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Title: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 10, 2016, 02:40:49 PM
It's too early for a Marlies thread but thought it wise to start off anew and with Marlies' goalkeeper Antoine Bibeau's new mask that pays homage to former Leafs goaltender Felix "The Cat" Potvin. 


Here it is:
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad239/fotogalri/Screen-Shot-2016-08-10-at-11.18.26-AM-1040x572_zpsnok0mhao.png)




http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/marlies-bibeau-pays-tribute-felix-potvin-new-mask/
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Crucialness Key on August 10, 2016, 02:48:55 PM
It's too early for a Marlies thread but thought it wise to start off anew and with Marlies' goalkeeper Antoine Bibeau's new mask that pays homage to former Leafs goaltender Felix "The Cat" Potvin. 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/marlies-bibeau-pays-tribute-felix-potvin-new-mask/

Not to be outdone, Sparks and Kaskisuo immediately get themselves Turk Broda and Johnny Bower masks.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on August 11, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
There's a tall order of expectations that come with that design.  I really hope he can prove to live up to them!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on August 11, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
If you don't have the swag how are you going to be a goalie. Confidence is a bullfighter going into the ring with mustard on his sword..
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on August 26, 2016, 12:58:49 PM
Marlies sign tough-guy Maggio:

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/08/23/toronto-marlies-sign-daniel-maggio-ahl-contract/

I think it's worth mentioning because many here don't like this type of guy, but Dubas signs one every year to play with the Marlies.  Obviously Dubas sees a value, and he's stated this a few times in the press.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 26, 2016, 01:35:38 PM
Useless signing.  Don't know what Dubas sees in this guy.  Guess they do need an enforcer.  Bah!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on August 26, 2016, 01:50:28 PM
Justin Johnson was signed for this role last season. He played 8 games (36 PIM), partly due to injury, and mostly because he had no other use on the ice.

Maggio is chaff for the new AHL fighting rules.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on August 26, 2016, 03:15:44 PM
I imagine this signing is so the other team's enforcer has someone to fight more than anything else - though, with the new rules, even that value is limited. AHL teams need to sell tickets, too, and with the lesser skill level and lack of household names, they need something - and that something is fighting, I suppose.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Tigger on August 26, 2016, 03:19:31 PM
I imagine this signing is so the other team's enforcer has someone to fight more than anything else - though, with the new rules, even that value is limited. AHL teams need to sell tickets, too, and with the lesser skill level and lack of household names, they need something - and that something is fighting, I suppose.

Heck, maybe Prust joins him.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on August 26, 2016, 03:29:53 PM
Heck, maybe Prust joins him.

Possibly, though, I imagine Prust will be looking for an NHL contract even if he'll be playing in the AHL.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Tigger on August 26, 2016, 04:31:50 PM
Heck, maybe Prust joins him.

Possibly, though, I imagine Prust will be looking for an NHL contract even if he'll be playing in the AHL.

Sure, just that beggars aren't going to be choosers at this point, a nice tidy deal that pays him well to play in the A isn't horrible, especially if he thinks he needs the money. I'm also not really saying the Leafs should do that, just that I could see it.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on August 26, 2016, 09:50:29 PM
Both Nylander and Johnson suffer bad head concussions, the solution, a couple of dudes who will do the Ray Donavon on anyone who f___ks with our players. Sorry but until the league officially outlaws fighting which I hope they will do, is you gotta protect the talent or a price will be paid.
Title: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: TBLeafer on October 14, 2016, 10:49:16 AM
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5007b2ea84aef6ab9cd08134/56b17fb440261dd5dfcd7503/56b17fb6e707eb54e4bde894/1454473143562/0202-tom16-white.png)




Full roster details here:

http://www.marlies.ca/assets/default/MARLIES%20ROSTER.pdf
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 14, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Funny last year I was much more interested in the Marlies than the Leafs, this year I don't really care all that much, now that the boys are with the main team.
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: TBLeafer on October 14, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
Funny last year I was much more interested in the Marlies than the Leafs, this year I don't really care all that much, now that the boys are with the main team.

Well there is still your future JVR's, Hunwicks and Bozaks and Polaks to concern yourself with.  ;)
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 14, 2016, 12:34:35 PM
I guess I am most interested to see how Gauthier, Sparks, Timashov, Neilson do more than the rest. and Kapanen. I take it from what Babcock said that Soshinkov will be with the Leafs when he is better
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: Kaberle15 on October 14, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
I guess I am most interested to see how Gauthier, Sparks, Timashov, Neilson do more than the rest. and Kapanen. I take it from what Babcock said that Soshinkov will be with the Leafs when he is better

Kapenen and Gauthier had decent camps with the Leafs...
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 14, 2016, 01:42:50 PM
Ya Freddie looked good and i would have liked to see him on the Leafs but he will get a lot more time to play and develop with the Marlies, and no space for Kapanen as yet.  I also though Sparks played well.
Timashov definetly needs some development time.
Also very excited about Neilson (he could develop into something very good). not so excited about Dermott but we have time on our side.
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: TBLeafer on October 15, 2016, 02:05:45 PM

The game is on LeafsTV for anyone interested.  Started at 1:00.

Marlies up 2-0 after 1 on PP goals by Sosh and Nielsen.

Sparks in goal.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 17, 2016, 10:02:59 AM
Marlies are 2-0 to start their season with a roster that looks pretty OP for the AHL, loaded with on-the-cusp-of-the-NHL-level players (and vets that have fallen off the Leaf roster).

Leading the charge this year (so far in this small sample size) are the kids. Kapanen and Leipsic sporting 5 pts (1G/4A both) in two games, Johnsson potting 3 PP goals himself (50% of the Marlie PP goals, and infinitely more than the Leafs), Nielsen, Dermott, and Timashov all potting their first AHL points.

Nielsen's first pro goal, and first Marlie goal of the season: https://streamable.com/rnzk
Kapanen's first goal of the season: https://streamable.com/qf44
Kapanen feeds Timashov: https://streamable.com/rlmd

Videos courtesy of redditors on /r/leafs
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: RedLeaf on October 17, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
I personally think all the newfound success, (I realize it's still early in the game) can be directly attributed to Mark Hunter and his ability to scout out these great up and coming players for the organization. More than I can recall with past administrations, , there just seems to be more hits than misses at the last few drafts he's run.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 17, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
I'm super excited about our prospects, but a couple of caveats:
a) This is early goings still and a very, very small sample size. They're trending in positive directions though.
b) As much credit as we can give to Hunter, there wasn't exactly a high hurdle to compare him to before
c) Scouting only takes you so far. I'd like to give credit to the development staff as well. No longer does the team just draft and hope players figure it out by playing, but there are concentrated efforts to help individuals develop their games (and off-ice lifestyles) to their fullest potential
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: RedLeaf on October 17, 2016, 10:56:22 AM
I'm super excited about our prospects, but a couple of caveats:
a) This is early goings still and a very, very small sample size. They're trending in positive directions though.
b) As much credit as we can give to Hunter, there wasn't exactly a high hurdle to compare him to before
c) Scouting only takes you so far. I'd like to give credit to the development staff as well. No longer does the team just draft and hope players figure it out by playing, but there are concentrated efforts to help individuals develop their games (and off-ice lifestyles) to their fullest potential

I can agree with that Herman. And like I said, it is still early, but the early results have certainly been promising. It's been a long, long time since we've seen this organization run with this much professionalism, across the board. I'd be lying if I said its been easy to hide my enthusiasm with what Shanahan has done and is still doing since he became president. Add some much needed luck with the lottery draft win, and this team is finally beginning its ascent back up the ladder and into respectability again. The only question in my mind now is, how much longer will it take?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 17, 2016, 11:06:52 AM

Seems pretty unlikely that Hunter played a huge role in scouting Leipsic, Kapanen or Johnsson.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on October 17, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
No longer does the team just draft and hope players figure it out by playing, but there are concentrated efforts to help individuals develop their games (and off-ice lifestyles) to their fullest potential

In addition to that, in the past, they seemed to try to apply a "one size fits all" approach to their secondary prospects (ie. guys they didn't draft early in the 1st round). The new group seems to much more adept at creating more targeted development game plans to address the specific needs of each prospect.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Zee on October 17, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
I thought Leipsic would make the Leafs this season.  He didn't look out of place in limited games last year so I was surprised when he went back to the Marlies.  Hopefully we see him and Soshnikov soon.   Any injury update on Soshnikov?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 17, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
I thought Leipsic would make the Leafs this season.  He didn't look out of place in limited games last year so I was surprised when he went back to the Marlies.  Hopefully we see him and Soshnikov soon.   Any injury update on Soshnikov?

Sosh played one of the Comets games on Gauthier's line and got a PP goal, so I think he's okay now. There have been notes about Soshnikov overworking himself off ice leading to the injury, so letting him work on some stuff with the Marlies and build up his body is not the worst thing. I have him slotted over Martin and Hyman (skill-wise) and Leivo and would love to see him with Kadri again but we have plenty of time to be patient.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 17, 2016, 11:41:07 AM
I thought Leipsic would make the Leafs this season.  He didn't look out of place in limited games last year so I was surprised when he went back to the Marlies.  Hopefully we see him and Soshnikov soon.   Any injury update on Soshnikov?

Sosh played one of the Comets games on Gauthier's line and got a PP goal, so I think he's okay now. There have been notes about Soshnikov overworking himself off ice leading to the injury, so letting him work on some stuff with the Marlies and build up his body is not the worst thing. I have him slotted over Martin and Hyman (skill-wise) and Leivo and would love to see him with Kadri again but we have plenty of time to be patient.

We also have to accept that the only guy in the top 9 we can say with any certainty won't be around long term is Michalek. There's just not a lot of ice time available as it stands.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 17, 2016, 11:58:12 AM
We also have to accept that the only guy in the top 9 we can say with any certainty won't be around long term is Michalek. There's just not a lot of ice time available as it stands.

The next season, we could be dropping Komarov, Bozak, JvR (maaaybe?) by the deadline as well. I don't think they're going to make any decisions on these guys until then, or a compelling offer lands on the table.

Leipsic's contract is up after this season, as well as his waiver eligibility. This is basically his make or break season. Soshnikov, Lindberg, Gauthier, and Kapanen have a bit more runway in line with the aforementioned NHL top-9 departures.

What gives me a bit more comfort with that than usual is this management team showed they were willing to dump decent short term vets for youth with promise. Lamoriello's comments indicated that this might have been a special case scenario this season, however as we're still on the tail end of the teardown overlapping with the building phase.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 17, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
I thought Leipsic would make the Leafs this season.  He didn't look out of place in limited games last year so I was surprised when he went back to the Marlies.  Hopefully we see him and Soshnikov soon.   Any injury update on Soshnikov?

Sosh played one of the Comets games on Gauthier's line and got a PP goal, so I think he's okay now. There have been notes about Soshnikov overworking himself off ice leading to the injury, so letting him work on some stuff with the Marlies and build up his body is not the worst thing. I have him slotted over Martin and Hyman (skill-wise) and Leivo and would love to see him with Kadri again but we have plenty of time to be patient.

We also have to accept that the only guy in the top 9 we can say with any certainty won't be around long term is Michalek. There's just not a lot of ice time available as it stands.

Yup, rather than reach a tipping point next year with waivers, I wonder if they try and turn four quarters into a dollar at some point.

I think we are going to see Andreas Johnsson very soon, I think he's better than the AHL already.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 17, 2016, 12:23:05 PM
The next season, we could be dropping Komarov, Bozak, JvR (maaaybe?) by the deadline as well. I don't think they're going to make any decisions on these guys until then, or a compelling offer lands on the table.

Sure, that's why I said "with any certainty". Any manner of things could happen.

Leipsic's contract is up after this season, as well as his waiver eligibility. This is basically his make or break season. Soshnikov, Lindberg, Gauthier, and Kapanen have a bit more runway in line with the aforementioned NHL top-9 departures.

I get what you're saying here but it strikes me as such an odd way to think of it. Leipsic had a very good year last year and would have made the Leafs if they were in any other situation other than the one where they were already giving a ton of roster spots over to rookies. So the idea that they'd walk away from him if he has a less good year despite never really giving him a shot strikes me as a little strange, especially when you can say he maybe adds something to the mix someone like Kapanen doesn't.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 17, 2016, 01:03:20 PM
I get what you're saying here but it strikes me as such an odd way to think of it. Leipsic had a very good year last year and would have made the Leafs if they were in any other situation other than the one where they were already giving a ton of roster spots over to rookies. So the idea that they'd walk away from him if he has a less good year despite never really giving him a shot strikes me as a little strange, especially when you can say he maybe adds something to the mix someone like Kapanen doesn't.

You raise a good point; my words suggested it, but I wasn't really entertaining the idea of dropping Leipsic (he's awesome). I was thinking more along the lines of that nebulous zone of being a 'highly tradable asset', a la WIGWAL's Grabner trade notion.

Leipsic's niche in the pipeline (smallish, fast, skilled winger) is one that is almost too full at the older end to hang onto for much longer, so it's going to be a bit of a dogfight for him to separate his game from Kapanen, Timashov and try to overtake Hyman or Soshnikov. Dzierkals, Bracco, Korostelev, Brooks, Walker are coming up very quickly as well.

He also has to convincingly pull away from slightly different wingers in Johnsson (sniper) and Lindberg (big 200-footer) because the NHL roster is already locked into Nylander, Marner, Brown for top 9 speed/skill wingers.

tl;dr: Why did we sign Martin?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on October 17, 2016, 01:04:49 PM
We also have to accept that the only guy in the top 9 we can say with any certainty won't be around long term is Michalek. There's just not a lot of ice time available as it stands.

Indeed.  Connor Brown pretty much already has that Top 9 spot spoken for IMO, just too many bodies in his way.  And I don't blame Babcock for running an all veteran line in Michalek - Kadri - Komarov to play against the opposition's top line, followed by Marner and Nylander on the right side- hence Brown being on the 4th line at the moment.   
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 17, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
You raise a good point; my words suggested it, but I wasn't really entertaining the idea of dropping Leipsic (he's awesome). I was thinking more along the lines of that nebulous zone of being a 'highly tradable asset', a la WIGWAL's Grabner trade notion.

Leipsic's niche in the pipeline (smallish, fast, skilled winger) is one that is almost too full at the older end to hang onto for much longer, so it's going to be a bit of a dogfight for him to separate his game from Kapanen, Timashov and try to overtake Hyman or Soshnikov. Dzierkals, Bracco, Korostelev, Brooks, Walker are coming up very quickly as well.

He also has to convincingly pull away from slightly different wingers in Johnsson (sniper) and Lindberg (big 200-footer) because the NHL roster is already locked into Nylander, Marner, Brown for top 9 speed/skill wingers.

tl;dr: Why did we sign Martin?

Admittedly, I don't watch a ton of the Marlies but I'd thought that Leipsic had a bit of gritty sandpapery grit that the other guys didn't. One that might make him more suited than others to having a 4th line spot.

Anyways, one way of looking at it might be that the Leafs' are running out of easy decisions to make. Dealing Michalek is one and looking to deal Lupul I suppose is another but beyond that they're going to have to start making tough choices about who's really got a long term future here and who doesn't. Kadri might have been the first decision they made that wasn't an obvious one and now they have to apply that to JVR, Bozak and that glut of B prospects.
Title: Re: Your 2016-17 Toronto Marlies
Post by: TBLeafer on October 17, 2016, 02:36:05 PM
Mods please merge with the other Marlies thread...
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on October 17, 2016, 02:36:18 PM
Kapanen with 5 points in two games to open the season.  Named AHL player of the week!

http://www.marlies.ca/news/news.asp?story_id=3929
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 18, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
In addition to that, in the past, they seemed to try to apply a "one size fits all" approach to their secondary prospects (ie. guys they didn't draft early in the 1st round). The new group seems to much more adept at creating more targeted development game plans to address the specific needs of each prospect.

The addition of Darryl Belfry and expanded use of Barbara Underhill leads to things like this: https://streamable.com/qf44

That's Kapanen's first goal of the AHL season, which was a power drive from the neutral zone where he literally blows by everyone and cuts in front of the net for a forehander. He gains massive amounts of acceleration (especially relative to the defense which was trying to close the gap) by doing something that Belfry preaches to his players: crossing the feet.

Linear crossovers help players gain a huge amount of acceleration with less energy cost. Belfry’s optimal crossover-per-step ratio is one to three. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/16/development-coaches-critical-nhl-players-success/Ak3isYonCvn3MbQEZhzsVJ/story.html)

Quote
“It generates momentum,” Belfry said. “It changes speed. If you have momentum and change of speed, you can do a lot in the NHL with those two things.”

You can see Kapanen winds up at his blue line. His curl time is accelerated with the crossovers (L over R). As he approaches the OZ and defenders, he switches to R over L briefly to pull his first checker up thinking he'll stop and curl for reinforcements, and then hits the gas going back to the L over R crossover to just divebomb the hapless goaltender.

Imagine Gauthier doing this.

Regardless of how fluid and clean their skating form is, players that don't have crossovers incorporated into their game yet will find themselves running out of steam by the time they break out of their own zone. Regular strides transfer a lot of the expended energy into sizeways acceleration, as forward travel = cosine of the stride angle (always < 1) * stride length.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 18, 2016, 09:45:24 AM
In addition to that, in the past, they seemed to try to apply a "one size fits all" approach to their secondary prospects (ie. guys they didn't draft early in the 1st round). The new group seems to much more adept at creating more targeted development game plans to address the specific needs of each prospect.

The addition of Darryl Belfry and expanded use of Barbara Underhill leads to things like this: https://streamable.com/qf44

That's Kapanen's first goal of the AHL season, which was a power drive from the neutral zone where he literally blows by everyone and cuts in front of the net for a forehander. He gains massive amounts of acceleration (especially relative to the defense which was trying to close the gap) by doing something that Belfry preaches to his players: crossing the feet.

Linear crossovers help players gain a huge amount of acceleration with less energy cost. Belfry’s optimal crossover-per-step ratio is one to three. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/16/development-coaches-critical-nhl-players-success/Ak3isYonCvn3MbQEZhzsVJ/story.html)

Quote
“It generates momentum,” Belfry said. “It changes speed. If you have momentum and change of speed, you can do a lot in the NHL with those two things.”

You can see Kapanen winds up at his blue line. His curl time is accelerated with the crossovers (L over R). As he approaches the OZ and defenders, he switches to R over L briefly to pull his first checker up thinking he'll stop and curl for reinforcements, and then hits the gas going back to the L over R crossover to just divebomb the hapless goaltender.

Imagine Gauthier doing this.

Regardless of how fluid and clean their skating form is, players that don't have crossovers incorporated into their game yet will find themselves running out of steam by the time they break out of their own zone. Regular strides transfer a lot of the expended energy into sizeways acceleration, as forward travel = cosine of the stride angle (always < 1) * stride length.

This is a great post.

You should consider writing for one of many Leafs blogs, your breakdowns of the specific techniques involved are very informative and better than most of the analysis on TV.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Arn on October 18, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
Agreed, that was interesting - especially as someone who really has no idea about skating skills or techniques.

Also, is Laich down with the Marlies? I don't think he got into either game at the weekend?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 18, 2016, 10:25:19 AM
Also, is Laich down with the Marlies? I don't think he got into either game at the weekend?

As of right now it sounds like he's essentially a Marlie on paper only. Nobody really knows what's going on there.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 18, 2016, 10:37:21 AM
Also, is Laich down with the Marlies? I don't think he got into either game at the weekend?

As of right now it sounds like he's essentially a Marlie on paper only. Nobody really knows what's going on there.

Whispers on twitter the Marlies explored loaning him to a SoCal AHL team so that he could be closer to his other half.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 18, 2016, 10:39:41 AM
This is a great post.

You should consider writing for one of many Leafs blogs, your breakdowns of the specific techniques involved are very informative and better than most of the analysis on TV.

Thanks! That's a suggestion I'll take under advisement. I haven't played any hockey beyond floor/road and wish I had the chance to get into it more, so reading about the skills development and systems and analytics-based strategies is of great interest to me.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
I guess there are no beach chairs left on Robidas Island and we cannot fake another LTIR.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Arn on October 18, 2016, 06:04:08 PM
I watched a couple of Marlies games last season via the AHL Live website, and I'd like to watch more, but the prices are pretty scandalous. Pretty much the feed off the arena video, with a radio play by play over the top, and it costs $8 per game.

$199 to watch every Marlies game. $349 to watch every AHL game.

EVERY SINGLE NHL game costs $119 on their streaming service which has actual proper TV quality coverage and studios and all
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 19, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
If you were wondering about Johnsson's status: http://theleafsnation.com/2016/10/18/andreas-johnsson-answers-health-concerns-with-huge-weekend

Good write up by TLN. I've said this before, but Johnsson is a leopard on the ice. Not the biggest, not the strongest, not the fastest, but the one you'll never see coming. Slink and snipe.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on October 19, 2016, 03:51:20 PM
Kristen Shilton:
What's going on with Brooks Laich, who has yet to play AHL game w/ Marlies? The latest:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvJt1T2WAAEI_6Y.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on October 19, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
Looks like he is having problems Laitching on.

Seriously this guy has more money than we all will ever make together, he is good looking, his wife a beauty and nothing to do but retire or do community work to stay humble.
Nice problem to have.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 27, 2016, 08:33:37 AM
Well stupid Connor McDavid had to ruin it but for a little bit there the Leafs organization had players ranked 1-2 in scoring in both the NHL and AHL. Leipsic (12 points in 6 games) and Kapanen (9 points in 6 games) have sole possession of those spots in the A.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 29, 2016, 10:12:46 AM
Marlies advance to 6-1-0 with a 4-2 win over Albany. They play again today at 5pm EST if anyone wants to watch there should be streams doing the rounds before the Leafs game.

Leipsic has a 3pt lead atop the AHL scoring standing with 3 goals and 9 apples for 12 points.

Kasperi Kapanen with 4 goals and 5 assists is tied for second place in league scoring with 9pts.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on October 29, 2016, 12:15:32 PM
Bibeau developing in stellar fashion now!


Kyle Cicerella ‏@KyleTheReporter  15h15 hours ago
Antoine Bibeau makes 37 saves for second shutout of season, Marlies beat Albany 3-0. Bibeau 5-0-0 1.40 GAA .951 save percentage this year
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on October 29, 2016, 12:35:55 PM
Nice to see.  He's going to have to do a fair bit to establish himself though.  That playoff run was killer from both Sparks and Bibeau.  The Marlies forward group was let down in a big way.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on October 29, 2016, 01:16:29 PM
Nice to see.  He's going to have to do a fair bit to establish himself though.  That playoff run was killer from both Sparks and Bibeau.  The Marlies forward group was let down in a big way.

True, but they were also used to the offence outscoring their goaltending issues.

When the big gamers on offence lost their game, the fact that goaltending was a bigger issue than the regular season showed became evident.

Nice to see that Bibeau seems to have taken himself to task in that regard. At least so far.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on October 29, 2016, 10:40:35 PM
      Valiev, Rinat   D   0 G   0 A   34 PIMS   0 shots   -1

34 PIMs??  What happened?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Arn on October 30, 2016, 09:22:17 AM
Looks like a minor penalty, 2 fights, plus a 2+10 for instigating then a game misconduct for having a second fight.

Boisterous evening.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on October 30, 2016, 09:36:04 AM
Perhaps he wants to be our Matt Martin on Defense.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on November 01, 2016, 10:50:05 AM
Leipsic and Bibeau take home AHL Player/Goalie of the Month honours!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on November 08, 2016, 11:34:15 AM
Here's a little Kapanen treat:

[youtube]E4l6vD1OUoE[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: RedLeaf on November 09, 2016, 09:29:49 AM
Here's a little Kapanen treat:

[youtube]E4l6vD1OUoE[/youtube]

The kid's got game!!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on November 09, 2016, 10:58:27 AM
Time to get the Laddy up and put Smith down
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: sneakyray on November 09, 2016, 02:24:59 PM
Time to get the Laddy up and put Smith down

seems a bit harsh...
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on November 09, 2016, 05:40:11 PM
let me rephrase, I would rather have Kapenen up and Smith playing for the Marlies (but not put down)
Kind of harsh to kill unwanted players when they can be sent to Robidas Island and play Shuffleboard all day.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on November 10, 2016, 10:58:55 AM
If Smith is the guy you wanna demote, it it wouldn't be Kap or Leips replacing.

They'd need a center.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on November 10, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
You could move Komorav back to Centre the 4th line as he was a Centre and move Soshnikov to the first line and that moves Kapenen or Leipsic into the lineup. Brown has not really impressed either outside of one very good game. So seeing him demoted wouldnt really bother me. 
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 10, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
If Smith is the guy you wanna demote, it it wouldn't be Kap or Leips replacing.

They'd need a center.

Holland could go back to centring the 4th line, he was doing a fine job at it before.

Although if Babcock REALLY needs a right-handed shot there who could kill penalties, I'd probably prefer... and I can't believe that I'm actually about to say this... Byron Froese over Smith right now.

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on November 10, 2016, 12:14:34 PM
Holland could go back to centring the 4th line, he was doing a fine job at it before.

Although if Babcock REALLY needs a right-handed shot there who could kill penalties, I'd probably prefer... and I can't believe that I'm actually about to say this... Byron Froese over Smith right now.

Quoted for posterity and hilarity.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 10, 2016, 12:16:31 PM
Holland could go back to centring the 4th line, he was doing a fine job at it before.

Although if Babcock REALLY needs a right-handed shot there who could kill penalties, I'd probably prefer... and I can't believe that I'm actually about to say this... Byron Froese over Smith right now.

Quoted for posterity and hilarity.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/t3NWkCFeRoh2M/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on November 10, 2016, 01:05:47 PM
I am a Holland fan in a big way, but right now I want to see as many of the kidz play as possible. If someone is tearing up the AHL then they deserve a shot……OH NO…forgot about Leivo.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 10, 2016, 01:42:56 PM
I am a Holland fan in a big way, but right now I want to see as many of the kidz play as possible. If someone is tearing up the AHL then they deserve a shot……OH NO…forgot about Leivo.

[youtube]hhzTx89a4gE[/youtube]
Title: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 14, 2016, 05:36:49 PM
So Anthony Noreen the supposed hotshot young coach has been allowed to pursue other opportunities after Orlando Solar Bears hired Drake Berehowsky as head coach at the behest of the Maple Leafs.

Berehowsky runs an analytics tech company, this is probably a move to acquire that as proprietary information. 

Smells like Dubas.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on November 18, 2016, 07:17:12 PM
I take back all the bad things I said about Downtown Conner Brown.  Sorry CB
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on December 15, 2016, 10:50:25 AM
The Ramo road to being the Leafs backup is still rocky.


Kyle Cicerella
‏@KyleTheReporter
Marlies fall 5-2 to Rochester. Karri Ramo now 0-3 with a 3.80 GAA and .880 save percentage in three starts
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on December 21, 2016, 06:58:58 PM
I take back all the bad things I said about Downtown Conner Brown.  Sorry CB
I take back none of the bad things I have said about Ramo Williams, looks like the Adventure will not continue.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on January 04, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
Something that we really haven't discussed lately is that this year is a bit of a lousy showing for the Marlies.

Only a couple of offensive bright spots it seems, Leipsic and Kapanen, and Nielsen on the defense.  Although Nielsen seems to have the vast majority of his production on the PP (16 of 21 points).

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/03/2016-17-toronto-marlies-going-wrong/
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on January 04, 2017, 06:08:22 PM
Something that we really haven't discussed lately is that this year is a bit of a lousy showing for the Marlies.

Only a couple of offensive bright spots it seems, Leipsic and Kapanen, and Nielsen on the defense.  Although Nielsen seems to have the vast majority of his production on the PP (16 of 21 points).

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/03/2016-17-toronto-marlies-going-wrong/

Probably shouldn't be a huge surprise, though, as they lost 10 of their top 11 scorers from last season.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 04, 2017, 06:14:41 PM
Agreed with Busta, we gutted the organization completely,  Nielson and McDermott are green around the gills and the veterans are playing out there contracts in relative unhappyness one would suppose.
Add Goat to the Leafs and they are dead at the Centre spot
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 04, 2017, 06:23:01 PM
The veterans all love the Marlies as they are given almost all the amenities you get in the NHL, they've literally given interviews saying as much.

It's a case of losing scoring to the Leafs, there are a lot of guys just learning the pro game.

In hindsight the decision to send Brooks back to the CHL has been a disaster.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on January 04, 2017, 06:24:17 PM
Later on, Adam Brooks, Jeremy Bracco, Martins Dzierkals, Nikita Korostelev, and probably Stephen Desrocher and Jack Walker will be joining the Marlies next season latest.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on January 04, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
Keeping Brooks down frees up an SPC slot.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on January 04, 2017, 08:24:20 PM
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/816816103888420864

O_o

Wow.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2017, 03:35:29 PM
www.twitter.com/TorontoMarlies/status/817098547824918528

They co-lead the Marlies in points with 30 a piece. Kapanen in 29 games, Leipsic in 26.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on January 05, 2017, 03:38:22 PM
www.twitter.com/TorontoMarlies/status/817098547824918528

They co-lead the Marlies in points with 30 a piece. Kapanen in 29 games, Leipsic in 26.

What a huge missed opportunity to reference Smash Mouth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jWHffIx5E).
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2017, 03:38:47 PM
Something that we really haven't discussed lately is that this year is a bit of a lousy showing for the Marlies.

Only a couple of offensive bright spots it seems, Leipsic and Kapanen, and Nielsen on the defense.  Although Nielsen seems to have the vast majority of his production on the PP (16 of 21 points).

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/03/2016-17-toronto-marlies-going-wrong/

Probably shouldn't be a huge surprise, though, as they lost 10 of their top 11 scorers from last season.

The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on January 05, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.

Yeah. The hype machine was running strong with him, and, I think, made a lot of people forget that, all too frequently, success in European leagues does not translate across the ocean. Not saying it won't with him, but the expectations probably should have been a little more constrained.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on January 05, 2017, 03:59:42 PM
Something that we really haven't discussed lately is that this year is a bit of a lousy showing for the Marlies.

Only a couple of offensive bright spots it seems, Leipsic and Kapanen, and Nielsen on the defense.  Although Nielsen seems to have the vast majority of his production on the PP (16 of 21 points).

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/03/2016-17-toronto-marlies-going-wrong/

Probably shouldn't be a huge surprise, though, as they lost 10 of their top 11 scorers from last season.

The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.

I'm with you on that Carlton, fairly or unfairly. 

Kerby Rychel is another one I expected to really produce, given he wanted out of Columbus so bad.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2017, 04:01:09 PM
Something that we really haven't discussed lately is that this year is a bit of a lousy showing for the Marlies.

Only a couple of offensive bright spots it seems, Leipsic and Kapanen, and Nielsen on the defense.  Although Nielsen seems to have the vast majority of his production on the PP (16 of 21 points).

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/03/2016-17-toronto-marlies-going-wrong/

Probably shouldn't be a huge surprise, though, as they lost 10 of their top 11 scorers from last season.

The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.

He is a strange cat that I still have really high hopes for. I've watched only about a quarter of the games I did last season, but when I have watched Johnsson will looks like the best player on the ice for a period and then you won't see him for another four or five periods.

He is very skilled, I think as his skating and defensive game mature this season he will start to break out a little more.

He reminds me of Kapanen last year a little.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Bullfrog on January 05, 2017, 04:23:07 PM
The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.

I definitely bought into the hype on him. I still have high hopes!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 05, 2017, 05:36:24 PM
Its still very early with him. Let him skate our ice surface for the rest of the year and see what happens next year.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on January 05, 2017, 06:13:26 PM
The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.

I definitely bought into the hype on him. I still have high hopes!

I'm going to give him a pass this year after that dirty hit that resulted in a concussion.  If he's not performing by next season I think we have a problem.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 05, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
The only performance so far that's a little disappointing to me would be Andreas Johnsson. I know it's his first year in North America but with his professional experience and the hype that surrounded him in Sweden I was expecting a little bit more from him.

I definitely bought into the hype on him. I still have high hopes!

I'm going to give him a pass this year after that dirty hit that resulted in a concussion.  If he's not performing by next season I think we have a problem.

True Dat LK
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 08, 2017, 05:27:39 PM
Kasperi "Clutch" Kapanen ties it at 3 in the 3rd with 3 to play against Rochester.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 09, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
Kasperi "Clutch" Kapanen ties it at 3 in the 3rd with 3 to play against Rochester.
I would say Kapi should be our next call up. He is doing that at the AHL level
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on January 13, 2017, 10:54:23 PM
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/820082958338027520

Not good.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 14, 2017, 01:09:33 PM
Looks like Kapi injured his knee, hope not
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 16, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
the team is saying that he will be out some time but not saying what it is. I would say an ACL and that could hurt for a long time. To bad! :'(
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 16, 2017, 12:06:36 PM
the team is saying that he will be out some time but not saying what it is. I would say an ACL and that could hurt for a long time. To bad! :'(

MCL didn't like it maybe fared too well, either.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
Quote
Kristen Shilton ‏@kristen_shilton  21 hours ago
#Marlies updates from today: Brooks Laich was back skating this morning at MCC. Kasperi Kapanen spotted on crutches w/ boot as well.

And this per Craig Custance in an ESPN Insider article (http://www.espn.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=8643):

Quote
The Marlies have subsequently indicated that Kapanen will miss eight weeks with a lower-body injury.

Not good news.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 19, 2017, 01:09:37 PM
In some ways although this is a very bad break and not good news, suggests that this is an ankle injury (or broken foot) and not the dreaded ACL tear it looked like. If he is back in 8 weeks he will be ready for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 19, 2017, 02:19:45 PM
In some ways although this is a very bad break and not good news, suggests that this is an ankle injury (or broken foot) and not the dreaded ACL tear it looked like. If he is back in 8 weeks he will be ready for the playoffs.

I'm assuming you mean the NHL Playoffs?  Isn't looking good for the Marlies to make the AHL Playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 19, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
In some ways although this is a very bad break and not good news, suggests that this is an ankle injury (or broken foot) and not the dreaded ACL tear it looked like. If he is back in 8 weeks he will be ready for the playoffs.

I'm assuming you mean the NHL Playoffs?  Isn't looking good for the Marlies to make the AHL Playoffs.
Havent been following the standings that much. I guess I may of made a wrong assumption.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 20, 2017, 07:35:36 PM
Nielsen with both goals as the Marlies lead 2-0 in the first against the Wolf Pack.

http://onhockey.tv/

In case you want to watch.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on January 28, 2017, 10:25:34 AM
Was just reading about Marlies, and the kind of disappointing season they're having.

Looking at the up and comers, Kapanen and Leipsic are the only ones that might be ready to graduate.  I thought this was kind of disappointing.

But really, is anyone expecting the Marlies to develop more than 2 NHL ready guys per season?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on January 28, 2017, 10:37:26 AM
Was just reading about Marlies, and the kind of disappointing season they're having.

Looking at the up and comers, Kapanen and Leipsic are the only ones that might be ready to graduate.  I thought this was kind of disappointing.

But really, is anyone expecting the Marlies to develop more than 2 NHL ready guys per season?

Good point, I would think 2 per season would do the trick.  However it is possible to have a season were they may be able to graduate 4.  I can see Neilson and Dermott being ready in 2 more years, by that time Kapenen and Leipsic may find a spot as well. And they seem to want to fast track Gundstrom to the Marlies for some reason.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on February 06, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/828310717652692995

I was looking around for these numbers. 10 pts in 7 games.

In the 7 games prior up to Jan 20, the Marlies suffered 4 losses in a row. Since Griffith's arrival: only 2 losses in those 7, one coming on Seth's first game with the team.

It's not all Griffith either. Sparks is finally starting to get more starts, and he's putting up way better numbers than Bibeau since last season but mysteriously got the shaft for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on February 21, 2017, 11:17:28 AM
Pretty much every Marlie whose name you know is currently injured in some way.

Brendan Miller, called up from the ECHL, potted his first goal of his AHL career yesterday.
www.twitter.com/TorontoMarlies/status/833779725373939712

His sticks didn't arrive in Toronto in time, either, so he was borrowing Soshnikov's.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on February 28, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
Kapanen and Leipsic are back in skates!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Zee on February 28, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
Kapanen and Leipsic are back in skates!

Hopefully both are close to returning, would like to see one of them called up and get a shot.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: TBLeafer on February 28, 2017, 01:38:43 PM
Thanks for the Marlies update Herman, I am just posting the Tweet from Alter to confirm.

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on February 28, 2017, 01:49:14 PM
A+ TBLeafer. That's where I saw it first.

Kapanen is still probably a week or so out (knees are tricky). Leipsic is much closer.

Good for the Marlies, who just lost their leading scorer, Froese, to the team he scored the most against (4 G in 4 GP against Syracuse).

Marlies also picked up a pretty complicated name on loan:
www.twitter.com/TorontoMarlies/status/836598505829502977
He is the very definition of nothing to be excited about.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on February 28, 2017, 03:47:51 PM
good news for sure and with Froese gone they are going to need the firepower
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 10:52:12 AM
Kapanen returns to the Marlies today after missing 20 games with an injury. Line-up:

Moore Greening Griffith
Timashov Kalinin Kapanen
Rychel Gauthier Johnsson
Leblond Laich Cameranesi

Campbell Holl
Dermott Oleksy
Nielsen Wrenn

Bibeau

Once Leipsic returns, which should be soon, the Marlies wingers are going to be absolutely deadly. Especially if Timashov and Johnsson stay hot.

The centre position OTOH...
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 02, 2017, 11:02:00 AM
Kapanen returns to the Marlies today after missing 20 games with an injury. Line-up:

Moore Greening Griffith
Timashov Kalinin Kapanen
Rychel Gauthier Johnsson
Leblond Laich Cameranesi

Campbell Holl
Dermott Oleksy
Nielsen Wrenn

Bibeau

Once Leipsic returns, which should be soon, the Marlies wingers are going to be absolutely deadly. Especially if Timashov and Johnsson stay hot.

The centre position OTOH...

Will Adam Brooks be able to join the team once the WHL playoffs/Mem Cup is over? Because you have to figure he'd instantly become their best/oldest centre.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
The Marlies have also fought their way into a playoff spot, which admittedly I didn't see coming a couple of months ago. Corrado and Froese were both big parts of that though, so we'll see how they play without them.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 02, 2017, 11:06:59 AM
Kapanen returns to the Marlies today after missing 20 games with an injury. Line-up:

Moore Greening Griffith
Timashov Kalinin Kapanen
Rychel Gauthier Johnsson
Leblond Laich Cameranesi

Campbell Holl
Dermott Oleksy
Nielsen Wrenn

Bibeau

Once Leipsic returns, which should be soon, the Marlies wingers are going to be absolutely deadly. Especially if Timashov and Johnsson stay hot.

The centre position OTOH...

Will Adam Brooks be able to join the team once the WHL playoffs/Mem Cup is over? Because you have to figure he'd instantly become their best/oldest centre.

Yes, he can join the team after his team is eliminated.  Seeing as his team is #1 in the CHL, I doubt the Marlies are still playing when his season ends.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 11:07:08 AM
Will Adam Brooks be able to join the team once the WHL playoffs/Mem Cup is over? Because you have to figure he'd instantly become their best/oldest centre.

His team, the Regina Pats, are hosting the Mem Cup this year. They're also the top ranked team in the WHL. So they'll likely be going pretty deep there. I doubt he'll be available.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 02, 2017, 11:08:53 AM
Will Adam Brooks be able to join the team once the WHL playoffs/Mem Cup is over? Because you have to figure he'd instantly become their best/oldest centre.

His team, the Regina Pats, are hosting the Mem Cup this year. They're also the top ranked team in the WHL. So they'll likely be going pretty deep there. I doubt he'll be available.

The Pats are hosting the Mem Cup next year.  This year the Mem Cup is in Windsor.  As you said though, they will likely be going pretty deep so he will not likely be available.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 11:10:42 AM
The Pats are hosting the Mem Cup next year.  This year the Mem Cup is in Windsor.  As you said though, they will likely be going pretty deep so he will not likely be available.

Ah, thanks, I googled 2017 Memorial Cup and saw their name pop up near the top.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 02, 2017, 11:11:38 AM
Will Adam Brooks be able to join the team once the WHL playoffs/Mem Cup is over? Because you have to figure he'd instantly become their best/oldest centre.

His team, the Regina Pats, are hosting the Mem Cup this year. They're also the top ranked team in the WHL. So they'll likely be going pretty deep there. I doubt he'll be available.

Ah well. They'll have to look elsewhere for veteran leadership I suppose.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 02, 2017, 11:21:20 AM
Fehr can play centre, so there's that.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 02, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
I'd consider swinging Moore into the middle if our wings are so clogged.

Next year, we're adding Brooks, Bracco, Korostelev (currently injured), Dzierkals, Desrocher, Piccinich, Walker, Bobylev, and maybe Grundstrom, so this could get really stupid (awesome). Only one centre in that bunch. Maybe Cameranesi makes the move to centre too.

Lou mentioned that maybe half a dozen of the current Marlies are NHL capable right now (Kapanen, Leipsic, Griffith, Rychel, Gauthier being the obvious ones). Assuming one gets poached in expansion, and 2-3 graduate, the Marlies are looking staaaaacked next season.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 02, 2017, 11:29:54 AM
We're at the 50 SPC limit, so there won't be any help coming for the Marlies (other than Soshnikov, or ATOs). Fehr can play the regular season, but I don't think he is eligible for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 11:30:13 AM
The Marlies also made a bit of a strange move yesterday trading centre Colin Smith away for right-winger Mike Sislo. Smith, as some might remember, was acquired last year in the Matthias to Colorado trade. He went on a tear with the Marlies post-trade, scoring 22 points in 23 games. Signed an AHL deal in the summer. This season he's spent a lot of time on the wing for whatever reason and his scoring has dropped a bit but he's still been productive. Sislo seems like a roughly comparable AHLer but he's older and also has a bit of NHL experience. I'm just not sure why they'd move yet another centre out of the team.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 11:40:27 AM
I'd consider swinging Moore into the middle if our wings are so clogged.

Next year, we're adding Brooks, Bracco, Korostelev (currently injured), Dzierkals, Desrocher, Piccinich, Walker, Bobylev, and maybe Grundstrom, so this could get really stupid (awesome). Only one centre in that bunch. Maybe Cameranesi makes the move to centre too.

Lou mentioned that maybe half a dozen of the current Marlies are NHL capable right now (Kapanen, Leipsic, Griffith, Rychel, Gauthier being the obvious ones). Assuming one gets poached in expansion, and 2-3 graduate, the Marlies are looking staaaaacked next season.

You might be getting a little carried away there. Of the guys you mentioned Brooks, Bracco, and maybe Grunstrom would probably be the only guys with a good chance of being impact AHLers in their rookie seasons, if at all.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 02, 2017, 11:46:53 AM
Will Adam Brooks be able to join the team once the WHL playoffs/Mem Cup is over? Because you have to figure he'd instantly become their best/oldest centre.

His team, the Regina Pats, are hosting the Mem Cup this year. They're also the top ranked team in the WHL. So they'll likely be going pretty deep there. I doubt he'll be available.

The Pats are hosting the Mem Cup next year.  This year the Mem Cup is in Windsor.  As you said though, they will likely be going pretty deep so he will not likely be available.

Well, I hope the Pats blow it early.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 02, 2017, 11:52:54 AM
You might be getting a little carried away there. Of the guys you mentioned Brooks, Bracco, and maybe Grunstrom would probably be the only guys with a good chance of being impact AHLers in their rookie seasons, if at all.

I totally am, mostly from excitement that the Marlies will no longer be clogged with that many cap dumps.

I'd say Dzierkals has the best chance of the remaining bunch coming in. Walker and Bobylev will probably make a bit of hay but have consistency issues. Korostelev as well, but he'll get focused Barb time over the next couple of years (a la Leivo). I nothing Desrocher and Middleton, but they'll probably anchor the bottom pairing.

I think Kapanen and Leipsic will graduate for sure, maybe Gauthier depending on Boyle, and Griffith depending on his playoff showing and training camp.

Not too shabby:
Timashov - Brooks - Bracco
Dzierkals - Moore - Johnsson
Rychel - Gauthier - Korostelev
Lindberg - x - Grundstrom
Walker - x - Piccinich
Bobylev - x - x

Obviously some bodies will move at Expansion and the Draft, but we have a lot to work with up front. Just don't look down the middle or on the backend or in net.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2017, 11:59:10 AM
Obviously some bodies will move at Expansion and the Draft, but we have a lot to work with up front. Just don't look down the middle or on the backend or in net.

I wonder if they look to bring back Froese next year. He's a UFA in the summer as long as he doesn't play 15 games for Tampa.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: mr grieves on March 02, 2017, 02:15:32 PM
I think Kapanen and Leipsic will graduate for sure, maybe Gauthier depending on Boyle, and Griffith depending on his playoff showing and training camp.

Not too shabby:
Timashov - Brooks - Bracco
Dzierkals - Moore - Johnsson
Rychel - Gauthier - Korostelev
Lindberg - x - Grundstrom
Walker - x - Piccinich
Bobylev - x - x

Why so doubtful Rychel moving up?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 02, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
Why so doubtful Rychel moving up?

I kind of think he'll get Vegas'd now that Fehr is here to allow Komarov or Martin to be protected.

Leipsic first, but if Rychel is still around, he'll be up after JvR and Komarov are gone.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 02, 2017, 02:26:07 PM
I think Kapanen and Leipsic will graduate for sure, maybe Gauthier depending on Boyle, and Griffith depending on his playoff showing and training camp.

Not too shabby:
Timashov - Brooks - Bracco
Dzierkals - Moore - Johnsson
Rychel - Gauthier - Korostelev
Lindberg - x - Grundstrom
Walker - x - Piccinich
Bobylev - x - x

Why so doubtful Rychel moving up?

LW Depth Chart:

JvR
Hyman
Komarov
Martin
Leipsic

So two of those guys (cough* JvR, Komarov cough*) would need to be moved.  The above also doesn't account for the fact Leivo and Soshnikov might also end up as LW.  (RW depth chart being  Marner, Nylander, Brown, Sosh, Leivo, Kapanen... thats 6 guys for 4 spots. )

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 02, 2017, 03:00:33 PM
What I haven't seen mentioned is the potential waiver issues for bubble AHL guys that won't have exemption next year.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: mr grieves on March 02, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
Why so doubtful Rychel moving up?

LW Depth Chart:

JvR
Hyman
Komarov
Martin
Leipsic

So two of those guys (cough* JvR, Komarov cough*) would need to be moved.  The above also doesn't account for the fact Leivo and Soshnikov might also end up as LW.  (RW depth chart being  Marner, Nylander, Brown, Sosh, Leivo, Kapanen... thats 6 guys for 4 spots. )

Yeah, getting ahead of myself and forgot to mention: I was assuming JvR and Komarov would be gone -- Bozak too, moving Nylander to C.

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 02, 2017, 03:13:04 PM
What I haven't seen mentioned is the potential waiver issues for bubble AHL guys that won't have exemption next year.

Already Eligible:
Griffith
Campbell
Kalinin
Oleksy

Eligible next season:
Leipsic
Rychel

Looks like it's not really a big deal, thankfully.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 02, 2017, 03:21:50 PM
LW Depth Chart:

JvR
Hyman
Komarov
Martin
Leipsic

So two of those guys (cough* JvR, Komarov cough*) would need to be moved.  The above also doesn't account for the fact Leivo and Soshnikov might also end up as LW.  (RW depth chart being  Marner, Nylander, Brown, Sosh, Leivo, Kapanen... thats 6 guys for 4 spots. )

Even still that's putting a ton of pressure on Leipsic or Rychel to not only be productive NHLers but to be legitimate 1st line players.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 02, 2017, 03:22:46 PM
Why so doubtful Rychel moving up?

LW Depth Chart:

JvR
Hyman
Komarov
Martin
Leipsic

So two of those guys (cough* JvR, Komarov cough*) would need to be moved.  The above also doesn't account for the fact Leivo and Soshnikov might also end up as LW.  (RW depth chart being  Marner, Nylander, Brown, Sosh, Leivo, Kapanen... thats 6 guys for 4 spots. )

Yeah, getting ahead of myself and forgot to mention: I was assuming JvR and Komarov would be gone -- Bozak too, moving Nylander to C.

Even still:

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Sosh/Leivo - Kadri - Brown
Leipsic - Nylander - Kapanen
Martin - Fehr/Goat - Leivo/Sosh

Still makes Rychel the 13th forward.  That's without bringing Boyle back, which I do believe management wants to do.  I do wonder if the lack of size on that third line makes it an impossibility in reality. 

Also, Gauthier becomes waiver-eligible next year I believe (but not confident in that statement).  EDIT:  I was WRONG.  SAD!  Won't be eligible until 2018-2019.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: mr grieves on March 02, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
Even still that's putting a ton of pressure on Leipsic or Rychel to not only be productive NHLers but to be legitimate 1st line players.

I don't know. Matthews has been dragging Hyman around all season. Leipsic and Rychel look better, and Matthews will be a year older.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 02, 2017, 04:34:10 PM
I don't know. Matthews has been dragging Hyman around all season. Leipsic and Rychel look better, and Matthews will be a year older.

I guess I'm setting my bar slightly higher than "better than Hyman".
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: mr grieves on March 02, 2017, 04:46:43 PM
I don't know. Matthews has been dragging Hyman around all season. Leipsic and Rychel look better, and Matthews will be a year older.
I guess I'm setting my bar slightly higher than "better than Hyman".

As we all should. But I'm wonder about the Leafs' current depth, where players might slot in...

JvR
==Nik's 1L bar==
Leipsic
Leivo
Rychel?
Hyman
Martin
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 02, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
As we all should. But I'm wonder about the Leafs' current depth, where players might slot in...

JvR
==Nik's 1L bar==
Leipsic
Leivo
Rychel?
Hyman
Martin

I guess I'd have to see what Leipsic and Rychel could do at the NHL level before I put them into any sort of definitive slot on the depth chart. I don't think either of them have shown enough to the point where you can definitively say they'll be really good top 6 forwards and, as a result, the Leafs should probably keep an eye open for other options at the position.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 02, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
I don't know. Matthews has been dragging Hyman around all season. Leipsic and Rychel look better, and Matthews will be a year older.

I guess I'm setting my bar slightly higher than "better than Hyman".

"Better than Hyman" .  That is now my second favorite potential band name next to "Memories of Wonderland"
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 08, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
Quote
Toronto Marlies‏ @TorontoMarlies
#Marlies News: The Marlies have acquired F Cal O'Reilly, reassigned from Buffalo.

Well, Marlies just solved their 1C problem. O'Reilly's bounced around the NHL, AHL, and KHL the past few years. Seems like the typical AAA player. 42 points in 47 games in the AHL this season.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 08, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
Quote
Toronto Marlies‏ @TorontoMarlies
#Marlies News: The Marlies have acquired F Cal O'Reilly, reassigned from Buffalo.

Well, Marlies just solved their 1C problem. O'Reilly's bounced around the NHL, AHL, and KHL the past few years. Seems like the typical AAA player. 42 points in 47 games in the AHL this season.

How did they acquire him?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 08, 2017, 05:01:26 PM
Quote
Toronto Marlies‏ @TorontoMarlies
#Marlies News: The Marlies have acquired F Cal O'Reilly, reassigned from Buffalo.

Well, Marlies just solved their 1C problem. O'Reilly's bounced around the NHL, AHL, and KHL the past few years. Seems like the typical AAA player. 42 points in 47 games in the AHL this season.

Guess who the Marlies are conveniently playing tonight? Saves on shipping fees.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 08, 2017, 05:03:24 PM
How did they acquire him?

It's a loan from the Sabres to the Marlies, a la Raffi Torres was loaned by the Leafs to his existing team, the San Jose Barracuda, or when the sens picked up Matt Frattin but loaned him back to the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 08, 2017, 05:34:10 PM
How did they acquire him?

It's a loan from the Sabres to the Marlies, a la Raffi Torres was loaned by the Leafs to his existing team, the San Jose Barracuda, or when the sens picked up Matt Frattin but loaned him back to the Marlies.

I get the Torres thing: SJ got rid of a contract...but this is different...why would Buffalo want to help out the Marlies?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Dappleganger on March 08, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
How did they acquire him?

It's a loan from the Sabres to the Marlies, a la Raffi Torres was loaned by the Leafs to his existing team, the San Jose Barracuda, or when the sens picked up Matt Frattin but loaned him back to the Marlies.

I get the Torres thing: SJ got rid of a contract...but this is different...why would Buffalo want to help out the Marlies?

Marlies pay his salary?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 08, 2017, 05:41:33 PM
How did they acquire him?

It's a loan from the Sabres to the Marlies, a la Raffi Torres was loaned by the Leafs to his existing team, the San Jose Barracuda, or when the sens picked up Matt Frattin but loaned him back to the Marlies.

I get the Torres thing: SJ got rid of a contract...but this is different...why would Buffalo want to help out the Marlies?

O'Rielly is disgruntled with the Amerks/Sabres and Tim Murray cares about feelings.

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2017/3/8/14859502/amerks-loan-cal-oreilly-to-the-toronto-marlies
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 08, 2017, 05:50:14 PM
How did they acquire him?

It's a loan from the Sabres to the Marlies, a la Raffi Torres was loaned by the Leafs to his existing team, the San Jose Barracuda, or when the sens picked up Matt Frattin but loaned him back to the Marlies.

I get the Torres thing: SJ got rid of a contract...but this is different...why would Buffalo want to help out the Marlies?

O'Rielly is disgruntled with the Amerks/Sabres and Tim Murray cares about feelings.

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2017/3/8/14859502/amerks-loan-cal-oreilly-to-the-toronto-marlies

Thanks herman...so looks like this would keep Ryan happy, so all good.

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 08, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
Thanks herman...so looks like this would keep Ryan happy, so all good.

I wish we got Ryan, but I sort of wish we got another brother.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 09, 2017, 01:32:26 PM
Thanks herman...so looks like this would keep Ryan happy, so all good.

I wish we got Ryan, but I sort of wish we got another brother.

Trevor  Van Riemsdyk?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 10, 2017, 02:07:27 PM
Thanks herman...so looks like this would keep Ryan happy, so all good.

I wish we got Ryan, but I sort of wish we got another brother.

Trevor  Van Riemsdyk?

I think it was Michalek...
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Arn on March 13, 2017, 12:08:56 PM
I've tried to follow the Marlies the last couple of seasons. Followed their social media, set up feeds to get their results on my phone etc. I've watched a few games on AHL Live (despite it being silly expensive). But I find it hard to really care so the games kind of almost bore me.

Is there a Marlies core of fans who are Marlies first, or is it mostly people looking to watch Leaf prospects etc. Is there anyone here who would be a proper Marlies "fan/supporter"?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on March 13, 2017, 02:57:03 PM
I've tried to follow the Marlies the last couple of seasons. Followed their social media, set up feeds to get their results on my phone etc. I've watched a few games on AHL Live (despite it being silly expensive). But I find it hard to really care so the games kind of almost bore me.

Is there a Marlies core of fans who are Marlies first, or is it mostly people looking to watch Leaf prospects etc. Is there anyone here who would be a proper Marlies "fan/supporter"?

No Arn, I think we all look at the Marlies as the development camp and feeding tube for the Loafs
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 27, 2017, 09:27:40 AM
The Marlies now sit atop the North division with 79 points in 68 games. They are a little lucky as their division is pretty easily the worst of the 4 in the AHL right now. Despite sitting atop their division they rank just 12th overall in the league. Still, they've definitely been one of the best teams for the past few months.

They had a 3-in-3 this weekend, these were their forward line-ups on the weekend:

Rychel-Findlay-Griffith
Moore-O'Reilly-Sislo
Leipsic-Greening-Kapanen
Timashov-Gauthier-Lindberg
        Moore-Findlay-Griffith
Johnsson-Kalinin-Sislo
Leipsic-Greening-Lindberg
Rychel-Gauthier-Clune
        Rychel-O'Reilly-Griffith
Johnsson-Kalinin-Sislo
Leipsic-Greening-Kapanen
Moore-Gauthier-Lindberg

It's interesting that when Kapanen and Leipsic went down with injuries earlier in the year they were leading the team offensively, and now they find themselves a little lower in the line-up. That hasn't really slowed those 2 down though. Leispic has 5 points in 7 games since returning to the line-up (including 4 points in the 3 games this weekend). Kapanen has 10 points in 10 games since returning from his injury.

Cal O'Reilly, the new centre the Marlies acquired, has 6 points in 7 games with the team. Mike Sislo has been a good addition to the team too, scoring 13 points in 11 games since being traded for Colin Smith. The other Marlies addition around the deadline, Sergey Kalinin, has been a bit of a bust offensively with just 3 points in 13 games.

 Kerby Rychel is on a 3-game pointless streak but prior to that he had 21 points in his last 20 games. Andreas Johnsson is on a 7-game point streak and has 26 points in his last 26 games.And last but not least Seth Griffith has 37 points in 30 games since going down to the Marlies. That Pt/game pace would put him tied for 1st overall in the league in scoring.

Garret Sparks' performance also deserves mentioning. He's 18-7-0 with a 2.08 GAA and 0.927 Sv%. That gives him the 2nd best GAA and the 2nd best Sv% in the league. Bibeau is 13-14-5 with a 3.08 GAA and 0.894 Sv%. The Marlies literally have one of the best goalies in the league and one of the worst, and the worst one has more GP for some reason. Thankfully the team has fixed that situation. Prior to December 28th Bibeau had 16 starts while Sparks had just 6. Since then the starts are 20 to 15 in favour of Sparks. Sparks missed about a month with an injury too but he just returned this weekend (good timing if Andersen is hurt).
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 27, 2017, 09:37:06 AM
Jesus, I just realized that Ben Smith wouldn't crack this Marlies team right now.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 27, 2017, 09:57:20 AM
Inspired by a post on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/61p20m/toronto_marlies_have_now_retaken_1st_place_in_the/):

Yea, on the eve of the twentieth day, of the first month of the year twenty seventeen, the Panthers of Florida did waive their claim to one Seth, of the Wallaceburg Griffiths. The Maple Leafs of Toronto saw fit to expend a contract slot and re-stake their claim to the rights for Seth, in the hopes of returning him to their fold.

On that following day, Seth of the Griffiths was welcomed back to Toronto, under the watchful eye of Kyle of the Dubases, and entered service with the Marlboroughs of Toronto.

Up until this time, the Marlboroughs of Toronto had suffered many losses. Not only had they lost more than half of their battles (16-19-3), but their most stalwart scorers had also fallen to injury. They were in the doldrums after their previous season of success under the leadership of the Golden Child, William of Nyland (also known as the Scoring Guy), and his band of relentless forecheckers (Zach of the Hymans, Connor of the Browns, Nikita of Soshnik).

Seth of the Griffiths could not have arrived at a better time. Since he began plying his trade for the Marlboroughs of Toronto, the tide of the season's battles did turn, granting victory to his team much more often than not (21-7-2). They have since reclaimed possession of the coveted top spot in their division.

---

tl;dr:
Today, the Marlies are 37-26-5, and now sit atop the North Division.
Up to Jan 20, they were 16-19-3; win% = 0.421.
Jan 21 to now: 21-7-2; win% = 0.700.

#MakeSethGriffithHappen
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 27, 2017, 10:42:05 AM
Who's this Findlay?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 27, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
#MakeSethGriffithHappen

I hope he's up to play ahead of Smith and not for another reason.

I am glad to see Kapanen get the call-up ahead of Griffith too.  Seriously.  Lots of great AHL scorers aren't NHL players.  Kapanen has spent a bunch of this year on the PK for the Marlies too so that addresses one of Babcock's desires from his 4th line RW. 
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 27, 2017, 10:54:52 AM
#MakeSethGriffithHappen

I hope he's up to play ahead of Smith and not for another reason.

I am glad to see Kapanen get the call-up ahead of Griffith too.  Seriously.  Lots of great AHL scorers aren't NHL players.  Kapanen has spent a bunch of this year on the PK for the Marlies too so that addresses one of Babcock's desires from his 4th line RW.

I'm perfectly okay with Kapanen getting the call ahead of Griffith. I think PK, as you mention, is one of the reasons, but it was always in their plans to bring him up this season if possible. His injury put a bit of a damper that plan initially, but I think we'll be seeing a much more assertive Kapanen this time around.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 27, 2017, 10:55:47 AM
Who's this Findlay?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130531

Solar Bears call up.

That's how deep our centre depth is outside the NHL.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 27, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
Kapanen has spent a bunch of this year on the PK for the Marlies too so that addresses one of Babcock's desires from his 4th line RW. 

I'd be somewhat impressed by Babcock if he actually played Kapanen on the PK. I just didn't get the sense that Babcock saw him as a penalty killer type in Kap's limited time with the Leafs last season. I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but given what's at stake right now I don't see it.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 27, 2017, 11:22:15 AM
Kapanen has spent a bunch of this year on the PK for the Marlies too so that addresses one of Babcock's desires from his 4th line RW. 

I'd be somewhat impressed by Babcock if he actually played Kapanen on the PK. I just didn't get the sense that Babcock saw him as a penalty killer type in Kap's limited time with the Leafs last season. I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but given what's at stake right now I don't see it.

Apparently Babcock and Lou were at the Marlies game yesterday.  Kapanen stood out all game, including on the PP and PK.  Kapanen has made huge strides defensively this year according to Keefe.  Fingers crossed Babcock does actually play him- ahead of Smith and on the PK.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: disco on March 27, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
The Kap! The rookie infusion continues. Some of the fruits of Phil.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on March 27, 2017, 11:44:57 AM
Kapanen has spent a bunch of this year on the PK for the Marlies too so that addresses one of Babcock's desires from his 4th line RW. 

I'd be somewhat impressed by Babcock if he actually played Kapanen on the PK. I just didn't get the sense that Babcock saw him as a penalty killer type in Kap's limited time with the Leafs last season. I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but given what's at stake right now I don't see it.

Apparently Babcock and Lou were at the Marlies game yesterday.  Kapanen stood out all game, including on the PP and PK.  Kapanen has made huge strides defensively this year according to Keefe.  Fingers crossed Babcock does actually play him- ahead of Smith and on the PK.

Other than convenient injuries to Leivo, Soshnikov, is there anything to read into Kapanen getting the call up with only 8 games left in the season? Or does his ELC no longer slide now that he has turned 20?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 27, 2017, 11:50:11 AM
Kapanen has spent a bunch of this year on the PK for the Marlies too so that addresses one of Babcock's desires from his 4th line RW. 

I'd be somewhat impressed by Babcock if he actually played Kapanen on the PK. I just didn't get the sense that Babcock saw him as a penalty killer type in Kap's limited time with the Leafs last season. I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but given what's at stake right now I don't see it.

Apparently Babcock and Lou were at the Marlies game yesterday.  Kapanen stood out all game, including on the PP and PK.  Kapanen has made huge strides defensively this year according to Keefe.  Fingers crossed Babcock does actually play him- ahead of Smith and on the PK.

Other than convenient injuries to Leivo, Soshnikov, is there anything to read into Kapanen getting the call up with only 8 games left in the season? Or does his ELC no longer slide now that he has turned 20?

ELC no longer slides as he's two years out from his draft year.  Unless I misunderstood the rules, its about the years from draft and age combined.  Ie, Dermott, Nielsen, and Timashov are all on the Marlies this year and have already turned 20- but they were born after September 15th so they were 2015 draftee's.  Cap Friendly shows them as Slide-Risk this season, while Kapanen isn't. 

(Note, if you were 19 and drafted in 2015, then you wouldn't slide this year.  Same with Adam Brooks next year, he won't slide at all despite being drafted last year.)
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on March 27, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
Who's this Findlay?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130531

Solar Bears call up.

That's how deep our centre depth is outside the NHL.

Huh...no kidding!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: disco on March 27, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: seahawk on April 16, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
AHL regular season ended last night. Marlies finish 2nd in the North Division and will face the Albany Devils in the 1st round.

North Division Semifinals – Series “D” (best-of-5)
N2-Toronto Marlies vs. N3-Albany Devils
Game 1 – Thu., Apr. 20 – Toronto at Albany, 7:00
Game 2 – Sat., Apr. 22 – Toronto at Albany, 5:00
Game 3 – Wed., Apr. 26 – Albany at Toronto, 7:00
*Game 4 – Fri., Apr. 28 – Albany at Toronto, 7:00
*Game 5 – Sat., Apr. 29 – Albany at Toronto, 7:00
*if necessary… All times Eastern
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on April 16, 2017, 11:12:07 AM
Wondering if Dermott will be called up to Leafs as I here he is most NHL ready?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 25, 2017, 06:01:24 PM
Kapanen loaned to the Marlies

They also signed the Wheat Kings' overaged goalie Jordan Papirny to an ATO.
Not sure what kind of action he'd see with the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Captain Canuck on April 25, 2017, 06:25:33 PM
Kapanen loaned to the Marlies

They also signed the Wheat Kings' overaged goalie Jordan Papirny to an ATO.
Not sure what kind of action he'd see with the Marlies.

I was wondering if any Leafs were going to be lent to the Marlies for their playoff run. Sounds like Kapanen was the only one who was both healthy and eligible. Hope he lights it up for the Baby Buds!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 26, 2017, 08:44:26 PM
Kapanen to Leipsic x2

2-2 After 2
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2017, 08:39:42 AM
Kapanen to Leipsic x2

2-2 After 2

Colin Greening scored less than a minute into overtime to give the Marlies a 2-1 series advantage. Highlights here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGhRKK6RCw[/youtube]

These were the Marlies' lines for anyone interested:

Rychel-O'Reilly-Griffith
Leipsic-Gauthier-Kapanen
Johnsson-Kalinin-Sislo
Timashov-Greening-Moore

Dermott-Valiev
Campbell-Holl
Nielsen-Oleksy

Kasimir Kaskisuo got the start for the Marlies. Sparks was hurt in game 2.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 27, 2017, 08:55:05 AM
These were the Marlies' lines for anyone interested:

Rychel-O'Reilly-Griffith
Leipsic-Gauthier-Kapanen
Johnsson-Kalinin-Sislo
Timashov-Greening-Moore

Aside from that woeful centre depth, that's the kind of attack balance I would like to see on the Leafs eventually.

Babcock prefers a Top-9/Bottom-3 in ice time spread, and a Scoring-6/Checking-6 in terms of line role. Defensively responsible wingers with scoring panache is where it's at if you have the right horses down the middle.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 27, 2017, 09:10:59 AM

I hope somehow that Leipsic and Kapanen are paired up on the big club next year. Ideally surrounding Nylander but I think that would work for Kadri too.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2017, 09:37:43 AM

I hope somehow that Leipsic and Kapanen are paired up on the big club next year. Ideally surrounding Nylander but I think that would work for Kadri too.

Those 2 with Nylander would be awesome. I think them with Kadri would make a good scoring line too but it obviously wouldn't be able to get used in a shutdown role like Kadri did this season. But I am starting to have some doubts about whether Bozak and/or JVR get traded this offseason or not. If they do stay, I still think that whole line needs to get broken up. Throw JVR with Matthews and Marner with Kadri and you can still have Leispic and Kapanen together with Bozak.

Either way, I agree with the premise that both of them should get a fair shot at a top-9 role next season. Just watching the highlights from that game and Kapanen looks like such a different player when he's got skill around him. Still can't believe he was never put on the powerplay up here.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: cabber24 on April 27, 2017, 10:04:16 AM
Any of the Dman on the Marlies expected to make a run at the Leafs roster next season? I have been oblivious to the Marlies this season.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Zee on April 27, 2017, 10:32:59 AM
Any of the Dman on the Marlies expected to make a run at the Leafs roster next season? I have been oblivious to the Marlies this season.

McKenzie has been talking about Nielsen and Dermott this season, I guess it depends on how the Mariles run + training camp goes for them.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 27, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
Dermott moves like an NHLer already, he has a bit of Gardiner about him in his own zone though.

If they are as committed to the plan as they say they are, I have a hard time understanding not moving JVR this summer. JVR with 50% retained could fetch a kings ransom from a contender looking to take another run.

2.2 million for 30/60 is unreal value.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on April 27, 2017, 12:43:39 PM
Kapanen to Leipsic x2

2-2 After 2

Colin Greening scored less than a minute into overtime to give the Marlies a 2-1 series advantage. Highlights here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGhRKK6RCw[/youtube]

These were the Marlies' lines for anyone interested:

Rychel-O'Reilly-Griffith
Leipsic-Gauthier-Kapanen
Johnsson-Kalinin-Sislo
Timashov-Greening-Moore

Dermott-Valiev
Campbell-Holl
Nielsen-Oleksy

Kasimir Kaskisuo got the start for the Marlies. Sparks was hurt in game 2.
Found it strange that Kaskisuo got the start in place of Bibeau (has he lost his mojor or something?).  I had read that Kaskisuo was gone to the Solar Bears as Massa was hurt in the line brawl in their playoff game. Also Kappi took two stupid penalties last night, really dumb ones that Babs would have made him sit for a while
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 27, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
Bibeau still has the ability to be a .940 goalie in the AHL for stretches, the problem with him seems to me to be that he uses micro adjustments and it means often times against quality opponents he isn't "set" for the shot against, when he concedes a couple he doesn't seem to have the best bounce back ability.

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 27, 2017, 01:33:44 PM
Bibeau still has the ability to be a .940 goalie in the AHL for stretches, the problem with him seems to me to be that he uses micro adjustments and it means often times against quality opponents he isn't "set" for the shot against, when he concedes a couple he doesn't seem to have the best bounce back ability.

He is also terrible on high danger scrambles in front (moreso than most).
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 28, 2017, 01:33:40 PM
Marlies have signed recently ousted London Knight J.J. Piccinich to a 2-year AHL contract. He was drafted by the Leafs in 2014 in the 4th Rd. and played on the Knights' energy line.

As a secondary scoring right winger in Juniors, JJ will have a tough time cracking the Leafs' lineup anytime soon, with the likes of Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Brown, Griffith, Bracco, Korostelev, Korshkov ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 28, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
Marlies have signed recently ousted London Knight J.J. Piccinich to a 2-year AHL contract. He was drafted by the Leafs in 2014 in the 4th Rd. and played on the Knights' energy line.

As a secondary scoring right winger in Juniors, JJ will have a tough time cracking the Leafs' lineup anytime soon, with the likes of Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Brown, Griffith, Bracco, Korostelev, Korshkov ahead of him.

Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 28, 2017, 03:28:40 PM
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 28, 2017, 03:33:18 PM
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

"No" would be quicker.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 28, 2017, 05:30:22 PM
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

"No" would be quicker.

That's rich. ;)
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 28, 2017, 05:41:53 PM
"No" would be quicker.

It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas. There's a method to my madness.

I don't think Griffith has really received a fair shake, coming from the Boston organization that seemed to embody everything Griffith wasn't.

There was one game last season where the Providence Bruins threw him in between Vatrano and Pastrnak to maintain team continuity as Pastrnak was only down on a conditioning stint, and they immediately exploded for an 8-1 win, Vatrano and Griffith both potting 5 pts each (3G/2A and 1/4GA respectively), while Pastrnak had 1G/2A. And it's not like Griffith was just riding shotgun to NHL firepower, as he was already at 34GP-13G-28A prior to that game. He's a very good skill complement.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on April 28, 2017, 11:02:15 PM
Piccinich had a pretty disappointing D+2 year.  3 points in 14 playoff games stands out.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 28, 2017, 11:52:13 PM
Marlies eliminated Albany in triple OT tonight.  Facing Syracuse in the next round.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on April 29, 2017, 01:17:41 AM
Albany is a POS organization.

Last year you may remember them for a hit on Andreas Johnsson.  This year they knock Kapanen out with an elbow to the head.

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 29, 2017, 11:02:05 AM
Marlies eliminated Albany in triple OT tonight.  Facing Syracuse in the next round.

Byron Froese's new team.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 29, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Frank E on April 29, 2017, 12:48:02 PM
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

Waived by Florida too.  So waived by Boston, Toronto, and Florida in 1 season.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 30, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.

We need a troupe name. Fans of Futility? Draft, Develop, Disappoint?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on April 30, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.
Sounds like Hillary and Trump
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on April 30, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Waived by Florida too.  So waived by Boston, Toronto, and Florida in 1 season.

Paragons of sound decision making, they all are.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on April 30, 2017, 09:41:55 PM
Waived by Florida too.  So waived by Boston, Toronto, and Florida in 1 season.

And claimed every single time he was on waivers. Every. Single. Time.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 01, 2017, 08:28:54 AM
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.

We need a troupe name. Fans of Futility? Draft, Develop, Disappoint?

26 Point Improvment or Mrogan Rielly's Ipmrov
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 01, 2017, 09:02:48 AM
Mrogan Rielly's Ipmrov

We have a winner!
(https://g.redditmedia.com/1i-SbHGQPb1t-K50BYkse-NiPVpSG4C-ChVJM4MeBjs.gif?w=320&s=ac5ade6493d81fa341f20a2dcd365f89)
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 01, 2017, 01:10:00 PM
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/04/29/hockey-in-may-a-big-help-to-marlie-newbies

Quote
SEASON SAVER

Veteran winger Rich Clune mentioned a couple of days ago how a series of mid-season meetings and player personnel moves changed direction when the Marlies were last in the North.

“I give (GM) Kyle Dubas a lot of credit,” Clune said. “He has a good feel of when to pick his spots and he hit the team with some truth in January, from the coaches down to the players. We turned this ship around and almost won the division.”

Holl called the January soul-searching “a come-to-Jesus moment” for the team. The Marlies then made the playoffs a sixth straight year and for the fifth time, are advancing beyond the first round.

“Development and winning go hand and hand here,” Clune said.

“It’s an environment where you don’t learn anything from losing. Sure you take lessons from some losses, but the ultimate goal is to win and encourage that culture. It’s an expectation when you sign now with the Leafs and the Marlies.”

Kyle Dubas, the William Nylander of the management team, snipes one home.

I dug through the Marlies schedule/results (http://marlies.ca/schedule/54/335) to see when this turnaround happened.

It looks like they had basically the lowest point of the season Jan 14, after losing Kapanen the night before thanks to Dotchin crunching him awkwardly into the boards behind the net, with the team mired in the midst of a 5-13-1 stretch since the start of December.

They really turned it around after that week off, going 26-10-2 since January 20 to close out the season.

What else happened (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=4025.msg292134#msg292134) to the team Jan 20?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 05, 2017, 07:19:53 PM
Jonsson has the Marlies up 1-0 early in game 1 of the second round.

Kaskisuo has been sensational, he's made two glove saves that have been absolute robbery.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 05, 2017, 07:20:11 PM
PM for link if you're interested.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 06, 2017, 11:12:11 AM
Froese how could you?! Dubas created you!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Deebo on May 06, 2017, 06:32:02 PM
The recently signed Carl Grundstrom is getting into the line up for the Marlies tonight.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 06, 2017, 07:35:10 PM
Andreas Jonsson with his second goal in as many games, Marlies trail 3-1.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 06, 2017, 08:50:38 PM
Jake Dotchin with another injury delivered, this time to Gauthier:

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on May 07, 2017, 09:21:29 AM
15 powerplays between the two teams include the full 5 minute penalty for that hit.  Playoff hockey or just bad AHL refereeing?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on May 07, 2017, 10:10:45 AM
Any idea how bad Freddie is? Where was he injured,head or lower body?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on May 07, 2017, 10:21:06 AM
Just read it is Freddie's left leg. Here ares some comments about Grudstroms first game: " Grundstrom made his North American professional debut, while veteran Rich Clune got his first playoff action. Grundstrom had a goal and an assist, doing all the hard work on O’Reilly’s goal.

“It was okay, I was a little rusty, I haven’t played in a couple of weeks,” said Grundstrom. “But I felt better as the game went on. I can play better.”
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 08, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
Jake Dotchin with another injury delivered, this time to Gauthier

Gauthier requires surgery for the leg injury sustained and will be out 6 months (i.e. missing Training Camp).

PPP article (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/5/8/15581448/toronto-maple-leafs-frederik-gauthier-injury-toronto-marlies-jake-dotchin-crunch-ahl-playoffs)
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 09, 2017, 12:25:13 PM
Dotchin, Breaker of Leafs, has been suspended 3 games for his late hit.

I like how the Marlies/Leafs responded to this situation.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 09, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Johnsson has his 4th and 5th to tie it at 2 after 2.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Deebo on May 09, 2017, 10:17:55 PM
Marlies score 3 goals in 33 seconds in the final 2 minutes of the game to win 5-3.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 09, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
Marlies score 3 goals in 33 seconds in the final 2 minutes of the game to win 5-3.

Woohoo!

Carl Grundstrom with the GWG. My boy Griffith wheels and deals.
www.twitter.com/TheAHL/status/862120570485223424
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: cabber24 on May 10, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Dotchin, Breaker of Leafs, has been suspended 3 games for his late hit.

I like how the Marlies/Leafs responded to this situation.
I seriously hope the Marlies/Leafs take some proactive steps towards Dotchin next time we face him.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 10, 2017, 09:37:15 PM
3-2 Marlies, series tied at 2.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on May 11, 2017, 10:46:27 AM
Dotchin, Breaker of Leafs, has been suspended 3 games for his late hit.

I like how the Marlies/Leafs responded to this situation.
I seriously hope the Marlies/Leafs take some proactive steps towards Dotchin next time we face him.

I actually wouldn't mind off the ice even.  Does anyone know where he spends his summers?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on May 11, 2017, 10:50:51 AM
They have been pretty impressive in the last two games.  Kudo's to Kapenan, Johnson, Kaskisuo and Grunstrom who looks like the eventual replacement for Komrade Komarov.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on May 11, 2017, 10:52:01 AM
I would even go a step further to project Kaskisuo as the back up to Freddie next year or at least the year after.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 11, 2017, 12:28:55 PM
I would even go a step further to project Kaskisuo as the back up to Freddie next year or at least the year after.

I think Kaskisuo has played himself into the Marlies starter role. Backup for Andersen doesn't play enough. Give that to a cheap UFA signing and try to trade one of Bibeau or Sparks.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on May 11, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Kasimir had an .899 SV% in the ECHL this year.  He had a .902 SV% in the AHL with the Marlies.  I'm not sure that his .902 SV% in the postseason is much of an indication of a future NHLer at this point.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 11, 2017, 12:29:59 PM
I seriously hope the Marlies/Leafs take some proactive steps towards Dotchin next time we face him.

I actually wouldn't mind off the ice even.  Does anyone know where he spends his summers?

Is this just Internet tough guy talk? Or are you guys advocating premeditated assault?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 11, 2017, 02:19:08 PM
I'm advocating that Lou stand out by his curb and glare at the house at random times.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on May 11, 2017, 02:50:40 PM
Mrs.Trump could vapourize him with her witch-model eyes
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 11, 2017, 06:38:44 PM
I seriously hope the Marlies/Leafs take some proactive steps towards Dotchin next time we face him.

I actually wouldn't mind off the ice even.  Does anyone know where he spends his summers?

Is this just Internet tough guy talk? Or are you guys advocating premeditated assault?

I'm absolutely not, but at this point isn't that exactly what Dotchin's "play" amounts to?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 11, 2017, 08:44:59 PM
at this point isn't that exactly what Dotchin's "play" amounts to?

I understand what you're saying; I would consider that a false equivalency though. Dotchin's a big body with good mobility, trained to play a game that encourages him to use his body to separate other players from the puck. His actions, though they have had some injurious results, have largely been within the confines of the game or within that error bar that questionable plays tend to fall under. He's encouraged to be greasy, but I don't really see him headhunting, or aiming for knee shots, or slewing feet. I don't like him or the way he plays, but that's what's encouraged in this sport that is inherently unsafe.

Advocating retaliation for past transgressions by way of threat of injury is a different matter in my books. I do get that others might not see it that way.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on May 12, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
I seriously hope the Marlies/Leafs take some proactive steps towards Dotchin next time we face him.

I actually wouldn't mind off the ice even.  Does anyone know where he spends his summers?

Is this just Internet tough guy talk? Or are you guys advocating premeditated assault?

I'm absolutely not, but at this point isn't that exactly what Dotchin's "play" amounts to?

I try not to allow others to determine my reactions but after 3 injuries caused by Dotchin going over the line I get my buttons pushed.

There is one area where a big body playing hard within the rules can see an opposing player injured.  I get that.  I have seen my youngest son's teams that over powered the opposition and I have seen him on teams that were simply over powered by the opposition. It was all within the rules.

I see that you feel that there wasn't 'headhunting' involved but I disagree.  Gauthier was having a very good game and was taken out by Dotchin so late that it was OFF CAMERA!  When Kapanen was playing so well that he was rumoured to be favoured to be called up Dotchin intentionally hit him in the knees behind the net.  For a smooth skating, big defenseman.....that is greasy.

Do you see Adam McQuaid, Erik Gudbranson or Josh Manson crossing the line that way?

Gauthier has worked so hard since drafted to get at the level he is at and some reports are that he might not get back to that level due to the severity of this injury.

Guess I still feel an intentional perpetrator probably shouldn't be held to the eye for an eye standard no matter what I spew on the internet.  I at least feel that Dotchin should be suspended until Gauthier is playing professional hockey again and should probably have his pay suspended until then as well.  It would make players with Dotchin potential and decent skill set to think twice before cheapshotting an opponent.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 12, 2017, 10:54:30 AM
I try not to allow others to determine my reactions but after 3 injuries caused by Dotchin going over the line I get my buttons pushed.

There is one area where a big body playing hard within the rules can see an opposing player injured.  I get that.  I have seen my youngest son's teams that over powered the opposition and I have seen him on teams that were simply over powered by the opposition. It was all within the rules.

I see that you feel that there wasn't 'headhunting' involved but I disagree.  Gauthier was having a very good game and was taken out by Dotchin so late that it was OFF CAMERA!  When Kapanen was playing so well that he was rumoured to be favoured to be called up Dotchin intentionally hit him in the knees behind the net.  For a smooth skating, big defenseman.....that is greasy.

Do you see Adam McQuaid, Erik Gudbranson or Josh Manson crossing the line that way?

Gauthier has worked so hard since drafted to get at the level he is at and some reports are that he might not get back to that level due to the severity of this injury.

Guess I still feel an intentional perpetrator probably shouldn't be held to the eye for an eye standard no matter what I spew on the internet.  I at least feel that Dotchin should be suspended until Gauthier is playing professional hockey again and should probably have his pay suspended until then as well.  It would make players with Dotchin potential and decent skill set to think twice before cheapshotting an opponent.

In no way would I condone any of Dotchin's injury causing hits as acceptable (except Kapanen's which was just an awkward collision), but they are natural in the course of the way the game is played. My point is that this is a fast game that allows, nay encourages, physical contact. Early, on time, late hits are going to happen. Limbs in awkward angles in collisions are going to happen.

To posit that Dotchin kept track of Marlie players' eligibility for call ups and deliberately targeted them is a stretch. To surmise that he pursued injuring them is a further stretch.

What we have here is an understandably intense reaction to perceived intentional damages. Do physical players try to hit skilled players on the other team to throw them off their game and nullify their skill? Yes. Do players intentionally try to injure other star players to take them out? I can't say for certain in Dotchin's case(s), but it has definitely happened in the past in other situations and sports where machismo and emotions run unchecked.

Does any of that justify the sense of 'justice' that Todd Bertuzzi was operating under when he chased Steve Moore around the ice to pay him back for accidentally concussing Naslund? Should we as fans go about town looking to exact vigilante 'justice' for this?

Am I just overreacting to off-the-cuff anonymous posturing on the internet?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
Am I just overreacting to off-the-cuff anonymous posturing on the internet?

Uh huh.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 12, 2017, 11:46:54 AM
Am I just overreacting to off-the-cuff anonymous posturing on the internet?

Uh huh.

Won't somebody please think of the children?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: cabber24 on May 12, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
I try not to allow others to determine my reactions but after 3 injuries caused by Dotchin going over the line I get my buttons pushed.

There is one area where a big body playing hard within the rules can see an opposing player injured.  I get that.  I have seen my youngest son's teams that over powered the opposition and I have seen him on teams that were simply over powered by the opposition. It was all within the rules.

I see that you feel that there wasn't 'headhunting' involved but I disagree.  Gauthier was having a very good game and was taken out by Dotchin so late that it was OFF CAMERA!  When Kapanen was playing so well that he was rumoured to be favoured to be called up Dotchin intentionally hit him in the knees behind the net.  For a smooth skating, big defenseman.....that is greasy.

Do you see Adam McQuaid, Erik Gudbranson or Josh Manson crossing the line that way?

Gauthier has worked so hard since drafted to get at the level he is at and some reports are that he might not get back to that level due to the severity of this injury.

Guess I still feel an intentional perpetrator probably shouldn't be held to the eye for an eye standard no matter what I spew on the internet.  I at least feel that Dotchin should be suspended until Gauthier is playing professional hockey again and should probably have his pay suspended until then as well.  It would make players with Dotchin potential and decent skill set to think twice before cheapshotting an opponent.

In no way would I condone any of Dotchin's injury causing hits as acceptable (except Kapanen's which was just an awkward collision), but they are natural in the course of the way the game is played. My point is that this is a fast game that allows, nay encourages, physical contact. Early, on time, late hits are going to happen. Limbs in awkward angles in collisions are going to happen.

To posit that Dotchin kept track of Marlie players' eligibility for call ups and deliberately targeted them is a stretch. To surmise that he pursued injuring them is a further stretch.

What we have here is an understandably intense reaction to perceived intentional damages. Do physical players try to hit skilled players on the other team to throw them off their game and nullify their skill? Yes. Do players intentionally try to injure other star players to take them out? I can't say for certain in Dotchin's case(s), but it has definitely happened in the past in other situations and sports where machismo and emotions run unchecked.

Does any of that justify the sense of 'justice' that Todd Bertuzzi was operating under when he chased Steve Moore around the ice to pay him back for accidentally concussing Naslund? Should we as fans go about town looking to exact vigilante 'justice' for this?

Am I just overreacting to off-the-cuff anonymous posturing on the internet?
At this point I would literally assign a player to teach him a "lesson". A capable fighter to chase him around the ice to coherence him into fight. A fighter that can easily beat him. Have him face up to his actions. If he chooses to embarrass himself like Claude Lemeuix he has to wear that. No cheap shots or Bertuzzi like actions.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 12, 2017, 02:37:41 PM
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Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on May 12, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
At this point I would literally assign a player to teach him a "lesson". A capable fighter to chase him around the ice to coherence him into fight. A fighter that can easily beat him. Have him face up to his actions. If he chooses to embarrass himself like Claude Lemeuix he has to wear that. No cheap shots or Bertuzzi like actions.

Or, you know, the Marlies could just continue to ice their best possible line-up, win the series, and keep playing while Dotchin has to watch from the stands. It would almost be like they focused on the important part of the game - winning - rather than individual vendettas and vengeance.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 12, 2017, 03:02:19 PM

Because remember when Darren McCarty beat up Claude Lemieux and after that Claude Lemieux completely changed as a player and never did anything dirty again?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on May 12, 2017, 03:14:14 PM

Because remember when Darren McCarty beat up Claude Lemieux and after that Claude Lemieux completely changed as a player and never did anything dirty again?

Thinking about that a bit.

I know on my son's provincial teams there was a player that was good enough to make the team but was an idiot on and off the ice.  It was like he had a disconnect between his brain and his emotions.  It was weird.  He would throw a late hit different times knowing the other team had a couple of guys that would pound him and even AFTER he was suspended he did it again.  I was flabbergasted.  He would do it and even be scared to go on the ice because he knew he was an idiot but then would do it again to a venerable player, etc.

That's why, although my heart prefers vigilante justice, in the post above I have considered for the 1st time that the offending player should be suspended at least for the length of the injury and in pro sports have their salary suspended for the same period.  That is on top of the current punishments handed out for head shots, spearing, etc without serious injury.  The only way for a suspended player to return early would be if the injured player (or guardian if the player is under age) applies for an exception or leaves hockey.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: cabber24 on May 15, 2017, 10:20:13 AM

Because remember when Darren McCarty beat up Claude Lemieux and after that Claude Lemieux completely changed as a player and never did anything dirty again?


Thinking about that a bit.

I know on my son's provincial teams there was a player that was good enough to make the team but was an idiot on and off the ice.  It was like he had a disconnect between his brain and his emotions.  It was weird.  He would throw a late hit different times knowing the other team had a couple of guys that would pound him and even AFTER he was suspended he did it again.  I was flabbergasted.  He would do it and even be scared to go on the ice because he knew he was an idiot but then would do it again to a venerable player, etc.

That's why, although my heart prefers vigilante justice, in the post above I have considered for the 1st time that the offending player should be suspended at least for the length of the injury and in pro sports have their salary suspended for the same period.  That is on top of the current punishments handed out for head shots, spearing, etc without serious injury.  The only way for a suspended player to return early would be if the injured player (or guardian if the player is under age) applies for an exception or leaves hockey.
We all ultimately want accountability which the NHL/AHL is clearly not willing to enforce. Common sense is not prevailing therefore I am suggesting the neanderthal approach since this seems to be the only available option.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on May 15, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
We all ultimately want accountability which the NHL is clearly not willing to enforce. Common sense is not prevailing therefore I am suggesting the neanderthal approach since this seems to be the only available option.

Except that we've seen that the neanderthal approach does not lead to any semblance of accountability. It may, in fact, lead to less.

Also, the NHL really has no say on how the AHL dishes out punishment.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: L K on May 15, 2017, 12:24:19 PM
This is pretty much the second year in a row where bad goaltending is killing the team. 
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 15, 2017, 12:37:58 PM
This is pretty much the second year in a row where bad goaltending is killing the team. 

Sparks' injury really sucked. I was never really a big believer, and I still doubt he ever really breaks into the NHL, but he was putting up a really strong season prior to that.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 15, 2017, 09:57:11 PM
Marlies force Game 7:

Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on May 17, 2017, 08:49:00 PM
Game 7, 3-3 tied going to the 3rd.  Marlies only 2 shots in the 2nd, scored on one of them.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Britishbulldog on May 17, 2017, 09:47:51 PM
Game 7, 3-3 tied going to the 3rd.  Marlies only 2 shots in the 2nd, scored on one of them.

Rats!  6-3 loss
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 17, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
Go Froese!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 18, 2017, 10:37:08 AM
That's disappointing. Kaskisuo finishes the playoffs with a .892 save percentage in 10 games. He also put up a .899 save percentage in 32 ECHL games this season. Orlando's other goalie, Ryan Massa, was at .912 in 41 games so it's not like it was a team issue. Despite his little hot streak when he was called up he's likely a nothing prospect.

I'd try to find a veteran AHL goalie to platoon with Sparks next season and cut bait with both Kaskisuo and Bibeau. Maybe take a chance on a NCAA or European goalie for the ECHL club.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: pmrules on May 18, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
That's disappointing. Kaskisuo finishes the playoffs with a .892 save percentage in 10 games. He also put up a .899 save percentage in 32 ECHL games this season. Orlando's other goalie, Ryan Massa, was at .912 in 41 games so it's not like it was a team issue. Despite his little hot streak when he was called up he's likely a nothing prospect.

I'd try to find a veteran AHL goalie to platoon with Sparks next season and cut bait with both Kaskisuo and Bibeau. Maybe take a chance on a NCAA or European goalie for the ECHL club.

Didn't watch much of the Marlies at all, but is Sparks a potential legit NHL'er?  A viable backup even?
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 18, 2017, 11:03:17 AM
Didn't watch much of the Marlies at all, but is Sparks a potential legit NHL'er?  A viable backup even?

He's got a 0.922 career save percentage in the AHL, which is pretty good but he's only averaged 24 games played in his 3 active seasons there. It's never really seemed like the Leafs organization was very high on him. Even this season I've said before that Bibeau held onto the starters job for way too long before Sparks was finally given it. He turns 24 next month and he hasn't actually been a starter for a full season in the AHL yet. Even if that's not entirely his fault it's not exactly a good sign.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: bustaheims on May 18, 2017, 11:17:29 AM
That's disappointing. Kaskisuo finishes the playoffs with a .892 save percentage in 10 games. He also put up a .899 save percentage in 32 ECHL games this season. Orlando's other goalie, Ryan Massa, was at .912 in 41 games so it's not like it was a team issue. Despite his little hot streak when he was called up he's likely a nothing prospect.

It's not great, but, you know, less fluid play in the minors and such, and the impact that sometimes has on goalie stats.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: Highlander on May 18, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
And I need a goalie whose name I can pronounce without difficulty. Sparks or Sparky works just fine!
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 18, 2017, 03:31:13 PM
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/865022380393066496

Gud pros. Gud human beings. Just bad at goaltending, that's all.
Title: Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
Post by: herman on May 19, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
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