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Title: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2017, 10:00:04 AM
Thought I'd share this video that's making the rounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_pG6Hzmik0

It's a series of plays by Liljegren from the most recent U18 tournament he played in. It's a very good look at his strengths for those who haven't seen video of him before. Shows a lot of what you'd expect from his play with the puck in the neutral and offensive zone, but there's also a few impressive plays of him defending zone entries and such.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on June 26, 2017, 10:06:10 AM
Here's McKeen's profile on Liljegren, while it is still free:
https://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/timothy-liljegren-17-solid-fit-upside-emerging-leafs/

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Before this season, he was a consensus choice as a top 2 player in the upcoming draft but he has had a tough season. It started with him missing the first half with mononucleosis and then he has been playing for the worst team in the SHL with big pressure of not losing games rather than trying to win them leaving Liljegren with few opportunities to use his full potential. He has been benched for trying to play his game in situations where the team needed him to play a safe game. That led him to play some games in Allsvenskan where he was the best player on the ice some games and made too many mistakes in other games. For my part, I like the potential and I like that he is trying to use his potential to win games for his team since that is probably the best way to learn and develop, even if it means making mistakes from time to time. Defenseman usually needs more time than forwards to figure out how to use their potential in the smartest way.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on June 26, 2017, 10:09:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UyWFCPoouI

This is a shift-by-shift of Liljegren on his second game back from mono, where it is clear he rushed his return. Still had solid positioning and some nice plays earlier in the game to quash rushes and block shots.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on June 26, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UyWFCPoouI

This is a shift-by-shift of Liljegren on his second game back from mono, where it is clear he rushed his return. Still had solid positioning and some nice plays earlier in the game to quash rushes and block shots.

Am I allowed to get excited?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 26, 2017, 12:10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UyWFCPoouI

This is a shift-by-shift of Liljegren on his second game back from mono, where it is clear he rushed his return. Still had solid positioning and some nice plays earlier in the game to quash rushes and block shots.

Am I allowed to get excited?

Nope, they didn't draft the smallest player with the most points, automatic bust apparently. ;)
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: cabber24 on June 26, 2017, 01:29:50 PM
Thought I'd share this video that's making the rounds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_pG6Hzmik0

It's a series of plays by Liljegren from the most recent U18 tournament he played in. It's a very good look at his strengths for those who haven't seen video of him before. Shows a lot of what you'd expect from his play with the puck in the neutral and offensive zone, but there's also a few impressive plays of him defending zone entries and such.
He looks really good but I don't think it will be as easy to hang on to the puck in the NHL. Looks like he may need to shoot more. I think his speed  an hockey IQ will mesh really well with our young top 3 forwards. Leafs breakouts could be deadly.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2017, 01:38:53 PM
He looks really good but I don't think it will be as easy to hang on to the puck in the NHL. Looks like he may need to shoot more. I think his speed  an hockey IQ will mesh really well with our young top 3 forwards. Leafs breakouts could be deadly.

Maybe it doesn't show in those highlights, but his shot rates at the tournament those clips are from were very, very good:

www.twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/864614873983967232
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on June 26, 2017, 01:52:01 PM
He looks really good but I don't think it will be as easy to hang on to the puck in the NHL. Looks like he may need to shoot more. I think his speed  an hockey IQ will mesh really well with our young top 3 forwards. Leafs breakouts could be deadly.

Maybe it doesn't show in those highlights, but his shot rates at the tournament those clips are from were very, very good:

www.twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/864614873983967232

And Brannstrom was his partner, right?

What I like about Liljegren's shot is that he aims for chaos (tips, banks, rebounds), rather than trying to roof it from the blue line. He also takes that extra moment to draw the puck laterally before slinging it on net to get people moving.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2017, 02:09:36 PM
And Brannstrom was his partner, right?

I believe they mostly played on separate pairings actually.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on June 26, 2017, 02:26:52 PM
And Brannstrom was his partner, right?

I believe they mostly played on separate pairings actually.

Ah thanks; I thought I heard their names together a couple of times in that video, but that might've just been PP.

I would be in favour of taking a garbage defensemen contract off Vegas for Brannstrom.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 28, 2017, 11:47:14 AM
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Kristen Shilton @kristen_shilton  22 minutes ago
Niagara IceDogs grab #Leafs first-round pick Timothy Liljegren at No. 13 in CHL Import Draft

There was some talk that the London Knights were going to draft him (of course). They don't pick until 49th though. But Niagara now holds his rights if he decides to go the CHL route (which seems unlikely but who knows). They could also trade him to London for a boatload if he wants to play in the OHL.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on June 28, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
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Kristen Shilton @kristen_shilton  22 minutes ago
Niagara IceDogs grab #Leafs first-round pick Timothy Liljegren at No. 13 in CHL Import Draft

There was some talk that the London Knights were going to draft him (of course). They don't pick until 49th though. But Niagara now holds his rights if he decides to go the CHL route (which seems unlikely but who knows). They could also trade him to London for a boatload if he wants to play in the OHL.

Better to stay in the SHL against professional level competition and have the season he was supposed to have last year. He can get a taste of the AHL after the SHL season ends.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Captain Canuck on June 28, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
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Kristen Shilton @kristen_shilton  22 minutes ago
Niagara IceDogs grab #Leafs first-round pick Timothy Liljegren at No. 13 in CHL Import Draft

There was some talk that the London Knights were going to draft him (of course). They don't pick until 49th though. But Niagara now holds his rights if he decides to go the CHL route (which seems unlikely but who knows). They could also trade him to London for a boatload if he wants to play in the OHL.

Niagara can't trade Liljegren for 1 year with the Import Draft rules initiated a few years ago. Odds he plays 1 year in the OHL, much less more than 1 year probably slim to none.
At 49 I could have totally seen London rolling the dice and taking him on the off-chance he played a year in the OHL. It was a complete waste of a pick by the IceDogs, but if the Knights are butt-hurt with what Niagara did I'm completely okay with that.  ;D
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on June 29, 2017, 11:44:21 AM
www.twitter.com/UffeBodin/status/880430471540297728

Never in doubt.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 29, 2017, 11:46:20 AM
Niagara can't trade Liljegren for 1 year with the Import Draft rules initiated a few years ago.

...

It was a complete waste of a pick by the IceDogs, but if the Knights are butt-hurt with what Niagara did I'm completely okay with that.  ;D

Ah, yeah I forgot about that rule. Makes sense of course. And definitely agreed about that last bit, although even if London got him I doubt he'd have reported.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 29, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Reported this morning by his agent that he has no intention of playing junior.

For a kid playing pro for two seasons and making pro money, becoming a Canadian jnr teams slave for a year or more probably sounds like hell.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Frank E on June 29, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
Reported this morning by his agent that he has no intention of playing junior.

For a kid playing pro for two seasons and making pro money, becoming a Canadian jnr teams slave for a year or more probably sounds like hell.

I think that's fine for this season, but I think if he doesn't make the big team next fall, he'd be better off learning the smaller ice as a Marlie.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
Timoth!

Leafs Blueprint: Entry Draft 2017, Pick #17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOoSOq35SLo

He's a leftie, with a right handed shot.

Handedness in hockey is pretty weird, and is probably a combination of hand, foot, and eye dominance, combined with when you picked up the game, and how you were taught. Canadian and European youth coaches apparently teach grabbing the top of the stick with your dominant hand for strength on the pull back and during one-handed usage.

I'm right handed for just about everything -- hockey (learned off a flat blade), golf, baseball, curling, sweeping, eating, writing, archery, soccer -- except for squeezing toothpaste.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bullfrog on July 05, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
That's messed up, Herman.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bender on July 05, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
I know lots of people who write with their right hand but shoot left. I have no idea why. My strong arm is on the bottom of the stick but lots of left shooters prefer their strong arm on the top. I don't really get it.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Highlander on July 05, 2017, 04:22:46 PM
Timoth!

Leafs Blueprint: Entry Draft 2017, Pick #17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOoSOq35SLo

He's a leftie, with a right handed shot.

Handedness in hockey is pretty weird, and is probably a combination of hand, foot, and eye dominance, combined with when you picked up the game, and how you were taught. Canadian and European youth coaches apparently teach grabbing the top of the stick with your dominant hand for strength on the pull back and during one-handed usage.

I'm right handed for just about everything -- hockey (learned off a flat blade), golf, baseball, curling, sweeping, eating, writing, archery, soccer -- except for squeezing toothpaste.
You actually use Toothpaste?????
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
You actually use Toothpaste?????

What are the kids using these days?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bullfrog on July 05, 2017, 06:36:48 PM
I know lots of people who write with their right hand but shoot left. I have no idea why. My strong arm is on the bottom of the stick but lots of left shooters prefer their strong arm on the top. I don't really get it.

I'm right-handed and shoot left. Holding the stick the other way feels so totally bizarre to me.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 06:40:44 PM
My brother is a righty for everything, except for eating.
My cousin is a righty but shoots and swings left.
My friend is left handed but shoots and swings right.
Another friend is a forced righty for writing and eating, but swings right and shoots left.

It's weird.
Title: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 05, 2017, 07:04:44 PM
My brother is a righty for everything, except for eating.
My cousin is a righty but shoots and swings left.
My friend is left handed but shoots and swings right.
Another friend is a forced righty for writing and eating, but swings right and shoots left.

It's weird.


Was growing up in Chernobyl exciting?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 07:25:35 PM
My brother is a righty for everything, except for eating.
My cousin is a righty but shoots and swings left.
My friend is left handed but shoots and swings right.
Another friend is a forced righty for writing and eating, but swings right and shoots left.

It's weird.


Was growing up in Chernobyl exciting?

Scarborough actually.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 05, 2017, 09:07:54 PM
My brother is a righty for everything, except for eating.
My cousin is a righty but shoots and swings left.
My friend is left handed but shoots and swings right.
Another friend is a forced righty for writing and eating, but swings right and shoots left.

It's weird.


Was growing up in Chernobyl exciting?

Scarborough actually.

Is that a suburb of Chernobyl?

FWIW I'm RH but shoot pool and AK47s left handed.

J/k about that last bit. I voted HRC!!
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Arn on July 05, 2017, 09:25:38 PM
I know lots of people who write with their right hand but shoot left. I have no idea why. My strong arm is on the bottom of the stick but lots of left shooters prefer their strong arm on the top. I don't really get it.

I'm right-handed and shoot left. Holding the stick the other way feels so totally bizarre to me.

A young lad I coached in cricket a couple of years ago there threw left but bowled (basically pitched to steal the baseball term) right. I've never figured the logic or biomechanics of that out.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: disco on July 05, 2017, 09:47:04 PM
Cool, we could use him. Hope he's decent.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 11, 2017, 11:47:33 AM
Kevin McGran's article had a little tidbit about where Liljegren might be playing next season:

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“But one more year to develop. Where that will be, I’m not sure. But one more year before the NHL.”

The Niagara Ice Dogs own Liljegren’s major junior rights, but his agent has already said he won’t play there. It sounds like he’ll play in Europe, specifically Sweden, where he has one more year left on his contract with Rogle BK, but sometimes other arrangements can be made.

“He has a valid contract for one more year in the SHL (Swedish Hockey League),” said Liljegren’s agent, Peter Wallen. “The Leafs have not offered him a contract. I think they want to see what he’s like in development camp and go from there.

“If they like what they see, maybe they will make an offer.”

For Liljegren to play somewhere other than Rogle this season, the Leafs would have to secure his release through the agreements the NHL has with the Swedish federation and the International Ice Hockey Federation.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/07/08/leafs-top-pick-timothy-liljegren-makes-the-first-cut.html

Right when he was drafted he repeated the same line over and over again but it was slightly different, saying that he would need one more year specifically in Sweden before trying to make the NHL. That sounded like a prepared line that he was using so the change here might be noteworthy. Anyway, it's July 11th so sue me.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 12, 2017, 04:03:14 PM

He officially signed his entry deal.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 12, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
Lou said he'll either be in Sweden or on the Marlies this coming season.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Frank E on July 12, 2017, 04:06:54 PM
Lou said he'll either be in Sweden or on the Marlies this coming season.

I'd much prefer the Marlies, small ice and all that stuff, plus he could get called up if he's really good.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 12, 2017, 04:09:45 PM
Lou said he'll either be in Sweden or on the Marlies this coming season.

I'd much prefer the Marlies, small ice and all that stuff, plus he could get called up if he's really good.


The primary reason he'd remain in Sweden would be for family (pretty much just his mom). Rogle is not a good team at all.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Kaberle15 on July 12, 2017, 04:32:37 PM
He Scored his 1st today at development camp.

 @MapleLeafs:
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2017, 04:40:01 PM

His drop in the draft likely cost him some bonus money. Important to note that his contract is still slide eligible, so he has to play 10 NHL games in a season for the 1st year to start.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Kaberle15 on July 12, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
Also, the Leafs just hitted 49 contracts, with Brown to be signed, right ?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on July 12, 2017, 05:27:36 PM
Also, the Leafs just hitted 49 contracts, with Brown to be signed, right ?

You gotted it right.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: hrundi99 on July 12, 2017, 08:48:37 PM
I know lots of people who write with their right hand but shoot left. I have no idea why. My strong arm is on the bottom of the stick but lots of left shooters prefer their strong arm on the top. I don't really get it.

I'm right-handed and shoot left. Holding the stick the other way feels so totally bizarre to me.

A young lad I coached in cricket a couple of years ago there threw left but bowled (basically pitched to steal the baseball term) right. I've never figured the logic or biomechanics of that out.

I'm left-handed. I bowl left-handed but I can bat both left and right-handed.
My Dad's right-handed and used to bowl right-handed and bat left-handed, though he plays golf right-handed.

Just to not clear things up at all.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 13, 2017, 11:07:10 AM
Also, the Leafs just hitted 49 contracts, with Brown to be signed, right ?

We found out through Nylander's situation back in his slide year that if an 18/19 year old player is loaned to a junior team OR to a team outside of North America he doesn't count against the 50 player contract limit. But if he plays in the AHL he does count against the contract limit even if his contract still slides.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 13, 2017, 02:31:11 PM
Also, the Leafs just hitted 49 contracts, with Brown to be signed, right ?

We found out through Nylander's situation back in his slide year that if an 18/19 year old player is loaned to a junior team OR to a team outside of North America he doesn't count against the 50 player contract limit. But if he plays in the AHL he does count against the contract limit even if his contract still slides.

Question is, during the offseason- prior to his location being decided- does it count towards the limit?  Not that we really need to get more players under contract, even for the Marlies- but some of these camp invites may be worth one.  I guess we could try and get them on AHL-only deals, but we may lose out on one who can get an NHL ELC instead.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
I dug up the thread (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=2455.90) where Nylander's contract slide being off the Reserve List was discussed, in hopes of concrete references to follow up on. Gotta say, it's as clear as mud.

Best to assume Liljegren's contract counts against the Reserve List 50-contract limit until otherwise specified. Even better would be if we trade out some bodies.

Edit: correction (see below)
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 13, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
I dug up the thread (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=2455.90) where Nylander's contract slide being off the Reserve List was discussed, in hopes of concrete references to follow up on. Gotta say, it's as clear as mud.

Best to assume Liljegren's contract counts against the Reserve List limit until otherwise specified. Even better would be if we trade out some bodies.

Reserve List is different than 50-Contract limit.  You can have 90 guys on your reserve list, and that includes drafted but unsigned players, or players with SPC who are playing in Junior or overseas.

If I were to guess, Liljegren's contract won't count against the limit because his last team played for was in Sweden.  Nylander didn't count against the 50-Contract limit until he left Sweden and joined the Marlies.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 04:03:21 PM
Reserve List is different than 50-Contract limit.  You can have 90 guys on your reserve list, and that includes drafted but unsigned players, or players with SPC who are playing in Junior or overseas.

If I were to guess, Liljegren's contract won't count against the limit because his last team played for was in Sweden.  Nylander didn't count against the 50-Contract limit until he left Sweden and joined the Marlies.

You're right; I mixed up the terms as I was just reading the below, looking for rules about the SPC limit.

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"Reserve List" means the list of all Players to whom a Club has rights including all Unsigned Draft Choices, all Players signed to an SPC (whether or not currently playing in the NHL), and all Players who have signed an SPC but who have subsequently been returned to Juniors. A Club may have on its Reserve List, at any one time, not more than 90 Players, which shall include the following:
(a) Not more than 50 Players signed to an SPC and not less than 24 Players and 3 goalkeepers under an SPC. Age 18 and age 19 Players who were returned to Juniors, and who have not played 11 NHL Games in one season, shall be exempt from inclusion in the 50 Player limit.

Any Club violating this provision shall be liable to loss of draft choices as determined by the Commissioner.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: KadriFan on July 13, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Hope this kid becomes the top 4 dman we need.  Way too expensive to trade for one. 
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on July 14, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
Hope this kid becomes the top 4 dman 2 dman we need.  Way too expensive to trade for one.


Fixed it for ya.  ;)
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 14, 2017, 09:02:11 AM
Hope this kid becomes the top 4 dman 2 dman Nik Lidstrom-like, 1st ballot HHOF we need.  Way too expensive to trade for one.


Fixed it for ya.  ;)

Fixed it for ya.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Kaberle15 on July 14, 2017, 09:16:07 AM
Hope this kid becomes the top 4 dman 2 dman Nik Lidstrom-like, 1st ballot HHOF we need.  Way too expensive to trade for one.


Fixed it for ya.  ;)

Fixed it for ya.

Glad that there is no pressure on the kid...

But he could be the steal of this year's draft (again, no pressure).
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 14, 2017, 09:30:22 AM

Probably shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket regardless. Definitely not a 17th pick in the draft basket.
Title: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 14, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 14, 2017, 09:38:51 AM

Probably shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket regardless. Definitely not a 17th pick in the draft basket.

What we need to do is make sure Rasmus Dahlin gets mono too at some point next season so we can draft him as well when he slides down the draft.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 14, 2017, 09:43:19 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

The basket is Liljegren. Why do you want to break his eggs?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 14, 2017, 09:45:28 AM

Probably shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket regardless. Definitely not a 17th pick in the draft basket.

What we need to do is make sure Rasmus Dahlin gets mono too at some point next season so we can draft him as well when he slides down the draft.

The important thing is keeping other team doctors away from our secret research into mono being a temporary condition. 
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on July 14, 2017, 09:51:00 AM

Probably shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket regardless. Definitely not a 17th pick in the draft basket.

What we need to do is make sure Rasmus Dahlin gets mono too at some point next season so we can draft him as well when he slides down the draft.

That would be a master stroke in Leafs scouting / player development.  We send scouts with vials of mono virus to infect players they want to slide in the draft.  Who needs a top 5 pick when you can sabotage a top player's draft year?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Frank E on July 14, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

The basket is Liljegren. Why do you want to break his eggs?

Which one is the snowmobile?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Andy on July 14, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

Well that's the thing about this team; they never do things (over) easy.

Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on July 14, 2017, 09:55:06 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

Well that's the thing about this team; they never do things (over) easy.

I see what you did there
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Andy on July 14, 2017, 09:55:56 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

The basket is Liljegren. Why do you want to break his eggs?

Don't egg him on
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
There's definitely some hockey gods tomfoolery happening these past few years; whose soul was how many souls were sold?

1) see this black hole of poor decision making (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2014e.html) just before the Leafs land Nylander?
2) 1 ball away from McDavid, but arguably one of the top consolation prizes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoLBWfo_o2I)
3) Babcock picks us after 20+ years of playoffs
4) We juuust scrape into last place, and we juuuust nab the 1st overall pick on the final ball in a year when the 1st overall option is this guy (https://vimeo.com/187134719).
5) The guy I wanted us to tank for tanked for us instead.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 14, 2017, 09:57:26 AM
We send scouts with vials of mono virus to infect players they want to slide in the draft.

Forget that, we just need to figure out a way for Jeremy Bracco to kiss the players we want to draft.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 14, 2017, 10:00:41 AM
3) Babcock picks us after 20+ years of playoffs

Yeah, I like Mike Babcock and everything but I'm sort of of the opinion that he left Detroit in large part because he saw the writing on the wall of that streak coming to a near and sudden stop.

I think he picked the Leafs because:

A) They were offering him a boatload of money

B) It's not Buffalo
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Andy on July 14, 2017, 10:01:36 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

Well that's the thing about this team; they never do things (over) easy.

I see what you did there

I tend to turn on my team at times. I guess you could compare me to (eggs) Benedict Arnold.

Sorry guys, slow day at work.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 10:08:44 AM
3) Babcock picks us after 20+ years of playoffs

Yeah, I like Mike Babcock and everything but I'm sort of of the opinion that he left Detroit in large part because he saw the writing on the wall of that streak coming to a near and sudden stop.

I think he picked the Leafs because:

A) They were offering him a boatload of money

B) It's not Buffalo

Is there no devilry in the timing of it all?

We retained Carlyle deliberately to stall for it.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 14, 2017, 10:13:18 AM
Still, if you want to compete for Lord Stanley's Omelette you have to be prepared to take a few eggs out of that basket and break 'em.

The basket is Liljegren. Why do you want to break his eggs?

Which one is the snowmobile?

I still think they should have gone for the furnace.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on July 14, 2017, 10:16:12 AM
We retained Carlyle deliberately to stall for it.

I've never bought that either.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bullfrog on July 14, 2017, 12:38:40 PM
We send scouts with vials of mono virus to infect players they want to slide in the draft.

Forget that, we just need to figure out a way for Jeremy Bracco to kiss the players we want to draft.

"Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was your water bottle. Here you go <maniacal laughter>"
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: RedLeaf on July 15, 2017, 12:14:43 PM
We send scouts with vials of mono virus to infect players they want to slide in the draft.

Forget that, we just need to figure out a way for Jeremy Bracco to kiss the players we want to draft.

"Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was your water bottle. Here you go <maniacal laughter>"

That tactic may have already been discussed at some point with our players..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLPSRH3BEs
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 15, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
The primary reason he'd remain in Sweden would be for family (pretty much just his mom). Rogle is not a good team at all.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-eemeli-rasanen-mean-toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-jagr-huberdeau-connor-brown-development-camp/

Quote
5. Lou Lamoriello says Toronto’s first-rounder, Timothy Liljegren, will either play in the Swedish pro league or with the Marlies this season.

You have to believe the Marlies is the best choice here, although Liljegren is very close with his mom back home.

The defenceman admitted this week that it was difficult getting accustomed to the small North American ice. His career would be better served by playing in Toronto, where he can be overseen by the club that drafted him, skate on NHL-sized rinks, be forced to learn a more physical brand of hockey, and spend more time with skating coach Barb Underhill.

“Some stuff is totally new for me, so it’s hard to translate them into the game right away,” Liljegren said. “I’m really trying to get away from my crossovers — to go backwards in a straight line instead of doing crossovers.”

Everyone wants to do the Friedman.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on July 27, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/27/gifs-17th-overall-pick-timothy-liljegren/

HYPE
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: disco on July 27, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/27/gifs-17th-overall-pick-timothy-liljegren/

HYPE

Can't believe this kid dropped to 17th. Mono would destroy anyone's year. Marner went from phenomenal to ordinary when he dealt with his. It's yuge we got this kind of help on D for the coming dynasty in the first year out of the tank.

Gardiner-Zaitzev and Reilly-Liljegren for the next decade looks pretty good.
And the top twelve will be kicking a** and taking names. Steady Freddie between the pipes.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on July 28, 2017, 01:14:01 PM
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/27/gifs-17th-overall-pick-timothy-liljegren/

HYPE

Can't believe this kid dropped to 17th. Mono would destroy anyone's year. Marner went from phenomenal to ordinary when he dealt with his. It's yuge we got this kind of help on D for the coming dynasty in the first year out of the tank.

Gardiner-Zaitzev and Reilly-Liljegren for the next decade looks pretty good.
And the top twelve will be kicking a** and taking names. Steady Freddie between the pipes.

Put it back in your pants kid.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Kaberle15 on July 28, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
So, who should get Mono and drop to 31st in the next Draft, to be draft as a Leaf?  ::)
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on July 28, 2017, 01:17:03 PM
So, who should get Mono and drop to 31st in the next Draft, to be draft as a Leaf?  ::)

I like what you did here.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 03, 2017, 09:37:32 AM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/8/3/16088902/timothy-liljegren-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-toronto-maple-leafs-training-camp-shl-rogle-marlies

We're going to have a few more highlights of Timoth in blue and white as he will be attending Training Camp, and missing the start of the SHL season.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 04, 2017, 01:05:52 PM

Hmmmmm

Liljegren and Team Sweden are facing off against the Canadians on TSN right now.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 04, 2017, 02:22:42 PM

Hmmmmm

Liljegren: "We were just building chemistry."
Lou: PayPal sent.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bender on August 04, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
Liljegren scored for Swe. Slick shot.

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Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 09, 2017, 01:16:31 PM
www.twitter.com/uffebodin/status/895322570160955394
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
I really wonder if the Leafs plan to keep him and see if he can make the team.  If not for the mono, he was projected as the best dman of the draft, a top 3 potential pick.  Usually there's a few guys that go right from the draft into the NHL, I wonder if he's one.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 10, 2017, 09:33:35 AM
If not for the mono, he was projected as the best dman of the draft, a top 3 potential pick.

No. Before the season he was that highly thought of. Then he fell. In part because of mono and in part because he didn't play well. Year-out draft projections aren't entirely useful even when everyone's healthy. Angelo Esposito wasn't a superstar.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2017, 09:38:27 AM
If not for the mono, he was projected as the best dman of the draft, a top 3 potential pick.

No. Before the season he was that highly thought of. Then he fell. In part because of mono and in part because he didn't play well. Year-out draft projections aren't entirely useful even when everyone's healthy. Angelo Esposito wasn't a superstar.

But the mono led to his not playing well and subsequent draft rankings drop.   I'm hopeful with a full summer training he's back to full strength and can perform like scouts had envisioned one year ago.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 10, 2017, 09:40:16 AM
I really wonder if the Leafs plan to keep him and see if he can make the team.  If not for the mono, he was projected as the best dman of the draft, a top 3 potential pick.  Usually there's a few guys that go right from the draft into the NHL, I wonder if he's one.

He'd have to blow everyone out of the water to make the team off the hop. I see them giving him a full length look training camp.

Usually the ones that jump from draft to NHL are getting picked by garbage teams due to garbage depth. We have lots of depth now at RD, but we don't have the franchise-level of player that a contending team prefers to have back there. Liljegren has a shot at becoming such a player and I don't mind slow rolling it a bit to get him up to speed and adjusted on NHL ice.

The Marlies is the best situation for him to grow at the moment: NHL ice, Leafs system training (esp. for defense), SO MANY Swedes on that team, and future teammates to grow with.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bullfrog on August 10, 2017, 10:25:51 AM
I really wonder if the Leafs plan to keep him and see if he can make the team.  If not for the mono, he was projected as the best dman of the draft, a top 3 potential pick.  Usually there's a few guys that go right from the draft into the NHL, I wonder if he's one.

The good news is there's the option of placing him with the Marlies, because he was drafted out of Europe.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 10, 2017, 11:01:30 AM
But the mono led to his not playing well and subsequent draft rankings drop.   I'm hopeful with a full summer training he's back to full strength and can perform like scouts had envisioned one year ago.

Why he didn't play well is a combination of things. He did, however, return from the Mono and the Leafs aren't the only team that know that Mono is a temporary condition. The reasons for his drop are more varied than just him having mono. Scouts clearly saw things in his return they didn't like.

We all hope he can have a solid career but we shouldn't put the burden on him of a draft position higher than where he was actually drafted.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 10, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
It's just interview talk after the fact, but Liljegren has stated that he accelerated his return from mono (i.e. before he was 100%) and tried to do too much on the ice in reaction to seeing his draft stock falling as others climbed.

A lot of his issues on the ice are largely decision-making ones, rather than a lack of skill or physical capability.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bender on August 10, 2017, 12:06:02 PM
It's just interview talk after the fact, but Liljegren has stated that he accelerated his return from mono (i.e. before he was 100%) and tried to do too much on the ice in reaction to seeing his draft stock falling as others climbed.

A lot of his issues on the ice are largely decision-making ones, rather than a lack of skill or physical capability.

Yeah you hope that he calms down, get his his head level and realized he doesn't have to overplay to prove himself.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 10, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
It's just interview talk after the fact, but Liljegren has stated that he accelerated his return from mono (i.e. before he was 100%) and tried to do too much on the ice in reaction to seeing his draft stock falling as others climbed.

A lot of his issues on the ice are largely decision-making ones, rather than a lack of skill or physical capability.

I mean, we've had this conversation before but high speed decision making is very much a skill. We've all seen countless examples of guys with tons of "skill" and NHL bodies who never put it together.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 10, 2017, 01:15:47 PM
I mean, we've had this conversation before but high speed decision making is very much a skill. We've all seen countless examples of guys with tons of "skill" and NHL bodies who never put it together.

And I enjoyed that conversation, so let's have it again!

Yes it is very much a skill that can be developed. I think it's also pretty contingent on who else is on the ice, who you trust to do what, the structure of the team you're playing on and against.

We saw similar with Gardiner. He had many visible decision making gaffes that were a function of a) how much he had the puck (due to skillz); b) how often he was left on his own (due to teams structure and teammates).
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 10, 2017, 02:17:50 PM
Yes it is very much a skill that can be developed.

And this was our impasse. I still don't agree that it can be developed the way you do. I think a lot of it is as innate as size or speed. Even with Gardiner, he still has the tools and quickness to make some very good decisions but he also is prone to the occasional brain cramp.

Some guys are hardwired to be risk takers. There are elements of positional play that get better with age and players can retrain themselves to use their talents in different ways but, again, that's true of other abilities that you probably would say can't be taught.

A player's capacity to grow and develop in that way is a big question mark at the draft. Sure, someone like Liljegren isn't going to have physical impediments in his way but outside of size, which I think we both agree is overvalued, anyone picked in the first round is going to have the same question marks of whether or not they can train themselves to improve at the mental side of the game.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bullfrog on August 10, 2017, 02:51:41 PM
I'm on Nik's side. I'm dumbing it down, but it's like saying "anyone can get smarter." That's just simply not true (within reason.)

Sure, a smart hockey player can learn more about the game through coaching and experience, but there's still finite limits on a player's capacity to think extremely quickly and to be creative in applying their skills.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 10, 2017, 03:02:03 PM
And this was our impasse. I still don't agree that it can be developed the way you do. I think a lot of it is as innate as size or speed. Even with Gardiner, he still has the tools and quickness to make some very good decisions but he also is prone to the occasional brain cramp.

Some guys are hardwired to be risk takers. There are elements of positional play that get better with age and players can retrain themselves to use their talents in different ways but, again, that's true of other abilities that you probably would say can't be taught.

A player's capacity to grow and develop in that way is a big question mark at the draft. Sure, someone like Liljegren isn't going to have physical impediments in his way but outside of size, which I think we both agree is overvalued, anyone picked in the first round is going to have the same question marks of whether or not they can train themselves to improve at the mental side of the game.

Are we discussing decision making as a skill or as an innate talent?

The definitions I'm going by:
talent: innate capability for performing a certain task (prior to formal training)
skill: ability to perform a certain task

I think both play a part, as there are some that are better at quick decision making, just as there are some that have longer strides, or better hand-eye coordination and spatial cognition out of the box. I also think those non-physiological talents can be (laboriously) taught and refined, or compensated in other ways that yield a similar effect, but not as good as if they had that talent headstart.

So Liljegren's (and Gardiner's) penchant for riskier plays, for what they perceive to be a higher payoff, can be accommodated by team structure/linemates as well as coaching (positioning, pre-programed decisions based on reference points).

If you'll recall Frank Catalanotto, bench player for the Jays some years back, he was not the most talented physically or skill-wise, but he found his place in the game by being obsessively prepared (http://www.newsday.com/sports/the-book-on-catalanotto-he-s-well-prepared-1.1821928). He wrote his own scouting report on every pitcher/catcher and umpire he ever encountered, logging every pitch and what he did with it, how the pitchers moved for those pitches, and whether there were any tipping signs.

To Bullfrog's point about applying creativity, that was sort of where our previous discussion on teaching defense vs teaching offense went. Offense has a very narrow win-condition (goal), whereas defense has a lot of outs to work with. Liljegren has oodles of talent and skill for the offensive side of the game. His defense is not bad, but it's really how he deploys his skills and chooses to play that's the issue for him.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 10, 2017, 03:04:00 PM
I'm on Nik's side. I'm dumbing it down, but it's like saying "anyone can get smarter." That's just simply not true (within reason.)

Sure, a smart hockey player can learn more about the game through coaching and experience, but there's still finite limits on a player's capacity to think extremely quickly and to be creative in applying their skills.

Yeah, I think even calling it "decision making" is probably misleading because it's not, you know, sitting down and deciding whether or not a fixed rate or variable mortgage is best for you. It's like you say it's really more a case of reflexes than thought process.

Hockey is by it's nature a chaotic game. The puck bounces, the ice surface shifts, people lose tires and get out of position...coaching is an attempt to effectively control that chaos as best as you can so you can drill certain repeatable processes but players are always going to be in unfamiliar situations and needing to think on their feet.

Which again, doesn't suggest Liljegren can't do it just that putting it all together for him is no more assured than it is anyone else.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 10, 2017, 03:17:33 PM
Are we discussing decision making as a skill or as an innate talent?

The definitions I'm going by:
talent: innate capability for performing a certain task (prior to formal training)
skill: ability to perform a certain task

What I'm saying is that you're drawing too distinct a line between the two. That basically anything anyone does is a blend of both.

I also think those non-physiological talents can be (laboriously) taught...

I think just about anything can be "taught" in as much as it can be instructed but the capacity to learn and execute is as much an innate quality as having them in the first place. To use an analogy, I have no doubt that advanced level math can be taught but I don't think everyone is as equally capable of learning it.

So Liljegren's (and Gardiner's) penchant for riskier plays, for what they perceive to be a higher payoff, can be accommodated by team structure/linemates as well as coaching (positioning, pre-programed decisions based on reference points).

If you'll recall Frank Catalanotto...

If you ever get a chance there's a very good baseball book called Men at Work by George Will which is basically a very deep dive on how three players and one manager study the game. It's divided into Hitting(Tony Gwynn), Fielding(Cal Ripken) and Pitching(Orel Hershiser) and then Managing(Sparky Anderson).

Anyways, in the Gwynn chapter they talk about him sort of similarly. How he never really looked like an athlete or had obvious physical gifts but it was his studious approach to hitting that made him a HOFer.

Anyways, in it, there's a bit about Gwynn trying to get a teammate, a spectacularly talented player who wasn't doing very well, to approach the game the way he did and make use of his natural talents only to find out it just wouldn't work. Gwynn then makes the case I'm making here. That his capacity to learn and study and then apply that to the things he needs to do in fractions of a second is as much a "talent" as just running fast.

Anyways, it's a good book.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 14, 2017, 08:18:54 AM
I wonder what impact concussions have on this skill?  Is Crosby putting up less points because of his concussion history, or is it because he's playing the game differently because he values wins over points and he has hit that point in his career where he knows when to turn it on? 

Gardiner is an interesting case.  I thought after his rookie year that he was going to be a different defenceman than he is now.  I thought he looked more composed in his rookie year than he does now.  I really felt at the time that the concussion he got at the AHL level set him back as he didn't look like the same d-man.  Now I am not sure if there weren't other reasons why I felt he looked composed in his rookie season, like lack of comparables on the team, lower expectations on him, etc.   
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 09:04:14 AM
If you ever get a chance there's a very good baseball book called Men at Work by George Will which is basically a very deep dive on how three players and one manager study the game. It's divided into Hitting(Tony Gwynn), Fielding(Cal Ripken) and Pitching(Orel Hershiser) and then Managing(Sparky Anderson).

Anyways, in the Gwynn chapter they talk about him sort of similarly. How he never really looked like an athlete or had obvious physical gifts but it was his studious approach to hitting that made him a HOFer.

Anyways, in it, there's a bit about Gwynn trying to get a teammate, a spectacularly talented player who wasn't doing very well, to approach the game the way he did and make use of his natural talents only to find out it just wouldn't work. Gwynn then makes the case I'm making here. That his capacity to learn and study and then apply that to the things he needs to do in fractions of a second is as much a "talent" as just running fast.

Anyways, it's a good book.

Thanks for the recommendation! That sounds very interesting to explore.

Over the weekend, I was listening to some old Infinite Monkey Cage episodes, and they were talking about brain development (specifically what sex has to do with your brain differences -- next to nothing was the conclusion) being a function of brain structure shape (which is what you're born with) and how it grows through usage (practice develops and reinforces neural pathways), which literally changes its shape (and by extension, aptitudes). This helps me understand the issue that Gwynn encountered, and also dovetails nicely with your advanced mathematics analogy.

So SI's pondering about concussions is very interesting in his case because it's such an under-studied field. We know for certain that brain trauma/injuries can cause functional and personality changes, but the how of it all is understandably hard to study. The brain has a lot of compensatory functions built into it, so it's kind of hard to know what's 'normal'. For example, in blind people, their brain areas that control the optics are used to augment the processing of the sound they hear.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: slapshot on August 15, 2017, 02:51:42 AM
I wonder what impact concussions have on this skill?  Is Crosby putting up less points because of his concussion history, or is it because he's playing the game differently because he values wins over points and he has hit that point in his career where he knows when to turn it on? 

Gardiner is an interesting case.  I thought after his rookie year that he was going to be a different defenceman than he is now.  I thought he looked more composed in his rookie year than he does now.  I really felt at the time that the concussion he got at the AHL level set him back as he didn't look like the same d-man.  Now I am not sure if there weren't other reasons why I felt he looked composed in his rookie season, like lack of comparables on the team, lower expectations on him, etc.

I thought Gardiner was pretty composed last year, for the first season in several. Working under Babcock has been good for his game. Babs shows confidence in him, and I think that has helped.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 05, 2017, 08:32:06 PM
What we need to do is make sure Rasmus Dahlin gets mono too at some point next season so we can draft him as well when he slides down the draft.

www.twitter.com/Canucks/status/905197162291539968

Whichever one of you did this, you got the wrong one.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: disco on September 06, 2017, 10:58:11 AM
What we need to do is make sure Rasmus Dahlin gets mono too at some point next season so we can draft him as well when he slides down the draft.

www.twitter.com/Canucks/status/905197162291539968

Whichever one of you did this, you got the wrong one.

hahahaha!

On a more serious note, all our future first-round picks need to come down with mono during their pre-draft year.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 06, 2017, 05:29:04 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/shilton-all-signs-pointing-to-timothy-liljegren-staying-in-toronto-1.848774

Shilton believes Liljegren is likely to stay in Toronto this season, with slightly more information tomorrow when Sheldon Keefe shows up.

Right now, the players are taking part in optional sessions as the CBA limits the number of official practices teams can run. As one of the Leafs blogs pointed out (I can't remember which one, sorry), teams have been hiring former players to run some unofficial practices to get people primed for Rookie Tournaments and Training Camps.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: RedLeaf on September 06, 2017, 06:50:48 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/shilton-all-signs-pointing-to-timothy-liljegren-staying-in-toronto-1.848774

Shilton believes Liljegren is likely to stay in Toronto this season, with slightly more information tomorrow when Sheldon Keefe shows up.

Right now, the players are taking part in optional sessions as the CBA limits the number of official practices teams can run. As one of the Leafs blogs pointed out (I can't remember which one, sorry), teams have been hiring former players to run some unofficial practices to get people primed for Rookie Tournaments and Training Camps.

Hey Herman. Do you know when the first televised game (of any sort) is scheduled ?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 06, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/shilton-all-signs-pointing-to-timothy-liljegren-staying-in-toronto-1.848774

Shilton believes Liljegren is likely to stay in Toronto this season, with slightly more information tomorrow when Sheldon Keefe shows up.

Right now, the players are taking part in optional sessions as the CBA limits the number of official practices teams can run. As one of the Leafs blogs pointed out (I can't remember which one, sorry), teams have been hiring former players to run some unofficial practices to get people primed for Rookie Tournaments and Training Camps.

Hey Herman. Do you know when the first televised game (of any sort) is scheduled ?

Tournament schedule:
Friday, Sept. 8: Montreal vs. Toronto, 7 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 9: Ottawa vs. Montreal, 7 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 10: Toronto vs. Ottawa, 4 p.m.

No idea what the television or radio scheme is going to be if any, but it's held at Ricoh so if you're in the neighbourhood, I'd recommend taking in the game there.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: RedLeaf on September 06, 2017, 10:53:53 PM
Thanks Herman. It's a primer to an exciting season ahead!
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bonsixx on September 06, 2017, 11:31:23 PM
Man, I can't even read that name without thinking of this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi2oyv (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi2oyv)

If you ever get a chance there's a very good baseball book called Men at Work by George Will which is basically a very deep dive on how three players and one manager study the game. It's divided into Hitting(Tony Gwynn), Fielding(Cal Ripken) and Pitching(Orel Hershiser) and then Managing(Sparky Anderson).
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 07, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
Paging RedLeaf:

www.twitter.com/Leafs_TV/status/905487678736650240

I wonder if HNIC is taking the Saturday. Either way, there's a good shot reddit will have us covered in some capacity.

Edit:
(https://puu.sh/xtWXY/81d5cbc620.png)
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: leafsjunkie on September 07, 2017, 07:39:31 PM
Paging RedLeaf:

www.twitter.com/Leafs_TV/status/905487678736650240

I wonder if HNIC is taking the Saturday. Either way, there's a good shot reddit will have us covered in some capacity.

Edit:
(https://puu.sh/xtWXY/81d5cbc620.png)

Saturday's game is Ottawa vs Montreal, no? So I don't think they'll televise it?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 07, 2017, 08:11:54 PM
LeafsTV won't do the Saturday of course. But NHL.com doing all three for free seems like a sweet deal.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 07, 2017, 08:15:05 PM
www.twitter.com/Teaguer21/status/905887387275939844

What's up, portrait video? I've missed you.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: RedLeaf on September 08, 2017, 08:52:49 AM
Paging RedLeaf:

www.twitter.com/Leafs_TV/status/905487678736650240

I wonder if HNIC is taking the Saturday. Either way, there's a good shot reddit will have us covered in some capacity.

Edit:
(https://puu.sh/xtWXY/81d5cbc620.png)

Thanks for the update Herman. I'll be watching!
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 08, 2017, 09:20:39 AM
Unfortunately I'm going to miss the first one tonight, and maybe even the Sunday one, but I look forward to reading up on it in the game thread (?) with y'all hugging with joy because Dermott - Liljegren is tearing up the NZ (they'll probably be separated with stay-at-homers).
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Bullfrog on September 08, 2017, 09:43:24 AM
Nice sword-sheath at the end there.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on September 09, 2017, 10:02:09 PM
So Timoth didn't have a great game but it's not all that surprising given the lineup.
Game recap gifs: https://theleafsnation.com/2017/09/08/rookie-tournament-postgame-leafs-prospects-fall-to-the-canadiens/
Some perspective: http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/09/09/first-impressions-timothy-liljegren/
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on October 08, 2017, 05:03:16 PM

He wears #7 now, and celebrates like Nylander.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2017, 12:09:52 PM
He wears #7 now, and celebrates like Nylander.

Sweet, I can finally gets a Leafs jersey with my number.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on October 09, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
He wears #7 now, and celebrates like Nylander.

Sweet, I can finally gets a Leafs jersey with my number.

He won’t be able to wear that number with the big club due to its retirement.

The Marlies just wanted their defence on single digits.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2017, 12:44:57 PM
He wears #7 now, and celebrates like Nylander.

Sweet, I can finally gets a Leafs jersey with my number.

He won’t be able to wear that number with the big club due to its retirement.

The Marlies just wanted their defence on single digits.

Ah doh, I forgot about those being retired.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: AlmosGirl on October 10, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
Was at the game on Saturday. Liljegren and Dermott both looked really good.
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: herman on October 14, 2017, 07:43:21 AM

Marincin with the primary assist!
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: mr grieves on October 29, 2017, 09:17:07 PM
According to Pronman, as an 18yo AHL defenseman, Liljegren is in pretty exclusive company, and he's looking about as good (so far) as others on that short list.

Gardiner's contract is up after next season.

Wonder what Liljegren will be as a 20yo...
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 30, 2017, 10:13:49 AM
According to Pronman, as an 18yo AHL defenseman, Liljegren is in pretty exclusive company, and he's looking about as good (so far) as others on that short list.

Gardiner's contract is up after next season.

Wonder what Liljegren will be as a 20yo...

Who is the company?
Title: Re: Timothy Liljegren Highlights
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 30, 2017, 11:00:56 AM
Who is the company?

This is U19 defencemen in the AHL: link (http://www.eliteprospects.com/league_total.php?league_sum_totals=&teamgroup=&timeperiod=&from=&to=&season=%&leagueid=AHL&pos=Defensemen&leagueteam=&teamname=&nation=&nationname=&age=u19)

Since the AHL has rules against teenagers playing, it's not exactly a lot of comparables. Vyacheslav Voynov, Oliver Kylington, and Hampus Lindholm are really the only other 18-year old defencemen to play full seasons in the AHL. Rielly's name is also there as he joined the Marlies after his WHL season was over in his D+1 year and only recorded 3 points in 14 games.