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Title: Nazem Kadri
Post by: herman on November 03, 2016, 10:34:39 AM
I had been hesitant to start up a thread about Kadri in the past, not knowing how much longer he would be on the roster. Now that he's signed for 6 years at a team (and player) friendly rate, and fresh off a statement game that put to bed a media manufactured frenzy over 1st overalls* (http://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_pod38/dw/image/v2/AAMK_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-carters_master_catalog/default/dwa0a5ea46/hi-res/444A502_Default.jpg?sw=244): here come the Nazem Kadri love letters.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/11/02/the-evolution-of-nazem-kadri/

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Kadri is the fulcrum down the middle for Toronto this season. The expectation is that he will take on all the tough head-to-head assignments thereby creating an easier NHL transition for the Nylanders, Matthews and Marners of the roster and produce like a top-six center in the process. Thats no mean feat, especially when the Leafs go-to defence pairing remains a work in progress.

[...]

[Outside] of two off-nights in Winnipeg and Chicago (inevitably, its going to go sideways some games against top competition), the results through ten games are encouraging. In the early going, Kadri is keeping top centers off the board with some consistency at even strength despite a slow start by the Leafs goalies and he has been carrying an edge in possession in his primary matchups while chipping in four even-strength points and four powerplay points in ten games.

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Im almost shocked how good hes been. And competitive, and greasy.
Mike Babcock on Nazem Kadri
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 03, 2016, 10:49:52 AM
I hope the refs start cutting him some slack, sure he might have simulated on 1 in 5 calls last year, but that doesn't mean you turn around this year and just ignore every time he is legitimately foul or just call him for diving.

Let's see a return to Nazem Kadri Bob Ross drawing penalties.

(https://i.imgur.com/PJDRJDC.png)
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: herman on November 03, 2016, 10:50:38 AM
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2016/11/02/leafs-nazem-kadri-finally-coming-to-his-own-defence.html

I only care about the photo on this one:
(https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/leafs/2016/11/02/leafs-nazem-kadri-finally-coming-to-his-own-defence/kadri2.jpg.size.custom.crop.1086x674.jpg)
"Open your mouth, or the shock-waves from the blast will make your head explode"
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: herman on November 03, 2016, 10:53:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/akX1SZM.gif)

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/11/2/why-tuesday-night-was-nazem-kadri-s-perfect-game

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"I'm not here to be a role player. I want to help this team win," said Kadri. "I want to do everything I can to help these guys win, and in doing that, help the young kids by paving the road and set a good example by doing things right and showing them what it takes to be a professional. All those things I've embraced."

I'm going to start calling him "The 7:00 Shadow".
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: McGarnagle on November 03, 2016, 02:23:40 PM
I can't tell if the guy in the ottawa sweater is happy or angry.

I like how he's spilling beer on the woman next to her and zero reaction.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 03, 2016, 03:29:17 PM
Good stuff Herman! Now I have a place to put the gifs  ;D
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 03, 2016, 03:30:37 PM


Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 03, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
"I'm not here to just be a role player. I want to help this team win." - NAZ
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: herman on November 03, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
Good stuff Herman! Now I have a place to put the gifs  ;D

Yaaasss... Tickle Fight 2016
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Arn on November 06, 2016, 02:01:59 PM
NO ban for last night's hit that kicked off all the shenanigans

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nazem-kadri-wont-suspended-hit-daniel-sedin/
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 06, 2016, 02:22:08 PM
No suspension for Kadri on the Sedin hit.  No head shot neither:


Damian Echevarrieta  @Ech28
Blind side hits are NOT illegal in itself. If the head isn't the MAIN point of contact, it doesn't matter if it's North/South or East/West. pic.twitter.com/edzNqfnf2M
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: TBLeafer on November 06, 2016, 02:44:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwmTb0HXcAA66_w.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: freer on November 06, 2016, 08:06:19 PM
I still think if was fifty hit. I am glad it was not a suspension
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 07, 2016, 03:26:51 AM
I still think if was fifty hit. I am glad it was not a suspension

Yeah, me too. Would have been a big loss, Naz has been playing great. He got a four-gamer last year so I heard if he got dinged this time it would have been repeat-offender status.

It was from the side but in the realm of super dirty it wasn't like kneeing a guy and pretty much ruining his career. Sedin had just shot the puck a split second before. Would I be mad if Marchand did that to Matthews? Probably, but hits like this were much more frequent before the last lock-out. Wango.

Naz is called upon to be the checking center, so he's got to be on the physical edge more than anyone in the top nine. He's going to make a few mistakes. Probably a bit enraged a Sedin got in alone again. And I wonder what caused Rielly to lay out Hanson? That one was great. Took a spear later for his troubles from Burrows.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 08:49:23 AM

Something that speaks to how good Kadri's been in the early going is he's got 9 points in 12 games and his linemates, combined, have 6 points.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 07, 2016, 09:06:34 AM

Something that speaks to how good Kadri's been in the early going is he's got 9 points in 12 games and his linemates, combined, have 6 points.

Yeah the kids have definitely taken a lot of the attention away from him but putting up a 60-point pace with his linemates while going up against the top competition is very impressive.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 07, 2016, 09:28:28 AM

Something that speaks to how good Kadri's been in the early going is he's got 9 points in 12 games and his linemates, combined, have 6 points.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.  Yes, Kadri has been good this year, but to say his line-mates haven't is a bit misleading.  They sport an above 51 CF% in tough matchups.  I think since Michalek was replaced by Brown they've been pretty good.

Plus, how many of Kadri's points have come 5-on-5?  Not many:

4 points on the PP (he lines up with Nylander and Matthews for that)
OT goal against Edmonton (3-on-3)
4-on-4 goal against Vancouver (Komarov doing his job in front of the net, Reilly and Zaitsev with the assists)

5-on-5, only three points:
His first goal against Edmonton was nicely set up by Brown
His point against Florida he was on the ice with Marner and Bozak (middle of a line change I assume)
His goal against Winnipeg, Michalek was in on (2nd assist)

Anyways, considering the tough matchups the Kadri line faces each night, I'm not sure who I'd put on his line other than Komarov and Brown.




Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

That Kadri, who is a good offensive player, has been productive despite being on a line with guys who aren't really good offensive players. That he hasn't a ton at 5 v 5 seems to confirm that.
4 points on the PP (he lines up with Nylander and Matthews for that)
OT goal against Edmonton (3-on-3)
4-on-4 goal against Vancouver (Komarov doing his job in front of the net, Reilly and Zaitsev with the assists)

Anyways, considering the tough matchups the Kadri line faces each night, I'm not sure who I'd put on his line other than Komarov and Brown.

I'm not necessarily advocating a change, just pointing out that if Kadri stays with this line all year his point total is probably going to be a little artificially depressed.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Bullfrog on November 07, 2016, 10:34:42 AM

I'm not necessarily advocating a change, just pointing out that if Kadri stays with this line all year his point total is probably going to be a little artificially depressed.

That's ultimately why I picked Matthews over Kadri in the points prediction thread. I think Kadri may end up the MVP of the team, but will be depressed in points as you say.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Highlander on November 07, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
I wouldnt mind seeing Sosh moved up to play with Kadri.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 07, 2016, 12:19:43 PM
That Kadri, who is a good offensive player, has been productive despite being on a line with guys who aren't really good offensive players. That he hasn't a ton at 5 v 5 seems to confirm that.

I'm not necessarily advocating a change, just pointing out that if Kadri stays with this line all year his point total is probably going to be a little artificially depressed.

I agree that Komarov is offensively challenged, despite his output last year. 

I don't agree that Brown isn't good offensively.  He's produced well at every single level he's played and he's still getting his feet wet in the NHL, on a line with the toughest defensive assignment each night. 
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
I don't agree that Brown isn't good offensively.  He's produced well at every single level he's played and he's still getting his feet wet in the NHL, on a line with the toughest defensive assignment each night.

1. That statement re: Kadri includes Michalek's time.

2. It's pretty safe to say that by virtue of making the NHL you've probably produced at every single level you've ever played at. Remember Rob Schremp? Rico Fata? Lots of guys hit a brick wall in terms of scoring at the NHL level.

3. That said, while I think Brown might be a good offensive player at some point I don't think he's going to be a legit 1st liner.
3.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 07, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
I don't agree that Brown isn't good offensively.  He's produced well at every single level he's played and he's still getting his feet wet in the NHL, on a line with the toughest defensive assignment each night.

1. That statement re: Kadri includes Michalek's time.

2. It's pretty safe to say that by virtue of making the NHL you've probably produced at every single level you've ever played at. Remember Rob Schremp? Rico Fata? Lots of guys hit a brick wall in terms of scoring at the NHL level.

3. That said, while I think Brown might be a good offensive player at some point I don't think he's going to be a legit 1st liner.
3.

1.  That time was pretty limited, so i don't see how it will impact his end-of-year totals much unless Michalek is called back up and inserted on Kadri's line.

2.  I can't argue with that.  You are absolutely correct.  His offensive skills may not translate to the NHL. 

3.  I wasn't saying Brown would be a 1st liner either.  Kadri isn't a legit 1st liner either.  His P/60 at 5 on 5 over the last 4 seasons sits below 1.5, which is also below Leo Komarov's output over that span.  So who is depressing who's stats at 5 on 5? (I say that completely tongue in cheek)
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 01:03:17 PM

Re: Michalek I just was referring to what Kadri's done so far. That wasn't so much a long term statement.

As to what Brown might be, or what Kadri is, I'm really saying that perception of Kadri might change if he had guys on his wing who were dragging his point totals up as opposed to vice-versa.

And for what it's worth I think points/60 is kind of a tricky stat that isn't as informative as we might like. Using a similar four year window Thomas Vanek is way ahead of Alex Ovechkin.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 07, 2016, 01:47:07 PM

Re: Michalek I just was referring to what Kadri's done so far. That wasn't so much a long term statement.

As to what Brown might be, or what Kadri is, I'm really saying that perception of Kadri might change if he had guys on his wing who were dragging his point totals up as opposed to vice-versa.

And for what it's worth I think points/60 is kind of a tricky stat that isn't as informative as we might like. Using a similar four year window Thomas Vanek is way ahead of Alex Ovechkin.

You think if Kadri had better wingers the perception might be that he'd be a legit 1st liner?  I don't buy it. 

I think P/60 isn't a good stat in a small sample size.  Just look at the standings for the player with the best P/60 5-on-5 over the last four seasons, minimum 100 minutes:

Mitch Marner:  3.42  ;D
Matthew Tkachuk:  2.94
Anthony Beauvillier:  2.67
Jimmy Vesey:  2.65
Joel Hanley:  2.62
Tyler Motte:  2.62
Paul Bissonnette:  2.60   :o
Jamie Benn:  2.58
Sidney Crosby:  2.54
Oliver Bjorkstrand:  2.54
Connor McDavid:  2.50
Vladimir Tarasenko:  2.46
Tyler Seguin:  2.45
Patrick Kane:  2.43
Ryan Getzlaf:  2.43
Travis Konecny:  2.42

However, in a much larger sample size, I don't think looking at P/60 over a longer sample size (say 1000 minutes minimum, over 4 years) gives us a poor indication of the best players in the NHL 5 on 5.  And I'm not surprised Ovechkin is down at 83rd on that list, below Vanek and a number of others you'd be surprised to hear.  Ovechkin doesn't get alot of assists (below 350th in the NHL over the past 4 years, 1000 minutes min).  Vanek was a very productive player up until last year, when age caught up to him and he no longer looked quick anymore.

Where Ovechkin goes from 1st line player to absolutely elite is on the Power-play.  He's got 71 PP goals since '13-'14  (72 goals 5-on-5 in that same time-span). Pavelski is 2nd over that span with 47 PP goals- that's a huge drop!  It helps that only Erik Karlsson has played more PP minutes than Ovechkin over that span.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 01:52:00 PM
I just realized that when you say "4 years" what you actually mean is 3 years and the start of this year.

Anyways, I don't think points/60 is completely valueless. I just think it's got some flaws and one of them is, for instance, a slight bias against players who get tough defensive matchups. So over the last 4 full(or sort of full as that includes 12-13) Kadri is right around where guys like Giroux, Johansen or O'Reilly are in terms of points/60
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 07, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
I just realized that when you say "4 years" what you actually mean is 3 years and the start of this year.

Anyways, I don't think points/60 is completely valueless. I just think it's got some flaws and one of them is, for instance, a slight bias against players who get tough defensive matchups. So over the last 4 full(or sort of full as that includes 12-13) Kadri is right around where guys like Giroux, Johansen or O'Reilly are in terms of points/60

Sorry, yes I should have been more clear.  Kadri gets a HUGE boost from '12-'13, when he played on the third line and feasted against weak opposition- Grabovski (in particular) and Bozak always lined up against top opposition.

'12-'16 (not including this year, they don't have that option):  1.76 P/60
'13-'17 (not including his big year):  1.47 P/60

Since Babcock took over and asked Kadri to play the heavy minutes:  1.11 P/60
(The reason I didn't just show that number is because its mostly from last season, when he was saddled with Komarov and Grabner pretty much all year, and had a terrible time scoring despite generating a lot of shots.  Komarov is by his side again, so yeah, not much help.)

I don't think he's as effective as the guys you mentioned at generating offense 5-on-5 while having a heavy load of defensive assignments.  I do think he's very effective in his role though, as is the whole line really, as they sport a positive Corsi under tough assignments.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 02:15:56 PM

It's a mixed bag I think. If you include 12-13, yeah, he does get a big boost from some things he did last year that weren't sustainable but as you point out the same is true with last year. I think including one but not the other gives something of a distorted shot of who he is.

Anyways, I largely agree that Kadri isn't quite on the level of those guys but I think that if, in general, he played with better linemates then the perception wouldn't be that he's on another planet either.

To boil it down to its essence, I think he's a little underrated.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 07, 2016, 02:26:31 PM
To boil it down to its essence, I think he's a little underrated.

Around the league, I'd agree he's a little underrated.  Among Leaf fans, its a mixed bag as there are a number of opinions on him. 

I think he's a good 2nd line center that can handle the opposition's top line night in and night out.  As he matures, he may become "very good" in that role.  Then again, if Matthews AND Nylander end up as centermen, then Kadri may end up being one of the best third line checking centers in the NHL, one who can move up the lineup and not hurt you.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Highlander on November 07, 2016, 02:41:58 PM
I don't agree that Brown isn't good offensively.  He's produced well at every single level he's played and he's still getting his feet wet in the NHL, on a line with the toughest defensive assignment each night.

1. That statement re: Kadri includes Michalek's time.

2. It's pretty safe to say that by virtue of making the NHL you've probably produced at every single level you've ever played at. Remember Rob Schremp? Rico Fata? Lots of guys hit a brick wall in terms of scoring at the NHL level.



Rico Fata  (sounds like a Star Wars character), Rob Schremp (More like an unemployed comedian)
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 07, 2016, 02:45:40 PM
To boil it down to its essence, I think he's a little underrated.

And I don't think that anybody can argue that at $4.5mil we're getting very good value for his performance.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 07, 2016, 03:01:24 PM

Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Highlander on November 07, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
I met her when she was on St.Maarten shooting the forgettable Speed 2 movie.  Tiny little thing she is.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 12, 2016, 05:10:45 AM

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Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: herman on November 17, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/11/17/13654778/what-is-it-like-to-play-against-nazem-kadri-toronto-maple-leafs-mike-babcock-sidney-crosby

Just a quick run down of Kadri's effect on the forwards he has faced so far this season, in terms of chances.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 26, 2016, 11:34:12 PM
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on December 03, 2016, 01:40:05 PM
Rooting for him, he survived the microscope that is this city. 24-hour sports talk and sports channels. Gotta feed the beast. Thriving with the stability now.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Boston Leaf on December 03, 2016, 05:34:22 PM
Id say Naz is team MVP at quarter pole
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on December 03, 2016, 06:19:57 PM

I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: freer on December 04, 2016, 01:55:57 AM
I'd say Marner is IMO
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Bullfrog on December 04, 2016, 12:15:52 PM
Id say Naz is team MVP at quarter pole

Agreed 100%. I picked him at the start of the season to be the MVP and I don't there's going to be much to change my opinion.

Even though I picked him to be the leading scorer, I'm actually surprised he's been able to keep up his scoring pace given the role he's been playing.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Highlander on December 04, 2016, 12:58:37 PM
Finally the real Amazin Nazem is here.  Yes MVP but not sure about the Captinan role, by the way when are we going to open the "who should be the new Leaf Captain and when"
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on January 06, 2017, 09:25:22 PM
Naz's old man with the sweet snap-shots.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5NfyHjmHh/?taken-by=hennytweets
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on January 08, 2017, 02:50:58 PM
Naz's Leaf Blueprint episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gemnl6p6KMc&t=9s
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 24, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kadri-aspires-one-day-selke-conversation/

#Kadri4Selke ;)
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: slapshot on January 24, 2017, 03:40:05 PM
Nice to see Kadri racking them up, hitting some milestones, 100 goals as a Leaf, 20 goals tying record for season, with still almost half a season left to play. He should top 30.
What has been remarkable this year is the consistent scoring from three lines deep.
Hyman 7, Matthews 22, Brown 11 = 40 goals
JVR 16, Bozak 12, Marner 11 = 39 goals
Leo 8, Kadri 20, Nylander 9 = 37 goals
The LA Kings used to have a Triple Crown Line Simmer, Dionne, Taylor.
Leafs have their Triple Crown Lines Go Leafs!




Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: slapshot on January 24, 2017, 03:42:37 PM
Just a PS...on the lines. I think Martin and Sosh seem to have better chemistry with Freddie The Goat than with Smith, hard to seem him getting back in the lineup barring injury. They seem to do a much better job of hemming the opposition in.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 24, 2017, 04:48:08 PM
Hyman 7, Matthews 22, Brown 11 = 40 goals
JVR 16, Bozak 12, Marner 11 = 39 goals
Leo 8, Kadri 20, Nylander 9 = 37 goals

That's a pretty remarkable spread, if they can remain close to it they are going to run over a bunch of teams in the second half.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Misty on January 24, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
Hyman 7, Matthews 22, Brown 11 = 40 goals
JVR 16, Bozak 12, Marner 11 = 39 goals
Leo 8, Kadri 20, Nylander 9 = 37 goals

That's a pretty remarkable spread, if they can remain close to it they are going to run over a bunch of teams in the second half.
It's a little misleading, though. If you limit the comparison to even strength goals when those are actually the lines on the ice (usually) you get:

Matthews' line: 33
Bozak's line: 30
Kadri's line: 19
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 24, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
It's a little misleading, though. If you limit the comparison to even strength goals when those are actually the lines on the ice (usually) you get:

Matthews' line: 33
Bozak's line: 30
Kadri's line: 19

It's only misleading if you read the point of it as "these three lines are equally productive" as opposed to "The Leafs have talented offensive players on all three lines".
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Misty on January 24, 2017, 06:10:52 PM
It's a little misleading, though. If you limit the comparison to even strength goals when those are actually the lines on the ice (usually) you get:

Matthews' line: 33
Bozak's line: 30
Kadri's line: 19

It's only misleading if you read the point of it as "these three lines are equally productive" as opposed to "The Leafs have talented offensive players on all three lines".

Yes, I was mentally including the original post's "consistent scoring from three lines deep" comment and (perhaps implied) supposition that there was balanced scoring from all three. The Matthews and Bozak lines are pretty close but Kadri's lags behind them by a fair margin (although for a completely understandable reason so I'm not in any way complaining about it). I'd have to go check it but I also suspect that at least a few of Nylander's ES goals were scored when he was on Matthews' wing whereas I can't recall any of Brown's being when he was with Kadri (perhaps a couple?). I do agree with the notion that all three lines are a threat to score at most times so it definitely presents something of a challenge to the opposition to hold them all at bay.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 24, 2017, 11:15:05 PM
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: RedLeaf on January 24, 2017, 11:20:52 PM
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of opposition to that suggestion, but it's not the worst idea I've heard.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 24, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

I don't have a problem with the concept, even though I think that creates a hole the Leafs don't have a lot of internal options to try and fill it with, but I don't think he's worth that much even as well as he's playing.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: bustaheims on January 25, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

AS Nik says, it creates a hole that the Leafs may not be able to fill internally (Nylander may be able to in the future, but that's still an unknown), and the calibre of defenceman he's likely to return isn't probably isn't going to one that makes the team better than keeping Kadri would - and could quite easily be a downgrade. If Kadri's contract was going to expire in the next season or two, that would be one thing, but he's signed for another 5 years at a very reasonable rate even if he only produces around his career norms while maintaining his improved defensive play the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Highlander on January 25, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
I thought we were over trading our first round draft picks, especially when Kadri is starting to develop into the kind of player we all thought he could be.  He is a hound for the bone even though he is lobbying to be called Katman.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Bullfrog on January 25, 2017, 11:56:39 AM
Kadri's not a first round draft pick. He's a real live hockey player.


Nonetheless, I would not even entertain a trade for Kadri unless it was an absolute steal for the Leafs, which is unlikely to happen. Even in the case of an upgrade on the player, it's hard to argue about the value he brings for his cap hit.

I think of someone like Ryan O'Reilly. Comparable career scoring rate (almost identical) but otherwise an all-round upgrade (has scored a better rate over the previous three years; about the same pace this year). He'd be a great addition, but is he worth $3M per year more than Kadri?
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 25, 2017, 02:40:17 PM
Kadri's not a first round draft pick. He's a real live hockey player.


Nonetheless, I would not even entertain a trade for Kadri unless it was an absolute steal for the Leafs, which is unlikely to happen. Even in the case of an upgrade on the player, it's hard to argue about the value he brings for his cap hit.

I think of someone like Ryan O'Reilly. Comparable career scoring rate (almost identical) but otherwise an all-round upgrade (has scored a better rate over the previous three years; about the same pace this year). He'd be a great addition, but is he worth $3M per year more than Kadri?

Everything is relative to your cap situation.  Is Shattenkirk worth 11 million per season for the next two years?  No.  But for the Leafs, flush with cap space starting next year, its a great fit.  (Especially if he can be convinced to take a smaller hit on a long term deal afterwards to stay with what should be a contender for a long period of time)
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: bustaheims on January 25, 2017, 03:20:39 PM
Is Shattenkirk worth 11 million per season for the next two years?  No.  But for the Leafs, flush with cap space starting next year, its a great fit.

No, even for the Leafs, it's a bad fit. Regardless of your cap situation, you need to make the most efficient use of the dollars you're spending. A $3M overpayment on any player is a bad fit for everyone.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: sickbeast on January 25, 2017, 04:55:38 PM
I thought we were over trading our first round draft picks, especially when Kadri is starting to develop into the kind of player we all thought he could be.  He is a hound for the bone even though he is lobbying to be called Katman.
LOL
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: McGarnagle on January 25, 2017, 06:14:58 PM
Is Shattenkirk worth 11 million per season for the next two years?  No.  But for the Leafs, flush with cap space starting next year, its a great fit.

No, even for the Leafs, it's a bad fit. Regardless of your cap situation, you need to make the most efficient use of the dollars you're spending. A $3M overpayment on any player is a bad fit for everyone.

I like the idea of getting a top D without giving up assets, but it's pretty safe to say you'd be paying the guy big money for his past history, not upcoming potential play. This is a New York Rangers kind of deal that I'd prefer the leafs stay out of.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Frank E on January 25, 2017, 06:31:57 PM
Is Shattenkirk worth 11 million per season for the next two years?  No.  But for the Leafs, flush with cap space starting next year, its a great fit.

No, even for the Leafs, it's a bad fit. Regardless of your cap situation, you need to make the most efficient use of the dollars you're spending. A $3M overpayment on any player is a bad fit for everyone.

I like the idea of getting a top D without giving up assets, but it's pretty safe to say you'd be paying the guy big money for his past history, not upcoming potential play. This is a New York Rangers kind of deal that I'd prefer the leafs stay out of.

Did I miss something?  Where did this $11m number come from?
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 25, 2017, 06:42:20 PM
Did I miss something?  Where did this $11m number come from?

I think it's a hypothetical number being used to illustrate that not every player can strictly be judged on a performance/cap hit scale.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: sneakyray on January 26, 2017, 08:04:31 AM
Did I miss something?  Where did this $11m number come from?

I think it's a hypothetical number being used to illustrate that not every player can strictly be judged on a performance/cap hit scale.

I thought it came from the slightly ridiculous thought that shattenkirk would come to toronto on a 2 year deal with a huge cap hit because he'd still be 30 and able to sign a long term deal when its done and the leafs would have to resign marner and matthews so would need the cap space then.

There was a rumour from saravelli from tsn to this effect, but no 28 year old player is going to say no to a 7 year 50 million dollar deal, even for a 2 year 20+ million dollar deal.  It would be different if he was quoted as saying he'd be interested but to this point its just been media speculation so has no basis...at least to me.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: TBLeafer on February 20, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
WAY TO GO NAZ!


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 .@MapleLeafs forward Nazem Kadri has been named the NHL's Second Star of the Week for the week ending February 19. #TMLtalk


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 Kadri tallied four goals and two assists in his last four games
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on April 17, 2017, 11:00:54 PM
#TSNTurningPoint
Next shift AM goes down the middle hard and gets the Leafs on the board.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on October 04, 2017, 04:22:38 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/big-read-nazem-kadri-going-prove-isnt-one-season-wonder/
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 19, 2017, 03:06:37 PM
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 20, 2017, 10:28:11 AM
How Benn didn't get a penalty on that play is beyond me. He dropped his gloves and threw a player to the ice. Pretty sure that's the definition of 4 minute minor.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 22, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 23, 2017, 12:42:48 AM


In the olden days, this would have elicited a mini on-ice brawl.  The Leafs players would have gone to the aid of their teammate a bit faster.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on November 23, 2017, 04:57:38 PM
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: disco on December 01, 2017, 12:21:23 AM
Never a dull moment with Naz ;D
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 29, 2017, 01:47:29 AM
Well-intentioned interview.  A very different, better, and mature Kadri -- one of the Leafs' most important players that Babcock can utilize out there.
Kadri tells it like it was, is, and will continue to be:

Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 07, 2018, 09:42:21 PM
Wassup nazkad? Why have you been playing like a sedated person this past month?
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: nutman on January 08, 2018, 09:57:39 AM
Agreed... Something is very off with him. In the Van game he had three tap in passes and missed them all.  He also gave the puck away every time he touched it, his head is clearly not in the game.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 08, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
Agreed... Something is very off with him. In the Van game he had three tap in passes and missed them all.  He also gave the puck away every time he touched it, his head is clearly not in the game.

Interesting that you think his head is not in the game.  I feel like he's still playing well positionally etc.  If you ask me, he's got some sort of hand/wrist injury.   By the end of the Vancouver game Marleau was taking all of the faceoffs.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Frank E on January 08, 2018, 12:46:02 PM
Agreed... Something is very off with him. In the Van game he had three tap in passes and missed them all.  He also gave the puck away every time he touched it, his head is clearly not in the game.

Interesting that you think his head is not in the game.  I feel like he's still playing well positionally etc.  If you ask me, he's got some sort of hand/wrist injury.   By the end of the Vancouver game Marleau was taking all of the faceoffs.

Huh...maybe he injured himself in the Thornton fight.
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: Highlander on January 08, 2018, 01:04:37 PM
Agreed... Something is very off with him. In the Van game he had three tap in passes and missed them all.  He also gave the puck away every time he touched it, his head is clearly not in the game.

Interesting that you think his head is not in the game.  I feel like he's still playing well positionally etc.  If you ask me, he's got some sort of hand/wrist injury.   By the end of the Vancouver game Marleau was taking all of the faceoffs.

Huh...maybe he injured himself in the Thornton fight.
Ya got his thumb caught in a lump of hair
Title: Re: Nazem Kadri
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 08, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
Agreed... Something is very off with him. In the Van game he had three tap in passes and missed them all.  He also gave the puck away every time he touched it, his head is clearly not in the game.

Interesting that you think his head is not in the game.  I feel like he's still playing well positionally etc.  If you ask me, he's got some sort of hand/wrist injury.   By the end of the Vancouver game Marleau was taking all of the faceoffs.

Huh...maybe he injured himself in the Thornton fight.
Ya got his thumb caught in a lump of hair

Hairy palms make it harder to grip the stick...  :-X