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Title: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: disco on June 13, 2016, 12:17:05 AM
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Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Zee on June 13, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
He really should have gotten the Conn Smythe too.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2016, 08:41:48 AM
PHIL!
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2016, 08:46:35 AM
He really should have gotten the Conn Smythe too.

Yeah, I don't want to say that Crosby didn't deserve it but I feel like he won it for reasons that generally aren't given much consideration when it comes to the Conn Smythe. Because if they were then there's no way Justin Williams would have won it over Anze Kopitar last time LA won. So it just seems awful convenient that the voters changed their criteria when Phil was up for the award.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 13, 2016, 08:51:36 AM
Yeah, I don't want to say that Crosby didn't deserve it but I feel like he won it for reasons that generally aren't given much consideration generally when it comes to the Conn Smythe. Because if they were then there's no way Justin Williams would have won it over Anze Kopitar last time LA won. So it just seems awful convenient that the voters changed their criteria when Phil was up for the award.

Admittedly I don't know if the composition in voters is similar from year to year but even if it were I think the Williams decision was generally pretty terrible so I'd hate to think it would be used as a binding future precedent.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: bustaheims on June 13, 2016, 08:59:39 AM
Yeah, I don't want to say that Crosby didn't deserve it but I feel like he won it for reasons that generally aren't given much consideration generally when it comes to the Conn Smythe. Because if they were then there's no way Justin Williams would have won it over Anze Kopitar last time LA won. So it just seems awful convenient that the voters changed their criteria when Phil was up for the award.

I read somewhere that it was the first time in more than 30 years that a forward who didn't lead his team in playoff points won the award (though, clearly, whoever wrote that forgot about Williams beating Kopitar). Crosby definitely did more of the little things to help his team win, but, like you said, it does feel awfully convenient that the criteria changed this year.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2016, 09:03:56 AM
Apparently there isn't any footage of Phil and Reimer in the handshake line. What the hell TV producers?
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 13, 2016, 09:04:47 AM
I read somewhere that it was the first time in more than 30 years that a forward who didn't lead his team in playoff points won the award (though, clearly, whoever wrote that forgot about Williams beating Kopitar).

Just off the top of my head it's also not true of Nieuwendyk's win in '99 or Lemieux in '95.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Crucialness Key on June 13, 2016, 09:11:29 AM
He really should have gotten the Conn Smythe too.

Yeah, I don't want to say that Crosby didn't deserve it but I feel like he won it for reasons that generally aren't given much consideration when it comes to the Conn Smythe. Because if they were then there's no way Justin Williams would have won it over Anze Kopitar last time LA won. So it just seems awful convenient that the voters changed their criteria when Phil was up for the award.

To me it feels more like the criteria changed to benefit Crosby, not so much to hurt Phil.  If Crosby already had a Conn Smythe, I think Phil would have got it this year.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: jdh1 on June 13, 2016, 09:12:46 AM
Hooray for Phil Kessel....he must of read my posts because he did do a great job in the playoffs.I was very critical of him when he left the Leafs,but hats off to him right now.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: herman on June 13, 2016, 09:16:11 AM
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: bustaheims on June 13, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
Just off the top of my head it's also not true of Nieuwendyk's win in '99 or Lemieux in '95.

Yeah. Whoever posted that clearly didn't do their research.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Bullfrog on June 13, 2016, 09:32:08 AM
Happy for him; such a talented player.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 13, 2016, 09:33:07 AM
I think it's a really tough question all things considered. On the one hand, Kessel's higher goal/point totals in significantly less playing time is a pretty strong argument based on precedent.

On the other hand, I find it really hard to accept that if you took the names off of each player's stat line and presented it to someone who hadn't watched the games that 3 more points over 24 games told enough of a story to make a definitive statement. Almost all of the peripheral concepts(possession, defensive play, face-offs, positional importance and, ugh, leadership) favour Crosby and he did it while undeniably playing against tougher opposition. Do three points outweigh all that?

And then on the third hand, Kris Letang played almost 29 minutes a night on a defense that was lousy aside from him and put up points/did an incredible job keeping the other team in check. The Sharks averaged 23 shots a night in the finals.

I don't think any of the three are an easy or obvious choice. Ultimately I think what hurt Phil's case more than any sort of shifting criteria was just the fact that the final series was so low scoring. If the Penguins had won on the basis of their fire power it would be easier to argue for the highest scorer. But Kessel being held to one goal and four points in the finals and the general dominance of Pittsburgh really made a case for them winning on possession/defense and that wasn't his strongest suit.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
To me the true MVP of the Penguins playoffs was the entire HBK line. They finished 1-2-3 in 5-on-5 scoring, and in all situations they finished 1-3-5. Their 5-on-5 GF% was a combined 65% (Phil's personal one was 66.7%). And while yes Crosby was facing the top defensive pairing every night, they were still usually going up against the 2nd best pairings on playoff teams. So it's not like they were facing chump change every night. Those results, especially the GF%, are still incredibly impressive regardless of the situation. Crosby was actually outscored during 5-on-5 play 15 to 18.

Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 13, 2016, 09:54:07 AM
To me the true MVP of the Penguins playoffs was the entire HBK line. They finished 1-2-3 in 5-on-5 scoring, and in all situations they finished 1-3-5. Their 5-on-5 GF% was a combined 65% (Phil's personal one was 66.7%). And while yes Crosby was facing the top defensive pairing every night, they were still usually going up against the 2nd best pairings on playoff teams. So it's not like they were facing chump change every night. Those results, especially the GF%, are still incredibly impressive regardless of the situation. Crosby was actually outscored during 5-on-5 play 15 to 18.

Crosby going against tougher competition wasn't just limited to defensive pairings. Remember Couture complaining about Crosby on face-offs? He was typically going against the better forward lines too. Despite that he drove possession at a pretty outstanding rate.

Also, and I confess I'm asking this out of ignorance, but wouldn't Malkin have occasionally drawn the #2 pairing?
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2016, 10:03:45 AM
Crosby going against tougher competition wasn't just limited to defensive pairings. Remember Couture complaining about Crosby on face-offs? He was typically going against the better forward lines too. Despite that he drove possession at a pretty outstanding rate.

Also, and I confess I'm asking this out of ignorance, but wouldn't Malkin have occasionally drawn the #2 pairing?

In the Sharks series Crosby was matched up against Vlasic-Braun on D and mostly against the Pavelski-Thornton-x line at forward. Kessel was matched up against Burns-Martin on D and mostly against the Marleau-Couture-X line at forward. That's a slight edge to Crosby in terms of difficulty but not by much I don't think.

Malkin played primarily against the Dillon-Polak pairing (which was absolutely awful all series) and a wide array of forwards.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 13, 2016, 10:10:43 AM
In the Sharks series Crosby was matched up against Vlasic-Braun on D and mostly against the Pavelski-Thornton-x line at forward. Kessel was matched up against Burns-Martin on D and mostly against the Marleau-Couture-X line at forward. That's a slight edge to Crosby in terms of difficulty but not by much I don't think.

Malkin played primarily against the Dillon-Polak pairing (which was absolutely awful all series) and a wide array of forwards.

I was more talking about the playoffs in general but if we're just talking about the San Jose series I can't help but note that Crosby scored as much as Kessel in the series while Couture himself outscored Thornton and Pavelski combined.

So if the match-ups were Crosby-Thornton's line and Kessel-Pavelski's line it seems pretty clear Crosby had better results.

I realize that's a pretty simplistic reading of it but I'm not so much trying to make a pro-Crosby case as I am saying it's not a clear cut choice.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2016, 11:00:35 AM
I was more talking about the playoffs in general but if we're just talking about the San Jose series I can't help but note that Crosby scored as much as Kessel in the series while Couture himself outscored Thornton and Pavelski combined.

So if the match-ups were Crosby-Thornton's line and Kessel-Pavelski's line it seems pretty clear Crosby had better results.

I realize that's a pretty simplistic reading of it but I'm not so much trying to make a pro-Crosby case as I am saying it's not a clear cut choice.

In all-situations Kessel was on the ice for just 6 goals for and 2 goals against during the series. Crosby was 7 goals for, 5 goals against. And at 5-on-5 it was 4-2 for Kessel, 4-4 for Crosby. So Couture outscoring Thornton and Pavelski didn't happen on Phil's watch.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Highlander on June 13, 2016, 01:53:38 PM
Congratulations Phil, I am so happy for you, just sorry it didnt come together for you as a Leaf
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 13, 2016, 02:13:19 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-see-phil-kessel-thrilled-lift-stanley-cup/


That was a beaut!  :)  ;D
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 13, 2016, 02:25:00 PM
I read somewhere that it was the first time in more than 30 years that a forward who didn't lead his team in playoff points won the award (though, clearly, whoever wrote that forgot about Williams beating Kopitar).

Just off the top of my head it's also not true of Nieuwendyk's win in '99 or Lemieux in '95.

You have those numbers just casually sitting there?

Quite the recall.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: TBLeafer on June 13, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
Congrats.  Still happy the Leafs are moving the rebuild forward without Phil and Dion.

We are a team of the future, not a team of the now, unlike what Blowhard Burke wanted to have us first believe.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: disco on June 13, 2016, 08:56:05 PM
Congrats.  Still happy the Leafs are moving the rebuild forward without Phil and Dion.

We are a team of the future, not a team of the now, unlike what Blowhard Burke wanted to have us first believe.

... agreed TBLeafer. Happy for Phil, great guy. We're at the start of a rebuild here, he's a complimentary player on a good team.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: TBLeafer on June 14, 2016, 03:51:44 PM
Sports Pickle put out a pretty good hoax on Kessel's behalf:

Phil Kessel places full-page ad in Toronto Star thanking Toronto fans for driving him out of town

https://medium.com/sportspickle/phil-kessel-places-full-page-ad-in-toronto-star-thanking-toronto-fans-for-driving-him-out-of-town-74b0021f092#.di8kspzf9 (https://medium.com/sportspickle/phil-kessel-places-full-page-ad-in-toronto-star-thanking-toronto-fans-for-driving-him-out-of-town-74b0021f092#.di8kspzf9)



(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*MsEtQTtGXByF0LKKPG2igQ.jpeg)
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: mr grieves on June 14, 2016, 11:48:50 PM
I was more talking about the playoffs in general but if we're just talking about the San Jose series I can't help but note that Crosby scored as much as Kessel in the series while Couture himself outscored Thornton and Pavelski combined.

So if the match-ups were Crosby-Thornton's line and Kessel-Pavelski's line it seems pretty clear Crosby had better results.

I realize that's a pretty simplistic reading of it but I'm not so much trying to make a pro-Crosby case as I am saying it's not a clear cut choice.

In all-situations Kessel was on the ice for just 6 goals for and 2 goals against during the series. Crosby was 7 goals for, 5 goals against. And at 5-on-5 it was 4-2 for Kessel, 4-4 for Crosby. So Couture outscoring Thornton and Pavelski didn't happen on Phil's watch.

Yeah, from what I saw, Kessel was outplaying Sid for most of the playoffs. But the former went into the finals as a Conn Smythe favorite on the strength of his scoring and cooled off as the latter's key, small plays started really standing out in the tighter games. Maybe if Phil had broken through during game 5 (the one Jones stole?) he'd have clinched it. But he didn't.

There are 2 ways I can see going with Sid. First, the Pens strength throughout the playoffs was their depth and system, so giving it to the team's leader makes plenty of sense. Second, Sid hasn't got one of these, and I'm sure the committee members were aware that by giving it to him, they'd be cementing Sid's place as the star of his generation. Kessel's 3 more points aren't going to flip that...
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 15, 2016, 08:35:21 AM
Some guy named Phil Kessel is going to be on FAN590 at 8:40am.  Supposedly the only Toronto interview he's doing.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2016, 09:07:46 AM
Some guy named Phil Kessel is going to be on FAN590 at 8:40am.  Supposedly the only Toronto interview he's doing.

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Kristina Rutherford ‏@KrRutherford
Phil Kessel says there's a "good chance" he'll bring the Cup to Toronto. Mayhem.

YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: herman on June 15, 2016, 09:15:50 AM
Some guy named Phil Kessel is going to be on FAN590 at 8:40am.  Supposedly the only Toronto interview he's doing.

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Kristina Rutherford ‏@KrRutherford
Phil Kessel says there's a "good chance" he'll bring the Cup to Toronto. Mayhem.

YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS

Trollolololol. Gotta give props to the hot dog guy.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2016, 11:43:07 AM
Meanwhile, at the Penguins Cup parade (via @mariamac58):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClAKBSMW0AAQOJ6.jpg)
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Crake on June 15, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
Who was the gm that basically laughed at the pens for trading for Kessel when they could just sign somebody like Semin instead?
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2016, 12:54:46 PM
Who was the gm that basically laughed at the pens for trading for Kessel when they could just sign somebody like Semin instead?

That was Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: bustaheims on June 15, 2016, 01:04:14 PM
That was Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos.

You'd think he'd know better after his team's experience with Semin. I mean, obviously his former GM didn't want to make that mistake a second time.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2016, 01:06:55 PM
You'd think he'd know better after his team's experience with Semin. I mean, obviously his former GM didn't want to make that mistake a second time.

I don't think that quote was really meant to be flattering for Semin.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: bustaheims on June 15, 2016, 01:09:35 PM
You'd think he'd know better after his team's experience with Semin. I mean, obviously his former GM didn't want to make that mistake a second time.

I don't think that quote was really meant to be flattering for Semin.

Oh, I'm sure. I'm basically just saying Karmanos is an idiot.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2016, 01:11:02 PM

Don't mind me, just choppin' some onions over here.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Crake on June 15, 2016, 01:18:10 PM
Who was the gm that basically laughed at the pens for trading for Kessel when they could just sign somebody like Semin instead?

That was Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos.
Thanks. It was a dumb comment then and looks far worse now.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: disco on June 15, 2016, 02:14:48 PM
AWESOME! ... and keep that cancer off the US Olympic team lol


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-see-hagelin-bonino-dedicate-parade-speech-legend-kessel/
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Al14 on June 15, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
Congratulations Phil!

Everything obviously worked out better for you in Pittsburgh.  Right role, right team, right timing!
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 16, 2016, 08:22:49 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/ballots-show-crosby-edged-kessel-in-tight-conn-smythe-vote-1.508739

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All 18 voters disclosed their ballots to TSN.ca on the condition of anonymity.

Crosby captured his first Conn Smythe with nine first-place votes. Kessel finished just behind Crosby with seven first-place votes. Kris Letang earned the other two first-place votes.

(Full disclosure: I was one of the 18 voters and my ballot was 1. Kessel, 2. Martin Jones, and 3. Crosby.)

Kessel finished with more second-place votes (eight) than Crosby (five). The NHL uses a 5-3-1 format to calculate the votes: five points for first, three points for second, one point for third.

The final point total based on that system and the information obtained by tsn.ca: Crosby 63, Kessel 60.

Crosby edged Phil out by basically a single vote.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: TBLeafer on June 16, 2016, 09:31:59 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/ballots-show-crosby-edged-kessel-in-tight-conn-smythe-vote-1.508739

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All 18 voters disclosed their ballots to TSN.ca on the condition of anonymity.

Crosby captured his first Conn Smythe with nine first-place votes. Kessel finished just behind Crosby with seven first-place votes. Kris Letang earned the other two first-place votes.

(Full disclosure: I was one of the 18 voters and my ballot was 1. Kessel, 2. Martin Jones, and 3. Crosby.)

Kessel finished with more second-place votes (eight) than Crosby (five). The NHL uses a 5-3-1 format to calculate the votes: five points for first, three points for second, one point for third.

The final point total based on that system and the information obtained by tsn.ca: Crosby 63, Kessel 60.

Crosby edged Phil out by basically a single vote.

Good.  Crosby still deserves it more.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: TBLeafer on June 16, 2016, 12:22:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClAqUXgWIAElMBx.jpg:large)
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 30, 2016, 11:33:41 AM
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Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris
Phil Kessel has officially chosen to host his day with the Stanley Cup in Toronto next month. The city remains his second home.

PHIL!
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 11:35:46 AM
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Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris
Phil Kessel has officially chosen to host his day with the Stanley Cup in Toronto next month. The city remains his second home.

PHIL!

Anyone else, I'd say that was kind of a low blow. As is, I hope Phil has himself a very good time with it.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: disco on June 30, 2016, 11:47:06 PM
Yeah, doesn't seem to be a rub it in move. It's just Phil, a simple dude. He's happy he won, wants to share it with friends. And he still partially lives here. Happy for him.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Highlander on July 03, 2016, 10:42:36 AM
Well it one way to get the Cup into town. LOL
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Bullfrog on July 10, 2016, 02:57:41 PM
Kessel has Hand Surgery (https://www.nhl.com/news/phil-kessel-has-hand-surgery/c-281148308)

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Pittsburgh Penguins forward Phil Kessel had surgery on his hand Friday and expects to be ready for training camp in September, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Saturday.

"It was something he dealt with all season," Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford told the newspaper. "It bothered him. He took care of it. He's not expect[ed] to miss any time."
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: TBLeafer on July 18, 2016, 01:28:31 PM
Kessel shares his Stanley Cup day privately in Toronto with friends.

Nor fanfare.  Well maybe a little...


Jon@JSCham85
Hey @simmonssteve, gonna man up and cover the great Phil Kessel's day with the Stanley Cup or are you still bitter?
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 18, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
A bunch of reports on social media say that he brought the Cup to the Sick Kids hospital. Awesome.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 18, 2016, 03:46:07 PM
@SickKidsNews confirms with these pics:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnq5bqsXYAUWra_.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnq5bptWgAAg97n.jpg)

www.twitter.com/SickKidsNews/status/755119776184274944

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/7/18/phil-kessel-spends-day-with-cup-in-toronto-heads-to-sick-kids
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: disco on July 18, 2016, 03:52:45 PM
T.O. Kessel-Run: SickKids Edition!
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: L K on July 18, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
A bunch of reports on social media say that he brought the Cup to the Sick Kids hospital. Awesome.

The trade had to happen.  The scenario that led up to the trade (allowing the media to act like wild ferrets against Kessel and having a coach who did dick all to protect the players from it) did not.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 18, 2016, 03:59:22 PM
The trade had to happen.  The scenario that led up to the trade (allowing the media to act like wild ferrets against Kessel and having a coach who did dick all to protect the players from it) did not.

I keep leaning on the idea that without that trade we don't get Matthews... but god damn how amazing would it be right now if we had both (and Nylander and Marner).
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Bullfrog on July 18, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
A bunch of reports on social media say that he brought the Cup to the Sick Kids hospital. Awesome.

Fantastic. I love Kessel.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Tigger on July 18, 2016, 06:47:48 PM
That's great, good for Phil.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 18, 2016, 07:10:04 PM
What a sweet thing to do.  And to top it all off in Toronto,  superb!

Phil (the incredible).  A nod to you, Mr. Kessel.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: PrestigeWorldwide on July 19, 2016, 02:53:38 AM
I love that Phil took it to Sick Kids, and did so without announcing it well beforehand.  What a champ.  He really wasn't a good fit with the Leafs, given our situation at the time, but I was always a fan of his.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Potvin29 on July 19, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
I've always thought he comes off as just a genuinely nice guy (who tries hard, loves the game) and his teammates always seem to back that up so not entirely surprised he did that.  Just seems like a good dude.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 19, 2016, 01:58:25 PM
A little more of Phil at Sick Kids:

[youtube]kEUb1zYl6hY[/youtube]
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Highlander on July 19, 2016, 08:47:44 PM
I love Phil as well, although at one point I loved my ex wife but she had to go!!! ;)
Good work with the kidz Phil, you are one class act.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: disco on July 21, 2016, 04:59:34 PM
Nana Kessel!
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Tigger on July 21, 2016, 05:02:30 PM
Sweet.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Wendel's Fist on July 21, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
I don't think I've rooted more for an ex-Leaf to win anything more than Kessel winning the cup. I can't believe we paid him to do that though.

Thank GOD Lou's here now.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Highlander on July 21, 2016, 06:52:32 PM
now its time for Austin, Willy and Mitch's Mom's to drink some champagne from that silver chalice.
I am happy for Phil, perhaps he comes back in a few, we are already paying his salary to some extent.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 29, 2016, 10:16:57 AM
Mirtle with a nice article on why Phil brought the Cup back to Toronto: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/low-key-stanley-cup-party-kessels-way-of-saying-thanks/article31183543/

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According to those who attended, Kessel wanted his Stanley Cup party to be a thank you to the other friends he made in Toronto, many of them from the hospitality industry. He was a regular at some of the higher-end restaurants in the downtown, and it was there that he first met many close friends during his six years playing for the Leafs.

A lot of people were there really just to hang out with him and catch up, and have that excitement again, said Steven Salm, president of Chase Hospitality Group, which hosted Kessels Stanley Cup lunch at The Chase restaurant on the afternoon of July 18 and then catered the party at Kimels home that night. It was something that was so missed in Toronto. We always served as a great kind of creative outlet for him: A place to hang out and enjoy great atmosphere and good food. We got to know his dining habits and favourite likes and dislikes.

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Phils not the type of person to bring the Cup to Toronto out of spite, said Wojtek Wolski, a former NHLer who became close with Kessel during summer workouts in Toronto and who was at the Cup party. He brought it because his friends live here. His family came to Toronto to celebrate. It made a lot of sense.

He did this for the people who were good to him while he was here, said another friend, who asked not to be named. He likes how regular Joes treated him around here. Hes a people guy.

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Those who attended Kessels Cup party dont expect it will be the last they see of him in Toronto. While he grew up in Wisconsin and typically summers in Florida, he has talked a lot about buying a home and settling in the city, when the time comes.

Also, here's Steve Dangle asking Sidney Crosby a very important question:


www.twitter.com/Steve_Dangle/status/758353225833598977
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Post by: Nik the Trik on July 29, 2016, 10:31:05 AM
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According to those who attended, Kessel wanted his Stanley Cup party to be a thank you to the other friends he made in Toronto, many of them from the hospitality industry. He was a regular at some of the higher-end restaurants in the downtown, and it was there that he first met many close friends during his six years playing for the Leafs.

"See!"

- Steve Simmons

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Phils not the type of person to bring the Cup to Toronto out of spite,

You know, in some ways Phil and I are very different people.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 29, 2016, 10:46:24 AM
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Phils not the type of person to bring the Cup to Toronto out of spite,

You know, in some ways Phil and I are very different people.

I'm genuinely having a hard time deciding if I like Phil more or less because of that quote.
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Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 29, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
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According to those who attended, Kessel wanted his Stanley Cup party to be a thank you to the other friends he made in Toronto, many of them from the hospitality industry. He was a regular at some of the higher-end restaurants in the downtown, and it was there that he first met many close friends during his six years playing for the Leafs.

"See!"

- Steve Simmons

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Phils not the type of person to bring the Cup to Toronto out of spite,

You know, in some ways Phil and I are very different people.

As in one scores thirty goals a season on a regular basis in the NHL and the other doesn't?
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Post by: Nik the Trik on July 29, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
As in one scores thirty goals a season on a regular basis in the NHL and the other doesn't?

If you want to call that a difference, sure.
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 29, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
If Kessel decides to settle in Toronto one day, well he will be most welcome.

This shouldn't be too surprising, since Toronto has been a favourite of many well-known people from both the Hollywood crowd and beyond.  Not that many, if any have or live here -- the late Prince was one -- but it has always been (more so at one time) a favourite city for many.

At least, we finally have a Stanley Cup winner who calls Toronto 'home'.

And no, I highly doubt Phil did all of this to spite any of us by bringing the Cup here.  (Besides, even if he did, no apologies to the haters)!
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Post by: Nik the Trik on July 29, 2016, 02:14:48 PM

Lots of Stanley Cup winners live in Toronto.
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Post by: herman on August 17, 2016, 11:41:24 AM
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Peter Holland was on @Cabbie's podcast the other day... Here's what he had to say about Phil Kessel's physique.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqD8gd5WIAU1tQo.jpg:large)

Holland on Kessel: "Maybe he's working out he just doesn't tell anybody."

Cabbie on Kessel "Lupul once told me he hates drinking water. He just drinks DietCoke or Coke."

Holland "Yeah, DietCoke I think. Loves it."
Platinum Seat Ghosts (@3rdPeriodSuits) August 17, 2016

Phil! Leg day, e'ryday.
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Post by: disco on September 21, 2016, 02:23:13 PM

OHHHHHHHHHH SNAP!
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Post by: leafsjunkie on September 21, 2016, 03:15:31 PM
Savage. I love it.
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Post by: herman on September 23, 2016, 12:29:28 PM
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2016/09/22/trainer-gary-roberts-pushes-phil-kessel-to-walk-the-talk-feschuk.html

It's Feschuk, so if so inclined, just ignore the writing and read the quotes. Gary Roberts talks about Phil Kessel, training him, and what a gifted creature of power and grace he is.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: herman on October 03, 2016, 05:10:53 PM
We should love Kessel (even) more.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jim-rutherford-what-you-dont-know-about-being-a-gm/

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In July, when it became clear that we had a shot at bringing in Phil Kessel, we had to make a big decision. Acquiring Kessel would cost us not only young talent and draft picks, but it would also come with a significant salary-cap hit. Theres always a cost. In this case, we had to be sure that Phil would fit into our room, and into our system.

In times like that, you have to rely on your box. Inside your box is all the stuff you cant look up on the Internet. During your travels in this game, from city to city, hotel to hotel, you talk to a lot of people. You hear things. You learn all kinds of things about players. And you file it all away in your box. Over my 30 years as a GM, my box has gotten pretty full.

It was always my understanding from my intel around the league that Phil was a good guy. If I have one defining management philosophy, its that I really believe in second chances. If a player is a good guy, and hes got talent, and you give him a second chance, hell give you everything hes got.

The Kessel decision ultimately came down to a simple fact about the NHL that never seems to change: Its hard to score goals in this league. Its just hard. But Phil was a guy who had scored them year after year. He had been in a fishbowl in Toronto and he still scored 30 every year. I felt if we gave him a second chance, hed really thrive in Pittsburgh.

So Phil came into our locker room that fall and, after watching him for a few weeks, I filed a new note into my box:

Phil Kessel isnt a good guy, after all. Hes a great guy.
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Post by: Nik the Trik on October 03, 2016, 06:06:10 PM

I am pro-Phil and wish him well but Jim Rutherford got a first-rate NHL wing for an incredible price so there's a limit to the extent that I care that he thinks Kessel is a swell fella to boot.

There's nothing to regret about the deal from the Leafs end but I don't think any of us should be happy about those circumstances either. Rutherford seems to have been willing to let the deal die if the Leafs wouldn't eat salary so it's not exactly an act of genius on his part either.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 03, 2016, 08:15:58 PM
That article had some great stuff about Phil and all but everybody needs to read it for the story about Trevor Daley and the promise his mom made him.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2016, 10:39:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuF3RyiWAAAQXPR.jpg)

I love the guy, but I don't think anybody would ever guess that Phil's one of the most gifted hockey players on the planet just by looking at him.

Also, you're seeing the President get your suit tailored man.
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Post by: Nik the Trik on October 06, 2016, 10:45:02 AM
Also, you're seeing the President get your suit tailored man.

I was just coming here to post the same thing. Rumpled collar, poorly fitting suit...never change Phil.
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Post by: herman on October 06, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
He looks like the unassuming Plot-twist Double Agent from Act 1 in a spy movie.
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Post by: mr grieves on October 06, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
I know there's almost no chance Obama actually wrote that line but I'd really like to pretend that they're best friends and hang out on a regular basis.
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Post by: herman on October 06, 2016, 02:37:00 PM

Adding Crosby to the list of superstars with near/eidetic memories. (LeBron James, Steven Stamkos, Joe Quenneville).
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Post by: herman on October 06, 2016, 02:45:03 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZRgRDfJ_WI[/youtube]
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Post by: Nik the Trik on October 10, 2016, 11:40:34 PM


On his feed there's also a shot of the front of the ring. They're quite spiffy.
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Post by: disco on October 11, 2016, 12:10:17 AM

(https://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/phil.jpg)
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 18, 2016, 10:59:53 AM

The Year of Kessel remains hilariously awkward:

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Post by: herman on October 19, 2016, 10:38:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HuiOK4n.gif)
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 07, 2016, 02:56:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwruL5qUkAA3s05.jpg)

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/79/79af6b3bc5b23131ace1d835c402fa444ebd7cfc574c6b040665280337e74d7e.jpg)
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Post by: Nik the Trik on November 07, 2016, 11:26:27 PM

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Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 08, 2016, 11:03:43 AM
www.twitter.com/NHL/status/796019348443832320

Whichever intern is running the NHL's twitter account right now needs a promotion.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Arn on June 15, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
I love Phil Kessel

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Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 06:01:52 PM
I love Phil too

www.twitter.com/mirtle/status/897204345950883841
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: herman on August 15, 2017, 01:05:49 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-simmons-thinks-phil-kessel-petty-stanley-cup-hot-dog-photo-160135959.html

Some solid butthurt right here.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 15, 2017, 01:15:21 PM

I have no problem with beating up on Simmons for that column but I do kind of reject the idea that columns like it had any real effect on the Leafs attempt to trade Kessel or what they got in return. Let's all remember that even the Penguins were willing to walk away from the deal without salary relief and I don't think that's because of anything written by the Toronto press.

The Leafs traded Kessel because they finally knew they needed to rebuild. The price they got for him was determined in large part by his own limitations as a player(and specifically his bad final year with the team). He's been good in Pittsburgh but he's more or less vindicated anyone who said that his deal with the Leafs didn't make sense for the Leafs.
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Post by: cabber24 on August 15, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-simmons-thinks-phil-kessel-petty-stanley-cup-hot-dog-photo-160135959.html

Some solid butthurt right here.
F YOU Steve Simmons! Own it bud.
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Post by: Bill_Berg on August 15, 2017, 03:24:53 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-simmons-thinks-phil-kessel-petty-stanley-cup-hot-dog-photo-160135959.html

Some solid butthurt right here.
F YOU Steve Simmons! Own it bud.

Yeah, I really don't like that guy either. Terrible.

I agree with Nik too, he, much like most sports writers, have little to no influence on Team decisions. Maybe there is a marginal impact to the psyches of management if much of the media in town is down on a guy. But there would have to be a host of other reasons as well.
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Post by: AvroArrow on August 15, 2017, 03:32:54 PM
Atta boy Phil! Enjoy it!
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Post by: cabber24 on August 15, 2017, 03:35:41 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-simmons-thinks-phil-kessel-petty-stanley-cup-hot-dog-photo-160135959.html

Some solid butthurt right here.
F YOU Steve Simmons! Own it bud.

Yeah, I really don't like that guy either. Terrible.

I agree with Nik too, he, much like most sports writers, have little to no influence on Team decisions. Maybe there is a marginal impact to the psyches of management if much of the media in town is down on a guy. But there would have to be a host of other reasons as well.
I am just glad he's getting called out for being a douche bag. Low brow cheap shots at someone on their way out are not necessary.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 10, 2017, 03:30:44 PM

Ah, Phil. You're better than that.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2017, 04:23:47 PM
Oh god that was painful to watch. And it was probably the "best-case scenario" for how it went down.
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: herman on November 05, 2017, 07:49:47 AM
Ryan Reaves did a post-game interview:
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Post by: herman on December 12, 2017, 09:21:14 AM
I think about Phil Kessel a lot

You know what's not fair? Phil Kessel's shot.
https://theathletic.com/178584/2017/12/08/phil-kessels-shot-is-as-terrifying-as-ever/

On top of all that in the article, he apparently switches sticks 5-10 times a game, each with different configurations (blade lie, kick points, flex, etc.), so even if a goalie gets squared to Phil, he has no idea when or where the release will be. His scoring posture is also usually counter to what his stick is doing, and Phil still knows exactly where the puck will go.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-erik-karlsson-trade-rumours-ottawa-senators/
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11. The Athletics Josh Yohe had an interesting story from Matt Murray about Phil Kessel. Murray said Kessel uses several different sticks per game, featuring different stiffness and specifications. I had a chance to ask Kessel about it when they practised in Toronto. He says what he adjusts is the height of the stick; hes finicky about how long or short it is and can feel the slightest difference in his ability to control the puck.

It was a fascinating conversation, very similar to stories about Ichiro Suzuki and his bats. How many sticks do you use during the season? Maybe 200, he answered. Word is that, while in Toronto, Kessel went through 240 in one season and only Dion Phaneuf was anywhere close. Listening to players talk about their craft or their tools is really something.
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Post by: Nik the Trik on December 19, 2017, 03:03:52 PM

Phil Kessel. Nice guy, tries hard, loves the game.

https://deadspin.com/phil-kessel-makes-penguins-fan-cry-1821430985 (https://deadspin.com/phil-kessel-makes-penguins-fan-cry-1821430985)
Title: Re: PHIL KESSEL WINS STANLEY CUP
Post by: herman on February 01, 2018, 01:33:53 PM

He is so cool.
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Post by: herman on February 06, 2018, 01:55:58 PM
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Post by: cabber24 on February 06, 2018, 02:09:21 PM

He is so cool.
Looks like Beetlejuice.
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Post by: disco on February 19, 2018, 05:46:38 AM
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Post by: herman on March 07, 2018, 03:15:11 PM
This is very important information.

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Post by: L K on March 07, 2018, 04:31:04 PM
It's nice to hear from the more talented but second best looking Kessel on that front.

Also Phil Kessel since leaving Toronto:  76G 129A 205P  on top of his 18G 27A 45P in the playoffs

I know it would have changed how we drafted but imagine Phil playing with Matthews or Nylander
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Post by: herman on March 14, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
I think Phil went full Beetlejuice, guys.
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Post by: Highlander on March 16, 2018, 08:59:24 PM

He is so cool.
Looks like Beetlejuice.
I think Phil should crew on the Nostromo. Good Alien bait. At least they might throw up a full ball. ::)
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Post by: AvroArrow on September 16, 2018, 06:54:36 PM
Anyone else not realize Kessel put up 92 points last year?
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Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 16, 2018, 08:26:01 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/phil-kessel-pittsburgh-penguins-nhl-100-profile/

Nice article on him.