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Title: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on September 25, 2015, 09:20:47 AM
Since real games have begun for many of the Leafs' prospects, seems about time we had a thread for the upcoming season.

EDIT: See CarltonTheBear's post with a link to the assist.

Timashov had a goal and 2 assists (1st star) and Dzierkals also scored for Quebec and had an assist (2nd star).
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2015, 10:30:12 AM
Just finished putting together some gifs from that game. It's something I hope to do throughout the season, especially with the prospects action since it's not something that's really out there anywhere else.

Here's Dzierkals' (#10) goal and assist, worth noting that this was his first ever game in the Q as well:

http://gfycat.com/PoorOpulentIcelandicsheepdog

http://gfycat.com/FortunateBabyishBongo
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2015, 10:32:11 AM
And here's Timashov's (#88) incredible assist, and his goal as well:

(http://giant.gfycat.com/HarmoniousSlowButterfly.gif)
http://gfycat.com/HarmoniousSlowButterfly

http://gfycat.com/ComplicatedTenseHypacrosaurus
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2015, 10:34:24 AM
I added direct links as well as the gifs were coming out a little sluggish on the boards, but they run fine from the actual source. Not sure if that's just my iffy internet speed at work or not.

edit: I think I'm going to have to compress them even more than I did, lesson learned! I just removed the actual gifs and left the links, view them from there if you'd like!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2015, 10:53:23 AM
Much appreciated, Potvin29 and Carlton.

Timashov definitely looks like a huge steal @ Rd 5.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on September 25, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
Much appreciated, Potvin29 and Carlton.

Timashov definitely looks like a huge steal @ Rd 5.

Yes, great idea! Man, Dzierkals' goal was pretty slick.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
Travis Dermott and the Erie Otters started their season last night. Dermott had a pair of assists, including one on the tying goal that sent the game to overtime with just 1:15 left in the 3rd. The assist was nothing special, but his zone-entry on the shift that led to the goal sure was:

(http://giant.gfycat.com/UnknownWeirdEagle.gif) (http://gfycat.com/UnknownWeirdEagle)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 25, 2015, 04:12:15 PM
Dermott looked pretty good so far and impressed,  seems to have the necessary poise to handle things. Hope he kills with the Otters
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2015, 04:23:24 PM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2015, 04:32:29 PM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.

Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on September 25, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.

Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.

Yeah the interesting thing with Nylander is - if he's at a point where he's even got a shot to be top 5 in AHL scoring, is he going to realistically be left in the AHL to do that?  There was an article on TLN about whether he could be the first teenage 100 pt scorer in the AHL but the counterpoint is - why would be still be down there to reach that total if he's producing points at that rate?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on September 25, 2015, 05:03:10 PM

Much appreciated, Potvin29 and Carlton.

Timashov definitely looks like a huge steal @ Rd 5.

Completely agree re Timashov, he looked very good in the limited action he saw.

I either posted or read an article on here not long after the draft, it looked at Timashov's production and had him in some very impressive company.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 25, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.

Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.

Yeah the interesting thing with Nylander is - if he's at a point where he's even got a shot to be top 5 in AHL scoring, is he going to realistically be left in the AHL to do that?  There was an article on TLN about whether he could be the first teenage 100 pt scorer in the AHL but the counterpoint is - why would be still be down there to reach that total if he's producing points at that rate?

Because the Leafs need to lose hockey games?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2015, 05:08:44 PM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.

Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.

Yeah the interesting thing with Nylander is - if he's at a point where he's even got a shot to be top 5 in AHL scoring, is he going to realistically be left in the AHL to do that?  There was an article on TLN about whether he could be the first teenage 100 pt scorer in the AHL but the counterpoint is - why would be still be down there to reach that total if he's producing points at that rate?

But what would be the point of dragging him into the inevitable tire fire that will be the 2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs season post-deadline, and wasting 1 ELC year/games towards UFA?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on September 25, 2015, 05:24:02 PM
But what would be the point of dragging him into the inevitable tire fire that will be the 2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs season post-deadline, and wasting 1 ELC year/games towards UFA?

Because while you can design a team to be bad in the off-season, in-season you probably can't outright look like you're intentionally making decisions to lose games and still be able to preach what you want to the players you have. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 25, 2015, 05:30:57 PM
But what would be the point of dragging him into the inevitable tire fire that will be the 2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs season post-deadline, and wasting 1 ELC year/games towards UFA?

Because while you can design a team to be bad in the off-season, in-season you probably can't outright look like you're intentionally making decisions to lose games and still be able to preach what you want to the players you have.

I wouldn't suggest that keeping a 19 year old in the AHL would be seen as intentionally making decisions to lose games.

Healthy scratching him in the NHL could likely be seen as that, but certainly not exposing a teenager to what will likely (hopefully) be a bit of a disaster. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2015, 05:36:24 PM
But what would be the point of dragging him into the inevitable tire fire that will be the 2015-16 Toronto Maple Leafs season post-deadline, and wasting 1 ELC year/games towards UFA?

Because while you can design a team to be bad in the off-season, in-season you probably can't outright look like you're intentionally making decisions to lose games and still be able to preach what you want to the players you have.

I wouldn't suggest that keeping a 19 year old in the AHL would be seen as intentionally making decisions to lose games.

Healthy scratching him in the NHL could likely be seen as that, but certainly not exposing a teenager to what will likely (hopefully) be a bit of a disaster.

I see them bringing in the Carricks and Leivos who have been in the system longer ahead of Nylander without any difficulty justifying that decision. Wasn't Brown tearing up the AHL last season?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on September 25, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
I wouldn't suggest that keeping a 19 year old in the AHL would be seen as intentionally making decisions to lose games.

Healthy scratching him in the NHL could likely be seen as that, but certainly not exposing a teenager to what will likely (hopefully) be a bit of a disaster.

I think that if you're looking around post-deadline for people to promote out of the AHL once spots open up and you have someone who is dominating the AHL to the extent we're talking about(remember the idea here is that Nylander is scoring at a league-leading or near league-leading pace) and you pass on Nylander for someone like Casey Bailey or Josh Leivo then it sends a pretty clear message about what the organizational priorities are. The team couldn't hide behind "making sure Nylander is ready" either if, again, he's dominating the AHL so thoroughly.

Even teams as thoroughly in the tank as Arizona and Buffalo last year gave their better AHL prospects call-ups and they didn't have anyone playing at the level of what we're supposing Nylander might. You can't preach a meritocracy and then ignore results like that.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on September 25, 2015, 05:48:06 PM
I see them bringing in the Carricks and Leivos who have been in the system longer ahead of Nylander without any difficulty justifying that decision. Wasn't Brown tearing up the AHL last season?

Last year's team never was really in the situation where they had to promote AHL guys to fill in regular NHL roster spots. Players like Sill and Lindstrom were brought in for essentially that precise purpose. They might go that route again this year but if not and if ideally there are at least a half-dozen spots open up post-deadline then I think you would need to justify promoting players who are nowhere as good.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2015, 06:01:53 PM
I see them bringing in the Carricks and Leivos who have been in the system longer ahead of Nylander without any difficulty justifying that decision. Wasn't Brown tearing up the AHL last season?

Last year's team never was really in the situation where they had to promote AHL guys to fill in regular NHL roster spots. Players like Sill and Lindstrom were brought in for essentially that precise purpose. They might go that route again this year but if not and if ideally there are at least a half-dozen spots open up post-deadline then I think you would need to justify promoting players who are nowhere as good.

Definitely depends on which spots open up and don't get filled with the trade returns. There is a good chance we will be looking at at least a half dozen moves. I agree with what you say re: meritocracy as well, but continue to hope they protect Nylander for the full season.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on September 25, 2015, 07:15:56 PM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.

Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.

If Brown stays in the AHL all year, I wonder if his name doesn't make that top-5 list as well.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on September 25, 2015, 07:17:43 PM
Definitely depends on which spots open up and don't get filled with the trade returns. There is a good chance we will be looking at at least a half dozen moves. I agree with what you say re: meritocracy as well, but continue to hope they protect Nylander for the full season.

I think that if you're counting on Nylander to play a significant role on the team in the 16-17 season there could very well be real value in getting him 15-20 NHL games this year and exposing him to the difference between the AHL and NHL. Especially if he dominates the AHL but still needs to work at what he needs to succeed in the NHL.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on September 25, 2015, 07:22:21 PM
Timashov.  3 points in his QMJHL debut and one absolutely filthy assist.

http://www2.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?Leafs%2Bprospect%2BTimashov%2Bwith%2Ba%2BDIRTY%2Bno-look%2Bassist%2Bon%2Bone%2Bknee%2Bin%2Bthe%2BQMJHL&id=561621 (http://www2.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?Leafs%2Bprospect%2BTimashov%2Bwith%2Ba%2BDIRTY%2Bno-look%2Bassist%2Bon%2Bone%2Bknee%2Bin%2Bthe%2BQMJHL&id=561621)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 25, 2015, 10:31:50 PM
Definitely depends on which spots open up and don't get filled with the trade returns. There is a good chance we will be looking at at least a half dozen moves. I agree with what you say re: meritocracy as well, but continue to hope they protect Nylander for the full season.

I think that if you're counting on Nylander to play a significant role on the team in the 16-17 season there could very well be real value in getting him 15-20 NHL games this year and exposing him to the difference between the AHL and NHL. Especially if he dominates the AHL but still needs to work at what he needs to succeed in the NHL.

That seems to be similar to what they did with Nyquist in Detroit for a couple of seasons. Three straight seasons of ppg production in the AHL with 15 or so games in the NHL.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on September 26, 2015, 11:00:11 AM
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.

Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.

Yeah the interesting thing with Nylander is - if he's at a point where he's even got a shot to be top 5 in AHL scoring, is he going to realistically be left in the AHL to do that?  There was an article on TLN about whether he could be the first teenage 100 pt scorer in the AHL but the counterpoint is - why would be still be down there to reach that total if he's producing points at that rate?

Because the Leafs need to lose hockey games?

But I think the reason there's been no 100 point AHL scorers at that age is because if they're that good they're not spending the whole season in the AHL.  At some point the Leafs needing to lose can't come at the expense of the development of players.  Even terrible teams who are bottoming out play their young players if they're clearly ready for the NHL.  Just a question on what's best for his development, because while the Leafs need to lose, they also need Nylander to develop.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 26, 2015, 11:20:41 AM
Not sure about the amount we will lose this year, but I would think this is the last year they will keep Nylander, Kapanen and Brown, down. Also some of the young D will need to move up for 16-17. At least Percy and Loov if they don't make the squad this year.
So agreed with Potvin, we need at some point to let these guys play, if they are ready.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 26, 2015, 11:23:48 AM

But I think the reason there's been no 100 point AHL scorers at that age is because if they're that good they're not spending the whole season in the AHL.  At some point the Leafs needing to lose can't come at the expense of the development of players.  Even terrible teams who are bottoming out play their young players if they're clearly ready for the NHL.  Just a question on what's best for his development, because while the Leafs need to lose, they also need Nylander to develop.

I don't think an extra 4 months in the AHL is going to delay his development.  And really, he's only 19, and most kids his age are in junior. 

Though I do think that if he blows the doors off this AHL season, they'll have a hard time keeping him off of the Leafs' 2016-2017 opening night roster.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 26, 2015, 11:40:09 AM

But I think the reason there's been no 100 point AHL scorers at that age is because if they're that good they're not spending the whole season in the AHL.  At some point the Leafs needing to lose can't come at the expense of the development of players.  Even terrible teams who are bottoming out play their young players if they're clearly ready for the NHL.  Just a question on what's best for his development, because while the Leafs need to lose, they also need Nylander to develop.

I don't think an extra 4 months in the AHL is going to delay his development.  And really, he's only 19, and most kids his age are in junior. 

Though I do think that if he blows the doors off this AHL season, they'll have a hard time keeping him off of the Leafs' 2016-2017 opening night roster.

A comparable might be Jason Spezza.  He was playing in the AHL in the 2002 - 2003 season.  He would have been 19 that year.  I am not sure why he was allowed to play in the AHL.  I guess the rule was different back then.  Here is his season:

2002-03   Binghamton Senators   AHL   43   22   32   54

So he was on a 100 point pace, but he was called up by the Senators late in the season.  Now the Senators were pretty good that year and they weren't trying to bottom out, so that makes the scenario a different.  I believe though that at the start of the year the Senators had said that they would like to keep Spezza in the AHL for the year to work on his defensive play. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2015, 03:31:32 PM
Mitch Marner has been named co-captain of the London Knights, along with fellow returnee Christian Dvorak. He'll make his season debut tomorrow night.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 01, 2015, 03:36:54 PM

Co-captain? What sort of communist nonsense is this?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on October 01, 2015, 03:39:51 PM

Co-captain? What sort of communist nonsense is this?

Pretty soon the entire team will wear a C.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 01, 2015, 03:44:22 PM

Co-captain? What sort of communist nonsense is this?

Pretty soon the entire team will wear a C.

It's more inclusive that way, everyone is an equal.

Lou suggested it.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on October 01, 2015, 03:59:47 PM

Co-captain? What sort of communist nonsense is this?

Pretty soon the entire team will wear a C.

It's more inclusive that way, everyone is an equal.

Lou suggested it.

Thanks to you baby boomers and all your lawsuits!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on October 03, 2015, 08:54:44 PM
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Mitch Marner made his debut in London last night and put up a goal and an assist.  Unfortunatley because of the depth on the roster JJ Piccinich sat out after putting up 4 points in his first two games with the Knights.  Stephen Desrocher and Martins Dzierkals are off to good starts and Andreas Johnson continues to score well in the Swedish league.

Pierre Engvall is still playing in the minor division in Sweden but scored his first two professional league points.                                                                                                                                                         
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 03, 2015, 10:47:21 PM
Unfortunatley because of the depth on the roster JJ Piccinich sat out after putting up 4 points in his first two games with the Knights.                                                                                                                        

He might be hurt, I know he was suffering through some stuff earlier. Would be weird for him to leave BU after they have their 2 best players leave only to go to another team whose line-up is too deep for him. I mean it's not like it was a surprise that London got Marner and Dvorak back.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on October 03, 2015, 11:11:08 PM
Unfortunatley because of the depth on the roster JJ Piccinich sat out after putting up 4 points in his first two games with the Knights.                                                                                                                        

He might be hurt, I know he was suffering through some stuff earlier. Would be weird for him to leave BU after they have their 2 best players leave only to go to another team whose line-up is too deep for him. I mean it's not like it was a surprise that London got Marner and Dvorak back.

Banged up a little but he's sitting because other guys have sat out and the defense is a bit of a mess right now.  They are running with 7 defensemen right now trying to sort out who they can trust to play and where they need to make moves to shore up the blueline for a deep run.

They have a guy like Ryan Valentini playing Junior B right now who should probably be in the OHL at this point.  Too much of a good thing in the forward ranks at this point with a lot of front end guys deserving of playing 20 minutes a night and guys are going to miss out on opportunities.  Piccinich won't be a guy out of the lineup often but he's going to miss out on some opportunities and might not factor in on the PP depending on how Marner and Dvorak are used.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 05, 2015, 11:33:53 AM
that would be a Ko-Komrad
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2015, 09:23:49 AM
Andreas Johnson: 7 pts in 7 games (2G1A in this game)
(http://giant.gfycat.com/ThirdDarlingKronosaurus.gif)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 18, 2015, 11:15:01 AM
Mitch Marner with a pair of goals in London's 7-2 win over the Soo (sorry Potvin):

(http://giant.gfycat.com/CreamySmallGenet.gif)

(http://giant.gfycat.com/GaseousWindyAmericanshorthair.gif)

Those are in fact two different goals. Marner also added an assist on a J.J. Piccinich goal. Those two have been on a line with potential top-5 2016 pick Matthew Tkachuk. Failing a Matthews pick at 1st overall Tkachuk could definitely be a Leafs target come draft time.

Marner has 5 goals and 5 assists in 7 games. Piccinich has 6 goals and 5 assists in 11 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on October 23, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Is there any reason DiBrincat isn`t in the top prospects conversation? Is it because he's undersized?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on October 23, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Mitch Marner with a pair of goals in London's 7-2 win over the Soo (sorry Potvin):

I wish these highlights were from a game in the Soo where they film with a potato so I wouldn't have to see it in such beautiful clarity.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on October 23, 2015, 07:21:42 PM
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   D Timashov               QMJHL               LW               10               4               9               13               1   
   A Nielsen               WHL               D               8               4               6               10               10   
   P Engvall               Swe-1               LW               15               2               4               6               3   
   A Johnson               SweHL               RW               12               4               6               10               -2   
   J Lindgren               SweHL               D               12               0               0               0               -7   

Nielsen and Desrocher are having standout seasons on defense so far this year. Johnson is continuing to put up good offensive numbers in the Swedish league.  The College kids really haven't done much as of yet.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on October 26, 2015, 09:51:44 AM
I heard we were looking for a PP weapon: https://streamable.com/l91z
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 26, 2015, 04:29:49 PM
I can't wait for the day that Andres laces up for the Leafs.  Consider this line,  Kapanen, Nylander, Johnson in about 3 years.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 26, 2015, 07:30:39 PM
I can't wait for the day that Andres laces up for the Leafs.  Consider this line,  Kapanen, Nylander, Johnson in about 3 years.

#ScrewDefence
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2015, 09:13:11 AM
It's time for the monthly "Jeremy Bracco to play in the OHL" rumour again:


Bracco has 3 points in 5 games for Boston College this season, but all 3 points came in 1 game. The Rangers are 1st in the OHL right now.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on October 28, 2015, 09:16:38 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do in the OHL.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2015, 09:19:07 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do in the OHL.

Yeah like selfishly it'd be nice to see highlights of him and stuff. Just easier to follow his play in the OHL.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on October 28, 2015, 09:20:31 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do in the OHL.

Yeah like selfishly it'd be nice to see highlights of him and stuff. Just easier to follow his play in the OHL.

Plus as a freshman in the NCAA not sure what sort of ice-time he'd be getting.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on October 28, 2015, 09:33:18 AM
It's time for the monthly "Jeremy Bracco to play in the OHL" rumour again:

Bob McKenzie says Bracco has informed Boston College that he is leaving school and that he is scheduled to be in Kitchener today.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 28, 2015, 09:36:51 AM
It's time for the monthly "Jeremy Bracco to play in the OHL" rumour again:

Bob McKenzie says Bracco has informed Boston College that he is leaving school and that he is scheduled to be in Kitchener today.

Yup. Seems legit this time around.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 28, 2015, 09:38:42 AM

Man, it's just terrible that a kid would throw away an education like that. We really need a rule that puts an age limit on kids being professionals and...

Sorry, I thought for a second he played Basketball.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on October 28, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
Auston Matthews - 14 GP - 10G 7A 17P (6th in league scoring).

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2015, 09:56:42 AM
Auston Matthews - 14 GP - 10G 7A 17P (6th in league scoring).



3 former Leafs prospects in the top-10 in scoring: Josh Holden, Jarkko Immonen, and Chris Didomenico. Er, not to take anything away from what Matthews has done there, it's still amazing. He's leading the entire league in goals too.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 28, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do in the OHL.

Yeah like selfishly it'd be nice to see highlights of him and stuff. Just easier to follow his play in the OHL.

Although doesn't this mean he'd not be able to jump to the AHL next year?

If a kid leaves the NCAA and hasn't played major junior, aren't they eligible for the AHL before 20 like Europeans?

Does this change is a Jnr team has his rights?

Not that is matters much, a bit of a logjam in the minors anyway.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2015, 10:43:11 AM
Although doesn't this mean he'd not be able to jump to the AHL next year?

If a kid leaves the NCAA and hasn't played major junior, aren't they eligible for the AHL before 20 like Europeans?

Does this change is a Jnr team has his rights?

The CHL-AHL agreement only applies to players who were drafted out of the CHL. So no, this doesn't change anything. He would be eligible to play in the AHL next season.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 28, 2015, 10:43:48 AM
Although doesn't this mean he'd not be able to jump to the AHL next year?

If a kid leaves the NCAA and hasn't played major junior, aren't they eligible for the AHL before 20 like Europeans?

Does this change is a Jnr team has his rights?

The CHL-AHL agreement only applies to players who were drafted out of the CHL. So no, this doesn't change anything. He would be eligible to play in the AHL next season.

Thanks for the clarification mate.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 30, 2015, 10:23:03 PM
KyleTheReporter: Leafs prospects Mitch Marner and JJ Piccinich each had a pair of goals in London's win tonight. Both players have 17 points in 10 games
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on October 30, 2015, 10:25:01 PM
KyleTheReporter: Leafs prospects Mitch Marner and JJ Piccinich each had a pair of goals in London's win tonight. Both players have 17 points in 10 games

Marner's getting the London Knights officiating love this year.  24 penalty minutes (12 minor penalties) in 11 games.   He had 77 PIM in 127 games over the last two years.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 01, 2015, 11:10:53 PM
Auston Matthews - 14 GP - 10G 7A 17P (6th in league scoring).

He's now out for weeks with a back injury.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Captain Canuck on November 03, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Stephen Desrocher was traded to Kingston today for a boatload of picks.

3rd and 5th round selections in 2016, 2nd round selection in 2017, 2nd round selection in 2018, and two conditional selections in 2019 and 2021 in the 3rd and 2nd round at the OHL Priority Selection.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on November 03, 2015, 08:37:55 PM
Who?

Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on November 03, 2015, 08:40:26 PM
Who?

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/6/27/8856857/leafs-select-generals-defender-stephen-desrocher-155th-overall-in

Leaf's 2015 6th rd pick.

I'm not familiar with junior trades, but that is indeed a huge number of picks for one guy.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 03, 2015, 08:53:51 PM
I'm not familiar with junior trades, but that is indeed a huge number of picks for one guy.

Not all that unusual for junior deals - especially having them spread out over so many drafts. One of those conditional picks is 6 drafts from now.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on November 04, 2015, 12:13:17 PM
I'm not familiar with junior trades, but that is indeed a huge number of picks for one guy.

Not all that unusual for junior deals - especially having them spread out over so many drafts. One of those conditional picks is 6 drafts from now.

Thanks busta.

In other news, Timashov is awesome.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on November 04, 2015, 12:50:17 PM
I'm not familiar with junior trades, but that is indeed a huge number of picks for one guy.

Not all that unusual for junior deals - especially having them spread out over so many drafts. One of those conditional picks is 6 drafts from now.

Thanks busta.

In other news, Timashov is awesome.

Dzierkals having a good year too.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 04, 2015, 01:09:25 PM
I'm not familiar with junior trades, but that is indeed a huge number of picks for one guy.

Not all that unusual for junior deals - especially having them spread out over so many drafts. One of those conditional picks is 6 drafts from now.

Thanks busta.

In other news, Timashov is awesome.

There was an article posted here not long after the draft that pretty much predicted this.

Dzierkals is tearing it up too btw.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 04, 2015, 02:08:40 PM
Andrew Nielsen has to be the standout prospect so far this year. 

Last year he played 59 games and put up 7G 17A 24P
This year he has 15GP 6G 11A 17P

Jeremy Bracco is off to a good start in Kitchener too.  2G 4A 6P in 3GP.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on November 04, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
There was an article posted here not long after the draft that pretty much predicted this.

This one, right? https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2015/07/26/one-eyed-toronto-maple-leafs-reporter-is-king/
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 04, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
There was an article posted here not long after the draft that pretty much predicted this.

This one, right? https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2015/07/26/one-eyed-toronto-maple-leafs-reporter-is-king/

Yeah, aside from the author liking the sound of his own voice, he was almost spot on about Timashov.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 04, 2015, 02:33:00 PM

I don't think it takes a crystal ball to say that someone who scores 90 points in 66 games in their draft year will improve at 19.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on November 04, 2015, 03:29:34 PM
It's a bit of a downer that Team Sweden is likely going to snub Timashov for a spot with their WJC squad (presumably because he's not Swedish by descent). It would've been some kind of fun to preview him and Nylander together.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Jolly good show chaps on November 06, 2015, 05:13:22 PM
How is Kapanen getting on?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 06, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
How is Kapanen getting on?

I've seen most of the Marlies games this year and he's struggled a little.

He has three goals for three points in eight games, I think he is trying to to figure out the smaller ice and his part in the defensive structure they want to play.

He has a great shot and shows flashes of why he's so highly regarded as a prospect, I expect he will break out a little fairly soon. He's also a guy that's suffering a little due to the Marlies depth, on most other teams I think he'd see a lot more ice that would allow him to work things out a bit quicker.

I can't find he ice-time stats, but from what I've seen, he has been playing more of a 3rd line role, he'll likely get more opportunity with the loss of Brown for an extended period.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 06, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
A goal and an assist so far tonight for KK.

Marlies up 3-2 in Utica in the 2nd.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 06, 2015, 09:49:45 PM
Marlies take it in the SO with Nylander winning it and move to 9-3-0.

They've averaged 4 goals a game.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 07, 2015, 04:41:17 AM
https://streamable.com/h6l7

Nylander's shootout winner.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 07, 2015, 09:53:04 AM
Wasn't KK injured or sick for the first two or three games?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 07, 2015, 10:33:34 AM
Marner - 5 assists
Piccinich - 3 assists

Marner has now moved up to 4th in OHL scoring and is on an 8 game point streak.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 07, 2015, 11:19:59 AM
https://streamable.com/h6l7

Nylander's shootout winner.

How's Kapanen been looking?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 07, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
https://streamable.com/h6l7

Nylander's shootout winner.

How's Kapanen been looking?

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=3386.msg241733#msg241733
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on November 07, 2015, 12:33:42 PM

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=3386.msg241733#msg241733

 :D
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 07, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
Wasn't KK injured or sick for the first two or three games?

Missed the first two games with a virus, so it's possible he was still recovering.

Other players have been rotated out healthy too though, so he's not really at a games played disadvantage per se.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 07, 2015, 12:38:35 PM

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=3386.msg241733#msg241733

 :D

Oh.

Sincerely,
That Guy
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 07, 2015, 12:45:13 PM

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=3386.msg241733#msg241733

 :D

Oh.

Sincerely,
That Guy

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jck.gif)

 ;)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 07, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on November 09, 2015, 10:29:09 AM
More Timashov: https://streamable.com/sexj
Breakaway goal to cap off a 2G3A night. 35 points (10G25A) in 19 games played, with points in all but 4 games. QMJHL website is pretty good (Timashov's profile (http://theqmjhl.ca/players/13016/00))

Martins Dzierkals sitting at 27 pts (12G15A) in 18 games. Held off the scoresheet only 1 game.  (Dzierkal's profile (http://theqmjhl.ca/players/14967/00))
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 09, 2015, 08:08:45 PM
Andrew Nielsen now has 20 points in 17 games.  He's match last seasons' 7 goals and is 4 points away from a new career high.

In 2005 he was Dion Phaneuf's waterboy.   In 2012-2013 he was playing Midget AA hockey.  In 2013-2014 he was playing Midget AAA hockey.  In 2014-2015 he wasn't even listed by CSS in their preliminary draft rankings.

I really like what he is doing this year.  I have only seen two of his games but he looks really good.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Arn on November 12, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
Guys, there's a NCAA tournament here in a couple of weeks involving UMass Lowell, Brown, Colgate and Northeastern.

I've had a look but can't see - are there any Leafs prospects in any of those 4 sides or anyone who may be likely to be picked up by or on the radar of the Leafs at some stage?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on November 12, 2015, 11:28:31 AM
Guys, there's a NCAA tournament here in a couple of weeks involving UMass Lowell, Brown, Colgate and Northeastern.

I've had a look but can't see - are there any Leafs prospects in any of those 4 sides or anyone who may be likely to be picked up by or on the radar of the Leafs at some stage?

Hey Arn, I checked out the Leafs prospect page at Hockey's Future and didn't see any player listed at any of those schools.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/toronto_maple_leafs/

Speaking of prospects, I did see that Nolan Vesey (Maine) was suspended a game the other day for spearing the opposition goalie after the final buzzer.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2015/11/9/9695076/maine-nolan-vesey-suspended-by-hockey-east-spearing-thatcher-demko
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 12, 2015, 02:38:44 PM
All true Luncheon Meat…worth watching Arn as you may notice one or two standouts that hopefully Hunter will go after next draft. Last year when I watched Boston playing I noticed Evan Rodrigues and thought this guy is a standout, now he is a bright prospect with the Sabres and the thing is the kid is from T.O.  wouldn't have been a wasted pick. Not complainng at all about the group we did get. Timashv looking like a steal at his round.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Arn on November 12, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
Guys, there's a NCAA tournament here in a couple of weeks involving UMass Lowell, Brown, Colgate and Northeastern.

I've had a look but can't see - are there any Leafs prospects in any of those 4 sides or anyone who may be likely to be picked up by or on the radar of the Leafs at some stage?

Hey Arn, I checked out the Leafs prospect page at Hockey's Future and didn't see any player listed at any of those schools.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/toronto_maple_leafs/

Speaking of prospects, I did see that Nolan Vesey (Maine) was suspended a game the other day for spearing the opposition goalie after the final buzzer.

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2015/11/9/9695076/maine-nolan-vesey-suspended-by-hockey-east-spearing-thatcher-demko

Cheers for looking! I'm very excited for the tournament, not seen much NCAA hockey and never seen any in person so looking forward to it. Hopefully someone I see will make it into the Leafs system perhaps..
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
Another 5 point night for Marner.  2G 3A.  Up to 31 points in 15 games.  On a 9-game point streak putting up 24 points over that stretch.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Pity Marner can't play with the Marlies or in Europe next year. Its Leafs or the OHL and I think after this season he has nothing to prove in the OHL. I just don't want Edmonton syndrome happening to this kid. I want him to bulk up on his upper body strength and grow into a man's body that can handle the rigours of NHL play.
A bit of a conundrum really as what do you do with him?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on November 14, 2015, 10:27:26 AM
Pity Marner can't play with the Marlies or in Europe next year. Its Leafs or the OHL and I think after this season he has nothing to prove in the OHL. I just don't want Edmonton syndrome happening to this kid. I want him to bulk up on his upper body strength and grow into a man's body that can handle the rigours of NHL play.
A bit of a conundrum really as what do you do with him?

I don't see the Leafs rushing him to the NHL. He's a special player but I really think he looked a little out of place during camp and pre-season this year. I think another year of playing center in the OHL would do him well if that's the only other option.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2015, 10:49:09 AM
Agreed, he definetly isn't NHL ready (now) but is so dominating in the OHL, I mean 31points in 15 games, that you are talking about the next to two entire seasons there. I guess this will be the only option unless he comes to camp bulked up and seemingly ready to make the leap.
I wish he could play with the Marlies next year, perhaps it time for them to look at their rules or have exeception clauses.  Sort of like they do for gifted students in the school system!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: wnc096 on November 14, 2015, 12:14:59 PM
Pity Marner can't play with the Marlies or in Europe next year. Its Leafs or the OHL and I think after this season he has nothing to prove in the OHL. I just don't want Edmonton syndrome happening to this kid. I want him to bulk up on his upper body strength and grow into a man's body that can handle the rigours of NHL play.
A bit of a conundrum really as what do you do with him?

I don't see the Leafs rushing him to the NHL. He's a special player but I really think he looked a little out of place during camp and pre-season this year. I think another year of playing center in the OHL would do him well if that's the only other option.

getting sent back to junior twice seemed to work for Max Domi
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Ok Done!!!!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 14, 2015, 08:31:18 PM

Pity Marner can't play with the Marlies or in Europe next year. Its Leafs or the OHL and I think after this season he has nothing to prove in the OHL. I just don't want Edmonton syndrome happening to this kid. I want him to bulk up on his upper body strength and grow into a man's body that can handle the rigours of NHL play.
A bit of a conundrum really as what do you do with him?

I don't see the Leafs rushing him to the NHL. He's a special player but I really think he looked a little out of place during camp and pre-season this year. I think another year of playing center in the OHL would do him well if that's the only other option.

getting sent back to junior twice seemed to work for Max Domi

While I don't think that's a terrible call, Marner  looks significantly more offensively gifted than Domi did at the same age.

Domi draft year ppg: 1.35
Next season/s: 1.52, 1.78

Marner draft year ppg: 2.0
Next season: 2.06 (only played 15 games so far)

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 15, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
Guess we could put him on a line with Kadri and Komorov and the Komrade could do the beating on any one picking on the kid.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 16, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
For those that follow the OHL relatively closely, how good is this Alex Debrincat (http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/26731) kid in Erie?

40 points with 27 goals through 19 games seems incredible, I note that McKenzie didn't have him in the top 21 in his 2016 draft rankings, is this due to him only being 5'7"?

Does he look like a legit top tier prospect or one of those guys who can dominate the minors but whose skills might not translate?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 16, 2015, 10:44:35 AM
For those that follow the OHL relatively closely, how good is this Alex Debrincat (http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/26731) kid in Erie?

40 points with 27 goals through 19 games seems incredible, I note that McKenzie didn't have him in the top 21 in his 2016 draft rankings, is this due to him only being 5'7"?

Does he look like a legit top tier prospect or one of those guys who can dominate the minors but whose skills might not translate?

A friend of mine was talking about him the other day...hockeydb has him at 5'7" and 160lbs at 17 years old. 

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 16, 2015, 11:10:56 AM
For those that follow the OHL relatively closely, how good is this Alex Debrincat (http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/26731) kid in Erie?

40 points with 27 goals through 19 games seems incredible, I note that McKenzie didn't have him in the top 21 in his 2016 draft rankings, is this due to him only being 5'7"?

Does he look like a legit top tier prospect or one of those guys who can dominate the minors but whose skills might not translate?

I imagine there are some concerns about his skills translating due to size and strength. As much as the game has opened up for smaller players to be able to succeed, the old mindset is still very much in force.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: wnc096 on November 16, 2015, 11:13:29 AM

Pity Marner can't play with the Marlies or in Europe next year. Its Leafs or the OHL and I think after this season he has nothing to prove in the OHL. I just don't want Edmonton syndrome happening to this kid. I want him to bulk up on his upper body strength and grow into a man's body that can handle the rigours of NHL play.
A bit of a conundrum really as what do you do with him?

I don't see the Leafs rushing him to the NHL. He's a special player but I really think he looked a little out of place during camp and pre-season this year. I think another year of playing center in the OHL would do him well if that's the only other option.

getting sent back to junior twice seemed to work for Max Domi

While I don't think that's a terrible call, Marner  looks significantly more offensively gifted than Domi did at the same age.

Domi draft year ppg: 1.35
Next season/s: 1.52, 1.78

Marner draft year ppg: 2.0
Next season: 2.06 (only played 15 games so far)

I have no doubt that Marner could be and probably will be better offensively than Domi...he also has the body of a 12 year old, which may not be ready to be smoked by NHL defenseman.  Another year in junior may just buy him some time to grow physically
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 16, 2015, 12:48:09 PM

Pity Marner can't play with the Marlies or in Europe next year. Its Leafs or the OHL and I think after this season he has nothing to prove in the OHL. I just don't want Edmonton syndrome happening to this kid. I want him to bulk up on his upper body strength and grow into a man's body that can handle the rigours of NHL play.
A bit of a conundrum really as what do you do with him?

I don't see the Leafs rushing him to the NHL. He's a special player but I really think he looked a little out of place during camp and pre-season this year. I think another year of playing center in the OHL would do him well if that's the only other option.

getting sent back to junior twice seemed to work for Max Domi

While I don't think that's a terrible call, Marner  looks significantly more offensively gifted than Domi did at the same age.

Domi draft year ppg: 1.35
Next season/s: 1.52, 1.78

Marner draft year ppg: 2.0
Next season: 2.06 (only played 15 games so far)

I have no doubt that Marner could be and probably will be better offensively than Domi...he also has the body of a 12 year old, which may not be ready to be smoked by NHL defenseman.  Another year in junior may just buy him some time to grow physically

Nylander was 169lbs when drafted, the most recent numbers, just over a year post draft, have him at 190lbs.

Marner is the same height and was drafted at 164lbs, let's see what size he is when he reports to camp before making any judgements there.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 16, 2015, 01:19:41 PM
Ya a year of steaks and Mac and Cheese will bulk him up!!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 17, 2015, 08:11:09 AM
Marner was named Player of the Game in last night's OHL-Russia matchup.

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/ohl-captures-series-with-2-1-win-in-windsor/167075
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 17, 2015, 08:38:20 AM
I'm a little surprised that this tournament doesn't get more attention. Seems like the players take it pretty seriously and it's a really neat concept.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 17, 2015, 08:45:45 PM
Sorry hooked on Paris stuff. Can't get my brain off CNN. Touched me driving to AZ thru the Northern U.S. today all the flags at half staff. Waiting to see more of the world response and if the free world will actually do something.  I am even worried about taking my son to see the Leafs play the Yote in December on school break.
A lot of lunny folks in the Sunbelt as well.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Jolly good show chaps on November 18, 2015, 03:48:25 AM
Sorry hooked on Paris stuff. Can't get my brain off CNN. Touched me driving to AZ thru the Northern U.S. today all the flags at half staff. Waiting to see more of the world response and if the free world will actually do something.  I am even worried about taking my son to see the Leafs play the Yote in December on school break.
A lot of lunny folks in the Sunbelt as well.

The reaction at the England v France football/soccer match last night was really touching. As for how the world reacts, well seem the French have been quick to increase the bombings and it looks like they've got some of the suspects from Friday's attacks already.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 18, 2015, 07:26:18 AM
Dont mean to get off topic but as Wyatt Earp once said "We are going to have to kill em all" (ISIS)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 18, 2015, 07:52:50 AM

Well, just so long as nobody meant to go off-topic.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM
I'm a little surprised that this tournament doesn't get more attention. Seems like the players take it pretty seriously and it's a really neat concept.

I really like what the OHL did this year.  They made it a split squad series and had two completely different lineups for their two games.  It's a competitive series, but it's also a bit of a showcase for the draft too.  Making sure some of the undrafted kids get into the series instead of just loading it up with 18/19 year olds was a nice touch.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on November 19, 2015, 09:20:51 AM
Don't look now but William Nylander is #1 in AHL scoring.

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay.php
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 20, 2015, 08:12:25 AM
Another 3 points for Marner last night. After scoring just 7 points in his first 6 games he's now on an 11-game point streak where he's scored 28 points.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 22, 2015, 12:15:25 PM
Nashville claimed Granberg on waivers.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 22, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
Nashville claimed Granberg on waivers.

That kinda sucks.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on November 22, 2015, 01:12:53 PM
Nashville claimed Granberg on waivers.

That kinda sucks.

Hopefully it means there are a lot of better options on defence going forward.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 22, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
I'm really going to miss the Swedish Andrew MacWilliam.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: wnc096 on November 22, 2015, 02:05:44 PM
I'm really going to miss the Swedish Andrew MacWilliam.


Macwilliam is the Canadian Korbinian Holzer
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 22, 2015, 02:10:10 PM
I'm really going to miss the Swedish Andrew MacWilliam.


Macwilliam is the Canadian Korbinian Holzer

Holzer is the German Staffan Kronwall.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 22, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
Nashville claimed Granberg on waivers.

That kinda sucks.

Hopefully it means there are a lot of better options on defence going forward.

Yeah, for sure. I just wanted to see him get an extended look, you follow these kids and then sometimes they're gone before you get to see what they might be. Tough d crowd to crack in Nashville too.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 22, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
Holzer is the German Staffan Kronwall.

Kronwall is the Swedish Maxim Kondratiev
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 22, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
Kronwall is the Swedish Maxim Kondratiev

Kondratiev is the Russian Pierre Hedin?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 22, 2015, 03:19:40 PM
Holzer is the German Staffan Kronwall.

Kronwall is the Swedish Maxim Kondratiev

Stralman is the next Nik Lidstrom
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 22, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
Kronwall is the Swedish Maxim Kondratiev

Kondratiev is the Russian Pierre Hedin?

Hedin in the Swedish Jonathan Zion.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 22, 2015, 04:55:04 PM
Hedin in the Swedish Jonathan Zion.

Zion, of course, being the Canadian Dimitri Yakushin.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Gerald The Duck on November 22, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Kapanen with 3 points and AHL Scoring leader Nylander with 2 in the Marlies' win today.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 23, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Timashov and Nielsen both signed ELC's today.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 23, 2015, 07:19:25 PM
Good news, to of our future stars.  :)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 23, 2015, 10:34:55 PM
Timashov and Nielsen both signed ELC's today.

Nielsen intrigues me.  Even at the draft, he just kind of flew under my radar.  He now has equalled his goals (7), assists (17) and points (24) totals from all of last year in only 23 games (vs. 59 last year).  He seems to be such a late bloomer that it's really hard to tell what his ceiling might be.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on November 24, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
https://instagram.com/p/-ZtWV_Fm8v/
A video of a really hard hug.
Also Kapanen rifling a Nylander pass for a PPG.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 24, 2015, 01:12:34 PM
Man it sucks that they can't delay Marner getting to the NHL by a year.  I know they could, but it might not be in his best interests.  The excitement that I have about watching Nylander next year just keeps building.  It would be great if during next year, I got to watch Nylander play in the NHL, but still had that excitement building over a player like Marner.

I suppose Kane and Toews were rookies in the same year.  Chicago still seems pretty excited. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Can8899 on November 24, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
Man it sucks that they can't delay Marner getting to the NHL by a year.  I know they could, but it might not be in his best interests.  The excitement that I have about watching Nylander next year just keeps building.  It would be great if during next year, I got to watch Nylander play in the NHL, but still had that excitement building over a player like Marner.

I suppose Kane and Toews were rookies in the same year.  Chicago still seems pretty excited.

So the options next year for Marner is either Junior or NHL right?  Could he be loaned to play in Europe similar to what Matthews is doing or does his NHL contract not allow for that?  Would that even be a good idea?

How many questions can I ask in one post? 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 24, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 24, 2015, 03:38:09 PM

Honestly, if you go back over the last 10 years of the draft...we better hope that Marner is in the NHL next year because the resume of top 5 picks who weren't in the NHL after one season isn't that great.

Basically, as far as I can tell, the list is:

Benoit Pouliot
Thomas Hickey
Griffin Reinhart
Ryan Strome
Alex Pietrangelon(sort of)
Michael Dal Colle

That's...not a great list.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 24, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
Man it sucks that they can't delay Marner getting to the NHL by a year.  I know they could, but it might not be in his best interests.  The excitement that I have about watching Nylander next year just keeps building.  It would be great if during next year, I got to watch Nylander play in the NHL, but still had that excitement building over a player like Marner.

I suppose Kane and Toews were rookies in the same year.  Chicago still seems pretty excited.

So the options next year for Marner is either Junior or NHL right?  Could he be loaned to play in Europe similar to what Matthews is doing or does his NHL contract not allow for that?  Would that even be a good idea?

How many questions can I ask in one post? 

He can be loaned out to Europe if the team wants, it'd be highly unusual though. I actually brought up this scenario a few days ago, didn't get much traction then as I recall.

Having him play for a Frolunda or Modo does sound intriguing if they want to keep him out of the NHL.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Can8899 on November 24, 2015, 03:49:42 PM
Man it sucks that they can't delay Marner getting to the NHL by a year.  I know they could, but it might not be in his best interests.  The excitement that I have about watching Nylander next year just keeps building.  It would be great if during next year, I got to watch Nylander play in the NHL, but still had that excitement building over a player like Marner.

I suppose Kane and Toews were rookies in the same year.  Chicago still seems pretty excited.

So the options next year for Marner is either Junior or NHL right?  Could he be loaned to play in Europe similar to what Matthews is doing or does his NHL contract not allow for that?  Would that even be a good idea?

How many questions can I ask in one post? 

He can be loaned out to Europe if the team wants, it'd be highly unusual though. I actually brought up this scenario a few days ago, didn't get much traction then as I recall.

Having him play for a Frolunda or Modo does sound intriguing if they want to keep him out of the NHL.

It seems like from what I've read that he'll be too good for junior but not quite ready physically for the NHL. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 24, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
He can be loaned out to Europe if the team wants, it'd be highly unusual though. I actually brought up this scenario a few days ago, didn't get much traction then as I recall.

Having him play for a Frolunda or Modo does sound intriguing if they want to keep him out of the NHL.

Except I think the problem there is that if Marner is more or less ready to play in the NHL from a physical perspective(play, mind, not dominate) then it's hard to see the upside in sending him to play with worse teammates, not under the eye of our very expensive coaching/front office staff and where his ice time will be determined by a European team that, presumably, is primarily interested in winning their games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 24, 2015, 03:54:43 PM
It seems like from what I've read that he'll be too good for junior but not quite ready physically for the NHL.

There's 9-10 months between now and next year's camp. It's probably way too early to speculate, and certainly too early to state with any authority, as to what shape he'll be in physically.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 24, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 24, 2015, 05:43:00 PM

He can be loaned out to Europe if the team wants, it'd be highly unusual though. I actually brought up this scenario a few days ago, didn't get much traction then as I recall.

Having him play for a Frolunda or Modo does sound intriguing if they want to keep him out of the NHL.

Except I think the problem there is that if Marner is more or less ready to play in the NHL from a physical perspective(play, mind, not dominate) then it's hard to see the upside in sending him to play with worse teammates, not under the eye of our very expensive coaching/front office staff and where his ice time will be determined by a European team that, presumably, is primarily interested in winning their games.

If he was loaned to the SEL for the season, could he be recalled ala Nylander to play on the Marlies after a half season?

My thinking on it was that he might be too good for the OHL but maybe not quite ready for the grind of the NHL. The SEL would represent an opportunity to play against men, but in a league where it may not be as physically taxing.

I'm sure they'd give him plenty of ice the same as Nylander, but your point about the benefit of the coaching staff in Toronto is very good.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 24, 2015, 06:01:41 PM
I'm sure they'd give him plenty of ice the same as Nylander, but your point about the benefit of the coaching staff in Toronto is very good.

I'm not sure about that. Nylander earned his ice-time there by virtue of scoring at a rate that established himself as one of the better players on the team. How sure are we that Marner would be one of the better players on a SEL team if we're also assuming he couldn't even hack it in the NHL to the point that even being around would ultimately be bad for his development? What if he doesn't hit the ground running? Lots of good NHL players have to be scratched as young players. Do we want a Swedish organization/coaches making those sorts of decisions?

Likewise, Marner would face some day-to-day challenges in Sweden/Europe that Nylander didn't, namely adjusting to a foreign country and unfamiliar surroundings. It strikes me like it presents just as many, if not more, difficulties for a young player.

I guess it just seems to me like there's such a narrow sliver of upside to sending him to Europe when keeping him around and maybe doing what the Oilers did with Draisatl last year seems like it has the best of both worlds. The OHL can be a failsafe option if he establishes he can't play in the NHL
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 24, 2015, 07:50:39 PM
"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 24, 2015, 08:12:28 PM
"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 24, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
The OHL is eliminating the goaltending rule that a 20 year goaltender counts as one of your three overage players.  Good move.

I know that the rules are in place to make it so that the OHL doesn't have exclusively feeder program status, but it does bother me that the rules are any player under 20 must play in the NHL or OHL.  I don't mind the year after being drafted rule, but if a player has competed 3 (or even 4 OHL seasons if they were a failed exemption status player) they shoudn't be forced to play in a league they aren't appropriate for.  It's junior hockey.  Players bypass age requirements to skip inferior leagues when they are above the talent level of the league.  Hell, the exemption status program allows a 15 year old to play in the OHL.  Mandating adults to stay in a kids league is dumb.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 24, 2015, 08:42:52 PM
"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

It's from The Wire, when Herc was asking a lot of questions.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 24, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=169220

D Andrew Neilson has equaled his point total from last season, in less than half the games. 7G 14A in both seasons but in 23GP this year vs. 59 last year.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 24, 2015, 09:27:51 PM
"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

It's from The Wire, when Herc was asking a lot of questions.

I see.  Never watched The Wire. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 25, 2015, 03:06:23 PM

"Yo, Herc, what if your mother and father never met?"

While typing this, did you smell burnt toast as well?

I guess you don't know the reference?

You have guessed......correctly.

It's from The Wire, when Herc was asking a lot of questions.

I see.  Never watched The Wire.

Go, go now and do it.

Nik, good points, the Draisitl approach is a good idea.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 25, 2015, 03:37:01 PM
I guess it just seems to me like there's such a narrow sliver of upside to sending him to Europe when keeping him around and maybe doing what the Oilers did with Draisatl last year seems like it has the best of both worlds. The OHL can be a failsafe option if he establishes he can't play in the NHL

Yeah, I agree. As far as I'm concerned, the 10 game mark for Marner next season doesn't really matter. If he's good enough, he'll be up for the whole season, any way. If he's not, burning a year of his contract just means his next one probably comes in a little cheaper. The important milestone is game 40. If he crosses that, it counts as an accrued season towards free agency, and it would mean he'd become a UFA at 26 instead of 27. Even though it's only a single season difference, it's enough for the team to set the decision point before he plays that 40th game of the season.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 25, 2015, 04:05:14 PM

I guess it just seems to me like there's such a narrow sliver of upside to sending him to Europe when keeping him around and maybe doing what the Oilers did with Draisatl last year seems like it has the best of both worlds. The OHL can be a failsafe option if he establishes he can't play in the NHL

Yeah, I agree. As far as I'm concerned, the 10 game mark for Marner next season doesn't really matter. If he's good enough, he'll be up for the whole season, any way. If he's not, burning a year of his contract just means his next one probably comes in a little cheaper. The important milestone is game 40. If he crosses that, it counts as an accrued season towards free agency, and it would mean he'd become a UFA at 26 instead of 27. Even though it's only a single season difference, it's enough for the team to set the decision point before he plays that 40th game of the season.

Yeah, I saw McKenzie use this as a reference point for when Nylander would be potentially recalled too, he speculated it'd be early January in that case.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 28, 2015, 10:08:57 AM
I think Marner is becoming a bit of a liability as a prospect.  He doesn't appear to be able to score more than 3 points in a game.  3 points last night.

42 points in 20 games on the year.   35 points in his last 14 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 28, 2015, 10:13:47 AM
Your right LK, if he can't score up to 5 or 6 points per game…useless….totally useless.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 29, 2015, 01:18:24 PM
Nylander benched during yesterdays game, anyone see it? Apparently he was pretty bad, looks like he's playing today though.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on November 30, 2015, 12:06:41 AM
Marner finished with 8 points in 3 games over the weekend for the Knights.
7G 20A 27P in 10 games in November

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Omallley on November 30, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
Marner finished with 8 points in 3 games over the weekend for the Knights.
7G 20A 27P in 10 games in November

On a 16 game point streak, too.

I wonder how much he's benefiting from Tkachuk and Dvorak's play? (Or vice versa, for that matter).
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 01, 2015, 11:04:41 AM
Marner and Dermott have been named to the WJC selection camp.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 01, 2015, 11:17:44 AM

I'd guess Marner is a lock with Dermott being a longshot?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 01, 2015, 11:23:37 AM
I'd guess Marner is a lock with Dermott being a longshot?

Dermott is the 2nd highest scoring dman in the OHL, so I don't know if I'd call him a longshot. He's probably in that middle group that's not a lock but has a legit shot of making the team.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 01, 2015, 11:26:52 AM
I'd guess Marner is a lock with Dermott being a longshot?

Dermott is the 2nd highest scoring dman in the OHL, so I don't know if I'd call him a longshot. He's probably in that middle group that's not a lock but has a legit shot of making the team.

Actually I said that assuming there were at least 6 or 7 Canadian defensemen picked ahead of him in the draft but I just checked and there were only 3. So he might very well have a good shot.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 01, 2015, 11:31:08 AM
I'd guess Marner is a lock with Dermott being a longshot?

Dermott is the 2nd highest scoring dman in the OHL, so I don't know if I'd call him a longshot. He's probably in that middle group that's not a lock but has a legit shot of making the team.

There's probably only 3 locks on the blue line I think. The only returning blueliner (Joe Hicketts) and the two 2014 1st rounders (Haydn Fleury and Travis Sanheim). This group doesn't seem to be a particularly dominant collection of defencemen. I think that Dermott has a pretty good chance of making it, even if it's only as the #7 guy.

Pretty surprising to see that Jeremy Roy wasn't invited to camp. I looked up how he's been doing and he's missed about 2 weeks with an injury but he's set to return from that very soon. Had 23 points in 20 games prior to that.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 01, 2015, 11:34:59 AM
Ho-Sang not getting an invite either.  That head case reputation is going to kill his career.  So much individual talent, so little brain.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 01, 2015, 11:36:10 AM

Speaking of the WJC's, is Nylander eligible?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 01, 2015, 11:41:14 AM
Speaking of the WJC's, is Nylander eligible?

I believe so. There was some rumblings a couple weeks ago that the Leafs aren't particularly inclined to letting him go, though.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 01, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
Speaking of the WJC's, is Nylander eligible?

I believe so. There was some rumblings a couple weeks ago that the Leafs aren't particularly inclined to letting him go, though.

Him and Kapanen are both eligible. It's being played in Finland too so I'm sure Kapanen will really want to play (especially since last years WJC wasn't a particularly strong showing from him).
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 01, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
It would be nice to see both of them tear it up there
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 01, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Ho-Sang not getting an invite either.  That head case reputation is going to kill his career.  So much individual talent, so little brain.

You know, I was a Ho-Sang supporter at his draft but he's in his draft+2 season right now and he's not exactly tearing the OHL apart or anything. This season he's currently at a 1.36 point-per-game pace. He was at 1.35 in his D+1 season and 1.27 in his draft year.

At his age I'd just expect more from him right now. Nylander's brother is currently outscoring him as a rookie 2 years younger.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 01, 2015, 11:56:01 AM
Speaking of the WJC's, is Nylander eligible?

I believe so. There was some rumblings a couple weeks ago that the Leafs aren't particularly inclined to letting him go, though.

Fair enough. I don't really see much of an argument for doing it unless it's something he really wants to do.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 01, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
Lets draft his bro…
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on December 01, 2015, 01:41:06 PM
Y'know... Nylander was born in Canada, and while he has traditionally played for Sweden, it would be quite something to see him play on Team Canada, alongside Marner.

In any case, Nylander doesn't really have anything to prove at the Junior level. I think it would be nice for Kapanen to go (free up some Marlie space for a couple of weeks, give him some time back at home) as he has a bit to prove after last year's showing. I'm hoping Sweden brings in Timashov, but doesn't sound likely at this time.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on December 01, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
Was there word on Timashov about it recently? I thought he had a good shot to make that team.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 01, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
Was there word on Timashov about it recently? I thought he had a good shot to make that team.

A lot of people took the Swedish delegation that came over to scout CHL players not going to one of his games as a snub. They delegation actually clarified that the trip was meant to scout players who had not played much internationally before and who they weren't as familiar with.

He still has a good shot at making the team, he's close to making himself undeniable and if he doesn't go it'll likely be for reasons other than his ability.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on December 01, 2015, 02:24:05 PM
OK, cool, thanks. I would be kind of surprised if he didn't make the team the way he's played.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 01, 2015, 02:57:37 PM
OK, cool, thanks. I would be kind of surprised if he didn't make the team the way he's played.

I heard some rumblings about some people in the Swedish setup not being too high on him because he wasn't born in Sweden, how much substance there is to that, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on December 01, 2015, 03:04:45 PM
Heh, didn't stop them with Nylander.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 01, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
Heh, didn't stop them with Nylander.

Too good for them to care enough?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 01, 2015, 03:14:58 PM
Heh, didn't stop them with Nylander.

Royal bloodlines. ;)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 02, 2015, 10:37:11 AM
Swedish news Aftonbladet is reporting that Nylander will be made available for the World Jr's.

Bob McKenzie basically confirming it:



Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 02, 2015, 10:46:05 AM

Obliged as in had no choice or obliged as in inclined?

That's some bad word choosin' there Bob.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2015, 10:46:10 AM
PPP with a bit more on the story: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2015/12/2/9834880/report-william-nylander-likely-to-play-for-team-sweden-at-world

Sounds like Bill Daly also stepped in and requested that teams release certain prospects. Sweden is now getting Nylander, Kylington, and Adrian Kempe from the AHL. They'll have a pretty good team this year, solid medal contenders.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 02, 2015, 10:49:23 AM
Whom does he think he is? ;)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 02, 2015, 10:51:53 AM

Why would the league care? And, more to the point, why wouldn't the Leafs tell them to shove it?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 02, 2015, 11:10:12 AM

Why would the league care? And, more to the point, why wouldn't the Leafs tell them to shove it?

I could see the league caring more about their relationships with the IIHF and individual nations over their relationships with AHL teams. So as long as it's pretty clear those eligible-players won't be getting a whiff of NHL time during that period I understand why they'd make that request.

As for your second question, well who knows? I'm of the opinion though that playing in the WJC would be beneficial to Nylander (and Kapanen).
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 02, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
PPP with a bit more on the story: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2015/12/2/9834880/report-william-nylander-likely-to-play-for-team-sweden-at-world

Sounds like Bill Daly also stepped in and requested that teams release certain prospects. Sweden is now getting Nylander, Kylington, and Adrian Kempe from the AHL. They'll have a pretty good team this year, solid medal contenders.

Just so we are clear....is the NHL going to "oblige" teams to release their players for the Olympics then?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 02, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
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Apparantley its a contractual obligation for players who have this clause in their contract.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 02, 2015, 11:20:58 AM

Huh. Well, that answers that I suppose.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on December 02, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
Well, that December 31st game (http://www.worldjunior2016.com/en/games/) is now a Marner vs. Nylander game.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 02, 2015, 08:09:35 PM
Well, that December 31st game (http://www.worldjunior2016.com/en/games/) is now a Marner vs. Nylander game.

As long as they don't collide with one another at centre ice and give each other career ending concussions, it should be a good game.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 03, 2015, 10:56:21 AM
Knock on wood!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 04, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Nylander with another 2 goals.  12G 14A 26P in 20GP.   He's 7 points up on the next highest scoring player (TJ Brennan on the team).  Josh Leivo is 2nd in forward scoring with 16 points.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 04, 2015, 09:59:03 PM
Nylander with another 2 goals.  12G 14A 26P in 20GP.   He's 7 points up on the next highest scoring player (TJ Brennan on the team).  Josh Leivo is 2nd in forward scoring with 16 points.

And Marner with a hat-trick.  50 points in 23 games.

EDIT:

And Timashov with a 5 point night to give him 50 in 27 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 04, 2015, 10:02:55 PM
So Nylander's leading the league in scoring. That's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 05, 2015, 08:58:46 PM
Two shorthanded goals, another hat-trick and another 4 point game from Marner.  He scored the Teddy Bear toss goal which is always nice to watch.

https://streamable.com/lds2 (https://streamable.com/lds2)
https://streamable.com/69f5 (https://streamable.com/69f5)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 06, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
That shorthanded goal on the backhand was ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 06, 2015, 11:28:04 AM
that was a Wow moment.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 06, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
Marner is also now tied for the league lead in scoring with Christian Dvorak, passing Alex DiBrinicat last night.  Marner will play his last game for the Knights before heading off to the World Juniors camp today against Guelph.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 06, 2015, 03:11:57 PM
Marner with two power play assists half way through the second.

Stream to watch game with Rogers account: http://rogerstv.com/page.aspx?lid=237&rid=8&sid=1226&eid=284
 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 06, 2015, 04:46:57 PM
Marner finishes the day by putting in an Empty net goal on the PK.  Another 3-point night and his 3rd SH goal of the weekend.

The weekend - 3GP 7G 4A 11P
The 19GP streak - 19G 32A 51P
The season - 25GP 22G 36A 58P

He is literally skating circles around the other players at this point...even on the PK.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2015, 08:14:41 AM
Jeremy Bracco wasn't invited to the American WJC camp. Reminder: he set NTDP records last year. They also didn't invite Conor Garland, an Arizona 5th round pick last year. Garland has 69 points in 28 games in the QMJHL so far this season. Both are considered very small, Garland is listed as 5'8" 163lbs, but if the Americans have a tough time scoring this time out these two omissions will look huge.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 07, 2015, 08:38:04 AM
Jeremy Bracco wasn't invited to the American WJC camp. Reminder: he set NTDP records last year. They also didn't invite Conor Garland, an Arizona 5th round pick last year. Garland has 69 points in 28 games in the QMJHL so far this season. Both are considered very small, Garland is listed as 5'8" 163lbs, but if the Americans have a tough time scoring this time out these two omissions will look huge.

It looks like they're using the tournament as a showcase for their NTDP and NCAA guys eh?

They are going to look really stupid.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2015, 08:50:42 AM
It looks like they're using the tournament as a showcase for their NTDP and NCAA guys eh?

They are going to look really stupid.

Alex DeBrincat has been invited, and Christian Dvorak and Matt Tkachuk are basically locks as well (the roster isn't officially being announced until this morning).

I've been looking into their projected rosters a little more since seeing the Bracco news, the Americans definitely have a very strong team this year. Especially on the wings. It seems pretty likely that both of their wings will be comprised entirely of 1st rounders (or future 1st rounders in Tkachuk's case). I'm still a little surprised that he didn't at least get invited to the camp, but he had a tougher time making this team than I thought.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 07, 2015, 09:16:24 AM
Nylander and Timashov are on Sweden's preliminary WJC roster.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2015, 09:34:52 AM
Nylander and Timashov are on Sweden's preliminary WJC roster.

And Kapanen will be joining the Finnish squad right before the tournament.

That'll be it for the Leafs. Marner, Nylander, and Kapanen will be go-to guys on their respective teams. Timashov and Dermott still need to get past the preliminary roster-stage. Dzierkals will play for Latvia in the division below the main one.

Lindgren and Korostelev were both extreme long-shots to make their teams, maybe next year.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 07, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
And Kapanen will be joining the Finnish squad right before the tournament.

That'll be it for the Leafs. Marner, Nylander, and Kapanen will be go-to guys on their respective teams. Timashov and Dermott still need to get past the preliminary roster-stage. Dzierkals will play for Latvia in the division below the main one.

Lindgren and Korostelev were both extreme long-shots to make their teams, maybe next year.

5 would be a respectable number, if both Timashov and Dermott make it, especially considering the calibre of the other 3 guys that are going. It woudl be nice for a rebuilding team to have a few more, but the Leafs have really just started getting serious about it. Hopefully, in the next few years, we'll see that number jump.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 07, 2015, 09:55:18 AM
And Kapanen will be joining the Finnish squad right before the tournament.

That'll be it for the Leafs. Marner, Nylander, and Kapanen will be go-to guys on their respective teams. Timashov and Dermott still need to get past the preliminary roster-stage. Dzierkals will play for Latvia in the division below the main one.

Lindgren and Korostelev were both extreme long-shots to make their teams, maybe next year.

5 would be a respectable number, if both Timashov and Dermott make it, especially considering the calibre of the other 3 guys that are going. It woudl be nice for a rebuilding team to have a few more, but the Leafs have really just started getting serious about it. Hopefully, in the next few years, we'll see that number jump.

And although it is definitely nice to see, it's not really indicative of anything really.  What was that year the Leafs sent a ton of players and only 1 or 2 ever became journeyman NHLers?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on December 07, 2015, 10:02:27 AM
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 07, 2015, 10:28:26 AM
And although it is definitely nice to see, it's not really indicative of anything really.  What was that year the Leafs sent a ton of players and only 1 or 2 ever became journeyman NHLers?

That one year Team Canada's defence were almost entirely Leaf prospects? It's definitely not indicative of anything, for sure. Really, what you want to see is the team having a good number of prospects that are significant contributors for the best teams in the tournament - or the clear best player on some of the lesser teams.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 07, 2015, 10:37:39 AM
That one year Team Canada's defence were almost entirely Leaf prospects? It's definitely not indicative of anything, for sure. Really, what you want to see is the team having a good number of prospects that are significant contributors for the best teams in the tournament - or the clear best player on some of the lesser teams.

Wouldn't bet against both Nylander and Marner being named to the tournament ending All-star team or whatever it is they do.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 07, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
And although it is definitely nice to see, it's not really indicative of anything really.  What was that year the Leafs sent a ton of players and only 1 or 2 ever became journeyman NHLers?

That one year Team Canada's defence were almost entirely Leaf prospects? It's definitely not indicative of anything, for sure. Really, what you want to see is the team having a good number of prospects that are significant contributors for the best teams in the tournament - or the clear best player on some of the lesser teams.

Brendan Bell!

But yeah of course I'd rather have prospects good enough to make it than not.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 16, 2015, 08:12:14 AM
So Dzierkals scored this goal last night:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvPpFSBo7g[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 16, 2015, 09:11:51 AM
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm31/leecothran/Borat-VeryNice.gif)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on December 16, 2015, 05:06:27 PM
Chuck Norris likes it too.

(http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/19586/326258-chuck_norris_thumbs_up_super.jpg)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 19, 2015, 12:55:22 AM
Dmytro Timashov got traded to the Shawinigan Cataractes.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 19, 2015, 01:52:22 AM
The Marlies trailed Wilkes-Barre Scranton 3-0 early in the 3rd period.  They score THREE short-handed goals in 2:34 and then win the game in a shoot-out.  Wow.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 19, 2015, 03:27:56 AM
Dmytro Timashov got traded to the Shawinigan Cataractes.

It's probably the insomnia speaking, but I read that as the Cataracts and it tickled me a lot more than it should have.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 19, 2015, 08:08:41 AM
Dmytro Timashov got traded to the Shawinigan Cataractes.

It's probably the insomnia speaking, but I read that as the Cataracts and it tickled me a lot more than it should have.

Cataracte in French has the same multiple meanings as cataract in English.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on December 20, 2015, 09:05:49 PM
Leafs prospects @ World Juniors:
Canada: Marner, Dermott
Sweden: Nylander, Timashov
Finland: Kapanen
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 21, 2015, 12:31:37 PM
Hunter gives his perspective on the Leaf prospects playing at the WJHC 2016:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/hunter-talks-maple-leafs-prospects-heading-to-world-juniors/:
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on December 21, 2015, 12:46:28 PM
Hunter gives his perspective on the Leaf prospects playing at the WJHC 2016:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/hunter-talks-maple-leafs-prospects-heading-to-world-juniors/:

Awesome. Way more excited about this year's WJHC for obvious reasons.

Pre-Tourney action:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/12/21/10634208/nylander-scores-timashov-named-player-of-the-game-in-6-3-win-over?utm_campaign=scottcwheeler&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Timashov (3A) player of the game in Sweden's 6-3 victory over Slovakia. Nylander with 1G1A.

There's a Sweden/Canada tune-up match on Wednesday (noon EST) for a preview of Nylander vs Marner.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 21, 2015, 12:49:42 PM

There's a Sweden/Canada tune-up match on Wednesday (noon EST) for a preview of Nylander vs Marner.

So we'll have conclusive proof of which one will have the better NHL career. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on December 21, 2015, 01:17:50 PM
Exciting to see Tymashov selected. Were all our prospects that were in the running selected?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2015, 01:30:54 PM
Exciting to see Tymashov selected. Were all our prospects that were in the running selected?

Bracco was the only surprise "snub".
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 21, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
Exciting to see Tymashov selected. Were all our prospects that were in the running selected?

Bracco was the only surprise "snub".

Not sure I'd even call that one a surprise...from what you had said before, he was on the outside looking in from the get-go.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 21, 2015, 01:53:09 PM
Timashov is actually the one I'm most interested to observe through the tournament.  I know Marner and Nylander are going to be good NHLers, but Timashov has the potential to be one of the biggest suprises of last year's draft, not just for the Leafs but maybe also overall.  I have cautious high hopes for him.

And I want to see how much Dermott is able to step up and be a steady all-around defenseman for Canada.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2015, 02:39:46 PM
Not sure I'd even call that one a surprise...from what you had said before, he was on the outside looking in from the get-go.

Sure, but it was a surprise to me until I actually digged deeper into their situation. So I imagine there were a few Leafs fans who thought he'd be on the team at first glance.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 21, 2015, 02:40:36 PM
And I want to see how much Dermott is able to step up and be a steady all-around defenseman for Canada.

Reports from practice say that he's been used primarily on the top powerplay unit with Marner and Strome.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 21, 2015, 07:23:09 PM
I'm wondering why the big T was traded? 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 21, 2015, 09:07:49 PM
I'm wondering why the big T was traded?

Quebec is rebuilding, supposedly.  Apparently they tried to trade him to Moncton but he supposedly vetoed that.  Don't know how true any of that is or whether that he has that veto power.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 26, 2015, 09:41:44 AM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: gunnar36 on December 26, 2015, 09:52:57 AM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.

Yeah they call it a hit to the head, but Nylander let his guard down and left himself in a really bad position to get throttled.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 26, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.

Why aren't we allowed to have nice things?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 26, 2015, 11:35:19 AM
they tweeted it was a huge open ice hit from the blind side. Hope he is not to badly concussed.
Any ideas of where to watch the Canada US Game on the stream?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 26, 2015, 12:11:23 PM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.

Why aren't we allowed to have nice things?

"Send Nylander to the World Juniors", they said.  "It will be a great experience for him", they said.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 26, 2015, 02:13:15 PM

This stupid sport.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on December 26, 2015, 02:19:32 PM
Now that I read the rules for the IIHF its pretty clear that was a very bad check.

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Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg on December 26, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.

Yeah they call it a hit to the head, but Nylander let his guard down and left himself in a really bad position to get throttled.

Why wouldn't they call it a hit to the head? He got hit in the head by the other player.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on December 26, 2015, 02:25:41 PM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.

Yeah they call it a hit to the head, but Nylander let his guard down and left himself in a really bad position to get throttled.

Why wouldn't they call it a hit to the head? He got hit in the head by the other player.
Yeah, I mean it was a terrible hit. His head was up and it was a blindside hit. The rules state you can't hit someone recklessly that would endanger their safety and that even if a player sees you you can in no way make principal contact with the head. Its just a bad, dirty hit.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 26, 2015, 02:33:34 PM
Nylander just got concussed in the first game.

Yeah they call it a hit to the head, but Nylander let his guard down and left himself in a really bad position to get throttled.

It was a head shot.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 26, 2015, 03:02:40 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PRHPSByY0[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 26, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Some updates:

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‏@UffeBodin
Swedish team doctor Sofia Sunnerud on the state of W Nylander: "Under the circumstances, he's feeling good". Won't say if he's concussed.

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‏@jonasTSN1050
Babcock says Leafs have been in contact with Nylander: "He's going to be fine, but any kind of blow to the head is a big deal."

Well, I guess that's sorta good news.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on December 26, 2015, 03:23:46 PM
I think it'll take a day or two to figure out the ramifications of this depressing incident.

Best case, he was just shook up, they take him out of the round robin for precautionary reasons, and he is ultimately good to go by the time the tournament kicks into gear.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Arn on December 26, 2015, 04:11:46 PM
He seemed to be able to get himself off the ice under his own steam. Obviously that doesn't tell us much cos it can take time for the effects to hit if there are any, but fingers crossed it's a good sign.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 26, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
The Leafs loaned the Porsche to Sweden and they went and wrecked it....
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 27, 2015, 01:38:38 AM
The Leafs loaned the Porsche to Sweden and they went and wrecked it....


Not completely wrecked.  It's still salvageable. :)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on December 27, 2015, 10:14:21 AM
He seemed to be able to get himself off the ice under his own steam. Obviously that doesn't tell us much cos it can take time for the effects to hit if there are any, but fingers crossed it's a good sign.
Got a Sportsnet notification that he will stay with the team.

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Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 27, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Primary indications are that it is not all that bad, he wasnt out cold which is definitely a good thing in these kind of incidents.  Hope he gets back for the quarter finals.
Kind of makes me wish the Leafs didnt expose their top talent to these kind of tourneys, there are some real goons on some of these teams.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 27, 2015, 10:59:38 AM
Latest news;  http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/wjc/2015/12/26/10667960/nylander-much-better-but-condition-still-monitored
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 27, 2015, 11:21:47 AM
Five years from now, I am going to use this concussion as the excuse as to why Nylander isn't as good as people think he should be.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 27, 2015, 11:27:46 AM
You never know with the Noggin. Look at Komarov last year after Ovechkin rang his bell, didnt look great the rest of the season and this year gangbusters.  Or someone like Crosby whom seems to be about 60% of his former self after repeated concussions.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 27, 2015, 12:01:25 PM
You never know with the Noggin. Look at Komarov last year after Ovechkin rang his bell, didnt look great the rest of the season and this year gangbusters.  Or someone like Crosby whom seems to be about 60% of his former self after repeated concussions.

Yeah, I posted that half tongue in cheek, but part is kind of concerned about the long term effects of this.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 27, 2015, 12:54:06 PM
Primary indications are that it is not all that bad, he wasnt out cold which is definitely a good thing in these kind of incidents.  Hope he gets back for the quarter finals.
Kind of makes me wish the Leafs didnt expose their top talent to these kind of tourneys, there are some real goons on some of these teams.

This actually has very little bearing on the recovery period for concussions.  The bottom line principle is that you avoid all activity until the symptoms resolve.  Having fewer symptoms is a good thing in the sense that might allow recovery physio to be implemented sooner but mild traumatic injury can still lead to weeks of recovery and I have seen more than a few athletes who get knocked out, wind up getting multiple CT scans and end up back to baseline within a week.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on December 27, 2015, 01:44:14 PM
Primary indications are that it is not all that bad, he wasnt out cold which is definitely a good thing in these kind of incidents.  Hope he gets back for the quarter finals.
Kind of makes me wish the Leafs didnt expose their top talent to these kind of tourneys, there are some real goons on some of these teams.

Actually, loss of conscious is really a non-factor when it comes to brain injuries. I hope for Nylander he's okay and can get back in the tournament in short order.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on December 27, 2015, 04:55:08 PM
Primary indications are that it is not all that bad, he wasnt out cold which is definitely a good thing in these kind of incidents.  Hope he gets back for the quarter finals.
Kind of makes me wish the Leafs didnt expose their top talent to these kind of tourneys, there are some real goons on some of these teams.

Actually, loss of conscious is really a non-factor when it comes to brain injuries. I hope for Nylander he's okay and can get back in the tournament in short order.

Does anyone think that Gardiner's concussion impacted his development?  Would he have been a more dynamic offensive d-man now if he hadn't gotten run the way he did?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 31, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
This is a bit spooky,  seems Nylander has been spotted having lunch in the hotel resto and looked fine and now this http://www.thestar.com/sports/2015/12/31/sweden-abruptly-cancels-news-conference-in-nylander-injury-mystery.html
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 31, 2015, 11:15:44 AM

They thought they were on solid footing to discuss his condition with the press, then he maybe suffered a setback.

I think we can call off Scooby and the Gang.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 31, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
Its quite a concern for vicious head hits, lets hope it is only a minor setback and that his brain is OK.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 31, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Spooky is probably the last thing this is.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2015, 12:44:33 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs found out he was going to speak at the press conference and sent an e-mail saying "yeah, that's not happening".

As for him being able to have lunch at a restaurant, well I'm not exactly sure what's spooky about that.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 31, 2015, 12:48:55 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs found out he was going to speak at the press conference and sent an e-mail saying "yeah, that's not happening".

As for him being able to have lunch at a restaurant, well I'm not exactly sure what's spooky about that.

From the article:

Quote
Feltenmark added it was the Swedish team’s decision — and not Nylander’s nor the Maple Leafs — to cancel Nylander’s participation.

My guess is that he's not progressing quite as much as they had hoped, and they suddenly realized that putting him in front of all that media when he's not 100% is a bad idea for him, for the team, for the country's hockey program, etc.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 31, 2015, 12:55:55 PM


“He’s feeling fine, but we made a late decision about him not attending this media conference,” Bergsten said. “It’s more about the attention. We called this press conference to clear things up a bit, but we decided late that William, we would like to protect him a bit.”

Bergsten didn’t say what they were protecting him from.


From the unfounded, obtrusive, and gratuitous speculation which is The Star's stock in trade?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 31, 2015, 01:01:31 PM

“He’s feeling fine, but we made a late decision about him not attending this media conference,” Bergsten said. “It’s more about the attention. We called this press conference to clear things up a bit, but we decided late that William, we would like to protect him a bit.”

Bergsten didn’t say what they were protecting him from.


From the unfounded, obtrusive, and gratuitous speculation which is The Star's stock in trade?

Reverse vampires. They're everywhere in Finland this time of year.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2015, 01:02:50 PM
From the article:

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Feltenmark added it was the Swedish team’s decision — and not Nylander’s nor the Maple Leafs — to cancel Nylander’s participation.

Yeah, I read that. The fact that they decided to clarify that is what made me think it was Lou's call ;)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on December 31, 2015, 02:00:50 PM
I think we should leave the speculation to the experts.  EVERYBODY PANAC.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2015, 02:31:27 PM
Sports Express in Sweden is claiming that is was Lou who put a kibosh on Nylander appearing at the PC:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/tre-kronor/hemliga-samtalet-stoppade-nylander/
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 31, 2015, 02:36:41 PM
Sports Express in Sweden is claiming that is was Lou who put a kibosh on Nylander appearing at the PC:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/tre-kronor/hemliga-samtalet-stoppade-nylander/

Never in doubt.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 31, 2015, 02:57:13 PM
Sports Express in Sweden is claiming that is was Lou who put a kibosh on Nylander appearing at the PC:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/tre-kronor/hemliga-samtalet-stoppade-nylander/

markhmasters: At news conference, Swedish officials were asked several times whether Leafs played role in cancelling Nylander presser, they denied that

I mean, sure, they could just not want to admit it, but, I don't see why. It would be the simplest way for them to explain what happened.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
Sports Express in Sweden is claiming that is was Lou who put a kibosh on Nylander appearing at the PC:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/tre-kronor/hemliga-samtalet-stoppade-nylander/

markhmasters: At news conference, Swedish officials were asked several times whether Leafs played role in cancelling Nylander presser, they denied that

Yeah... I mean that again sounds exactly like something Lou would have told them to say.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 31, 2015, 02:59:08 PM
Sports Express in Sweden is claiming that is was Lou who put a kibosh on Nylander appearing at the PC:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/tre-kronor/hemliga-samtalet-stoppade-nylander/

markhmasters: At news conference, Swedish officials were asked several times whether Leafs played role in cancelling Nylander presser, they denied that

Yeah... I mean that again sounds exactly like something Lou would have told them to say.

Your version of Lou is much more Mafia Don than mine.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2015, 02:59:27 PM

Oh god he's going to go collect Nylander himself!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on December 31, 2015, 07:46:34 PM

Oh god he's going to go collect Nylander himself!

I think it's a shot across Nylander's bow. Either cut your hair before your press conference, or I'll come over there and do it myself.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 31, 2015, 08:13:51 PM

Sports Express in Sweden is claiming that is was Lou who put a kibosh on Nylander appearing at the PC:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/tre-kronor/hemliga-samtalet-stoppade-nylander/

I think it's really arrogant when these Swedish papers don't bother to provide a parallel English translation. Or better yet, just publish in English instead of Swedish and leave it at that. Honestly.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: disco on December 31, 2015, 09:21:42 PM
Classic Lou  8)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 01, 2016, 01:38:52 PM

Oh god he's going to go collect Nylander himself!

I think it's a shot across Nylander's bow. Either cut your hair before your press conference, or I'll come over there and do it myself.

Maybe he didn't have a suit?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 03, 2016, 07:01:43 PM
Here is a report list of all of the Leafs' prospects, from all leagues including Europe:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-report-december/
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 04, 2016, 01:33:16 PM
Has anyone heard when we will have an update on Nylanders condition? I guess he will be going thru full evaluation as I type.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 04, 2016, 01:37:39 PM
Has anyone heard when we will have an update on Nylanders condition? I guess he will be going thru full evaluation as I type.

If previous instances where players have concussions are any indication, regular scheduled updates don't tend to be par for the course.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 05, 2016, 08:27:32 AM
Don't know what thread to throw this in but.... Kyle Dubas is up next on FAN590, around 8:30am.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2016, 08:55:52 AM
Don't know what thread to throw this in but.... Kyle Dubas is up next on FAN590, around 8:30am.

IMPORTANT NYLANDER UPDATE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR:

Dubas says the Leafs will be cautious with him, and he'll play when he's 100%.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 05, 2016, 09:03:33 AM
Don't know what thread to throw this in but.... Kyle Dubas is up next on FAN590, around 8:30am.

IMPORTANT NYLANDER UPDATE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR:

Dubas says the Leafs will be cautious with him, and he'll play when he's 100%.

ERMAGURD! I can't believe how badly the Leafs are screwing this up!!! ;D
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 05, 2016, 10:30:23 AM
I thought Dubas really burned Ron Wilson without saying a mean word.  It was great.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 05, 2016, 12:59:48 PM
Don't know what thread to throw this in but.... Kyle Dubas is up next on FAN590, around 8:30am.

IMPORTANT NYLANDER UPDATE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR:

Dubas says the Leafs will be cautious with him, and he'll play when he's 100%.

I'm wondering if Nylander wasn't fine at some point during the tournament. I have a hard time believing the Leafs would let him play another game  after that hit, regardless of how he was feeling.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 05, 2016, 01:02:27 PM
Agreed, even if he got up from that hit and did a tap dance I think he would have been pulled by Lou and crew.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 05, 2016, 01:12:15 PM
Here is a summary of Dubas' talk on The FAN sports radio, as he spoke of the Leafs prospects and their WJ performances, particularly on Nylander, Marner, Dermot, and Kapanen:

Click here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-dubas-talks-prospects-nylander-marner-kapanen/
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 05, 2016, 07:21:13 PM
Kapanen scores winner in overtime…way to go! :)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: RedLeaf on January 05, 2016, 08:03:15 PM
Kapanen scores winner in overtime…way to go! :)

The Finish hero! If that doesn't give the kid a boost of lasting confidence, I don't know what will. Good for him!! The Leaf prospects are all rounding into form quit nicely! Pretty exciting to see.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: disco on January 06, 2016, 01:51:03 AM
Kasperi Kapanen! The Golden Goal!!!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2016, 10:56:15 AM
Corey Pronman with notes on how some of the Leafs did at the WJC. Kapanen and Marner were both listed as "standouts", Timashov as a "surprise", and Nylander as a "disappointment"

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Kasperi Kapanen, RW, Toronto Maple Leafs

Kapanen's point totals weren't too gaudy (Golden Goal notwithstanding), but I was thoroughly impressed by his performance at the tournament. He was constantly making plays with the puck, dazzling with his speed and skill, but it seemed as if every chance he set up ended up right at the goaltender or getting some bad break. Kapanen is by no means a perfect player -- several NHL scouts I've talked to this season have criticized his play off the puck at times in the AHL -- but he can show dynamic talent.

Mitch Marner, C, Toronto Maple Leafs

Marner was a little up and down at the tournament, but in totality he played very well. His skill level is rare, making the kind of plays around the puck you don't often see out of the typical "high-skill" forwards. He was caught trying to do a little too much at times, and could have been a little better off the puck, but overall he created space for scoring chances, got pucks to the net and was a slippery as an eel to check (I've never held an eel, but I've heard they're quite slippery).

Dmytro Timashov, LW, Toronto Maple Leafs

Timashov was not expected to have a huge role with this year's team. In fact, he was slated as a third-line player to start the tournament. However, injuries and other players not performing up to expectations led to increased ice time and responsibility, and he continued to play well. Timashov was Sweden's most dangerous forward in the open ice, displaying high-end offensive hockey sense and hands to create plenty of scoring chances. His diminutive size and lackluster skating could get exposed at times, but overall, he was dangerous and confident with the puck on his stick.

William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs

He only scored one point in the tournament. What a bum. [Editor's note: Nylander was shut down after sustaining a head injury in Sweden's first game.]

http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/14509550/standouts-surprises-disappointments-2016-world-junior-championship-nhl
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 06, 2016, 11:08:14 AM

Aren't all fish sort of equally slippery?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: harps64 on January 06, 2016, 11:50:17 AM

Aren't all fish sort of equally slippery?

Well I've never heard the adage "slippery as a fish".
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 06, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Timashov traded to Shawnigan.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 06, 2016, 11:57:24 AM
Just an off-topic note.

Connor Garland drafted 5th round by the Yotes in the past draft is on pace for a 163 point season in the Q, having posted 137 in his draft year.

I realize he is a smallish winger, but that's insane production, I wonder if he can maintain that scoring touch at the pro level?

Could be the steal of the draft.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 06, 2016, 11:59:07 AM
Here is a video clip of a conference call Mark Hunter had with the press, he talks about all the Leafs prospects performance at the WJnrs.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 06, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Timashov traded to Shawnigan.

I confess, I see something like this and I have to admit I don't entirely understand how junior teams work.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 06, 2016, 12:03:09 PM
Timashov traded to Shawnigan.

I confess, I see something like this and I have to admit I don't entirely understand how junior teams work.

It's quite odd because Quebec is only a few points behind Shawnigan in their division, but they are both in probably the weakest division in the Q. I wonder if Quebec has decided they don't have a championship calibre team and thus are selling, it'd be a smart management move.

He cost Shawnigan a 1st and two 3rds.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
Connor Garland drafted 5th round by the Yotes in the past draft is on pace for a 163 point season in the Q, having posted 137 in his draft year.

It should be pointed out that he was actually draft eligible in 2014, but wasn't selected. He scored 54 points in 51 games that season. So what he did as a 18-year old last season is pretty close to what Timashov is doing as a 18-year old this season.

His numbers are still definitely impressive, but there's a bit more context to look at.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 06, 2016, 08:33:47 PM

Ah man right in the feels
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 06, 2016, 08:49:26 PM

Well, I'm still pulling for Matthews or one of the Fins but Nylander would make for an ok consolation prize.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 07, 2016, 12:32:47 PM
Noticed that Dominic Toninato had a hat-trick the other day against the US development league under 18 team.
I have a feeling about this kid, don't know why.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 08, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
Article on Timashov today: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/predicting-points-for-maple-leafs-prospect-timashov/
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 10, 2016, 07:17:37 PM
Timshov has 7 points (1 G, 6 A) in his first 2 games with Shawinigan.  Now has 1.94 PPG which is 2nd in the Q behind Garland
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 10, 2016, 07:25:03 PM
Maple Leafs Hot Stove with their January prospect tracker:

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2016/01/10/toronto-maple-leafs-2015-16-prospect-tracker-january-10-update/
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
Corey Pronman released his midseason top-50 prospects list. Strome leapfrogged past Marner and Nylander to take the top spot, but those two are ranked right behind him. Here's the Leafs bits:

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2. Mitch Marner, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 4)
Age: 18 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 163
Team: London (OHL) | GP: 27 | G: 24 | A: 37

I love watching Marner play because he has such an exciting element to his game. His combination of speed, hands and hockey IQ are so rare to find. He's incredibly elusive and creative while playing at a quick tempo, which is why I feel he can make the same elite skill plays at the NHL level and has the potential to be a star. Sure, he's not perfect, as his size and physical game can improve, but his defense isn't too much of a hole.

3. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 6)
Age: 19 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 190
Team: Toronto (AHL) | GP: 27 | G: 14 | A: 20

Nylander had been having one of the best seasons ever by a teenager in the AHL, but a swift blow to the head at the WJC has put question marks on his health for the rest of the season. When healthy, he's a filthy offensive weapon, with high-end if not elite speed, hands and passing skills; he has shown significant improvement on working to win battles and hold his defensive position, although that will never be his selling point.

26. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 29)
Age: 19 | Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 181
Team: Toronto (AHL) | GP: 17 | G: 5 | A: 5

Kapanen is by no means a perfect prospect. Several NHL scouts I've talked to this season can provide a list of things he can improve on away from the puck, such as his physical play. However, he is so dynamic, with so much offensive potential that it's hard to not be excited about him. Kapanen's speed and hands are top-end, and he can be so hard to contain coming through the neutral zone or when he gets the puck with space.

44. Connor Brown, RW, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 72)
Age: 22 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 161
Team: Toronto (AHL) | GP: 8 | G: 0 | A: 4

A late cut from Toronto's camp, Brown looked great to start his second AHL season, but an injury has kept him out since the early weeks. The report on him is pretty much the same one from the summer. He's a very intelligent two-way forward with decent-to-solid speed and hands, and a great work ethic. Stay tuned.

Dermott was given an HM.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/14566672/top-50-prospects-following-world-junior-championship-nhl
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 14, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
Corey Pronman released his midseason top-50 prospects list. Strome leapfrogged past Marner and Nylander to take the top spot, but those two are ranked right behind him. Here's the Leafs bits:

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2. Mitch Marner, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 4)
Age: 18 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 163
Team: London (OHL) | GP: 27 | G: 24 | A: 37

I love watching Marner play because he has such an exciting element to his game. His combination of speed, hands and hockey IQ are so rare to find. He's incredibly elusive and creative while playing at a quick tempo, which is why I feel he can make the same elite skill plays at the NHL level and has the potential to be a star. Sure, he's not perfect, as his size and physical game can improve, but his defense isn't too much of a hole.

3. William Nylander, C, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 6)
Age: 19 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 190
Team: Toronto (AHL) | GP: 27 | G: 14 | A: 20

Nylander had been having one of the best seasons ever by a teenager in the AHL, but a swift blow to the head at the WJC has put question marks on his health for the rest of the season. When healthy, he's a filthy offensive weapon, with high-end if not elite speed, hands and passing skills; he has shown significant improvement on working to win battles and hold his defensive position, although that will never be his selling point.

26. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 29)
Age: 19 | Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 181
Team: Toronto (AHL) | GP: 17 | G: 5 | A: 5

Kapanen is by no means a perfect prospect. Several NHL scouts I've talked to this season can provide a list of things he can improve on away from the puck, such as his physical play. However, he is so dynamic, with so much offensive potential that it's hard to not be excited about him. Kapanen's speed and hands are top-end, and he can be so hard to contain coming through the neutral zone or when he gets the puck with space.

44. Connor Brown, RW, Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous: 72)
Age: 22 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 161
Team: Toronto (AHL) | GP: 8 | G: 0 | A: 4

A late cut from Toronto's camp, Brown looked great to start his second AHL season, but an injury has kept him out since the early weeks. The report on him is pretty much the same one from the summer. He's a very intelligent two-way forward with decent-to-solid speed and hands, and a great work ethic. Stay tuned.

Dermott was given an HM.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/14566672/top-50-prospects-following-world-junior-championship-nhl

That's interesting, what was the reasoning with Strome?

Seems like he is having the weakest year of the three, was it his play in the WJnrs?

Any chance you could post his reasoning? I'm not an ESPN insider.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2016, 11:48:31 AM
That's interesting, what was the reasoning with Strome?

Seems like he is having the weakest year of the three, was it his play in the WJnrs?

Any chance you could post his reasoning? I'm not an ESPN insider.

He said that it was a coin-flip between him and Marner, but that Strome's WJC play would tilt the coin more his way.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 14, 2016, 12:27:41 PM
Strome was the best Canuk on the WJ Team
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on January 14, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
That's interesting, what was the reasoning with Strome?

Seems like he is having the weakest year of the three, was it his play in the WJnrs?

Any chance you could post his reasoning? I'm not an ESPN insider.

He said that it was a coin-flip between him and Marner, but that Strome's WJC play would tilt the coin more his way.

Mmm, recency bias. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ha1TKFMId0
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 17, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
Kapanen makes a totally sick pass, http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/1/16/10781006/kapanen-goes-to-his-knees-to-pass-to-soshnikov
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 17, 2016, 11:42:55 PM
Chris Johnston tweets that Nylander has been reactivated to the Marlies' roster.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on January 18, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
Slow start for Marner coming back from the World Juniors.  6 points in 5 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on January 18, 2016, 09:44:10 AM
Slow start for Marner coming back from the World Juniors.  6 points in 5 games.

I don't know what it is about him but he always seems to start off slow.

Christian Dvorak is playing on another level right now.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 19, 2016, 09:38:18 PM
Just 1 assist for Marner in London's 5-4 win over Kitchener. Jeremy Bracco had 3 assists.

Bracco hasn't really been talked about much, but he has 43 points in 30 games. And 13 points in his last 7 games now.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 23, 2016, 04:12:54 PM
Connor Brown set to play this weekend?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 23, 2016, 05:59:09 PM
Connor Brown set to play this weekend?

Sounds like he'll play tomorrow. Next weekend might be a reasonable return date for Nylander too. He's practicing with the team now in a non-contact jersey. Not like the Marlies even need these guys though.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 23, 2016, 06:03:38 PM
Connor Brown set to play this weekend?

Sounds like he'll play tomorrow. Next weekend might be a reasonable return date for Nylander too. He's practicing with the team now in a non-contact jersey. Not like the Marlies even need these guys though.

Yeah, they really don't but it's good to see him back, Nylander too hopefully.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 24, 2016, 01:57:41 PM
Brown is in fact in the lineup today.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 24, 2016, 03:18:27 PM
And Brown scores.

EDIT: Make that 2 goals in the 1st period for Brown.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: lamajama on January 24, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
I don't think the Marlies are getting nearly enough credit for what they are doing this season.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: sickbeast on January 24, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
I think next year will be much better for the Leafs with all these great prospects coming up.  Nylander and Marner should both make a big impact.  Both should score a lot of goals and that's what the Leafs are missing right now.  Plus they should have another high draft pick after this season plus the picks they got from Pittsburgh for Kessel.  Things are finally starting to look better in Leaf Land.  I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.  There is still a long way to go if they want to be a true contender for the cup though.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on January 24, 2016, 07:42:59 PM
Pitts still has to make the playoffs though... They're better than earlier but its still quite dicey.

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Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: sickbeast on January 24, 2016, 07:52:11 PM
Pitts still has to make the playoffs though... They're better than earlier but its still quite dicey.

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Doesn't that just change the late first round pick into a second or something like that though?  That was a confusing aspect of the Kessel trade.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on January 24, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
IIRC the first rounder comes off the table entirely, no conversion, if they miss 2016 & 2017

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Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: sickbeast on January 24, 2016, 08:43:46 PM
Oh man that's pretty bad.  That was a gamble on behalf of the Leafs.  I guess they just really wanted rid of Kessel.  I think it was a good move for the Leafs in retrospect.  I know Babcock is largely responsible for the team's turnaround this season but I just know that Kessel would have thrown a huge monkey wrench into the plan.  I think he was a bad influence on Kadri in particular.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on January 25, 2016, 08:26:46 PM
The Marlies GF/GA is +67.  The next best team is Wilkes-Barrie at +40
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 25, 2016, 10:13:20 PM
I think Pittsburg will make the playoffs and we will get our pick. They have seemed to turn things around and Crosby seems to have waken up.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 26, 2016, 08:33:14 AM
Andrew Nielsen is handily leading the WHL in defenseman scoring, with 12-39-51 in 48 games.  Next best in the WHL is 44 points.  In no small part because his Lethbridge team is by far the highest scoring team in the league, but still good to see.

And Dmytro Timashov still leads the Quebec Remparts in scoring, despite having only played 29 games for them this year, picking up 53 points.  The guy one point behind him has played 47 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on January 26, 2016, 09:39:42 AM
Andrew Nielsen is handily leading the WHL in defenseman scoring, with 12-39-51 in 48 games.  Next best in the WHL is 44 points.  In no small part because his Lethbridge team is by far the highest scoring team in the league, but still good to see.

And Dmytro Timashov still leads the Quebec Remparts in scoring, despite having only played 29 games for them this year, picking up 53 points.  The guy one point behind him has played 47 games.

Although Timashov got traded to Shawinigan where he has 11 points in 7 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Crucialness Key on January 26, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
Andrew Nielsen is handily leading the WHL in defenseman scoring, with 12-39-51 in 48 games.  Next best in the WHL is 44 points.  In no small part because his Lethbridge team is by far the highest scoring team in the league, but still good to see.

And Dmytro Timashov still leads the Quebec Remparts in scoring, despite having only played 29 games for them this year, picking up 53 points.  The guy one point behind him has played 47 games.

Although Timashov got traded to Shawinigan where he has 11 points in 7 games.

Do you mean Timashov then has 53 points in 40 total games?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2016, 09:45:35 AM
Andrew Nielsen is handily leading the WHL in defenseman scoring, with 12-39-51 in 48 games.  Next best in the WHL is 44 points.  In no small part because his Lethbridge team is by far the highest scoring team in the league, but still good to see.

And Dmytro Timashov still leads the Quebec Remparts in scoring, despite having only played 29 games for them this year, picking up 53 points.  The guy one point behind him has played 47 games.

Although Timashov got traded to Shawinigan where he has 11 points in 7 games.

Do you mean Timashov then has 53 points in 40 total games?

He has 64 points in 36 games total this year.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on January 26, 2016, 11:06:47 AM
Nylander taking part in his first full contact practice. Man, he's been out quite a while.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 26, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
Nylander taking part in his first full contact practice. Man, he's been out quite a while.

Remember when there was talk he might play in the medal rounds? If the Leafs were the ones to squash that idea then thank god they did.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 26, 2016, 11:08:26 AM
Nylander taking part in his first full contact practice. Man, he's been out quite a while.

1 month exactly today right?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 26, 2016, 11:13:12 AM
Keefe says Nylander is likely to return in one of their two games this coming weekend.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on January 26, 2016, 11:22:54 AM
Nylander taking part in his first full contact practice. Man, he's been out quite a while.

Remember when there was talk he might play in the medal rounds? If the Leafs were the ones to squash that idea then thank god they did.

That was just bonkers. I think the Leafs must've had their hands all over this RE: The press conference, bringing him home/shutting him down, Lou going over.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 26, 2016, 11:27:09 AM
Nylander taking part in his first full contact practice. Man, he's been out quite a while.

Remember when there was talk he might play in the medal rounds? If the Leafs were the ones to squash that idea then thank god they did.

That was just bonkers. I think the Leafs must've had their hands all over this RE: The press conference, bringing him home/shutting him down, Lou going over.

Come to think of it I haven't seen Peter Forsberg since Lou went over...
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 26, 2016, 11:33:16 AM
Come to think of it I haven't seen Peter Forsberg since Lou went over...

Peter Forsberg is now just Stephane Robidas in disguise.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 26, 2016, 12:33:00 PM
Great news on Nylander, probably erred on the side of caution for some time now. Hopefully he will not have a repeat incident.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on January 26, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Great news on Nylander, probably erred on the side of caution for some time now. Hopefully he will not have a repeat incident.

They absolutely erred on the side of caution when it came to his return trip to Toronto.  Everything else was pretty much just textbook concussion recovery.  They went by the book and didn't advance him to activity until he was symptom free.

It's interesting though.  There is some literature in younger kids that getting them involved in very light activity post-concussion isn't the worst thing for them.  I personally don't use that philosophy when I see kids after head injuries but there are some studies out there that advocate very light non-contact activity isn't the worst thing after the 48 hour quiet period.

As for Nylander and playing/not playing in the medal round.  That was always speculation.  When he had symptoms still he was never going to play.  A typical 7-10 day recovery period would have had him ready to play in the medal round if he recovered right away and if he was symptom free that likely would have happened.  It likely had absolutely nothing to do with the Leafs making that decision for Sweden.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 26, 2016, 12:44:03 PM
It's interesting though.  There is some literature in younger kids that getting them involved in very light activity post-concussion isn't the worst thing for them.  I personally don't use that philosophy when I see kids after head injuries but there are some studies out there that advocate very light non-contact activity isn't the worst thing after the 48 hour quiet period.

There was talk about Nylander being on the exercise bike bike a few days after the hit.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on January 26, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
Keefe says Nylander is likely to return in one of their two games this coming weekend.

Nylander, Leipsic, Kapanen, Brown, Morin, Gauthier, Soshnikov, Bailey, Hyman, Arcobello, Frattin, Carrick

That's a pretty ridiculous top 12.  Then you still have a guy like Ryan Rupert  with 11 points in 25 games and is a +12 who probably isn't going to be in the lineup.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 26, 2016, 01:48:13 PM
Great news on Nylander, probably erred on the side of caution for some time now. Hopefully he will not have a repeat incident.

They absolutely erred on the side of caution when it came to his return trip to Toronto.  Everything else was pretty much just textbook concussion recovery.  They went by the book and didn't advance him to activity until he was symptom free.

It's interesting though.  There is some literature in younger kids that getting them involved in very light activity post-concussion isn't the worst thing for them.  I personally don't use that philosophy when I see kids after head injuries but there are some studies out there that advocate very light non-contact activity isn't the worst thing after the 48 hour quiet period.

As for Nylander and playing/not playing in the medal round.  That was always speculation.  When he had symptoms still he was never going to play.  A typical 7-10 day recovery period would have had him ready to play in the medal round if he recovered right away and if he was symptom free that likely would have happened.  It likely had absolutely nothing to do with the Leafs making that decision for Sweden.

What do you do LK?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on January 26, 2016, 01:54:27 PM
Great news on Nylander, probably erred on the side of caution for some time now. Hopefully he will not have a repeat incident.

They absolutely erred on the side of caution when it came to his return trip to Toronto.  Everything else was pretty much just textbook concussion recovery.  They went by the book and didn't advance him to activity until he was symptom free.

It's interesting though.  There is some literature in younger kids that getting them involved in very light activity post-concussion isn't the worst thing for them.  I personally don't use that philosophy when I see kids after head injuries but there are some studies out there that advocate very light non-contact activity isn't the worst thing after the 48 hour quiet period.

As for Nylander and playing/not playing in the medal round.  That was always speculation.  When he had symptoms still he was never going to play.  A typical 7-10 day recovery period would have had him ready to play in the medal round if he recovered right away and if he was symptom free that likely would have happened.  It likely had absolutely nothing to do with the Leafs making that decision for Sweden.

What do you do LK?

This recent photo of LK should give it away:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/5/5e/Dr._Riviera.png)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
Great news on Nylander, probably erred on the side of caution for some time now. Hopefully he will not have a repeat incident.

They absolutely erred on the side of caution when it came to his return trip to Toronto.  Everything else was pretty much just textbook concussion recovery.  They went by the book and didn't advance him to activity until he was symptom free.

It's interesting though.  There is some literature in younger kids that getting them involved in very light activity post-concussion isn't the worst thing for them.  I personally don't use that philosophy when I see kids after head injuries but there are some studies out there that advocate very light non-contact activity isn't the worst thing after the 48 hour quiet period.

As for Nylander and playing/not playing in the medal round.  That was always speculation.  When he had symptoms still he was never going to play.  A typical 7-10 day recovery period would have had him ready to play in the medal round if he recovered right away and if he was symptom free that likely would have happened.  It likely had absolutely nothing to do with the Leafs making that decision for Sweden.

What do you do LK?

He runs guns for a Columbian drug cartel.  Geez can't you see that?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 26, 2016, 02:13:10 PM

What do you do LK?

This recent photo of LK should give it away:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/5/5e/Dr._Riviera.png)

Here's another:

(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b455/fvanderveen1/30%20rock%20doctor_zpsd1uisrwo.jpg)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 26, 2016, 03:02:45 PM
So he's a drug-running Columbian pseudoscientist, who apparently is a big fan of OHL hockey. Got it!  :D
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 26, 2016, 03:34:44 PM
So he's a drug-running Columbian pseudoscientist, who apparently is a big fan of OHL hockey. Got it!  :D

To be fair, he doesn't run the drugs, just their guns.  He himself may or may not be Columbian.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 26, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
Keefe says Nylander is likely to return in one of their two games this coming weekend.

He's 8 points behind the AHL scoring lead with 32 games left to play.  He's trailing guys who have played 13-16 more games than he has.  Assuming he can resume his season scoring rate of 1.26PPG, he's likely got just enough time and games left to still win the scoring crown, though it'll likely be close.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 26, 2016, 04:46:29 PM
Andrew Nielsen is handily leading the WHL in defenseman scoring, with 12-39-51 in 48 games.  Next best in the WHL is 44 points.  In no small part because his Lethbridge team is by far the highest scoring team in the league, but still good to see.

And Dmytro Timashov still leads the Quebec Remparts in scoring, despite having only played 29 games for them this year, picking up 53 points.  The guy one point behind him has played 47 games.

Although Timashov got traded to Shawinigan where he has 11 points in 7 games.

Yeah, I failed to mention that.  I had been looking up his stats to see how he was doing and was amused to see he was still leading the Remparts despite getting traded and playing in the WJC.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 26, 2016, 05:28:53 PM
LK is a Doctor but does not play one on TV
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 28, 2016, 07:50:31 PM
when I start to think what we have seen in Nylander, Brown, Kapanen, Leipsic, Timashov and this kid: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/twigs/2016/1/28/10863912/leafs-prospect-andreas-johsnon-with-exciting-game-winner
With a top 4 pick this draft, it makes me very excited to think about the future with Babs to lead these kids.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 30, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
Pretty smooth foot-fake by Bracco here to score for Kitchener:  http://kitchenerrangers.com/video/72506

What a skater.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 01, 2016, 12:15:30 AM
Dmytro Timashov had 1 goal and 3 primary assists tonight, including an assist on the OT winner for Shawinigan.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on February 01, 2016, 07:14:59 PM
Marner has been playing hurt after getting slashed against Guelph a few weeks ago
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on February 01, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
AHL All-star game(s) going on tonight.  Similar to the NHL they are using their OT format but are doing a full round robin with the four divisions.

Josh Leivo scored with 36 seconds left in the first game to give his team a 1-0 win.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on February 01, 2016, 11:05:37 PM
Marner has been playing hurt after getting slashed against Guelph a few weeks ago
Oh yeah? Kinda explains his slow return. Although he's still doing well.

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Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 10, 2016, 11:12:49 AM
We have a Champion my friends!!

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/twigs/2016/2/9/10952004/andreas-johnson-is-officially-a-european-hockey-champion
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 10, 2016, 06:35:52 PM
We have a Champion my friends!!

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/twigs/2016/2/9/10952004/andreas-johnson-is-officially-a-european-hockey-champion


Feels good!  Hail to the champ!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 10, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
Tobias Lindberg: No stranger to the Leafs...

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2016/2/9/10951096/who-is-new-leafs-prospect-tobias-lindberg
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2016, 11:36:34 AM
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on February 19, 2016, 11:44:48 AM
Truculence.   8)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on February 19, 2016, 11:44:49 AM
It really bothers me when people say "not a good look" for this team or that.  I don't know why but it does.  I feel like it's a way for the author to subtly try to make whatever they are referring to worse in a broader scope, like the Leafs organization as a whole needs to wear this one.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 19, 2016, 11:47:00 AM
Instead of the Broad Street Bullys we can be the new "Wild Bunch". By the way they are making a remake of the Peckinpah classic. Can't see why!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
This is the "brutal" Dermott hit as Sportsnet calls it: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-prospect-dermott-ejected-for-brutal-hit/

I'm genuinely not even sure if that's a penalty. He received a 5-game suspension for it.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on February 19, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
This is the "brutal" Dermott hit as Sportsnet calls it: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-prospect-dermott-ejected-for-brutal-hit/

I'm genuinely not even sure if that's a penalty. He received a 5-game suspension for it.

Wait, that was the hit!?  I remember seeing that going around the same day it happened and I think it was going around as in "look at this big hit by Dermott" and he got 5 games for that?  What?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2016, 11:58:20 AM
Bracco was also suspended for 5 games but I haven't been able to find any video of it. He cross-checked an opposing player in the throat, and received a match penalty + game misconduct.

I have read a few people suggest that the player he hit sold it quite a bit by snapping his head back, so I have doubts that even that was worth 5-games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on February 19, 2016, 11:59:37 AM
OHL is also kind of insane with their discipline.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2016, 12:06:12 PM
Wait, that was the hit!?  I remember seeing that going around the same day it happened and I think it was going around as in "look at this big hit by Dermott" and he got 5 games for that?  What?

They called it a check to the head. He hits him square in the shoulder/chest. Zero head contact from Dermott there.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 19, 2016, 12:14:06 PM
That's what Dermott got suspended for? That's an awkward hit, sure, but definitely not suspension worthy. I agree that even a penalty on that one is questionable.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 19, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
OHL is also kind of insane with their discipline.

Which is pretty understandable for a league that's ostensibly amateur and developmental.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
Dermott's looked like a clean hit to me too.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 19, 2016, 03:08:43 PM
Dermott's looked like a clean hit to me too.


Same to me. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Arn on February 20, 2016, 06:08:33 PM
This is the "brutal" Dermott hit as Sportsnet calls it: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-prospect-dermott-ejected-for-brutal-hit/

I'm genuinely not even sure if that's a penalty. He received a 5-game suspension for it.

Wait, that was the hit!?  I remember seeing that going around the same day it happened and I think it was going around as in "look at this big hit by Dermott" and he got 5 games for that?  What?

"That was head-first body-first".

Whatever that means.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on February 21, 2016, 02:41:43 AM
Yawn.  Marner with 1G 3A 4P in a 4-0 win over Flint.  94 points in 45 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 21, 2016, 10:23:33 AM
Man if he can't do better than that we have to move him out ;)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2016, 10:18:28 AM
Andreas Johnson dishing it to Kristian Vesalainen (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=222125) (Draft eligible 2017), who is so surprised the pass actually made it through that he shanked the finish.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 24, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
would you like some tea and crumpets with that saucer pass?  Nice.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Meet Anatoly Goloshev.

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/2/28/meet-anatoly-golyshev-who-might-be-the-world-s-best-unsigned-prospect

Quote
The "free wallet". Brian Burke popularized the phrase in the hockey world in the midst of his tenure with the Maple Leafs, to signify young, unrestricted free agent prospects added to the team without having to give up any form of compensation. The premise was sensible, even if most of his wallets turned out to have been empty. After all, why wouldn't you want to stock your cupboards up with as many potential NHLers as possible?

The hockey world stretches across many leagues in many countries, and in those leagues, you'll find a ton of players that are free to be picked off by NHL teams. Most aren't worth the aggravation, but every so often, somebody sticks out and catches the eye of the rest of the world.

But what if I told you that the best of these thousands of players isn't getting even the slightest bit of attention and that he's hidden in plain sight? Enter Anatoly Golyshev.

Golyshev is a 21-year-old winger born in Perm, Russia. If his name sounds familiar to you, that's because he's played in Toronto before as a member of Russia's 2015 World Junior Team, on a roster that included Toronto Marlies defenceman and Leafs prospect Rinat Valiev. He wasn't particularly notable, however; head coach Valeri Bragin was far from a fan of his, limiting his minutes and declaring that he didn't have much of a chance of becoming a regular professional player.

It was a weird statement, given that he was already well on his way. He was 11th in MHL (Russia's top junior league) scoring as a 17-turned-18-year-old in 2012/13 and was in the midst of his second KHL season. While he wasn't lighting up the league, he was doing more than most teenagers. Despite playing 13 minutes night, he managed 19 points in 44 games; good for the eighth-best scoring rate by a 19-year-old in the KHL. Most of the players above him have turned out pretty good; Evgeny Kuznetsov, Nail Yakupov (lockout year), Artemi Panarin, and Vladamir Tarasenko were the lines he was chasing. It was only a matter of time before Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg, who's system he had been in for several years, would finally give him a chance at being a star.

This year, they increased his minutes and threw him into offensive situations. In an even bolder move, they also named him alternate captain. Let me tell you, did all of it ever pay off.

I really hope the Leafs can convince him and Zaitsev to come over.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 07, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
I really hope the Leafs can convince him and Zaitsev to come over.

Me too. I've always loved the way Russian teams played; Alexander Mogilny on Sundin's wing was a sight to behold even when he was on the tail end of his career.

This guy is not going to be Mogilny, but more players like Soshnikov will always be welcomed. I love that our team is tapping into 'undersized' players with tremendous skill, speed, and smarts.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 07, 2016, 10:46:37 AM
Ya the league has changed so much in the last few years, size is being outweighed by speed. The game is only going to get faster and faster. Especially when they announce jet boot skates.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 07, 2016, 12:05:47 PM
Ya the league has changed so much in the last few years, size is being outweighed by speed. The game is only going to get faster and faster. Especially when they announce jet boot skates.

(http://ci.memecdn.com/282/2315282.jpg)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on March 07, 2016, 03:01:22 PM
If the Leafs were to secure Goloshev, Zaitsev and say Vesey, they'd be pretty cramped for ice time, something would have to give in a trade.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 07, 2016, 03:10:36 PM
If the Leafs were to secure Goloshev, Zaitsev and say Vesey, they'd be pretty cramped for ice time, something would have to give in a trade.

I'd say that's a problem you want to have.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on March 07, 2016, 03:26:46 PM
If the Leafs were to secure Goloshev, Zaitsev and say Vesey, they'd be pretty cramped for ice time, something would have to give in a trade.

I'd say that's a problem you want to have.

No doubt, also they'd be a pretty young team, another good problem.

Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 07, 2016, 03:50:04 PM
In the next couple of years some very good players are going to have problems making the Leafs.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on March 07, 2016, 09:28:44 PM
Just for illustration, they'd probably carry an extra D instead of 3 forwards, yadda, but with signing those three and dropping all ufa's ( and buying out Cowen ) they'd have around 5 mil in cap space without engaging LTIR coverage. The Leafs could really wheel and deal with that kind of flex, maybe a bit more if the cap doesn't remain static. I figure 10 mil between Kadri and Rielly is fair. Carrick, Corrado and Sparks probably get a little more, I didn't adjust for them, also that's with Brown, Leivo, Leipsic and Marincin in the minors and I traded Holland etc. for magic beans.

J. Van Riemsdyk ($ 4,250,000) --- N. Kadri ($ 5,000,000) --- M. Michalek ($ 4,000,000)
N. Soshnikov ($ 736,666) --- W. Nylander ($ 894,166) --- L. Komarov ($ 2,950,000)
J. Lupul ($ 5,250,000) --- T. Bozak ($ 4,200,000) --- Z. Hyman ($ 900,000)
J. Vesey ($ 925,000) --- B. Laich ($ 4,500,000) --- C. Greening ($ 2,650,000)

M. Hunwick ($ 1,200,000) --- M. Rielly ($ 5,000,000)
J. Gardiner ($ 4,050,000) --- F. Corrado ($ 632,500)
C. Carrick ($ 636,667) --- N. Zaitsev ($ 925,000)

J. Bernier ($ 4,150,000) --- G. Sparks ($ 670,000)

M. Marner ($ 925,000) --- K. Kapanen ($ 894,166) --- A. Goloshev ($ 925,000)

2015 NHL Cap Limit: $ 71,400,000
23 Player Roster Cap Used: $ 64,564,165
Cap Buried in the Minors: + $ 0
Cap Hit from Buyout(s): + $ 1,333,333
Cap Retained in Trades : + $ 1,200,000
Cap Credit : - $ 650,000
Cap Space Available : $ 5,302,502

Also, that's without draft considerations or Stamkos, making it even funner.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 08, 2016, 08:33:26 AM
For comparison, Bob McKenzie's projected lineup:
(http://i.imgur.com/QACz5ai.jpg)

One additional thing to note in this team building exercise, is that Lou prefers his teams to be built in thirds: one third veterans, one third in their prime, one third youth.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2016, 09:58:58 AM
I would suggest that Lupul is going to go to Robidas Island, where he can lounge around with Horton and Robi!
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 08, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
For comparison, Bob McKenzie's projected lineup:
(http://i.imgur.com/QACz5ai.jpg)

One additional thing to note in this team building exercise, is that Lou prefers his teams to be built in thirds: one third veterans, one third in their prime, one third youth.

So Marner goes back to the OHL?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 08, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
So Marner goes back to the OHL?

He mentioned that Marner would be the 13th forward and that the Leafs would need to find room for him if he needs more playing time. Also said they'd likely keep him until at least the World Juniors and then potentially make a decision about sending him back afterward, like the Oilers did with Draisaitl. All speculative at this point though of course.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: RedLeaf on March 08, 2016, 10:56:41 AM
For comparison, Bob McKenzie's projected lineup:
(http://i.imgur.com/QACz5ai.jpg)

One additional thing to note in this team building exercise, is that Lou prefers his teams to be built in thirds: one third veterans, one third in their prime, one third youth.

So Marner goes back to the OHL?
Yep. And Stamkos slots in as part of the group of players in their prime, along with JVR, Komorov, Kadri and Bozak. Still need a veteran defenseman.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 08, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
Some trades at the draft or packages including our existing UFA vets would open up spots for Marner, Brown.

I personally wouldn't mind running even 10 kids next year if we can cleanly clear out the vets we don't need. The benefit of pulling in Nylander, Carrick, and Sparks for the final stretch is that they wouldn't really be rookies going into next year. Soshnikov and Hyman will have that benefit as well seeing as how Lupul and JvR are done for the year, and Froese and PAP are still out.

Running Leivo, Leipsic and maybe Sam Carrick means we don't really need to sign any UFAs up front.

I'm also not worried about the Edmonton rebuild issue of having too many kids in the lineup; that situation was very different in its lack of structure and support systems on and off the team for the kids. Here, even vets are getting skating lessons.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: McGarnagle on March 08, 2016, 08:05:22 PM
I personally wouldn't mind running even 10 kids next year if we can cleanly clear out the vets we don't need.

I dunno. I love the idea of just throwing the Marlies out there next season, but I think it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence, and it would likely be more beneficial for some of the kids to be playing top minutes at the AHL level than 3rd or 4th line duty in the NHL. There also has to be some form of internal competition for icetime throughout the season to keep players working hard - there has to be some sort of structure there.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 09, 2016, 09:13:36 AM
I personally wouldn't mind running even 10 kids next year if we can cleanly clear out the vets we don't need.

I dunno. I love the idea of just throwing the Marlies out there next season, but I think it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence, and it would likely be more beneficial for some of the kids to be playing top minutes at the AHL level than 3rd or 4th line duty in the NHL. There also has to be some form of internal competition for icetime throughout the season to keep players working hard - there has to be some sort of structure there.

On the whole, I agree with you. Guys like Kapanen, Lindberg, and Bibeau could use time as the #1s of their respective positions next season in the AHL.

I'm thinking more along the lines of players who a) have nothing left to prove in the AHL: Nylander, Hyman, Soshnikov, C. Carrick, Leipsic; and b) are at the point in their development curve that it is make or break: Leivo, S. Carrick, Percy.

If we pick top 3, that guy (Matthew/Laine/Puljujarvi) is almost a shoo-in for the NHL having all played (and excelled) against men in their respective leagues. Add Marner, who really can't go anywhere else. That's already 10 before you fill in gaps with guys like Loov, Valiev, Sparks, or pickups like Zaitsev. Fortunately, in that list of 10-12ish players, most have had, or will have had a good look in the NHL, with only a small handful of true rookies to shepherd.

How many character veterans does a team that's not expected to reach the playoffs really need when there is also Babcock (and Lou) at the helm, and super-skilled prime time players like Kadri and Rielly toeing the company line? I'm thinking 4-5 would be sufficient: Laich, Lupul, Hunwick, and Robidas.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 09, 2016, 09:29:35 AM
I don't know if I'd call Laine and Puljujarvi shoo-ins for the NHL next season, at least not with the Leafs. The fact that they're being drafted out of Europe means they can play in the AHL immediately (Matthews can too, but obviously won't). So if they're being developed by the Leafs I wouldn't be surprised if they at least start with the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 09, 2016, 09:32:52 AM
I don't know if I'd call Laine and Puljujarvi shoo-ins for the NHL next season, at least not with the Leafs. The fact that they're being drafted out of Europe means they can play in the AHL immediately (Matthews can too, but obviously won't). So if they're being developed by the Leafs I wouldn't be surprised if they at least start with the Marlies.

That crossed my mind too (and it would be nice for Kapanen and whoever centres that line). It's still 9 players who probably should get NHL looks in a year that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 09, 2016, 09:39:18 AM
The Marlies are also looking at another pretty big injection of youth next season. I mentioned potentially Laine and Puljujarvi, but there's also: Timashov, Dermott, Nielsen, and Johnson. I believe Bracco would be eligible to play in the AHL too but he'll probably be sent back to the OHL for another season.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 09, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
There will be a lot of young players/kids in the lineup next year, but some of the guys people are penciling in to the roster might not quite be ready to be full-time NHLers yet. There's no reason to just push kids into the lineup to jsut have them there. The guys that are ready need to be there. The guys that aren't need to be somewhere else - and that probably includes guys like Brown, Kapanen, etc., who might be ready, but aren't quite as advanced as Nylander, Shoshnikov, etc.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 09, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
I hope we can spin off some packages at the draft of vets or prime players on the older side (JvR, primarily) with tweeners who need a change of scenery for prospects with upside and futures.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 09, 2016, 10:31:29 AM

I dunno. I love the idea of just throwing the Marlies out there next season, but I think it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence, and it would likely be more beneficial for some of the kids to be playing top minutes at the AHL level than 3rd or 4th line duty in the NHL. There also has to be some form of internal competition for icetime throughout the season to keep players working hard - there has to be some sort of structure there.

I really only think that's true if the players aren't yet capable of playing a 3rd or 4th line role with the Leafs. Otherwise it's tough to argue that players wouldn't learn more with the big club getting coached by Babcock.

Keep in mind that we're not talking about old time 4th lines here. Against Buffalo the 4th line got nearly 12 minutes of ice time. That's a pretty regular shift. So long as players are capable of contributing while here and there's room to reward good play with advancement(and "what will we do with all of these players who are clearly first liners?" is not a problem the Leafs are likely to have next year) then I really think the NHL is the best place to develop talented young players.   
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 09, 2016, 12:42:59 PM
So where does Vesey slot into this whole mess? Humor me here.  ;)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 09, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
Looks like we have so many talented players and to few spots. I guess guys like Timashov, Bracco, Dzerkles, etc. are going to play for the Marlies at least 2-3 years. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on March 17, 2016, 06:20:32 PM
In the 2015-16 OHL coaches poll:

-Dermott voted best offensive defenceman in Western Conference
-Marner voted best stickhandler and best playmaker in Western Conference
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 17, 2016, 07:51:35 PM
Great new Potvin, lets see what Quebec and the West have to say
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2016, 09:43:48 AM
In the 2015-16 OHL coaches poll:

-Marner voted best stickhandler and best playmaker in Western Conference

Bracco finished 3rd to Marner in both those categories too.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 18, 2016, 09:58:42 AM
For the completionists:
http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/ohl-announces-2015-16-coaches-poll-winners

For the lazy non-clickers:
Quote
2015-16 OHL Coaches Poll Winners:

Most Underrated Player:

Eastern Conference:
1. Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie Colts (28)
2. Jordan Maletta, Niagara IceDogs (16)
3. Juho Lammikko, Kingston Frontenacs (15)

Western Conference:
1. Aaron Berisha, London Knights (22)
2. Jeff King, Sarnia Sting (14)
3. Jalen Chatfield, Windsor Spitfires (12)

Most Improved Player:

Eastern Conference:
1. Jeremy Helvig, Kingston Frontenacs (30)
2. Mathew Santos, North Bay Battalion (18)
3. Nic Hague, Mississauga Steelheads tied Riley Stillman, Oshawa Generals (10)

Western Conference:
1. Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters tied Logan Stanley, Windsor Spitfires (25)
3. Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (10)

Smartest Player:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (32)
2. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (25)
3. Hunter Garlent, Peterborough Petes (8)

Western Conference:
1. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (41) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (18)
3. Petrus Palmu, Owen Sound Attack (7)

Hardest Worker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Michael McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads tied Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (24) – McLeod finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (21) – finished first in voting in 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Hayden Verbeek, Soo Greyhounds (32)
2. Jonah Gadjovich, Owen Sound Attack tied Josh Jacobs, Sarnia Sting (13)

Best Playmaker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (31)
2. Josh Ho-Sang, Niagara IceDogs (26) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Michael Dal Colle, Kingston Frontenacs (12)

Western Conference:
1. Mitch Marner, London Knights (35) – finished second in voting in 2014-15
2. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (27)
3. Jeremy Bracco, Kitchener Rangers (12)

Most Dangerous in Goal Area:

Eastern Conference:
1. Spencer Watson, Kingston Frontenacs (35) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts tied Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (24)

Western Conference:
1. Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (37) – finished first in voting in 2014-15
2. Christian Dvorak, London Knights (32)
3. Zach Senyshyn, Soo Greyhounds (9)

Best Skater:

Eastern Conference:
1. Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie Colts (18)
2. Sean Day, Mississauga Steelheads tied Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa Generals, and Jonathan Ang, Peterborough Petes (17) – Day finished second in voting in both 2013-14 and 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Zach Senyshyn, Soo Greyhounds (33) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Victor Mete, London Knights (27)
3. Vili Saarijarvi, Flint Firebirds tied Jordan Kyrou, Sarnia Sting (7)

Best Shot:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (35)
2. Spencer Watson, Kingston Frontenacs (30)
3. Alex Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads tied Greg Betzold, Peterborough Petes (7)

Western Conference:
1. Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (28)
2. Travis Konecny, Sarnia Sting (25)
3. Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (16)

Hardest Shot:

Eastern Conference:
1. Kyle Wood, North Bay Battalion (41) – finished second in voting in 2014-15
2. Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (23)
3. Rasmus Andersson, Barrie Colts (10)

Western Conference:
1. Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (30)
2. Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (20)
3. Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (13)

Best Stickhandler:

Eastern Conference:
1. Josh Ho-Sang, Niagara IceDogs (35) – finished first in voting in 2014-15
2. Alex Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads (16)
3. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (15)

Western Conference:
1. Mitch Marner, London Knights (43) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. William Bitten, Flint Firebirds (13)
3. Jeremy Bracco, Kitchener Rangers tied Blake Speers, Soo Greyhounds (11)

Best on Face-Offs:

Eastern Conference:
1. Jordan Maletta, Niagara IceDogs (38)
2. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (24)
3. Juho Lammikko, Kingston Frontenacs (10)

Western Conference:
1. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (30)
2. Gustaf Franzen, Kitchener Rangers (21)
3. Christian Dvorak, London Knights (20)

Best Body Checker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (39)
2. Jacob Middleton, Ottawa 67’s (13)
3. Cameron Lizotte, Barrie Colts (11) – finished second in voting in 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Givani Smith, Guelph Storm (34)
2. Connor Hall, Kitchener Rangers tied Jacob Friend, Owen Sound Attack (12)

Best Shot Blocker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Jacob Middleton, Ottawa 67’s (25)
2. Roland McKeown, Kingston Frontenacs (15)
3. Dylan Sadowy, Barrie Colts (14)

Western Conference:
1. Damir Sharipzyanov, Owen Sound Attack (24)
2. Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters (18)
3. Will Petschenig, Saginaw Spirit tied Patrick Sanvido, Windsor Spitfires (11)

Best Defensive Forward:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (32)
2. Juho Lammikko, Kingston Frontenacs (29) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Cordell James, Barrie Colts tied Anthony Cirelli, Oshawa Generals (9)

Western Conference:
1. Kyle Pettit, Erie Otters (31) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Ryan MacInnis, Kitchener Rangers (22)
3. Kris Bennett, Saginaw Spirit (14)

Best Penalty Killer:

Eastern Conference:
1. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (26)
2. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (25)
3. Jordan Maletta, Niagara IceDogs (17)

Western Conference:
1. Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (26)
2. Kyle Pettit, Erie Otters (19)
3. Darby Llewellyn, Kitchener Rangers (16)

Best Offensive Defenceman:

Eastern Conference:
1. Rasmus Andersson, Barrie Colts (31) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa Generals (23) – finished second in voting in 2014-15
3. Cam Dineen, North Bay Battalion (17)

Western Conference:
1. Travis Dermott, Erie Otters (28)
2. Vili Saarijarvi, Flint Firebirds (21)
3. Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (20)

Best Defensive Defenceman:

Eastern Conference:
1. Roland McKeown, Kingston Frontenacs (30) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Jacob Middleton, Ottawa 67’s (29)
3. Michael Webster, Barrie Colts (19)

Western Conference:
1. Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters (37)
2. Frank Hora, Kitchener Rangers (13)
3. Chris Martenet, London Knights tied Colton White, Soo Greyhounds (9)

Best Puck-Handling Goalie:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mackenzie Blackwood, Barrie Colts tied Alex Nedeljkovic, Niagara IceDogs (21) – Nedeljkovic finished third in 2014-15 West vote
2. Jake Smith, North Bay Battalion (18) – finished second in voting in 2013-14 and 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Brandon Halverson, Soo Greyhounds (28) – finished first in 2013-14 and 2014-15
2. Michael Giugovaz, Guelph Storm (12)
3. Michael McNiven, Owen Sound Attack (11)

Best Shootout Shooter:

Eastern Conference:
1. Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie Colts (29) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Alex Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads (20)
3. Josh Ho-Sang, Niagara IceDogs (16)

Western Conference:
1. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (23)
2. Christian Dvorak, London Knights (22)
3. William Bitten, Flint Firebirds tied Petrus Palmu, Owen Sound Attack (16)

Best Shootout Goalie:

Eastern Conference:
1. Alex Nedeljkovic, Niagara IceDogs (24) – finished second in 2013-14 and 2014-15 West voting
2. Mackenzie Blackwood, Barrie Colts (18) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Jack Flinn, Mississauga Steelheads (16)

Western Conference:
1. Devin Williams, Erie Otters (36)
2. Michael McNiven, Owen Sound Attack (16)
3. Charlie Graham, Sarnia Sting (11)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Jolly good show chaps on March 18, 2016, 10:03:44 AM
Lawson Crouse - now there's a name I haven't heard for a while.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 18, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
Lawson Crouse - now there's a name I haven't heard for a while.

Because we dodged that bullet.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 18, 2016, 02:28:35 PM
For the completionists:
http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/ohl-announces-2015-16-coaches-poll-winners

For the lazy non-clickers:


Appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 18, 2016, 03:51:41 PM
Interesting to see Ho-Sang in there several times. Must not be quite the parish some make him out to be.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on March 18, 2016, 04:00:57 PM
No problem, Bullfrog.

Interesting to see Ho-Sang in there several times. Must not be quite the parish some make him out to be.

He still oozes skill. And he was drafted in 2014, so he's a 20 year old in a junior league, so he really should be on such lists.

Too bad he also oozes surly ego.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 18, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
He still oozes skill. And he was drafted in 2014, so he's a 20 year old in a junior league, so he really should be on such lists.

Too bad he also oozes surly ego.

Yeah. There's never been much question of his skills. The issues have always been with his attitude, and whether he'll put in the time and effort it'll take to translate those skills to the NHL level.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 18, 2016, 04:25:12 PM
He still oozes skill. And he was drafted in 2014, so he's a 20 year old in a junior league, so he really should be on such lists.

Too bad he also oozes surly ego.

Yeah. There's never been much question of his skills. The issues have always been with his attitude, and whether he'll put in the time and effort it'll take to translate those skills to the NHL level.

Saw him play the other night, he's got hands.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Bender on March 18, 2016, 04:25:24 PM
No problem, Bullfrog.

Interesting to see Ho-Sang in there several times. Must not be quite the parish some make him out to be.

He still oozes skill. And he was drafted in 2014, so he's a 20 year old in a junior league, so he really should be on such lists.

Too bad he also oozes surly ego.

Yeah but he doesn't have the tools to put it all together, not just between his ears. I mean he's not even amongst the top in points. Draft eligible players are looking far better.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 19, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
Seems Timashov has come back down to earth.

4 goals in 28 games with Shawinigan. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 19, 2016, 02:03:20 PM
Lawson Crouse - now there's a name I haven't heard for a while.

I actually had a dream last night that the Leafs traded Gardiner for Crouse.  I woke up happy that it was only a dream.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 01, 2016, 10:12:13 PM
Bracco - 1G 3A in a 5-3 win to put Kitchener through to the 2nd round.  2G 8A in 5 games.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: lamajama on April 02, 2016, 01:31:31 AM
Seems Timashov has come back down to earth.

4 goals in 28 games with Shawinigan.

Yikes!  Any idea what's happening?  That's a massive drop.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 02, 2016, 05:47:16 AM
Jeremy Bracco  5GP 2G 8A 10P - Advanced to 2nd round
Travis Dermott 4GP 2G 6A 8P - Advanced to 2nd round
Steven Desrocher 5GP 1G 3A 4P - Advanced to 2nd round
Nikita Korostolev 4GP 0G 1A 1P - Trail Sault Ste Marie 3-1 (LOL Konecny trade)
Mitch Marner 5GP 4G 7A 11P - Lead Owen Sound 3-2
JJ Piccinich 5GP 0G 3A 3P - Lead Owen Sound 3-2

Martins Dzierkals 4GP 1G 3A 4P - Advanced to 2nd round
Dmytro Timashov 5GP 2G 7A 9P - Advanced to 2nd round

Andrew Nielsen 5GP 1G 2A 3P - Eliminated in 1st round (Upset)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 02, 2016, 07:52:56 AM
Andrew Nielsen 5GP 1G 2A 3P - Eliminated in 1st round (Upset)

Wow, Regina over Lethbridge really was an upset.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 02, 2016, 10:13:51 PM
Andrew Nielsen is joining the Marlies now that Lethbridge has been eliminated.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 03, 2016, 11:45:42 AM
good news on Neilson, gives us a chance to see what he can do
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 03, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Marner and the Knights advance to the second round after a 5-2 win over Owen Sound.  They will play either Sarnia or Kitchener in the next round.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 06, 2016, 01:43:58 AM
Sarnia (LOL Konecny trade) lost to Sault Ste Marie in a Game 7. 

Round 2 of the OHL

Marner/Piccinich vs. Bracco
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Seems Timashov has come back down to earth.

4 goals in 28 games with Shawinigan. 

Here's hoping he finishes strong. Led Shawinigan in scoring during their first round victory. 9 points in 5 games. Was shutout in the first game of that round too.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 13, 2016, 10:51:54 AM
Jeremy Bracco  8GP 2G 10A 12P - Rd 2 - Trail LDN 3-0
Travis Dermott 7GP 2G 6A 8P - Rd 2 - Lead SSM 2-1
Steven Desrocher 8GP 1G 5A 6P - Rd 2 - Trail MIS 3-0
Nikita Korostolev 7GP 0G 5A 5P - Eliminated in Rd 1 (SSM)
Mitch Marner 9GP 6G 14A 20P - Rd 2 - Lead KIT 3-0
JJ Piccinich 9GP 1G 5A 6P - Rd 2 - Lead KIT 3-0

Martins Dzierkals 7GP 1G 5A 6P - Rd 2 - Lead Blaineville 2-1
Dmytro Timashov 9GP 4G 9A 13P - Rd 2 - Tied Charlottetown 2-2

Andrew Nielsen 5GP 1G 2A 3P - Eliminated in 1st round (Upset)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2016, 10:50:57 PM
Dmytro Timashov picked up 2 goals and an assist in a 6-1 Shawinigan win today to stand with 7G 10A 17P in 11 games, good for 3rd in playoff scoring in the Q so far.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 17, 2016, 10:53:31 PM
Oh, and Jeremy Bracco was named Best Performer in the Playoffs for Kitchener.  He wound up with 3G 11A 14P in 9 games for Kitchener.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 17, 2016, 11:44:58 PM
Jeremy Bracco  9GP 3G 11A 14P - Eliminated in Rd 2 (London)
Travis Dermott 9GP 3G 9A 12P - Advanced to Conference Finals (London)
Steven Desrocher 9GP 1G 5A 6P - Eliminated in Rd 2 (Niagara)
Nikita Korostolev 7GP 0G 5A 5P - Eliminated in Rd 1 (SSM)
Mitch Marner 10GP 10G 14A 24P - Advanced to Conference Finals (Erie)
JJ Piccinich 9GP 1G 5A 6P - Advanced to Conference Finals (Erie)

Martins Dzierkals 9GP 3G 6A 9P - Advanced to Semi Finals (TBD)
Dmytro Timashov 11GP 7G 10A 17P - Advanced to Semi Finals (TBD)

Andrew Nielsen 5GP 1G 2A 3P - Eliminated in 1st round (Upset)


Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on April 18, 2016, 10:13:08 AM
Timashov nets a couple of goals in this little video: https://streamable.com/ugd8

5-on-3s that demonstrate his quick release, as well as his patience and accuracy.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: cabber24 on April 19, 2016, 04:26:15 PM
I was able to get free Marlie tickets for Friday April 29, 2016. I figured someone on here would want them. 2 seats: Section 114, Row R, seat 11 & 12. Let me know if you want them and I will transfer them to you. A $10 value per ticket.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 27, 2016, 04:25:04 PM
I was just reading an article on JJ Puccinich and that after BU, he went to play for the Knights.

It made me wonder if the Leafs are going to feed further prospects through the Knights as kind of a developmental thing.

This is obviously for players that aren't already OHL/WHL/QMJHL players, but what are the rules for foreign players in terms of OHL eligibility?  Are they like UFAs?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 27, 2016, 04:28:04 PM
This is obviously for players that aren't already OHL/WHL/QMJHL players, but what are the rules for foreign players in terms of OHL eligibility?  Are they like UFAs?

Depends on whether or not they were selected in the various CHL drafts. Pinnich was selected by London in the OHL Priority draft, rather than it being a concerted effort by the Leafs. Otherwise, you'd have to think Bracco would have ended up there, as well.

Players that aren't drafted in any of the junior drafts are like UFAs, but, it's rare that those players would be selected in NHL drafts. Players with potential to be drafted by NHL teams that have committed to NCAA programs or are definitely staying in Europe until they go pro in North America generally get drafted by junior teams at some point.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 27, 2016, 04:29:22 PM
I was just reading an article on JJ Puccinich and that after BU, he went to play for the Knights.

It made me wonder if the Leafs are going to feed further prospects through the Knights as kind of a developmental thing.

This is obviously for players that aren't already OHL/WHL/QMJHL players, but what are the rules for foreign players in terms of OHL eligibility?  Are they like UFAs?

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. In the past when I've read about NCAA players considering the OHL they've always made reference to one team or another having their rights. Bracco, for instance, was pretty clearly having to choose between College and Kitchener.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 27, 2016, 04:53:28 PM
This is obviously for players that aren't already OHL/WHL/QMJHL players, but what are the rules for foreign players in terms of OHL eligibility?  Are they like UFAs?

Depends on whether or not they were selected in the various CHL drafts. Pinnich was selected by London in the OHL Priority draft, rather than it being a concerted effort by the Leafs. Otherwise, you'd have to think Bracco would have ended up there, as well.

Players that aren't drafted in any of the junior drafts are like UFAs, but, it's rare that those players would be selected in NHL drafts. Players with potential to be drafted by NHL teams that have committed to NCAA programs or are definitely staying in Europe until they go pro in North America generally get drafted by junior teams at some point.

Got it.  I didn't know he was already selected by the Knights, so that pretty much kills my theory right there.

Thanks for the info nonetheless. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Frank E on April 27, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
I was just reading an article on JJ Puccinich and that after BU, he went to play for the Knights.

It made me wonder if the Leafs are going to feed further prospects through the Knights as kind of a developmental thing.

This is obviously for players that aren't already OHL/WHL/QMJHL players, but what are the rules for foreign players in terms of OHL eligibility?  Are they like UFAs?

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. In the past when I've read about NCAA players considering the OHL they've always made reference to one team or another having their rights. Bracco, for instance, was pretty clearly having to choose between College and Kitchener.

Yep, you're right.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on April 28, 2016, 07:17:21 AM
Jeremy Bracco  9GP 3G 11A 14P - Eliminated in Rd 2 (London)
Travis Dermott 13GP 3G 11A 14P - Eliminated in Rd 3 (London)
Steven Desrocher 9GP 1G 5A 6P - Eliminated in Rd 2 (Niagara)
Nikita Korostolev 7GP 0G 5A 5P - Eliminated in Rd 1 (SSM)
Mitch Marner 14GP 15G 22A 37P - Face Niagara in the Finals
JJ Piccinich 9GP 1G 5A 6P - Rd 2 - Face Niagara in the Finals

Martins Dzierkals 13GP 4G 6A 10P - Rd 3 - Lead Moncton 3-1
Dmytro Timashov 15GP 11G 11A 22P - Rd 3 - Lead Saint John 3-1

Andrew Nielsen 5GP 1G 2A 3P - Eliminated in 1st round (Upset)

Marner and Piccinich advance to the OHL finals.  Dzierkals and Timashov are both 1 win away from facing off against each other in the QMJHL finals.

Timashov is 2nd in goals and points in the QMJHL playoffs.
Marner is 1st in assists and points in the OHL playoffs.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on April 28, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/4/28/11523736/dermott-marner-on-their-development-this-season

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While his Erie coaches work on certain elements of Dermott's game, he is also getting no shortage of feedback from management in Toronto.

"Yeah, they came down here once to work with me on skills stuff, but they usually just send me text messages after games, you know, maybe ream me out a bit," he says with a genuine laugh. "They watch a lot of video."

[...]

Although he is emphatic that his mind is entirely focused on London's current playoff run and not on what may lie ahead with the Toronto Maple Leafs' organization, Marner did allow that he felt he has made good progress so far this season on his defensive play.

"Yeah, I feel like I'm getting better at that," he begins, " ... but I want to keep getting more reliable," he quickly adds, suggesting he understands how much work he still has to do in order to become a regular on the Leafs' roster. "I feel like the last couple months [in particular], I've really worked hard, and I feel like I'm getting better."

To anyone watching his play closely, this is an entirely accurate statement. Marner's defensive awareness in all three zones has dramatically improved this season, and despite the fact that he plays right wing, he is often the first man on his line to fall back to cover a defender, provide backside pressure, and even to swoop low and recover a puck for a besieged defender. Moreover, he reads plays so well that he can anticipate where the puck will be well before it gets there, helping him break up plays well before they become dangerous.

Despite the party going on around him, Marner answers every question thrown his way with the same level head and even tone. Like Dermott, he is patient, and waits until everyone's questions have been answered before rejoining his team.

For Leafs' fans, it has to be reassuring to hear that the Leafs are so involved in the development of their OHL prospects, but it's also worth noting that in addition to developing as players on the ice, all signs point to them developing as professionals off the ice as well.

And from the comments:
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[Marner]’s excellent. He plays every inch of the ice, with or without the puck, and he’s a kingpin of every single power play and penalty kill. At the beginning of the season, the main knock on him was his defensive game, but I think he’s surpassed even Strome in that regard at this point. Marner will never lay big hits, but he’s so, so smart on the ice that he doesn’t need to – at least, not at the OHL level – in order to strip guys of the puck and protect it well. A year ago, I would have wanted to draft Strome. Now? I think I’m happier with Marner. Of course, maybe in a year or two my choice would be different again, but for now, Marner looks like a gem.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: herman on May 10, 2016, 11:14:39 AM
Timashov was involved in a car accident with a team vehicle after landing at the Trois-Rivieres airport following the team's trip to Rouyn-Noranda.


Neither driver was injured, and Timashov played the next day.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on May 10, 2016, 04:23:12 PM
Glad to know that he is OK, big fear with kidz in carz
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 10, 2016, 10:27:46 PM
Shawinigan and Timashov avoided elimination tonight with a 6-4 win over Rouyn-Noranda.  Timashov picked up a goal and 2 assists.  He sits 3rd in playoff scoring with 28 points in 20 games.  3rd in goal scoring too with 13. 
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: L K on May 12, 2016, 09:35:11 AM
Jeremy Bracco  9GP 3G 11A 14P - Eliminated in Rd 2 (London)
Travis Dermott 13GP 3G 11A 14P - Eliminated in Rd 3 (London)
Steven Desrocher 9GP 1G 5A 6P - Eliminated in Rd 2 (Niagara)
Nikita Korostolev 7GP 0G 5A 5P - Eliminated in Rd 1 (SSM)
Mitch Marner 18GP 15G 22A 44P - Playoff MVP.  On to the Memorial Cup!
JJ Piccinich 18GP 2G 10A 12P - On to the Memorial Cup!

Martins Dzierkals 20GP 7G 10A 17P - On to the Memorial Cup!
Dmytro Timashov 21GP 13G 15A 28P - Eliminated by Dzierkals in Rd 4

Andrew Nielsen 5GP 1G 2A 3P - Eliminated in 1st round (Upset)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 12, 2016, 11:06:05 PM
Timashov and Shawinigan just lost in the Q final, losing 7-2.  Dzierkals scored twice for QMJHL winners Rouyn-Noranda.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Highlander on May 13, 2016, 07:34:06 AM
Will either of Timashov and Dzierkals play with the Marlies next year?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 22, 2016, 07:23:51 AM
Sportsnet releases it's final 2016 Draft Rankings.  Guess who's #1?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/sportsnets-final-top-30-2016-nhl-draft-prospects/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/sportsnets-final-top-30-2016-nhl-draft-prospects/?)
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: TBLeafer on June 02, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
Shift in Organizational Strategy Creates Deep Toronto Maple Leafs Top 20
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/138903/shift-organizational-strategy-creates-deep-toronto-maple-leafs-top-20/2/#q49kZrVKgptlF3r6.99 (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/138903/shift-organizational-strategy-creates-deep-toronto-maple-leafs-top-20/2/#q49kZrVKgptlF3r6.99)

The Toronto Maple Leafs have underwent a tremendous organizational overhaul in the past 18 months, and, as a result, the team’s prospect group is one of the best in the NHL. They’ll add to their already-impressive group in the upcoming draft, where they currently own 12 picks.

Because of the amount of trades and new prospects in the organization there has been a lot of movement in the Maple Leafs Top 20 prospects, though the Top 3 remains the same.

...
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 02, 2016, 12:41:22 PM
"Have underwent" makes me cringe.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: TBLeafer on June 02, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
"Have underwent" makes me cringe.

"Are currently still undergoing" more to your tastes?
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 02, 2016, 01:25:57 PM
"Have underwent" makes me cringe.

"Are currently still undergoing" more to your tastes?

Well, it's grammatically correct, unlike "have underwent".
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Crucialness Key on June 02, 2016, 01:46:37 PM
"Have underwent" makes me cringe.

"Are currently still undergoing" more to your tastes?

Well, it's grammatically correct, unlike "have underwent".

Have Underwent is Blair Underwood's cousin.
Title: Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
Post by: Tigger on July 02, 2016, 07:57:20 PM
Looks like Holl is signed to an ELC.