies announced they would send them to the Solar Bears. Only Korostelev, of the drafted prospects, was released and will return to the Peterborough Petes.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/10/2/16400186/toronto-marlies-training-camp-cuts-orlando-solar-bears-echl-ahl-bobylyov-korostelev

The logjam runs all the way through the organization, and the Solar Bears are being leveraged as an additional tier of development more closely tied to the big club than most affiliates.

It's very gummed up this season (didn't have to be; it is what it is right now), but there is hope on the horizon for these prospects with a healthy handful of expiring contracts on the Leafs.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: cabber24 on October 02, 2017, 04:08:49 PM
https://theathletic.com/116157/2017/10/02/marlies-cuts-set-to-bolster-solar-bears-roster-more-than-ever-before/

Quote
After Monday's round of cuts, instead of returning eligible draftees to their CHL clubs, the Marlies announced they would send them to the Solar Bears. Only Korostelev, of the drafted prospects, was released and will return to the Peterborough Petes.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/10/2/16400186/toronto-marlies-training-camp-cuts-orlando-solar-bears-echl-ahl-bobylyov-korostelev

The logjam runs all the way through the organization, and the Solar Bears are being leveraged as an additional tier of development more closely tied to the big club than most affiliates.

It's very gummed up this season (didn't have to be; it is what it is right now), but there is hope on the horizon for these prospects with a healthy handful of expiring contracts on the Leafs.
Bozak and JVR are still a big part of this team. I don't agree with ridding them just to make room for a few prospects. I am sure if they could have improved their D in a meaningful way by trading one they would have.

It's not the worst thing to have some NHL tier depth in system for when injuries happen. A top 9 forward or 2 goes down and the Leafs won't miss a beat with the caliber of players in their system.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Arn on October 03, 2017, 05:07:21 AM
At the same time, both the Marlies and Solar Bears should be VERY fun to watch this year.

Is it even worth having a Solar Bears thread somewhere?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 06, 2017, 08:50:24 AM
When do the Marlies start and will they be telecasting a lot of games?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2017, 05:24:52 PM
Marlies lines for their first game of the season:

Rychel-Aaltonen-Kapanen
Johnsson-Mueller-Soshnikov
Greening-Brooks-Moore
Clune-Smith-Timashov

Dermott-LoVerde
Nielsen-Holl
Valiev-Liljegren

Sparks
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 13, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/12/marlies-consider-loaning-players/

If you're wondering when Leivo would possibly see ice time with the Leafs, well, let's look at the logjam on the Marlies. Fortunately, the AHL has a built-in solution that might be amenable to the team for some of our old-prospects that probably don't really have a shot at the big club.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 16, 2017, 04:09:24 PM

fire emojis
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2017, 04:47:00 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on October 16, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 16, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.

Would he be allowed to be hired mid-season by someone else? Because that seems insane.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 16, 2017, 04:59:53 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.

Would he be allowed to be hired mid-season by someone else? Because that seems insane.

If it's for a HC gig at the NHL level I think he'd be allowed.

If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 16, 2017, 05:00:15 PM
How much is it Keefe, and how much is it the Leafs suppressing their NHL youth for the tank year, and keeping a huge backlog of NHL-ready players in the AHL?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on October 16, 2017, 05:03:55 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.

Would he be allowed to be hired mid-season by someone else? Because that seems insane.

The Leafs would have to sign-off on it, but, it's possible. A team hiring an AHL coach from another franchise would certainly be an unusual move, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2017, 05:09:35 PM
If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.

In the offseason, sure, but I'm fairly certain other teams consider it a professional courtesy to not poach guys like that mid-season. I really can't remember a time where that's happened before. That's usually why teams name intern head coaches.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 16, 2017, 05:49:16 PM
If it's for a HC gig at the NHL level I think he'd be allowed.

If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.

Like CtB said that's the case when the team has an off-season to replace them and make other plans. I don't think a team would be on-board with a disruption to their AHL team as a professional courtesy while potentially improving a competitor.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 16, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
If it's for a HC gig at the NHL level I think he'd be allowed.

If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.

Like CtB said that's the case when the team has an off-season to replace them and make other plans. I don't think a team would be on-board with a disruption to their AHL team as a professional courtesy while potentially improving a competitor.

That's fair, I just assumed that if it was for a direct promotion, they'd let them go, but I understand where you're coming from, that makes sense.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 16, 2017, 08:01:33 PM
That's fair, I just assumed that if it was for a direct promotion, they'd let them go, but I understand where you're coming from, that makes sense.

To be clear, I don't actually know what the deal is. Just I can't think of a time where a AHL coach switched organizations mid-year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 21, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
Couple of Liljegren gifs from this afternoons game:

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 21, 2017, 10:03:52 PM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 22, 2017, 09:09:10 AM
He looks like the real deal so far, lots of skill and composure
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 22, 2017, 10:46:54 AM
Maracin has looked good with the Marlies, definitely too good for the AHL. Perhaps he can be part of some form of trade with Bozak
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 23, 2017, 10:12:36 PM
As Jeff Veilette suggested (http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/12/marlies-consider-loaning-players/) earlier this month upon Pickard's arrival, Kasimir Kaskisuo has been loaned to the Chicago Wolves, AHL affiliate of the Vegas Golden Knights, who are, as you may have heard, suffering a severe goalie shortage.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: princedpw on October 23, 2017, 10:56:43 PM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that hes sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 24, 2017, 09:13:17 AM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that hes sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 24, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that hes sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Good Analysis Herman, when do you start with The Athletic?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on October 24, 2017, 11:11:55 AM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that hes sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Good Analysis Herman, when do you start with The Athletic?

I dont think Herman wants anything to do with those bloodsuckers ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2017, 01:08:04 PM

I would have liked to have heard him gush about Liljgren a little more, but still some good updates on Brooks and Bracco.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 01, 2017, 01:51:28 PM
Talking up the Marlies' money savvy to entice insulation veterans:
https://theathletic.com/142913/2017/10/31/marlies-use-financial-power-to-strike-unique-balance-between-budding-prospects-ahl-veterans/

The team build on the Marlies is pretty similar to the Leafs in terms of allocation of players to development tiers (per Lou's preference): one third veterans, one third prime players, one third developing players. Neither team invests in veterans to do heavy, heavy lifting on the production side (duh), but they have one mentor (or two or three on the Marlies) for every position.

Highlighting the Marlies' veterans are Chris Mueller and Vincent LoVerde, former Calder Cup champions who both received a substantial guaranteed pay bump to play here for a stable 2 seasons with a pretty clear indication they will not be receiving an NHL promotions.

Also this tasty nugget:
Quote
And everyone is on the same page.

You cant develop or reach your potential if you dont come to the rink motivated in practice and games, Keefe said of the balance. If youre not, it becomes challenging real quick to get the most out of people. A competitive environment is extremely healthy and necessary.

Keefe credits AHL star Ben Smith, who has played on the Marlies' fourth line for the majority of this season, for still being the team's most productive forward. When Frederik Gauthier returned to the lineup, he volunteered to switch to the wing so that Adam Brooks could keep getting minutes.

Others, like Rich Clune and Colin Greening, are fine playing on the fourth line or sitting in the press box too.

That's Smith volunteering to run wing for Brooks (not Gauthier, as the grammar of that sentence implies).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Crucialness Key on November 01, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
Talking up the Marlies' money savvy to entice insulation veterans:
https://theathletic.com/142913/2017/10/31/marlies-use-financial-power-to-strike-unique-balance-between-budding-prospects-ahl-veterans/

The team build on the Marlies is pretty similar to the Leafs in terms of allocation of players to development tiers (per Lou's preference): one third veterans, one third prime players, one third developing players. Neither team invests in veterans to do heavy, heavy lifting on the production side (duh), but they have one mentor (or two or three on the Marlies) for every position.

Highlighting the Marlies' veterans are Chris Mueller and Vincent LoVerde, former Calder Cup champions who both received a substantial guaranteed pay bump to play here for a stable 2 seasons with a pretty clear indication they will not be receiving an NHL promotions.

Also this tasty nugget:
Quote
And everyone is on the same page.

You cant develop or reach your potential if you dont come to the rink motivated in practice and games, Keefe said of the balance. If youre not, it becomes challenging real quick to get the most out of people. A competitive environment is extremely healthy and necessary.

Keefe credits AHL star Ben Smith, who has played on the Marlies' fourth line for the majority of this season, for still being the team's most productive forward. When Frederik Gauthier returned to the lineup, he volunteered to switch to the wing so that Adam Brooks could keep getting minutes.

Others, like Rich Clune and Colin Greening, are fine playing on the fourth line or sitting in the press box too.

That's Smith volunteering to run wing for Brooks (not Gauthier, as the grammar of that sentence implies).

Glad you clarified because it really does read like Goat moved himself to wing, which would be... ungood
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 01, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
Glad you clarified because it really does read like Goat moved himself to wing, which would be... ungood

I cross referenced announced Marlies' lineups to be sure.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 07, 2017, 03:15:57 PM
https://theathletic.com/144694/2017/11/02/wheeler-a-comprehensive-review-of-the-first-place-toronto-marlies-recent-play/ (https://theathletic.com/144694/2017/11/02/wheeler-a-comprehensive-review-of-the-first-place-toronto-marlies-recent-play/)

An excellent look at the Marlies roster/lines.  In essence, the team's best are the likes of Soshnikov, Johnson, Smith, Kapanen and Marchment, all who have upped their levels of play.  On the special teams especially the PK & etc., it's Ben Smith who leads and is considered the team's next best player after Soshnikov.

As for the defence, Lilejgren and Dermot take their spots, with both improving their defensive side.

In goal, it's Garrett Sparks all the way (best save percentage in the AHL).
Calvin Pickard has lagged somewhat from his strong start (debut).

From the writer's point of view, Soshnikov and Johnsson may well be NHL-ready (add in Kapanen who looks to have improved his speed & aggressiveness), while the defence, Dermott may have what it takes, though both Lilejgren & Dermott need a bit more time in tweaking and correcting the subtleties of their play especially Lilejgren.
 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 14, 2017, 09:05:30 PM
Dzierkals, who is on an AHL deal but hasn't seen any game action this season, has been loaned to the Solar Bears to get some work in. Keefe is pretty high on his skill set, and it'll be a matter of putting on pro-level strength and putting all those tools together. Think Soshnikov with more snarl and willingness to get into the middle of the ice (at least last year's Sosh).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 20, 2017, 09:38:15 AM

This really hasn't received much attention anywhere, but Liljegren's been out with an upper-body injury since November 4th. He's missed 6 games in that span.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 20, 2017, 10:10:06 AM

This really hasn't received much attention anywhere, but Liljegren's been out with an upper-body injury since November 4th. He's missed 6 games in that span.

Wait a minute, Matthews was out too, also with an upper body injury.  Coincidence? Or were they at a secret "Foundations of Future Stanley Cup winning teams" meeting?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 20, 2017, 10:57:46 AM
Wait a minute, Matthews was out too, also with an upper body injury.  Coincidence? Or were they at a secret "Foundations of Future Stanley Cup winning teams" meeting?

Low key trip to Sweden to check out all of Dahlin's water bottles. #mononucollusiosis
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 23, 2017, 09:43:39 AM
Stay calm everyone, Liljegren's back. Picked up an assist in a 5-2 win last night. These were the lines the Marlies went with:

Marchment-Aaltonen-Kapanen
Timashov-Mueller-Johnsson
Rychel-Gauthier-Greening
Moore-Smith-Clune

Dermott-Liljegren
Marincin-Holl
Nielsen-Rosen

Sparks

Aaltonen had a pretty nifty goal in the win:


Just his 3rd in 17 games though. He has 9 points on the season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 23, 2017, 10:55:31 AM
The Marlies are steamrolling their division right now, and among the top 3 teams in the league.

They have the best goal differential (+25), the second fewest goals allowed (35, while the lowest at 33 has played 4 fewer games and is -4), and the second most goals for (65, 2 behind the leaders with 67 who have both played one more game), all with a fairly inconsistent lineup. Only 5 players have played every game so far (Smith, Timashov, Greening, Rychel, Mueller).

Sparks is also playing on fire.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 23, 2017, 11:12:18 AM
Sparks leads all AHL goalies in GAA (1.56) and Sv% (0.946), and is tied for 1st in wins (9) and shutouts (2). He's the clear cut best goalie in the AHL right now.

Bibeau is also having a hell of a season for San Jose's AHL affiliate. He's only 4-3 but he has a 1.82 GAA and 0.933 Sv%.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bullfrog on November 24, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
That's great news. I had (still have?) serious doubts about him turning into anything, but maybe he's actually got a chance.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 25, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Timothy Liljegren gets the in-depth profile treatment
https://theathletic.com/165235/2017/11/25/timothy-liljegren-ahead-of-the-curve-on-and-off-the-ice-with-marlies/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 26, 2017, 09:32:52 PM
Marlies continuing to set fire to the league, and sit 16-4 in their first 20 games this season, thanks to (very) solid goaltending, a mobile defense corps, and scoring from all four lines.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on November 27, 2017, 11:13:50 AM
Time for Sparky to become our McBackup
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on November 27, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
That's great news. I had (still have?) serious doubts about him turning into anything, but maybe he's actually got a chance.

It seems that goalies can have a much more extended development curve, but skaters seem to top out at 22-23 years old.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 27, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
https://m.soundcloud.com/leafs-geeks/episode-72-prospect-update-with-scott-wheeler

Scott Wheeler joins LeafsGeeksPodcast to review the progress of some Marlies. He also dips into what's up with non-Marlies prospects towards the end.

Dermott is getting the Rielly treatment this season, getting a load of defensive matchups and PK-only, hence his numbers this year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 27, 2017, 02:06:16 PM
The Athletic took a deep-dive into Garret Sparks' game.
https://theathletic.com/166961/2017/11/27/behind-the-save-the-technical-side-of-toronto-marlies-starter-garret-sparks/

Very goaltender-speak heavy analysis (i.e. I like it). And you can get a pretty good glimpse at how out of depth most announcers are when trying to discuss goaltending during games.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 27, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/11/27/making-case-marlies-remaining-captainless/

The Marlies (#TeamDubas) fill me with so much hope. They have so much depth that they can't afford to name a #gudpro captain that they'd be forced to play every game. Their cycle of high quality depth coming in and out of the lineup on any given night, especially those standard AHL 3-in-3 weekends, means we usually have the freshest legs ready to go.

If the Leafs didn't have Komarov, Martin, Moore, and sometimes Bozak bogging down the lineup, I can imagine guys like Kapanen, Leivo, Soshnikov, Johnsson, Timashov rotating in and out per the team style we're facing, back to backs, etc. Or maybe keep someone like Martin in that mix for heavier nights. There's a feminine hygiene product metaphor in there somewhere.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on December 11, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
As Smith and Marchment's hot starts wane, a new wave of contributions arise.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on December 12, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
As Smith and Marchment's hot starts wane, a new wave of contributions arise.


Good for Bracco, nice goal
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on December 12, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
Dzierkals and Dupuy recalled from the Solar Bears as room has opened up on the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on December 12, 2017, 12:01:39 PM
May have something to do with the injury to Soshnikov.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 13, 2018, 09:50:30 PM

At first I thought Dubas was just not good at this emoji flirting thing, and then I realized he was just showing how good his staff and team are.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 14, 2018, 12:02:08 AM

At first I thought Dubas was just not good at this emoji flirting thing, and then I realized he was just showing how good his staff and team are.

I wonder if we'll see Keefe move up to assistant coach with the Leafs once more of his players start to graduate (next season?).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 14, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
Any word on  Dzierkals, he was called up by Marlie but appears not to be playing, is he riding the pine or injured?  Can't see a recall to the Solar Bears?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 14, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
This is pretty great.
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2018/01/13/aged-based-look-nhl-teams-use-ahl-affiliates/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 14, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
Any word on  Dzierkals, he was called up by Marlie but appears not to be playing, is he riding the pine or injured?  Can't see a recall to the Solar Bears?

He played 4 games in the last two weeks of December. On Dec 29, he was returned to the Solar Bears.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 15, 2018, 12:27:22 AM
This is pretty great.
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2018/01/13/aged-based-look-nhl-teams-use-ahl-affiliates/

I read it and thought much the same, there are some real tire fires in this league.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 15, 2018, 09:04:39 AM
This is pretty great.
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2018/01/13/aged-based-look-nhl-teams-use-ahl-affiliates/

I read it and thought much the same, there are some real tire fires in this league.

I'm trying to remember what the Marlies were like before Dubas, and I suspect that's sort of what we had then.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 20, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
A couple of impressive plays by Kapanen from last nights Marlies game:


He has 13 points in his last 11 AHL games, 8 in his last 5. Somehow he's not a NHLer.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on January 20, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
He has 13 points in his last 11 AHL games, 8 in his last 5. Somehow he's not a NHLer.

And so he says to me, you got legs, baby, you're everywhereyou're all over the place! Yeah!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 23, 2018, 03:31:03 PM
TIL
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 23, 2018, 07:43:32 PM
Not smart but the real golf pro will tell you, it's not the sticks mon, it's the man holding the sticks.  Most pro golfers will admit they could win any tournament with just about any major brand, it's the one paying them the most money are the ones they are playing with.   
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: pmrules on January 24, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
Any one know what's up with Adam Brooks? 

Tears it up for 2 straight years in Junior but only 6 points in 33 games.  Not bad for a rookie...but not what I was expecting.  4th line minutes?  Hurt?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 24, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
He plays 4th line mostly, as he's behind Aaltonen, Mueller, and Gauthier, and Greening (occasionally). He also started the season off with mono, so there's that.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: pmrules on January 24, 2018, 11:34:53 AM
He plays 4th line mostly, as he's behind Aaltonen, Mueller, and Gauthier, and Greening (occasionally). He also started the season off with mono, so there's that.

Thanks Herman.  So its as I thought, both hurt and 4th line minutes.

Based on your (or anyone else's) viewing of him, can we pencil him in for a wing spot in 2020 or so?  Too early to tell? 

How's Bracco looking to folks?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 24, 2018, 11:52:54 AM
I haven't watched them as much as I'd like to. Paging WIGWAL.

LGP talked with Scott Wheeler about the prospects in our system and touched on some Brooks and Bracco and what they're going through and working on this year.

First year AHL guys from middle-late picks tend to get slightly bum minutes with the Marlies because of the pipeline depth at the moment (see Timashov last season). They'll get elevated opportunities either after the deadline or next season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 24, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
He plays 4th line mostly, as he's behind Aaltonen, Mueller, and Gauthier, and Greening (occasionally). He also started the season off with mono, so there's that.

Thanks Herman.  So its as I thought, both hurt and 4th line minutes.

Based on your (or anyone else's) viewing of him, can we pencil him in for a wing spot in 2020 or so?  Too early to tell? 

How's Bracco looking to folks?
Brace started slow but has really picked it up and has made some highlight reels scores.  He has wheels and can really edge those skates. Think he will need at least 2 in the AHL
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 24, 2018, 10:25:22 PM
Brooks has seemed a little undersized at the AHL level, probably due to the mono in part and he isnt blessed with electrifying pace either. That being said he seems to have high end hockey sense and puck skills.

He might need a few years in the AHL, but Id say he has the potential to be an elite third line center. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 25, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
elite third line center.

Elite and third line do not belong in the same sentence.  I know I'm nitpicking, but use another word... great/fantastic third line center would have worked.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 25, 2018, 01:32:18 PM
Superduper ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 25, 2018, 03:55:32 PM
elite third line center.

Elite and third line do not belong in the same sentence.  I know I'm nitpicking, but use another word... great/fantastic third line center would have worked.


Someone who is one of the top 3 third line centers in the NHL could be considered an elite third line center.

I understand what youre saying, but you can be elite within your role.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 25, 2018, 06:05:37 PM
And you could be a "Legend in your own mind" or in your "Spare time"
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 25, 2018, 07:45:31 PM
And you could be a "Legend in your own mind" or in your "Spare time"

Are you always drunk/on pills or just most of the time?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 25, 2018, 09:03:34 PM
And you could be a "Legend in your own mind" or in your "Spare time"

Are you always drunk/on pills or just most of the time?
Both, works quite well don't ya think?  Bacardi, Scotch are good friends, not to mention all the others mind numbing things to handle 50 years of Leaf fandom.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 25, 2018, 09:22:27 PM
And you could be a "Legend in your own mind" or in your "Spare time"

Are you always drunk/on pills or just most of the time?
Both, works quite well don't ya think?  Bacardi, Scotch are good friends, not to mention all the others mind numbing things to handle 50 years of Leaf fandom.

I prefer journaling my feelings.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on January 25, 2018, 09:25:58 PM
And you could be a "Legend in your own mind" or in your "Spare time"

Are you always drunk/on pills or just most of the time?
Both, works quite well don't ya think?  Bacardi, Scotch are good friends, not to mention all the others mind numbing things to handle 50 years of Leaf fandom.

I prefer journaling my feelings.

I'm pro eating mine.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on January 25, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
I'm pro eating mine.

I did two AYCE Korean BBQs in 4 days. I have no regrets.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on January 27, 2018, 11:45:06 AM
Marlies won last night 2-0. The Goat had primary assists on both goals...Sparks has now shut out 64 consecutive shots. He is squaring very nicely to the puck.  Johnson named to North AHL Squad in place of Kapanen.
Man I like a few cogs in our pipeline.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 05, 2018, 10:43:08 AM

*whistles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyeKAkMwCpw)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 09, 2018, 03:35:43 PM
https://theathletic.com/232530/2018/02/09/maple-leafs-scott-pellerin-took-unconventional-path-to-the-top-of-one-of-hockeys-largest-development-programs/

This is a deeeeeeep dive into the Marlies' practice and development program, run by Director of Player Development Scott Pellerin. Hired by Dubas alongside Darryl Belfry (skills consultant) December 2014.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 09, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
https://theathletic.com/232530/2018/02/09/maple-leafs-scott-pellerin-took-unconventional-path-to-the-top-of-one-of-hockeys-largest-development-programs/

This is a deeeeeeep dive into the Marlies' practice and development program, run by Director of Player Development Scott Pellerin. Hired by Dubas alongside Darryl Belfry (skills consultant) December 2014.
Great story and really an example of how far the Leafs have come in the last 3 years.  Like night and day. 
Makes me wonder however how long Dubas will be in lower Leaf management or is he ready to replace Lou now.  And for Pellerin, seems like a head coach position will open up at some point in the NHL.  Hell Randy and Bruce look ready for the knakker yard.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2018, 12:49:06 PM
Andreas Johnsson is now 13th in the AHL in points, tied for 2nd in goals. He also has 11 points in his past 4 games which seems pretty good.

He's only been pointless in more than 1 game in a row on two occasions this season too. Incredible consistency.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 10, 2018, 12:53:54 PM

#FreeTimoth
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: L K on February 10, 2018, 03:36:30 PM

#FreeTimoth

Free The Moth!  Free The Moth!  Free The Moth!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 10, 2018, 05:39:13 PM

#FreeTimoth
Guess it is better than landingpad. Way better than Maxipad
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2018, 10:26:13 PM

#FreeTimoth
Guess it is better than landingpad. Way better than Maxipad
Or Lilywhite. Or Lilywhite Lilith. Or just Lily.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 11, 2018, 08:54:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMVCsXJubM

Marlies swept the weekend series with the Binghamton Devils.

Mike Babcock was in attendance getting a gander at the kids and maybe taking a looksee at Soshnikov's 'recovery' progress. Soshnikov and Borgman both scored, along with Greening twice, and Rychel on the PP.

I think the Leafs could do worse than calling up Colin Greening alongside Andreas Johnsson if Komarov + JvR both got traded at the deadline/tomorrow. Greening's been a very good soldier for the Shanaplan, hard along the boards, pretty good hands in tight, probably deserves a call-up, even though it doesn't result in a pay bump. It'd be cheaper than trying to find an external trade option, unless our trades are quantity for helpful player on a dumpy cap hit.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 12, 2018, 09:44:15 AM
I agree on all counts herman, it's great to hear Keefe talk about the run, he's still all about process, a great development coach.

The Athletic's Scott Wheeler has his mid-season rankings out for the Leafs top prospects 22 or younger.

(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-media-theathletic-production/app/uploads/2018/02/10220257/Image-uploaded-from-iOS.png)

https://theathletic.com/235831/2018/02/11/wheeler-the-complete-maple-leafs-prospect-ranking-second-edition/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: louisstamos on February 13, 2018, 10:52:50 AM


To be fair, two of them are Kapanen and Soshnikov, who are already up with the big club.  But too see Liljegren and Johnsson in that group is encouraging...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on February 13, 2018, 12:42:20 PM
What makes the Marlies recent success all the more remarkable is that they were forced to carry and play a severely injured Nikita Soshnikov.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 14, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
What makes the Marlies recent success all the more remarkable is that they were forced to carry and play a severely injured Nikita Soshnikov.
Ya how that guy got around the ice with that walker was a feat of amazment.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 15, 2018, 07:51:41 PM
Goodbye Nikita, we hardly new ya :'( :'(
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
A goal and 2 assists tonight puts Andreas Johnsson in a 3-way tie for 3rd place in the AHL scoring race. He's just 5 points off on the lead now and has a better PPG ratio than the two players ahead of him. The players ahead of him are also 27 and 29 years old. Johnsson is 23.

He's also currently on an 8-game point streak where he's recorded 6 goals, 11 assists, and 17 points. He's had 3-point nights in 4 of his last 8 games.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: AvroArrow on February 18, 2018, 09:52:29 AM
A goal and 2 assists tonight puts Andreas Johnsson in a 3-way tie for 3rd place in the AHL scoring race. He's just 5 points off on the lead now and has a better PPG ratio than the two players ahead of him. The players ahead of him are also 27 and 29 years old. Johnsson is 23.

He's also currently on an 8-game point streak where he's recorded 6 goals, 11 assists, and 17 points. He's had 3-point nights in 4 of his last 8 games.

Time to trade JvR for Severson, and bring Johnsson up.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 26, 2018, 04:08:48 PM
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 26, 2018, 04:15:43 PM

The Marlies defence if/when that happens is going to be silly.

Dermott-Liljegren
Marincin-Holl
Borgman-LoVerde
Nielsen-Rosen
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 26, 2018, 05:01:23 PM
Will the Borg and Johnsson be called up when the roster expands?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 26, 2018, 05:05:11 PM
Roster is technically expanded now.

With Kapanen and Dermott yo-yo'd today, we have 2 non-emergency call-ups left to work with.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 26, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Will the Borg and Johnsson be called up when the roster expands?

There's really no point if they're just going to sit, which they would.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 26, 2018, 05:18:06 PM
I like the Borg, want him back in the lineup, did you hear that Roman?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Coco-puffs on February 26, 2018, 05:24:34 PM
I like the Borg, want him back in the lineup, did you hear that Roman?

Should be experimenting with him on the right side for that to happen. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on February 26, 2018, 05:36:04 PM
Will the Borg and Johnsson be called up when the roster expands?

There's really no point if they're just going to sit, which they would.

Especially with the Marlies doing so well. Let them be an active part of team that's well positioned for a deep run instead of watching a team that's an underdog to make it more than one round deep.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on February 26, 2018, 05:39:03 PM
Will the Borg and Johnsson be called up when the roster expands?

There's really no point if they're just going to sit, which they would.

Especially with the Marlies doing so well. Let them be an active part of team that's well positioned for a deep run instead of watching a team that's an underdog to make it more than one round deep.

That was a subtle dig.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 26, 2018, 05:48:41 PM
Will the Borg and Johnsson be called up when the roster expands?

There's really no point if they're just going to sit, which they would.

Especially with the Marlies doing so well. Let them be an active part of team that's well positioned for a deep run instead of watching a team that's an underdog to make it more than one round deep.

That was a subtle dig.
never accuse Busta of being subtle! ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on February 26, 2018, 06:19:42 PM
Will the Borg and Johnsson be called up when the roster expands?

There's really no point if they're just going to sit, which they would.

Especially with the Marlies doing so well. Let them be an active part of team that's well positioned for a deep run instead of watching a team that's an underdog to make it more than one round deep.

That was a subtle dig.

At you? Yeah, you got me. 8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
Marlies lines for their morning game today:


Aaltonen's out with an injury. Timashov seems to have taken Kapanen/Soshnikov's spot on the top line.

TSN2 is showing the game if anyone wants to watch. Starts at 11am.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on February 28, 2018, 10:40:52 AM
Looking at the Marlies stats only and not actually watching them play, Adam Brooks and Jeremy Bracco don't seem to be too impressive so far.  I remember quite a bit of hype around these 2 players from junior, anyone that's actually seen them play have any thoughts on whether either of these 2 guys can become an NHL regular?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 28, 2018, 10:45:46 AM
Bracco had a slow start, due to mono or something.  He has been a lot better lately and showing promise.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
Looking at the Marlies stats only and not actually watching them play, Adam Brooks and Jeremy Bracco don't seem to be too impressive so far.  I remember quite a bit of hype around these 2 players from junior, anyone that's actually seen them play have any thoughts on whether either of these 2 guys can become an NHL regular?

This question has been asked a few times now, long story short they aren't getting great minutes and there were some injury/health problems in the summer/early in the season. It'd be nice if their offensive numbers were a little better even in that context (especially Brooks), but I wouldn't write them off until we see how their perform in their 2nd AHL season. Even a guy like Johnsson didn't have eye-popping numbers in his rookie season (although they were better than Bracco and Brooks').

Still, those two were always going to need time to develop. But yeah a bit of shine may have came off of them since they were drafted. We'll see if they can get that back next year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on February 28, 2018, 10:50:59 AM
Looking at the Marlies stats only and not actually watching them play, Adam Brooks and Jeremy Bracco don't seem to be too impressive so far.  I remember quite a bit of hype around these 2 players from junior, anyone that's actually seen them play have any thoughts on whether either of these 2 guys can become an NHL regular?

I haven't put eyeballs on them either, but they both started the season with mono and/or injured from Memorial Cup shenanigans. Marlies depth is such that these two weren't really relied on or put in positions to produce that often until more recently.

Jeff Veillette wrote up some deep dives on them here: http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/28/public-release-2017-leafs-prospect-rankings/

Whether they become regulars is more a function of what happens on the Leafs, in my opinion, as these are players better suited for top-9 roles.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 28, 2018, 04:24:23 PM
Bergman scored on a beautiful snipe at todays Marlies game. Johnsson looked pretty good  a couple of assists as well.
Lilypad made a really bad give away in the first period as well. Reminded me of someone named Gardiner. LOL
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: TML fan on February 28, 2018, 06:27:13 PM
Lilypad made a really bad give away in the first period as well. Reminded me of someone named Gardiner. LOL

Frederick G. WAS quite the gambler...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 28, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
Johnsson up to 27 points in his last 19 games.

Oh and he's an excellent penalty killer too.

I'd wager a large sum that he'd have more of a net positive impact on the Leafs than JVR.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on February 28, 2018, 07:46:48 PM
Johnsson is a bear, he is so talented in all aspects of his game and I think he could fill the JVR role very well. I am sure he was a part of any trade demands, but he is a keeper.
By the way my first post was Borgman not Bergman (these damn autocorrects).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2018, 02:35:53 AM
Nice story on Kyle Baun and how Bobby (his grandfather and former Leaf great) taught him to love the game:



It was his grandfather who got him into hockey in the first place, Kyle says. Bobby used to take him to games at Maple Leaf Gardens all the time when the team was successful. When they moved to the ACC and struggled, those visits conveniently slowed. The Baun's hate losing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 03, 2018, 06:59:44 PM
Andreas Johnsson has a pretty high shooting percentage 19.6%. That'll probably regr-


Oh.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 04, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
Andreas Johnsson has a pretty high shooting percentage 19.6%. That'll probably regr-


Oh.

I want to see him with the Leafs sooner than later.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 04, 2018, 12:10:56 PM
Marlies have lost 6 of their last 10....Oh no!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on March 04, 2018, 12:25:26 PM
Marlies have lost 6 of their last 10....Oh no!

Take away Soshnikov and Dermit and thats what you have.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 04, 2018, 05:24:16 PM
Shows what Dermott meant to the team. Sosh was only there for a short stint, It seems Aaltonen was a key to the success as their record is not great without him.  I think Aaltonen is ready to be our forth line guy with Kapi and Johnsson on this wings, think about that as a fourth line.  Killer.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on March 04, 2018, 06:14:54 PM
Marlies have lost 6 of their last 10....Oh no!

Take away Soshnikov and Dermit and thats what you have.

Not only did they lose Soshnikov and Dermott, they also lost Valiev and Rychel most recently.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 04, 2018, 07:31:42 PM
ALso losing Kapanen. Aaltonen is out with a concussion too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 05, 2018, 02:01:20 PM
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bullfrog on March 06, 2018, 10:54:51 AM
I've been eagerly waiting for his NHL debut for a while now. I have a really good feeling about him. I don't think he'll replace JvR's offense, but it sure sounds like he's a much more well-rounded player.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 06, 2018, 11:26:08 AM
Now that Gordeev's team has been eliminated from the playoffs, will he get a look with the Marlies at this stage of his development?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 10, 2018, 09:50:36 AM
Borgman scored a beauty last night against the Senators AHL team, he scored another very nice one a game or two ago
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 12, 2018, 11:00:31 AM

If you're unfamiliar with him, he is the son of Bryan Marchment, and has a similar development story to goals-per-game leader Justin Holl in that he is a late, late bloomer following a less conventional path to the big leagues, identified by Dubas and brought into the fold to grow his game.

He plays a heavy North-South power-forward game, as a leftshot with a nose for the net and some decent hands in tight, elements the Leafs currently lack depth for on the roster and in the system. If his skating and strength development work out, he could be a very solid 4th line option that gets some PP looks.

The ELC (set to kick in 2018-2019) was supposed to be signed Sunday, but I don't see any signs of it being done yet.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 12, 2018, 11:26:41 AM
I like his game as well. Big guy who can score
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2018, 11:40:40 AM
His stats have taken a pretty serious hit since the first month of the season, so it's tough to say if that was just a little hot streak or something real. Not sure I'd use a contract slot on him to be honest, but it won't be the end of the world if we do.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on March 12, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
His stats have taken a pretty serious hit since the first month of the season, so it's tough to say if that was just a little hot streak or something real. Not sure I'd use a contract slot on him to be honest, but it won't be the end of the world if we do.

I'm with you, but looking at the 2014-15-16 draft picks, I think they'll have contract room.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 12, 2018, 11:49:33 AM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/3/12/17105652/how-are-the-toronto-marlies-handling-a-depletion-of-depth-adam-brooks-jeremy-bracco-mason-marchment

Marlies have lost:
Travis Dermott - Leaf
Kasperi Kapanen - Leaf
Rinat Valiev - trade
Kerby Rychel - trade
Nikita Soshnikov - Leaf/trade

Gained:
Martin Marincin
Calle Rosen (sort of)
Andreas Borgman
Calvin Pickard (sort of)
Kyle Baun

The net difference to the defense corps is nominal; even though Dermott was a big part of the shutdown tandem, getting NHL defensemen in Marincin and Brogman stashed in the AHL really helps. The biggest blows are losing Kapanen, Soshnikov, and Rychel, and Aaltonen to injury.

The B-tier of forward prospects is led by Johnsson and Timashov now, with Bracco and Brooks and Marchment building up their level of contribution. The veterans (Greening, Smith) are holding the fort in the meantime. The Marlies have clinched already, so it's all about staying healthy and getting more players to step up during this power vacuum.

Dermott and Kapanen both qualify for the Calder Cup run, so they'll be a huge burst of talent come that time. Grundstrom, Korshkov, Lindgren, Dzierkals, and Piccinich might also get a look as their teams finish up their seasons.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 12, 2018, 11:49:50 AM
His stats have taken a pretty serious hit since the first month of the season, so it's tough to say if that was just a little hot streak or something real. Not sure I'd use a contract slot on him to be honest, but it won't be the end of the world if we do.

Broken leg will do that to ya. Bigger picture view is that this is a player the team took a flyer on, who worked like crazy last year with nominal play time, did the ECHL grind, and is set to be publicly rewarded, a la Justin Holl.

Do I think they're in the primary plan? Nope. Are they basically free NHL depth and walking, talking embedded motivators to trust the process? Yep.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 12, 2018, 11:53:19 AM
Broken leg will do that to ya.

It wasn't a broken leg, it was a knee injury that didn't require surgery (I believe that's the only info we have of it). And he went cold prior to that too with just 1 assist in 8 games, not including the game he got hurt in since I don't when when it happened exactly.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 12, 2018, 11:58:21 AM
Broken leg will do that to ya.

It wasn't a broken leg, it was a knee injury that didn't require surgery (I believe that's the only info we have of it). And he went cold prior to that too with just 1 assist in 8 games, not including the game he got hurt in since I don't when when it happened exactly.

You're right. I just remember it being a bad leg thing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 12, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/3/12/17105652/how-are-the-toronto-marlies-handling-a-depletion-of-depth-adam-brooks-jeremy-bracco-mason-marchment

Marlies have lost:
Travis Dermott - Leaf
Kasperi Kapanen - Leaf
Rinat Valiev - trade
Kerby Rychel - trade
Nikita Soshnikov - Leaf/trade

Gained:
Martin Marincin
Calle Rosen (sort of)
Andreas Borgman
Calvin Pickard (sort of)
Kyle Baun

The net difference to the defense corps is nominal; even though Dermott was a big part of the shutdown tandem, getting NHL defensemen in Marincin and Brogman stashed in the AHL really helps. The biggest blows are losing Kapanen, Soshnikov, and Rychel, and Aaltonen to injury.

The B-tier of forward prospects is led by Johnsson and Timashov now, with Bracco and Brooks and Marchment building up their level of contribution. The veterans (Greening, Smith) are holding the fort in the meantime. The Marlies have clinched already, so it's all about staying healthy and getting more players to step up during this power vacuum.

Dermott and Kapanen both qualify for the Calder Cup run, so they'll be a huge burst of talent come that time. Grundstrom, Korshkov, Lindgren, Dzierkals, and Piccinich might also get a look as their teams finish up their seasons.
Could Gordeev be called up, his team is out of the playoff picture although they may still have some games to be played out.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 12, 2018, 02:51:49 PM
Could Gordeev be called up, his team is out of the playoff picture although they may still have some games to be played out.

With CHL players, I think they only do this for players whose seasons are finished AND will not be returning to the league (age). I doubt they do this for Gordeev.

Aside from the players across the pond (Grundstrom for sure, Korshkov, Lindgren, Engvall), there are a few that will be aging out of the CHL and/or their rights will expire from Leafs control:

CHL: Keaton Middleton, Nicholas Mattinen
Elsewhere: Nolan Vesey, Vladimir Bobylyov
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on March 12, 2018, 03:30:49 PM
Could Gordeev be called up, his team is out of the playoff picture although they may still have some games to be played out.

With CHL players, I think they only do this for players whose seasons are finished AND will not be returning to the league (age). I doubt they do this for Gordeev.

Aside from the players across the pond (Grundstrom for sure, Korshkov, Lindgren, Engvall), there are a few that will be aging out of the CHL and/or their rights will expire from Leafs control:

CHL: Keaton Middleton, Nicholas Mattinen
Elsewhere: Nolan Vesey, Vladimir Bobylyov

RE: CHL and elsewhere guys...I don't think any of them get offered a contract.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 12, 2018, 04:48:25 PM
RE: CHL and elsewhere guys...I don't think any of them get offered a contract.

Agreed. I do think they'll take AHL contracts here if they don't get any huge bites elsewhere. Mattinen more than the rest.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 14, 2018, 09:37:11 AM

Here we go!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 14, 2018, 09:40:19 AM
Ah Lindgren, brings back memories of when we were allowed to draft small defencemen.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 14, 2018, 09:44:02 AM
Should be noted, Lindgren signed an ATO with the Marlies late last season too but never actually played. And he signed a 2-year contract with his Finnish team last summer, so don't expect this to mean he'll be coming over to North America next season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 14, 2018, 10:04:32 AM
There are two types of defensemen Hunter's been drafting:
Speedy, productive defensemen (Dermott, Nielsen, Lindgren, Liljegren)
and Wookies with wheels.

I know they're trying to diversify their portfolio on the blueline and also trying to catch lightning in a bottle with a defense-first player (maybe even a Parayko-lite) by spending multiple 3-7th round picks on them. If even one sticks, that'll be a solid win.

Passing up on some more obvious options though... that's weird.
There's supposed to be a crap ton of D options in the draft this year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 14, 2018, 11:48:03 AM
There are two types of defensemen Hunter's been drafting:
Speedy, productive defensemen (Dermott, Nielsen, Lindgren, Liljegren)
and Wookies with wheels.

I know they're trying to diversify their portfolio on the blueline and also trying to catch lightning in a bottle with a defense-first player (maybe even a Parayko-lite) by spending multiple 3-7th round picks on them. If even one sticks, that'll be a solid win.

Passing up on some more obvious options though... that's weird.
There's supposed to be a crap ton of D options in the draft this year.
Hey Herman, I love it "Wookies with wheels" part of my new lexicon
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 14, 2018, 11:54:40 AM
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Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 14, 2018, 12:00:53 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/5tRGwBkWx8Vt6/giphy.gif)

Looks a bit like Middleton
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 14, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
Keith Aulie, the D from Calgary that Burke insisted upon as an add-on to the Phaneuf deal, was also known as the Wookie.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 15, 2018, 01:47:08 PM
To bad ol Keith didn't work out, then again he is doing a great job in the Star Wars prequels
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 19, 2018, 09:18:39 AM
Quote
Some guys call this the 32nd NHL team because of how much resources this team has. From what Im told that all changed four years ago when the new management came in.

Colin Greening on the Marlies reputation as an organization

#Dubas2018

I know they were working over a depleted and depressed Canadiens squad, but seeing Marlies-grads Johnsson-Nylander-Hyman Dermott-Carrick run roughshod over an NHL team was really something.

I envisioned a similar line for last season, as it was one with limited expectations coming into the start of the year, but I can't complain about them holding back the kids until they were clearly going to hurdle the (serviceable) veteran roadblocks. The phase out/in is happening and it's thanks to the way the Marlies have progressed.

Next season, we have these players under contract; highlighted are the Marlies' alumni (or seniors):
Hyman - Matthews - Nylander*
Marleau - Kadri - Marner
x - x - Kapanen
Martin(?) - x - Brown
Leivo, Marchment(?)

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Borgman
Rosen

Andersen
Sparks

Johnsson, Carrick, Aaltonen, Pickard, Marincin, Holl, Gauthier, and Kaskisuo are RFAs
* Nylander is an RFA too, but nobody thinks we're not signing him

12-16 players on next season's roster will have been the product of our internal development program. Throw Matthews and Marner and Rielly in there as well, as they skipped a grade. That's somewhere between 50-80% of our roster being developed here.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bullfrog on March 19, 2018, 10:30:59 AM
I forgot Gardiner played on the Marlies, though it was really only 1/2 a season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 19, 2018, 10:32:08 AM
I forgot Gardiner played on the Marlies, though it was really only 1/2 a season.

And it was under the old regime's Marlies, as was Kadri. Hard to say that either of those players weren't developed here though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 19, 2018, 10:36:45 AM
I forgot Gardiner played on the Marlies, though it was really only 1/2 a season.

I know I complain about Babcock sometimes but thank the gods he isn't Caryle.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 19, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
I forgot Gardiner played on the Marlies, though it was really only 1/2 a season.

I know I complain about Babcock sometimes but thank the gods he isn't Caryle.

Or Wison
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on March 19, 2018, 02:09:28 PM
Any chance Nylander gets an offer sheet from some crazy young GM like Chayka?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on March 19, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
Any chance Nylander gets an offer sheet from some crazy young GM like Chayka?

Very remote. The offer sheet system is basically designed in a way to have them rarely ever happen.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 19, 2018, 02:54:57 PM
In case you were wondering: mini-thread
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 22, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
We've got some tryouts hanging with the Marlies these days.
In addition to Jesper Lindgren (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=187806) (RD, 2015-4th rd),

Pierre Engvall (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=147720) (LW, 2014-7th Rd) is on a PTO.
Brady Ferguson (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=190324) (LW, undrafted) is on an ATO.
Scott Pooley (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=135388) (RW, undrafted) has signed an ATO. He's the former captain of the Chicago Mission Bantam team, and teammate of our own William Nylander. | PPP (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2018/3/18/17136162/toronto-marlies-add-scott-pooley-on-an-ato-ncaa)
Hunter Fejes (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=106299) (LW, 2012-6th by ARI) also signed a PTO today. He's a Solar Bear they've called up on loan. And, oh man, his story (http://americansportsnet.com/news/ccs-hunter-fejes-still-looks-for-guidance-from-mom-killed-in-road-rage-accident) is really something. Brb, chopping onions. Read PPP (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/orlando-solar-bears/2018/3/22/17151940/toronto-marlies-add-orlando-solar-bears-forward-hunter-fejes-on-a-pto)'s recap of his potential while you wait.
Fedor Gordeev (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=273797) (LD, 2017-5th rd) is also up with the Marlies today.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 22, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
Nice to see Gordeev get the call up, didn't think he could for some reason.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 28, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Ol' Fish Bulb has set a franchise record of 6 shutouts this season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 28, 2018, 11:46:47 PM

Borgman buries the dagger.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on March 29, 2018, 10:53:26 AM

So apparently this Pierre Engvall character (2014, 7th rd) is uhhh really tall (6'4"), pretty fast, and can dish and snipe (very leisurely). He also has the spankiest cellies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on March 29, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
Borgman looks like he want to be back in the Bigs. Engvall at 6'4" with his skating and ability may have a chance down the road.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 06, 2018, 01:16:13 PM
another goal from the big man: Pierre Engvall had a response early in the second, firing a one-timer from the hashmarks to close the deficit to a single goal. It was Engvalls third goal since joining the Marlies on a PTO
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2018, 01:44:16 PM
another goal from the big man: Pierre Engvall had a response early in the second, firing a one-timer from the hashmarks to close the deficit to a single goal. It was Engvalls third goal since joining the Marlies on a PTO

If Engvall could make it, how often do you see two 7th rounders make it to the Leafs and actually stick?  Between him and Johnsson we could have a couple of steals here.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 06, 2018, 02:49:09 PM
Johnsson is definitely a steal. Engvall is starting to look like he has potential.  I have repeatedly watched his 3 snipes and that is exactly what they should be called, he has great vision and you can see him zero on exactly where he wants to put it, makes the snap shot right to where he wants it.  What's exciting about him is the height 6'4" and his very smooth skating. God I love our Euro scouts.
Once they train him to do the JVR, Johnsson to the net move...watch out
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 07, 2018, 12:38:15 PM
Engvall made an unbelievable dish to Marancin who buries it.  You can find at Marlies site (Friday night game).  The more I watch this guy the better it gets.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2018, 04:59:47 PM
The Rangers just fired Alain Vigneault, and Sheldon Keefe's name is getting thrown around quite a bit as someone who could replace him. Larry Brooks said (https://nypost.com/2018/04/08/rangers-may-have-to-wait-to-interview-intriguing-coach-option/) he's "at or near the top of Jeff Gortons list of candidates".
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 08, 2018, 07:18:54 PM
The Rangers just fired Alain Vigneault, and Sheldon Keefe's name is getting thrown around quite a bit as someone who could replace him. Larry Brooks said (https://nypost.com/2018/04/08/rangers-may-have-to-wait-to-interview-intriguing-coach-option/) he's "at or near the top of Jeff Gortons list of candidates".
Don't want to lose him as yet.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 10, 2018, 11:13:44 AM
Carl Grundstrom has finished his SHL season (and by the looks of it, his SHL career), and has been assigned to the Marlies.

Ian Scott (2017 4th Rd) also received an ATO the other day.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 11, 2018, 12:28:59 PM

This seems highly unfair (for everyone else).

If the Leafs bow out early, the Marlies PP becomes:
Kapanen-Johnsson-Grundstrom-Bracco-Liljegren
Engvall-Aaltonen-Marchment-Moore/Smith-Dermott/Rosen
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 11, 2018, 01:13:41 PM

If for some weird reason the Leafs don't win the Stanley Cup and Dermott goes back to the Marlies I'm going to laugh so hard if he bumps Borgman out of another line-up.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 15, 2018, 12:35:12 PM
I have been quietly watching Miro Aaltonen this season and I am starting to think he would be a huge upgrade at 4th C playing with Kapanen and Johnsson.  Obviously this would be an anti 4th line as it would provide scoring punch on par with Matthews and Nylander.

And goals seem to be a hard commodity to come by these days.

By the way he potted 2 yesterday with Grundstrom and Moore
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 15, 2018, 03:51:15 PM
I agree with the general idea thats Aaltonen should be with the Leafs to provide more of a goal scoring dimension. The degree probably wont be on par with Matthews and Nylander in the long run.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 16, 2018, 12:24:09 PM
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: L K on April 17, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
Engvall is the one that really gets me excited.  He seemed like one of those 7th round steal potential picks.   Big player with good skating ability.  Having both Liljegren and Engvall having success in the minors this year is exciting for the future.  They aren't the defensive d-men but they are nice options to add to the blueline, maybe even Gardiner replacements.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 17, 2018, 11:41:31 AM
Engvall is the one that really gets me excited.  He seemed like one of those 7th round steal potential picks.   Big player with good skating ability.  Having both Liljegren and Engvall having success in the minors this year is exciting for the future.  They aren't the defensive d-men but they are nice options to add to the blueline, maybe even Gardiner replacements.

Engvall is pretty money right now, especially with all our top Marlie scorers traded or called up. He could be a good LW replacement alongside Grundstrom for Komarov/JvR if Johnsson gives Babcock the option to put Hyman back on the right as well.

The defensemen alongside Liljegren you might be talking about here is Jesper Lindgren (RHD), who is coincidentally Carl Grundstrom's best friend (source: The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/315341/2018/04/16/new-marlies-forward-carl-grundstrom-is-here-to-stay-and-hes-destined-for-the-maple-leafs/)). He has had a slow start here (still a bit slight of size), but there's potential there.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 17, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
Engvall is the one that really gets me excited.  He seemed like one of those 7th round steal potential picks.   Big player with good skating ability.  Having both Liljegren and Engvall having success in the minors this year is exciting for the future.  They aren't the defensive d-men but they are nice options to add to the blueline, maybe even Gardiner replacements.
Engvall has 4 goals and 9 points in 9 games.  Could be a great find. Grundstrom is coming next year to a Leaf team near you.

Engvall is pretty money right now, especially with all our top Marlie scorers traded or called up. He could be a good LW replacement alongside Grundstrom for Komarov/JvR if Johnsson gives Babcock the option to put Hyman back on the right as well.

The defensemen alongside Liljegren you might be talking about here is Jesper Lindgren (RHD), who is coincidentally Carl Grundstrom's best friend (source: The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/315341/2018/04/16/new-marlies-forward-carl-grundstrom-is-here-to-stay-and-hes-destined-for-the-maple-leafs/)). He has had a slow start here (still a bit slight of size), but there's potential there.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 17, 2018, 08:30:21 PM
I didn't see Dermott, Kapanen or Johnsson on the Marlies 2018 Calder Cup Playoff Roster. Are they allowed to sub from the big club after they're out? I don't know how it works.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 17, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
I didn't see Dermott, Kapanen or Johnsson on the Marlies 2018 Calder Cup Playoff Roster. Are they allowed to sub from the big club after they're out? I don't know how it works.

Dermott and Kapanen were both sent down in paper transactions at the deadline to qualify them for the Calder Cup playoffs. Johnsson was still with the Marlies at the time so he also qualifies. The Leafs spent 3 of their 4 call ups for them to play in the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 17, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
I remember that happening but how does it work? Do they just replace people on the roster if the Leafs go out? Like I said I didn't see them on the 24 man roster so how do they get on it?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 18, 2018, 07:49:47 AM
I remember that happening but how does it work? Do they just replace people on the roster if the Leafs go out? Like I said I didn't see them on the 24 man roster so how do they get on it?

There is no roster limit in the AHL so Keefe can just throw in whoever is eligible that he wants. If the Leafs scrub out before the Marlies do, those three players can be loaned back to the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2018, 12:47:35 PM
I remember that happening but how does it work? Do they just replace people on the roster if the Leafs go out? Like I said I didn't see them on the 24 man roster so how do they get on it?

There is no roster limit in the AHL so Keefe can just throw in whoever is eligible that he wants. If the Leafs scrub out before the Marlies do, those three players can be loaned back to the Marlies.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
Team is a juggernaut this year.  54-18-2, +84 goal differential.   They better take home the calder cup.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on April 18, 2018, 03:28:42 PM
Not that I want the Leafs to fail in the least, but add Kapi & Johnsson back into that team and the firepower would be shock and awe to say the least.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: cabber24 on April 18, 2018, 04:13:52 PM
Can anyone explain Marincin's +/-? Same guy right?

Why even bother with the old guys playing key roles? Shouldn't we developing kids, I guess they are learning form their veteran peers, real gud pro stuff?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 18, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
Can anyone explain Marincin's +/-? Same guy right?

Why even bother with the old guys playing key roles? Shouldn't we developing kids, I guess they are learning form their veteran peers, real gud pro stuff?

a) +/- is not a very reliable stat, very subject to weird situations in a flow game (e.g. Nylander makes a stretch pass, gets off the ice for Marner, and Hyman scores a bit later = + for Marner who literally just got on the ice)

b) Marincin has NHL-level skills and experience. Of course he is doing well in the AHL. There's a lot more patience in the AHL for minor gaffes, and also a lot more time to make plays. Can he put it together for an NHL season? Probably has to do it somewhere else.

c) There's value in learning on the job from people who have done your job a long time, more than any coach can possibly deliver to any one player. Development in the AHL is a priority for the Leafs for the majority of its prospect pool. The Leafs seem to only want to dedicate enough bandwidth for one rookie on the defense.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on April 18, 2018, 06:06:02 PM
Can anyone explain Marincin's +/-? Same guy right?

Why even bother with the old guys playing key roles? Shouldn't we developing kids, I guess they are learning form their veteran peers, real gud pro stuff?

a) +/- is not a very reliable stat, very subject to weird situations in a flow game (e.g. Nylander makes a stretch pass, gets off the ice for Marner, and Hyman scores a bit later = + for Marner who literally just got on the ice)

b) Marincin has NHL-level skills and experience. Of course he is doing well in the AHL. There's a lot more patience in the AHL for minor gaffes, and also a lot more time to make plays. Can he put it together for an NHL season? Probably has to do it somewhere else.

c) There's value in learning on the job from people who have done your job a long time, more than any coach can possibly deliver to any one player. Development in the AHL is a priority for the Leafs for the majority of its prospect pool. The Leafs seem to only want to dedicate enough bandwidth for one rookie on the defense.

I'm not sure that's a great argument against the validity of a +/- stat.  I think the situation you describe works the other way around too, meaning that sometimes you get dinged with a minus as you jump on the ice.  I think that stuff evens out.

I think the argument against it is when it's being used as a measurement statistic in terms of individual contribution.  You can be Polak playing consistently when the Matthews line is on, and you've got all kinds of +, but you really had nothing to do with putting the puck in the net, and the puck is largely in your forwards' possession, so you're not defending much.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on April 18, 2018, 07:38:46 PM
Oh that wasnt my primary argument for why +/- is flawed, merely the example that was top of mind from a recent game. Youre right in that +/- used as an individual measure breaks down and paints an inaccurate picture. In either case, +/- does not capture the nuances of the scoring situation. It also does not account for the many more situations in which a good play is made but does not yield a goal, or vice versa.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on May 08, 2018, 09:33:06 AM
https://mapleleafsnation.com/2018/05/07/the-toronto-marlies-have-invested-heavily-in-their-veterans-and-its-paid-off/

Not just in buying the best veterans, but in making the experience playing for an AHL team as NHL-like as possible: NHL city, NHL facilities, NHL amenities; and continuous development even for the veterans.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: cabber24 on May 08, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
https://mapleleafsnation.com/2018/05/07/the-toronto-marlies-have-invested-heavily-in-their-veterans-and-its-paid-off/

Not just in buying the best veterans, but in making the experience playing for an AHL team as NHL-like as possible: NHL city, NHL facilities, NHL amenities; and continuous development even for the veterans.
Amazing article that provides a lot of insight into things that are rarely discussed. Yet another feather in the Shannaplan hat.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on May 08, 2018, 05:47:13 PM
mapleleafsnation.com needs an editor.  I got 3 paragraphs in and couldn't handle the grammar.

Coming from me, that's a pretty big deal.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 08, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
1-0 Marlies early in Game 4 via Timashov.

Stream - https://www.twitch.tv/acalz
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 08, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
The Crunch might have quit here, they had a guy suspended last game for a low hit on Marchment, the guy that replaced that player is Gallant and he just took a 10 foot run at Marchment and hit him in the head and has been tossed.

5 minutes and a game misconduct for Gallant.

At one point earlier the Marlies had been cycling it in the offensive zone for over 30 seconds while shorthanded.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 08, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
AJ from Timoth and Engvall makes it 2-0 with a few minutes still left on the major penalty.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on May 08, 2018, 07:47:09 PM
2-0 after 1.  It's on Leafs TV.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: PCB on May 08, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
Does Leafs TV broadcast all of the Marlies regular season and playoff games?  Having a tough time getting a straight answer online.
Thanks
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: PCB on May 08, 2018, 08:01:48 PM
I should have refreshed before posting, sorry.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on May 08, 2018, 09:17:50 PM
Please keep the updates coming as I am now in BC and no Leafs TV :'(
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on May 08, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
2-1 Marlies 40 seconds left.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on May 08, 2018, 09:29:08 PM
Marlies win 2-1. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on May 08, 2018, 09:46:38 PM
So... GM announcement tomorrow?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on May 09, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
So... GM announcement tomorrow?

But the Marlies are still in.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on May 09, 2018, 10:30:15 AM
So... GM announcement tomorrow?

But the Marlies are still in.  ;D

They don't play again until May 19th!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on May 09, 2018, 11:54:51 AM
Rasanen and Scott both continue to practice with the Marlies working with Barb and
Goalie coach. I thought I read somewhere that Gordeev was with them for some training but not a word on him.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on May 09, 2018, 12:29:01 PM
So... GM announcement tomorrow?

But the Marlies are still in.  ;D

They don't play again until May 19th!
Will they still be in shape by then?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on May 09, 2018, 02:15:46 PM
So... GM announcement tomorrow?

But the Marlies are still in.  ;D


They don't play again until May 19th!
Will they still be in shape by then?
They will be even faster as Barb will have more time to teach them to zoom zoom zoom.  Good article about her training of Braden Points in the Athletic, seem he was a so so skater when he was drafted, to being next to McDavid in speed.  Didn't know she was tied in so highly with the Lightening organization, glad she has time for us.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on May 11, 2018, 10:01:59 AM
So... GM announcement tomorrow?

Off by a bit.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 11, 2018, 11:26:21 AM
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on May 12, 2018, 01:54:37 PM
With Dubas moving up to be Leafs GM, who takes his role now as Marlies GM?

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 12, 2018, 01:56:27 PM
With Dubas moving up to be Leafs GM, who takes his role now as Marlies GM?

Have to figure that's the sort of thing that gets figured out once they have a definite picture of what their front office looks like.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on May 12, 2018, 11:02:05 PM
With Dubas moving up to be Leafs GM, who takes his role now as Marlies GM?

Have to figure that's the sort of thing that gets figured out once they have a definite picture of what their front office looks like.

So youre saying its NOT Mark Hunter?  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: seahawk on June 03, 2018, 10:47:18 AM
With Dubas moving up to be Leafs GM, who takes his role now as Marlies GM?

Typically the assistant GM of the NHL parent holds the title of GM on the farm. Given the current front office that would be Brandon Pridham or Lawrence Gilman. My thought would probably be Pridham as Gilman would like be the salary cap guy.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 03, 2018, 10:49:04 AM
With Dubas moving up to be Leafs GM, who takes his role now as Marlies GM?

Typically the assistant GM of the NHL parent holds the title of GM on the farm. Given the current front office that would be Brandon Pridham or Lawrence Gilman. My thought would probably be Pridham as Gilman would like be the salary cap guy.

The Leafs announced that it will be Gilman who takes over the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on June 16, 2018, 02:07:52 PM

Gilman getting down to business.

I think Greening and Clune might be Marlies lifers now.

Edit: speaking of

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 07, 2018, 08:45:52 AM
More honours for the Marlies:

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frycer14 on July 07, 2018, 12:26:15 PM
I think Greening and Clune might be Marlies lifers now.

It's interesting, because as fans we always think of AHL'ers are constantly trying to prove themselves as worthy NHL player candidates. With the Leafs depth up front, the odds of either of these guys getting another sniff is much less than another org, but they seem more than content to stay with the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 07, 2018, 01:07:22 PM
I think Greening and Clune might be Marlies lifers now.

It's interesting, because as fans we always think of AHL'ers are constantly trying to prove themselves as worthy NHL player candidates. With the Leafs depth up front, the odds of either of these guys getting another sniff is much less than another org, but they seem more than content to stay with the Marlies.

Its NHL facilities and lifestyle (other than bussing), a winning environment, and the knack for teaching and leading by example.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on July 07, 2018, 01:43:41 PM
They're setting themselves up for future coaching positions.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on July 07, 2018, 01:55:04 PM
and they are still making a lot of money playing a game they love. ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 23, 2018, 04:44:32 PM
I think Greening and Clune might be Marlies lifers now.

Edit: speaking of


Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Arn on August 02, 2018, 03:36:37 AM
Kyle Baun has signed for my team in Belfast. Is he any good? The British league is probably about ECHL+ standard
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on August 02, 2018, 08:07:29 AM
Kyle Baun has signed for my team in Belfast. Is he any good? The British league is probably about ECHL+ standard
All I know about him is he's Bobby Baun's grandson.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bender on August 02, 2018, 08:41:51 AM
Kyle Baun has signed for my team in Belfast. Is he any good? The British league is probably about ECHL+ standard

ECHL+ is pretty good! Didn't think it was that good.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Arn on August 02, 2018, 07:31:25 PM
Kyle Baun has signed for my team in Belfast. Is he any good? The British league is probably about ECHL+ standard

ECHL+ is pretty good! Didn't think it was that good.

The top end would be just about a half level below the German league now. If del played British league 10 times I'd say British would win 3 and there's be a couple of ties.

Most players in the league used to come from the ECHL but now there's a lot more from the AHL and even a lot of NHL experience- Belfast have Jim Vandermeer and Patrick Dwyer For example.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Arn on September 08, 2018, 06:14:03 PM

Baun scores twice on his debut anyway!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Arn on September 17, 2018, 09:24:47 AM

Baun scores twice on his debut anyway!

And now has 4 goals in his first 4 games, playing on D