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Title: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on July 07, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoLBWfo_o2I[/youtube]

His dad begged the coach to let Mitch (4 years old) play against 6 year olds.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on July 08, 2015, 03:12:14 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoLBWfo_o2I[/youtube]

His dad begged the coach to let Mitch (4 years old) play against 6 year olds.

At the 3:20 mark, after the 'Don't Stop Believing' image, he goes on a crazy end-to-end rush where he undresses the entire team a couple of time and puts it top corner.  That rush was crazy.  The kid could hit too!

EDIT:  nvm... after watching the rest I realized that he does this through the entire video.  It's crazy how good he is relative to the other players on the ice.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on July 08, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
At the 3:20 mark, after the 'Don't Stop Believing' image, he goes on a crazy end-to-end rush where he undresses the entire team a couple of time and puts it top corner.  That rush was crazy.  The kid could hit too!

EDIT:  nvm... after watching the rest I realized that he does this through the entire video.  It's crazy how good he is relative to the other players on the ice.

Haha, yeah. Especially when he was half the size of everyone else, he was just wrecking them (some scary knee ones too). Once he got bigger and closer in size, he seemed to stop hitting (or his parents didn't think his hitting was as impressive as his other skills anymore).

He's very creative (not just in the imaginative sense), as he generates turnovers and chances for himself and his teammates regularly. When he gets stripped of the puck, he puts his head down steamrolls whoever dared take it from him.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on July 09, 2015, 12:27:40 PM
I would also like to point out his backhand. Haven't seen one like that around these parts since Sundin.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 11, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
No great revelations here, but a decent enough newspaper article on Mitch Marners journey to be Maple Leafs top pick (http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2015/07/09/mitch-marners-journey-to-be-maple-leafs-top-pick.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: moon111 on July 12, 2015, 08:20:05 AM
I would also like to point out his backhand. Haven't seen one like that around these parts since Sundin.
He hit you?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 02, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
If you're eager to see Marner (and also Travis Dermott) in action, TSN has the World Junior Summer Showcase exhibition games starting tomorrow.

Monday, Aug. 3
Canada vs. Russia at 10 p.m. ET on TSN

Tuesday, Aug. 4
Canada vs. Czech Republic at 7:30 p.m. ET on TSN

Wednesday, Aug. 5
Russia vs. Canada at 10 p.m. ET on TSN

Thursday, Aug. 6
Czech Republic vs. Canada at 7 p.m. ET on TSN
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 03, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
Reminder:  Marner time at 10pm ET on TSN tonight.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 03, 2015, 10:23:17 PM
And it seems the Canada Junior game broadcast is presently pre-empted/delayed by the end of the Argo-Ticats game... :(
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 03, 2015, 10:43:06 PM

Oh hey, neat. The CFL still exists.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 03, 2015, 11:02:40 PM
Marner just picked up a nifty assist.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 03, 2015, 11:39:13 PM
Here's Marner's assist:

(http://giant.gfycat.com/RigidKeenAmphibian.gif)

And here's a shift that he had on the PK:

(http://giant.gfycat.com/WellmadeBitesizedDarwinsfox.gif)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Dappleganger on August 03, 2015, 11:52:12 PM
Thanks for the heads up fellas!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 03, 2015, 11:59:34 PM
I've only been able to watch a little of the game.  Is Marner being used on the wing or at centre?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 04, 2015, 08:27:27 AM
I've only been able to watch a little of the game.  Is Marner being used on the wing or at centre?

I didn't watch, but it seems like like played primarily on the wing at even-strength. Played centre/took faceoffs on the PK and played on the point on the PP.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on August 04, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
Those gifs are incredible. It looks like he's playing games with them.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 04, 2015, 09:55:29 AM
Those gifs are incredible. It looks like he's playing games with them.

Yeah, I mean the one on the PK it's pretty clear he was just showing off. But you know what it's a summer scrimmage game, so why not? I'm sure all the skilled guys were trying to get on the highlight reel.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on August 04, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
Those gifs are incredible. It looks like he's playing games with them.

Yeah, I mean the one on the PK it's pretty clear he was just showing off. But you know what it's a summer scrimmage game, so why not? I'm sure all the skilled guys were trying to get on the highlight reel.

Watching Marner blaze around the ice killing time on the PK is impressive. I'm just wondering what his poor coach is thinking as he breaks in on his own goalie after being up at the offensive blue line.  :)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bonsixx on August 04, 2015, 11:54:03 AM
The PK gif conveniently cut off just before that spinorama pass got intercepted by the Russians, but no harm done. Marner was dominant every time he was on the ice. He seemed to slow down in the third, but was overall very impressive.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on August 04, 2015, 01:50:57 PM
Does the roster change for tonight's game against the Czechs?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 04, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
Does the roster change for tonight's game against the Czechs?

I believe there are 40 players in the Canadian camp, and since there are 4 games in 4 consecutive days, I assume 20 guys play game 1 and 3, and the other 20 play games 2 and 4.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on August 04, 2015, 03:27:05 PM
Does the roster change for tonight's game against the Czechs?

I believe there are 40 players in the Canadian camp, and since there are 4 games in 4 consecutive days, I assume 20 guys play game 1 and 3, and the other 20 play games 2 and 4.

Thank you sir.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 06, 2015, 02:25:45 PM
Does the roster change for tonight's game against the Czechs?

I believe there are 40 players in the Canadian camp, and since there are 4 games in 4 consecutive days, I assume 20 guys play game 1 and 3, and the other 20 play games 2 and 4.

Thank you sir.

You're welcome, though I was somewhat wrong.  Marner didn't play last night as I expected, but will play game 4 tonight.  Travis Dermott played both games 1 and 3, so I don't know exactly how they're splitting the squad game to game.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 06, 2015, 03:16:55 PM
Dermott scored the gtg to make it 2-2, jumped in from the point and banged it in at the net.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on August 06, 2015, 04:33:19 PM
You're welcome, though I was somewhat wrong.  Marner didn't play last night as I expected, but will play game 4 tonight.  Travis Dermott played both games 1 and 3, so I don't know exactly how they're splitting the squad game to game.

This is an evaluation camp, right? Maybe they're front-loading games for bubble players and going with their top picks for the 4th game to get a preview of the real team.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 07, 2015, 12:35:23 PM
I didn't really hear anything about last night's final exhibition game, but Marner picked up another couple assists to give him 3 assists in the 2 games played.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on August 07, 2015, 12:39:32 PM
Anyone have an opinion on how Ho-Sang was looking?  There was the associated fanfare on tsn.ca before the games...I was just curious to hear about how he played.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 10, 2015, 02:24:11 PM
So with all the stuff going down with Patrick Kane, can we all stop comparing Marner to him. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Britishbulldog on August 10, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
So with all the stuff going down with Patrick Kane, can we all stop comparing Marner to him.

I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on August 10, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
So with all the stuff going down with Patrick Kane, can we all stop comparing Marner to him.

None of the comparisons say anything about off-ice conduct, and I think most people are smart enough to make that distinction. If he's like Kane on the ice, then he's like Kane on the ice.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on August 10, 2015, 02:36:17 PM
Yep we don't want to tar our boy with the reference of the Kane name.  Looks like this may end freeing up a lot of cap space on the Hawks. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 10, 2015, 02:36:35 PM
So with all the stuff going down with Patrick Kane, can we all stop comparing Marner to him.

None of the comparisons say anything about off-ice conduct, and I think most people are smart enough to make that distinction. If he's like Kane on the ice, then he's like Kane on the ice.

Well depending on what comes out of this investigation, I hope he is nothing like Kane off the ice.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on August 10, 2015, 02:44:14 PM
Well depending on what comes out of this investigation, I hope he is nothing like Kane off the ice.

Even without this investigation, I hope he's not much like Kane off the ice. It's not like Kane had a sterling reputation before this.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on August 10, 2015, 02:54:26 PM
I understand that no means no and practiced that in my younger life.  I do feel a bit for Kane on this one as the lady in question did go home with him at 4am from a bar.  Still no means no is the key.
Rape is a crime of violence (of extreme violence) and cannot be condoned no matter what the circumstance.
What I don't understand with his bankroll, is he could afford the top escort services in the world, so what the frikk is he doing?  Just doesnt make sense at all.
How long are the Hawks going to stand behind him on this one and of course if he is charged and convicted it releases them from their commitment to him.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 10, 2015, 03:29:36 PM
I understand that no means no and practiced that in my younger life.  I do feel a bit for Kane on this one as the lady in question did go home with him at 4am from a bar.  Still no means no is the key.
Rape is a crime of violence (of extreme violence) and cannot be condoned no matter what the circumstance.
What I don't understand with his bankroll, is he could afford the top escort services in the world, so what the frikk is he doing?  Just doesnt make sense at all.
How long are the Hawks going to stand behind him on this one and of course if he is charged and convicted it releases them from their commitment to him.

So this should really go in the Kane thread.   My whole point of posting in this thread was to differentiate Marner from Kane. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on August 10, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
Ok Quickstraw :-X
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 10, 2015, 07:13:04 PM
Ok Quickstraw :-X

Quickstraw?  Really?  C'mon man.  :-).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 10, 2015, 09:03:15 PM
If you wanted to watch all of Marner's minutes in the Czech game (edited down from the full game video), well here you go:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGA9MPXbs2Q[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on August 11, 2015, 09:20:56 AM
no offense intended SI
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on August 11, 2015, 09:29:55 AM
If you wanted to watch all of Marner's minutes in the Czech game (edited down from the full game video), well here you go:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGA9MPXbs2Q[/youtube]

Thanks, Heroic Shrimp!

Marner looks very strong on his skates, quick and soft with his hands, and always involved with the play.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 11, 2015, 09:40:30 AM
Even for just on-ice stuff this past seasons Tyler Johnson was always a better comparison for Marner anyway since Kane's pretty bad defensively. The Kane comparisons were really just because both players played for the Knights.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on August 11, 2015, 09:56:43 AM
Even for just on-ice stuff this past seasons Tyler Johnson was always a better comparison for Marner anyway since Kane's pretty bad defensively. The Kane comparisons were really just because both players played for the Knights.

I'm making the Giroux comparison happen.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on August 11, 2015, 10:10:24 AM
Even for just on-ice stuff this past seasons Tyler Johnson was always a better comparison for Marner anyway since Kane's pretty bad defensively. The Kane comparisons were really just because both players played for the Knights.

I'm making the Giroux comparison happen.

Bergeron with more speed and scoring?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 11, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
Even for just on-ice stuff this past seasons Tyler Johnson was always a better comparison for Marner anyway since Kane's pretty bad defensively. The Kane comparisons were really just because both players played for the Knights.

I'm making the Giroux comparison happen.

Bergeron with more speed and scoring?

He's basically Crosby without the whining.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on August 11, 2015, 10:40:07 AM
Even for just on-ice stuff this past seasons Tyler Johnson was always a better comparison for Marner anyway since Kane's pretty bad defensively. The Kane comparisons were really just because both players played for the Knights.

I'm making the Giroux comparison happen.

Bergeron with more speed and scoring?

He's basically Crosby without the whining.

And Gretzky without the hair (http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/882/368/221839_display_image.jpg?1328772452).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on August 11, 2015, 12:14:37 PM
Jason Blake without the rat face?   :P
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on August 11, 2015, 12:57:58 PM
Even for just on-ice stuff this past seasons Tyler Johnson was always a better comparison for Marner anyway since Kane's pretty bad defensively. The Kane comparisons were really just because both players played for the Knights.

I think Marner should be better than Johnson IMO.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 11, 2015, 01:13:14 PM
I think Marner should be better than Johnson IMO.

Well I was specifically talking about 14/15 Tyler Johnson. I'd be pretty happy with a 70-point centre who's pretty responsible defensively and plays an up-tempo game.

Either way his playing style at the very least is more comparable to a Johnson/Giroux than Kane.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 06, 2015, 09:12:23 AM
A 2-minute video from a private Marner practice session:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVE7igAA3VA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on September 06, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
A 2-minute video from a private Marner practice session:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVE7igAA3VA[/youtube]

The kid is fast!!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on November 02, 2015, 03:39:02 PM
Marner has 21 pts (9G/12A) in 13 games so far. 14 pts in his last 7 games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on November 17, 2015, 03:41:06 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/knights-marner-taking-his-game-to-another-level/

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Mitch Marner is so dangerous right now even the boundaries of a standard clich cant contain him.

Marner, named player of the game during Team OHLs 2-1 win over Team Russia on Monday night in Windsor, has long been described as a player who makes those around him better. But that old hockeyism wasnt enough for Rocky Thompson.

I think I was better, on the bench, said the Team OHL coach with a laugh after the game.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on December 04, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
Joyce: Scouts on the Good and Bad of Marner's Game (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/scouts-on-the-good-and-bad-of-marners-game/)

Scout 1
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At this stage Marner reminds me of [Nazem] Kadri in the year after his draft, said the veteran Ontario-based scout who is the owner of a Stanley Cup ring.

[...]

The scout explained the comparison in depth. "What people forget was that Kadri was really good [after his draft] in London," he said. "He wasn't physically ready for the NHL and Marner isn't eitherhe's even farther away. In terms of puck skills, though, Kadri [was] and Marner [is] just better than everyone they're playing with and against."

By numbers, you could make a case that Marner is out in front of Kadri at the same age but the scout suggested that goals and points aren't the only measure in play. "[London coach Dale] Hunter kept a pretty tight grip on Kadri and he had to fall into line," he said. "Marner, though, he pretty much does what he wants. He knows he's there to play his 30 or 35 minutes. He's going to stay out there on the ice for a whole two-minute power play and then another minute on top of that.

Scout 2
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"I think you can draw a straight line between Marner and [former Knight] Patrick Kane," an NHL scouting director said. "The question a lot of people ask is whether Marners physically ready to play at the next level. At this point, you should just stop asking the question.

"Guys have tried to hit Marner and they cant find him. It was the same thing with Kane at the same stage... they just see the ice so well and have such great instincts. And the fact is, one thing that makes them hard to hit is that youre going to get beat bad if you try to run them."

[...]

When asked about the point made by Scout 1 concerning Marners inclination to take the two-minute shifts and freelance, Scout 2 was in general agreement, but said that Marner wasnt necessarily to blame for it. Or at least entirely so.

"You have to put some of that on Dale [Hunter]," Scout 2 said. "Thats how he is with his top players. He was that way with Kane and that way with Kadri. With Kane, I remember thered be times that he would come over to the bench, thinking Dale was going to change lines but [Hunter] would just point and send him back out there.

"Really thats Dale just coaching to give his team the best chance to win. It didnt hurt Kane, thats for sure. He had to change [when he went to Chicago] but its not like playing two-minute shifts in London hurt his development. Yeah, you can talk about accountability and the 200-foot game and how it might be lacking for them in junior, but so long as theyre all in and with the program, theyre going to figure it out [when they get to the NHL]."
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on December 04, 2015, 05:56:24 PM
I really don't think comparing Marner to Kadri does Marner justice. He just seems so off the charts in comparison.

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Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on December 09, 2015, 03:57:57 PM
Jeff Marek on Marner: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/next-up-mitch-marner-patrik-laine-jesse-puljujarvi-lethbridge-hurricanes-prince-george-cougars-world-junior-championship/

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Hes not the fastest player on the ice, doesnt have the hardest shot either. He isnt the most physical player and doesnt wow you with any one particular skill. But nobody thinks the game like Marner does. Hes smart, hes aware, hes slippery and thinks faster than anybody on the ice. Marner just knows where to go.

I talked to one hockey analyst whos seen him extensively who told me: In just about every situation he doesnt make the right play, he makes the even better play. He does things out there that nobody else would even consider doing. And it works.

You see elements of other players in Marner but in a lot of ways hes most like Paul Kariya; a cerebral player who created glorious plays in the middle of chaos while the whole crowd was expecting him to get crushed by bigger and faster opponents.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 09, 2015, 05:35:36 PM
Jeff Marek on Marner: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/next-up-mitch-marner-patrik-laine-jesse-puljujarvi-lethbridge-hurricanes-prince-george-cougars-world-junior-championship/

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Hes not the fastest player on the ice, doesnt have the hardest shot either. He isnt the most physical player and doesnt wow you with any one particular skill. But nobody thinks the game like Marner does. Hes smart, hes aware, hes slippery and thinks faster than anybody on the ice. Marner just knows where to go.

I talked to one hockey analyst whos seen him extensively who told me: In just about every situation he doesnt make the right play, he makes the even better play. He does things out there that nobody else would even consider doing. And it works.

You see elements of other players in Marner but in a lot of ways hes most like Paul Kariya; a cerebral player who created glorious plays in the middle of chaos while the whole crowd was expecting him to get crushed by bigger and faster opponents.

It's awesome seeing him in that video at age 4 roofing it on a goalie.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on December 09, 2015, 07:24:14 PM
It's awesome seeing him in that video at age 4 roofing it on a goalie.

Yeah, I think it's the same video that's nested in the OP video.
When he was smaller than the rest of his opponents, he would chase them down and knock them down. When he evens out in size, he just goes around them.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 08, 2016, 11:00:32 PM
Business as usual for Marner tonight:  1G 1A in his return to London.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on January 09, 2016, 09:49:09 AM
Business as usual for Marner tonight:  1G 1A in his return to London.

Well, since he averages 2.3 points per game, it was actually a below average night for him. 

You're welcome for the clarification. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on January 09, 2016, 10:13:11 AM
Damn Mitch, this is just not good enough, we need at least 2 goals and 3 assists from you every game!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on January 09, 2016, 12:27:45 PM
Business as usual for Marner tonight:  1G 1A in his return to London.

Well, since he averages 2.3 points per game, it was actually a below average night for him. 

You're welcome for the clarification.

Time to trade him before his value drops any further.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: sampson on January 19, 2016, 10:44:08 AM
I'm not sure if this has been discussed.

Since Marner can only play in the OHL, or the NHL next year, is there a chance he could go the way of Nylander/Matthews and play in Europe next year so he can get some experience playing with men before coming to the NHL?

I just have a hard time seeing him play in the NHL next year with his size.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on January 19, 2016, 11:07:26 AM
It's possible but I think it's unlikely. They will play him in a sheltered role. If he can take a hit then he's good. Johnny Gaudreau is actually smaller and lighter than Marner and doesn't seem to have any problems.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on January 19, 2016, 11:11:26 AM
It's possible but I think it's unlikely. They will play him in a sheltered role. If he can take a hit then he's good. Johnny Gaudreau is actually smaller and lighter than Marner and doesn't seem to have any problems.

Could argue it would be beneficial to him to be in the NHL as the best place for him to get better/stronger playing against the bigger, stronger players.  The thing with players like him (and like you say Gaudreau, or Kane, etc.) is they were small in other leagues too.  They succeed partially because they're shifty and skilled and able to avoid big collisions.  The winning the puck battles type of strength can come in time but the other stuff isn't something you can just work on like strength.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on January 19, 2016, 07:00:02 PM
Getting a team to take a player like Marner likely wouldn't be hard.  Getting a team to take him in a league that will be appropriate for him AND given him guaranteed minutes would be a bit of an issue.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 07, 2016, 01:32:00 AM
We still have this to look forward to:
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on February 07, 2016, 08:29:47 AM
We still have this to look forward to:
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Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 07, 2016, 03:12:49 PM
That skate drag/extension to stay onside. Then that patient pass to the third man in. Then that 2" window to touch tap the hard return pass into the net. ZOMG.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on February 07, 2016, 03:45:25 PM
2 assists so far against Sarnia.  He has 80 points in 39 games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on February 07, 2016, 04:03:52 PM
2 assists so far against Sarnia.  He has 80 points in 39 games.

Yeah, but he's no Evgeny Svechnikov. Detroit obviously drafted the superior prospect.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on February 07, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Make it three as his shot from the point gets deflected in by Tkachuk to tie the game at 3.

EDIT: Make it 4 assists.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 07, 2016, 04:19:55 PM
Make it three as his shot from the point gets deflected in by Dvorak to tie the game at 3.

Make it 4.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on February 07, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
Marner is done with the OHL. This league is absolutely beneath him at this point.  The Leafs are making the wrong decision if they send him back to Juniors next year.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 07, 2016, 04:32:57 PM
Marner is done with the OHL. This league is absolutely beneath him at this point.  The Leafs are making the wrong decision if they send him back to Juniors next year.

At this point even giving him 10 minutes a night on the 4th line with some PP time would be better than the OHL next season. There's no way he going back again.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on February 07, 2016, 06:10:33 PM
Marner is done with the OHL. This league is absolutely beneath him at this point.  The Leafs are making the wrong decision if they send him back to Juniors next year.

Yeah. It just sucks that they can't send him to the AHL. The Marlies would probably be the ideal place for him to be next season if the Leafs are still looking at him as a C.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 07, 2016, 06:40:13 PM
I'm sure Lou can make something happen.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Arn on February 09, 2016, 10:11:45 AM
Send him to Europe Austen Matthews style.

We'll look after him in Belfast.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on February 09, 2016, 10:57:45 AM
Time to alter some stupid rules and let these guys play in the AHL, thats where Marner should be for the next two years instead of being protected on the Leafs third line.
I can't see him going to Europe for some reason
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 11, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 11, 2016, 01:47:21 PM
He's leading 2015 CHL first rounders in primary points (meaning goals/first assists) per game too.  That's getting really microanalyzing, but it shows he's not just racking up a ton of 2nd assists.  Pretty sure I also read his NHL equivalency for points this season is like 55.

Also among all 2015 OHL draftees, Bracco is 4th in PPG.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 12, 2016, 09:39:33 PM
Um

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Deebo on February 12, 2016, 10:12:04 PM
Um


He scored another and assisted on the empty netter, another 3 points.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 12, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
12 points in last 4 games.

The close-up is worth a post too:

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bullfrog on February 12, 2016, 10:51:57 PM
my lord sweet baby jesus.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 12, 2016, 11:05:02 PM
Yeah, so, he doesn't need more OHL time.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 12, 2016, 11:18:56 PM
Yeah, so, he doesn't need more OHL time.

And, although I don't think he could pull that off against NHLers, it does bear some similarity to some of McDavid's moves last night.

Then again, McDavid wasn't playing NHLers last night either.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 12, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Yikes.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Dappleganger on February 13, 2016, 12:20:29 AM
Yeah, so, he doesn't need more OHL time.

Yeah, he done with the OHL.

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 13, 2016, 12:29:31 AM
My favourite part of that goal is all of it.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 13, 2016, 02:53:07 AM
Yeah, so, he doesn't need more OHL time.

Yeah, he done with the OHL.


Well, that's certainly unexpected.  I would have figured Snoop to be more of a Nylander kind of guy.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on February 13, 2016, 08:00:40 AM
He's on a 13-game point streak.  He had a 21-game point streak before that.  So done with the OHL.  He might not be absolutely NHL ready but he is not being helped by playing in the OHL again.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 13, 2016, 09:06:18 AM
L K, I've heard he is also having trouble with taking shorter shifts because it's been too easy for him. Can you confirm?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on February 13, 2016, 09:54:48 AM
Totally sick:  http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/2/12/10983112/watch-mitch-marner-dazzles-to-tie-the-game-for-the-knights
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: nutman on February 13, 2016, 10:20:28 AM
I have been to at least ten games to see him and he impresses me more each time. that was a sic goal, he will be a big stat for the buds. I think sooner than later.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on February 13, 2016, 10:51:45 AM
L K, I've heard he is also having trouble with taking shorter shifts because it's been too easy for him. Can you confirm?

Yes...but.  It's a problem most top junior players get into.  They can handle 1:30, even 2:00 shifts in the OHL because they are just on a completely different level.  We keep looking at Marner's offensive gifts in this thread but the reality is that he is out there on the penalty kill and is always out on the ice in the final minutes of a game.  The penalty kill is 3rd in the OHL at 83.5% despite being shorthanded 255 times in 52 games.  Their powerplay is at 29% (1st in the OHL)  with Marner QBing on the point.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on February 13, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
the rules are archaic, he should be allowed to develop in the AHL.  Hell doesnt this league solely exist to raise your prospects to the NHL level.  The NHL managers have to get together and make some sense out of cases like Marner's
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 13, 2016, 11:14:34 AM
L K, I've heard he is also having trouble with taking shorter shifts because it's been too easy for him. Can you confirm?

Yes...but.  It's a problem most top junior players get into.  They can handle 1:30, even 2:00 shifts in the OHL because they are just on a completely different level.  We keep looking at Marner's offensive gifts in this thread but the reality is that he is out there on the penalty kill and is always out on the ice in the final minutes of a game.  The penalty kill is 3rd in the OHL at 83.5% despite being shorthanded 255 times in 52 games.  Their powerplay is at 29% (1st in the OHL)  with Marner QBing on the point.

Yeah I've noticed that his defensive game gets mentioned quite frequently by scouts (obviously not to the same level as his offensive game but still).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on February 13, 2016, 11:26:22 AM
Welcome back Nutman!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: nutman on February 13, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 15, 2016, 05:06:44 PM
Another 3 point game for Marner today with 2 goals, 1 assist.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 25, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
This was a sweet feed  (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/gotta-see-it-marner-dabs-feeds-teammate-popcorn-during-1-on-1/)from Marner.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: louisstamos on February 25, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
This was a sweet feed (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/gotta-see-it-marner-dabs-feeds-teammate-popcorn-during-1-on-1/) from Marner.

I get jokes. :)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on February 25, 2016, 07:25:26 PM
This was a sweet feed  (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/gotta-see-it-marner-dabs-feeds-teammate-popcorn-during-1-on-1/)from Marner.

Stupid Canadian blackouts!  >:( Although, the upside is I don't have to watch any of the autoplay videos and various other crap Sportsnet tries to force down your throat.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 27, 2016, 08:16:52 PM
4 pt game today.

102 pts in 48 games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on February 27, 2016, 08:18:28 PM
Only 4, just not good enough >:(
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on February 27, 2016, 11:01:55 PM
4 pt game today.

102 pts in 48 games.

3 pts and 101 according to the OHL site.  ;)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on February 27, 2016, 11:21:16 PM
4 pt game today.

102 pts in 48 games.

3 pts and 101 according to the OHL site.  ;)

Dang, you're right.

Trade the bum.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on February 28, 2016, 10:09:22 AM
3 is worse, much worse!!!! :'(
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2016, 10:09:46 AM
So Marner was named OHL player of the month. 10 goals and 18 assists in 12 games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2016, 10:15:00 AM
So Marner was named OHL player of the month. 10 goals and 18 assists in 12 games.

Is that good? It sounds good.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 03, 2016, 10:26:52 AM
Meh.

Only 2.33 PPG.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2016, 10:28:37 AM
So Marner was named OHL player of the month. 10 goals and 18 assists in 12 games.

Is that good? It sounds good.

Well, it's better than 9 goals and 17 assists.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2016, 10:29:20 AM
Craig Button thinks he should go back for another year.  Call him when he hits 3.00 PPG.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2016, 10:32:13 AM
Craig Button thinks he should go back for another year.  Call him when he hits 3.00 PPG.

I'd rather send him to Europe than back to junior, and I dont want to send him to Europe. The OHL next year would be a waste, though it also really sucks he can't go to the AHL.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 03, 2016, 10:33:14 AM
Craig Button thinks he should go back for another year.  Call him when he hits 3.00 PPG.

I'd rather send him to Europe than back to junior, and I dont want to send him to Europe. The OHL next year would be a waste, though it also really sucks he can't go to the AHL.

OHL then call up to the NHL after the deadline?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
Craig Button thinks he should go back for another year.  Call him when he hits 3.00 PPG.

I'd rather send him to Europe than back to junior, and I dont want to send him to Europe. The OHL next year would be a waste, though it also really sucks he can't go to the AHL.

OHL then call up to the NHL after the deadline?

Can't recall someone from the OHL until their junior season is over.

He'll be in the NHL next season guys, and it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 03, 2016, 10:54:28 AM
I've only been able to watch a little of the game.  Is Marner being used on the wing or at centre?

I didn't watch, but it seems like like played primarily on the wing at even-strength. Played centre/took faceoffs on the PK and played on the point on the PP.

What if it isn't CtB,  What if it isn't?  Look at Nylander.  He's played a whole two games in the NHL and doesn't have a point yet.  And he played in the AHL.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: harps64 on March 03, 2016, 11:11:04 AM
Why can't he play in the AHL?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 03, 2016, 11:13:20 AM
Why can't he play in the AHL?

CHL rules that try to keep their star players in the league as long as possible.

Players drafted out of the CHL are ineligible to play for the AHL until they're 20. You might recall Kadri bouncing between the London Knights and the Leafs.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on March 03, 2016, 11:14:16 AM
If he is so good, why is he 11 points back of the scoring leader in the OHL?  A guy who was drafted in the 6th round.  I think that fact combined with his small size is putting him firmly into high probability of being a bust territory.

Nylander + Kapanen + Marner = 0G 0A 0P

Some rebuild.

Seriously, he is way too good for the OHL.  There is really no question in my mind that going back to the OHL is going to be terrible for his development.  There is a good chance that the Knights will have to play Erie at some point in the playoffs and they likely will lose to the Otters (better defense).  Marner is likely going to be available for the AHL playoff run this year.  Once he shows that he can hang at that level it will make the decision much easier in the eyes of Lou/Dubas/Hunter/Shanaplan.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2016, 12:30:13 PM
Why can't he play in the AHL?

CHL rules that try to keep their star players in the league as long as possible.

Players drafted out of the CHL are ineligible to play for the AHL until they're 20. You might recall Kadri bouncing between the London Knights and the Leafs.

I think you're generally right about the age eligibility (although there are exceptions, say, for players whose junior team has been eliminated from the playoffs, or players who've played 4 full years of junior).  But the bouncing that Kadri did was between the Leafs and the Marlies.  Kadri only played one game for the Leafs while he was a London Knight, as an emergency call-up.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 03, 2016, 12:50:00 PM
Why can't he play in the AHL?

CHL rules that try to keep their star players in the league as long as possible.

Players drafted out of the CHL are ineligible to play for the AHL until they're 20. You might recall Kadri bouncing between the London Knights and the Leafs.

I think you're generally right about the age eligibility (although there are exceptions, say, for players whose junior team has been eliminated from the playoffs, or players who've played 4 full years of junior).  But the bouncing that Kadri did was between the Leafs and the Marlies.  Kadri only played one game for the Leafs while he was a London Knight, as an emergency call-up.

Ah yes, my mistake. Thank you for catching that.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
I think you're generally right about the age eligibility (although there are exceptions, say, for players whose junior team has been eliminated from the playoffs, or players who've played 4 full years of junior).  But the bouncing that Kadri did was between the Leafs and the Marlies.  Kadri only played one game for the Leafs while he was a London Knight, as an emergency call-up.

And there are pretty specific circumstances about that - one being that the player cannot have signed his ELC yet, which Marner has.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 03, 2016, 03:42:58 PM

So those CHL rules are stupid, right? The League should probably do something about them.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2016, 04:17:25 PM
So those CHL rules are stupid, right? The League should probably do something about them.

They are pretty stupid. The cut off should be that the player can be assigned after their 18th birthday (since, I believe that's the minimum by the AHL's rules).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 03, 2016, 04:58:12 PM
So those CHL rules are stupid, right? The League should probably do something about them.

They are pretty stupid. The cut off should be that the player can be assigned after their 18th birthday (since, I believe that's the minimum by the AHL's rules).

I don't disagree with you, but perhaps limit it to NHL 1st rounders or give each NHL team one special exemption from the CHL per year, something like that. They'd be burning a lot of CHL bridges if they changed it the way you suggested.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on March 03, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
So those CHL rules are stupid, right? The League should probably do something about them.

They are pretty stupid. The cut off should be that the player can be assigned after their 18th birthday (since, I believe that's the minimum by the AHL's rules).

I would be fine if they made the rule Draft+1.  NHL only for 18 year olds and 19 year olds (according to draft age, not actual age) across the board can play in the AHL.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 03, 2016, 06:24:58 PM

I don't disagree with you, but perhaps limit it to NHL 1st rounders or give each NHL team one special exemption from the CHL per year, something like that. They'd be burning a lot of CHL bridges if they changed it the way you suggested.

The NHL, as we're often told, is a multi-billion dollar business. They shouldn't really be leaving player development decisions up to the considerations of the financial viability of a developmental league.

Besides, what's the difference in the number of players between what you suggest and just a total freedom of teams to develop their picks as they want? How many post-1st round picks are so good that, like Marner, they're clearly not meant to be in Junior any more.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2016, 06:35:04 PM
Wouldn't the financial stability of their main feeder league be of concern to the NHL?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Besides, what's the difference in the number of players between what you suggest and just a total freedom of teams to develop their picks as they want? How many post-1st round picks are so good that, like Marner, they're clearly not meant to be in Junior any more.

Exactly. There won't be enough players drafted outside the 1st round that teams will pull out of CHL leagues for it to be a concern. I mean, really, there won't be a lot of players drafted outside the top 10-15 spots in the draft that teams will feel the need to pull out of junior before they graduate.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2016, 06:57:31 PM
Wouldn't the financial stability of their main feeder league be of concern to the NHL?

Also, I'd imagine if it was as simple as the NHL saying "we're the NHL and what we say goes" this agreement would have already been altered.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on March 03, 2016, 07:09:32 PM
Busta makes a lot of sense on this, this is one of handful of isolated cases and it makes sense for some kind of limited adjustment to the rule, even if the NHL team has to compensate the feeder league.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 03, 2016, 07:14:09 PM
Wouldn't the financial stability of their main feeder league be of concern to the NHL?

Also, I'd imagine if it was as simple as the NHL saying "we're the NHL and what we say goes" this agreement would have already been altered.

That's kinda what I was driving at, it's definitely an inconvenient rule though.

Perhaps LK's proposal of draft+1 would be a reasonable compromise.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 03, 2016, 08:02:53 PM
Wouldn't the financial stability of their main feeder league be of concern to the NHL?

Do you really want to make the case that losing the dozen or so players per year this would affect would mark a major shift in the viability of selling hockey in small Canadian cities? 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2016, 08:06:09 PM
2 assists for Marner and a 3-0 lead so far for London over Erie tonight.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2016, 08:08:01 PM
Do you really want to make the case that losing the dozen or so players per year this would affect would mark a major shift in the viability of selling hockey in small Canadian cities?

Seriously. If that were true, there should already be major concerns about the financial viability of the CHL.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 03, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
Wouldn't the financial stability of their main feeder league be of concern to the NHL?

Also, I'd imagine if it was as simple as the NHL saying "we're the NHL and what we say goes" this agreement would have already been altered.

It's not that simple. I'm sure the CHL would say "well, we have a contractual relationship with these players" to which the NHL would say "If you fight on this, do you really want to make the case for the binding nature of a contract that pays players no money?" to which the CHL will say "well, maybe we start paying players and make you negotiate for their rights if you want them" to which the NHL would say "Let's see how many families sign their kids up for your league instead of the NCAA if you try to prevent them from making millions with us" at which point the CHL is essentially stuck. They'd either have to try to become the NHL's competition or give in. The CHL isn't substantially different from what minor league baseball used to be before MLB teams established the farm system or minor pro soccer leagues.

So why doesn't the NHL push on that? Because there'd be a ton of bad press with them "muscling in on Canadian hockey" and they do reap the benefits of the CHL's existence. But when I said the league should change it my primary concern there isn't with whether or not it threatens the status quo of a system that propogates itself. The NHL should be paying for their own development system the way MLB and big time soccer does. I appreciate that, ultimately, they don't want to but my use of "should" very rarely revolves around what keeps NHL owners lazy and happy.

But it's very much something they could do. And that's why you saw the OHL react as quickly as they did to the Flint situation. If the NHL decides that they aren't 100% comfortable with how their players are being developed they absolutely can put a stop to the relationship they have with the CHL unilaterally.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 04, 2016, 09:33:12 AM

So those CHL rules are stupid, right? The League should probably do something about them.

They are pretty stupid. The cut off should be that the player can be assigned after their 18th birthday (since, I believe that's the minimum by the AHL's rules).

I don't disagree with you, but perhaps limit it to NHL 1st rounders or give each NHL team one special exemption from the CHL per year, something like that. They'd be burning a lot of CHL bridges if they changed it the way you suggested.

This is what I've suggested before too. And no doubt many before us. It makes the most sense.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on March 16, 2016, 10:05:12 PM
Yawn.  3 more assists tonight (2 primary).  115 points on the year.  He is 1 point away from 300 career OHL points ad 4 goals away from 100.

The Knights have two games left on the season.  A home and home against Erie.  Currently they hold a 2 point lead on 1st overall in the OHL over Erie.  Erie is going to beat the snot out of Owen Sound tomorrow so this is pretty much the best you could ask for a finish to the regular season.  Winner takes all for a considerably easier path through a very difficult Western Conference.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 19, 2016, 01:03:16 AM
Yawn.  3 more assists tonight (2 primary).  115 points on the year.  He is 1 point away from 300 career OHL points ad 4 goals away from 100.

The Knights have two games left on the season.  A home and home against Erie.  Currently they hold a 2 point lead on 1st overall in the OHL over Erie.  Erie is going to beat the snot out of Owen Sound tomorrow so this is pretty much the best you could ask for a finish to the regular season.  Winner takes all for a considerably easier path through a very difficult Western Conference.

London beats Erie 4-2 tonight, Marner with 2 assists including this one:  https://streamable.com/u4od
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on March 19, 2016, 01:06:15 AM
Yawn.  3 more assists tonight (2 primary).  115 points on the year.  He is 1 point away from 300 career OHL points ad 4 goals away from 100.

The Knights have two games left on the season.  A home and home against Erie.  Currently they hold a 2 point lead on 1st overall in the OHL over Erie.  Erie is going to beat the snot out of Owen Sound tomorrow so this is pretty much the best you could ask for a finish to the regular season.  Winner takes all for a considerably easier path through a very difficult Western Conference.

London beats Erie 4-2 tonight, Marner with 2 assists including this one:  https://streamable.com/u4od

Mitch Marner.  He's just not ready.   Nice hair though.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on March 19, 2016, 10:01:53 AM
That was sick, bring him up, Holland is down.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on March 19, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
Yawn.  3 more assists tonight (2 primary).  115 points on the year.  He is 1 point away from 300 career OHL points ad 4 goals away from 100.

The Knights have two games left on the season.  A home and home against Erie.  Currently they hold a 2 point lead on 1st overall in the OHL over Erie.  Erie is going to beat the snot out of Owen Sound tomorrow so this is pretty much the best you could ask for a finish to the regular season.  Winner takes all for a considerably easier path through a very difficult Western Conference.

London beats Erie 4-2 tonight, Marner with 2 assists including this one:  https://streamable.com/u4od

Mitch Marner.  He's just not ready.   Nice hair though.

I believe the highlights showed Shanahan and Lou at the game last night.

EDIT:  How's J.J. Puccinich looking?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on March 19, 2016, 10:26:49 AM
He's wearing 93. Hopefully he's drinking Ensure and saying Frig you to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: KadriFan on March 19, 2016, 10:39:27 AM
Has he put on any muscle this season?   At 160 he will get hurt for sure if they bring him up. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 19, 2016, 12:54:23 PM
Guy's a matchstick. I call pre-bust. I'll just say again we should have taken McDavid over him.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on March 19, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
Has he put on any muscle this season?   At 160 he will get hurt for sure if they bring him up.
Gaudreau is smaller and weighs less than Marner.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 19, 2016, 01:12:52 PM
Has he put on any muscle this season?   At 160 he will get hurt for sure if they bring him up.
Gaudreau is smaller and weighs less than Marner.

Nylander is clocking in at 169 right now
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on March 19, 2016, 01:58:56 PM
Has he put on any muscle this season?   At 160 he will get hurt for sure if they bring him up.
Gaudreau is smaller and weighs less than Marner.

Nylander is clocking in at 169 right now

There are exceptions sure,  but let's not assume that it doesn't matter.

They will probably never tip the scales at 200lbs,  but they'll need to get stronger to be top centremen.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on March 19, 2016, 02:05:47 PM
Has he put on any muscle this season?   At 160 he will get hurt for sure if they bring him up.
Gaudreau is smaller and weighs less than Marner.

Nylander is clocking in at 169 right now

There are exceptions sure,  but let's not assume that it doesn't matter.

They will probably never tip the scales at 200lbs,  but they'll need to get stronger to be top centremen.

Sure, but every junior player needs to get stronger coming into the NHL, so it's not like this is some unique scenario.  I don't know if I'd call them 'exceptions' there are probably just as many really strong players who fail in the NHL.  It's probably more important to have the types of skills that Marner/Gaudreau/Giroux/Kane types have (such as elusiveness, elite vision) than strength at this point.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Dappleganger on March 19, 2016, 05:41:28 PM
I swear to god the highest scoring player of all time played at 6ft 170lbs.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 19, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
I swear to god the highest scoring player of all time played at 6ft 170lbs.

Yeah, but what were his possession stats?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: McGarnagle on March 19, 2016, 08:14:15 PM
I swear to god the highest scoring player of all time played at 6ft 170lbs.

Yeah, but what were his possession stats?

He possesses the Hart, Lester B. Pearson, Art Ross, Conn Smythe, and a cup or two.  ;)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 20, 2016, 07:43:57 AM
Finished with 116 points in 57 games for 2.04 points per game. Where's the other point per game, Mitch?

 ;D
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: KadriFan on March 20, 2016, 08:44:58 AM
I swear to god the highest scoring player of all time played at 6ft 170lbs.

Yep, all we need is a young Dave Seminko to protect him.  Hoping Mitch manages to put on 10 pounds this summer....would love to see him get a few games in Toronto next season
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Deebo on March 28, 2016, 10:33:39 PM
2G 1A in game 3 tonight:

http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/mar-2816-gm3-london-5-owen-sound-1
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 29, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
2G 1A in game 3 tonight:

http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/mar-2816-gm3-london-5-owen-sound-1

Here be them goals specifically:
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 29, 2016, 12:02:20 PM
Funny "block attempt" by the dman on goal #2.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 29, 2016, 12:05:49 PM
Funny "block attempt" by the dman on goal #2.

Funny "stand still and do absolutely nothing attempt" by the right side dman on goal #1 too.

Not that it should take anything away from Marner though, some of the best highlight reel NHL goals have defencemen doing absolutely nothing too.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 29, 2016, 01:00:39 PM
Funny "block attempt" by the dman on goal #2.

Funny "stand still and do absolutely nothing attempt" by the right side dman on goal #1 too.

Not that it should take anything away from Marner though, some of the best highlight reel NHL goals have defencemen doing absolutely nothing too.

Or doing a lot and still getting owned.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 30, 2016, 09:55:17 PM
1 goal and 4 assists for Marner tonight in an 8-5 London win.

Tkachuk had 4 goals and 1 assist.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on March 30, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
Underwhelming.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 30, 2016, 10:54:39 PM
Video highlights: http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/mar-3016-gm4-london-8-owen-sound-5

Highlight of the video: how surprised the commentator sounds every time he says Pu scores.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2016, 08:29:14 AM
Somewhat related, Max Jones looks like he's going to be in a bit of trouble after this hit last night:

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 31, 2016, 08:55:57 AM

I know what I'm about to say makes very little sense but in some ways I'd almost rather hear that Marner had hit some sort of wall or was struggling in some way. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 31, 2016, 09:05:00 AM
I'm guess Max Jones will now get to laugh it up in the press box.


I know what I'm about to say makes very little sense but in some ways I'd almost rather hear that Marner had hit some sort of wall or was struggling in some way.

It makes sense if you want Marner to season for another year as the definite #1 on his team, rather than just one member of the Justice Knights of London.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 31, 2016, 09:17:19 AM
I'm guess Max Jones will now get to laugh it up in the press box.


I know what I'm about to say makes very little sense but in some ways I'd almost rather hear that Marner had hit some sort of wall or was struggling in some way.

It makes sense if you want Marner to season for another year as the definite #1 on his team, rather than just one member of the Justice Knights of London.

I don't know what that means.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on March 31, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/batmans.jpg)

vs

(http://static3.techinsider.io/image/56600474c28144bc018b701b-2505-1044/batman-v-superman-trinity.png)


Edit: I wish I was better at Photoshop.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 01, 2016, 02:26:22 PM
Not exactly Marner related, but since we mentioned him here already:

Good job, OHL. Leading the way.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 01, 2016, 04:46:44 PM
Not exactly Marner related, but since we mentioned him here already:

Good job, OHL. Leading the way.

Eh...I mean yeah, good job.  Last year Marner got concussed by Mason Marchment and he only got 10 games for a vicious head hit.   
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 01, 2016, 05:15:51 PM
Not exactly Marner related, but since we mentioned him here already:

Good job, OHL. Leading the way.

Eh...I mean yeah, good job.  Last year Marner got concussed by Mason Marchment and he only got 10 games for a vicious head hit.   

Whatever it takes to get that stuff out of the game.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 01, 2016, 06:19:26 PM
I'm guess Max Jones will now get to laugh it up in the press box.


I know what I'm about to say makes very little sense but in some ways I'd almost rather hear that Marner had hit some sort of wall or was struggling in some way.

It makes sense if you want Marner to season for another year as the definite #1 on his team, rather than just one member of the Justice Knights of London.

Piccinich, Pu, Jones, a bigger role for Thomas and probably Tkachuk will be back in the OHL next year.  Marner doesn't need the superfriends to score and there is no benefit to a scenario where Marner is the #1 guy with no other talented players with Marner.  His game is done for the OHL.  The only thing another year does is give him a 3rd post-draft offseason before he plays AHL/NHL ice-time. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 09, 2016, 08:20:41 AM
This guy is okay, I guess.

Piccinich was in on it too:

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: KGB on April 09, 2016, 12:23:34 PM
I love that goal.  A deliberate change-up that handcuffed the goalie.  That takes some brains. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on April 09, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
I get accused of being to much of an enthusiast of our talent: given Nylander is ready now, probably Shosnikov, Hyman as well. Marner has no where to go except the Leafs so it seems.  When you look at the rest of the prospects: Bracco, Piccinich (I have a Pinocchio joke coming on), Leipsec, Leivo, Timoshav, Neilson and a few others their is reason for optimism, a lot of it.  Pitch in a top draft pick and 11 others and the cupboard may be half full instead of full empty. (remember 3 years ago).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2016, 05:35:30 PM
London's up 4-3 on Kitchener in the 3rd.  Marner with 1G and 2A so far.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 10, 2016, 06:15:15 PM
Was at the game this afternoon.  Marner was his usual absurdly skilled self.  Victor Mete probably had his best game in about 30 today.

Marner finished with 1G 3A for 4 points.  He now leads the postseason with 19 points in 8 games.

Last year he had 142 points in 70 games - 2.03 PPG in the regular season + postseason
This year he is now up to 135 points in 65 games - 2.08 PPG
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on April 10, 2016, 11:45:35 PM
Was at the game this afternoon.  Marner was his usual absurdly skilled self.  Victor Mete probably had his best game in about 30 today.

Marner finished with 1G 3A for 4 points.  He now leads the postseason with 19 points in 8 games.

Last year he had 142 points in 70 games - 2.03 PPG in the regular season + postseason
This year he is now up to 135 points in 65 games - 2.08 PPG
He really does seem absurdly gifted. I hope he can play for the Leafs next year as it makes no sense to keep him down. He just looked so out of place this year at training camp though.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 13, 2016, 09:28:26 AM
Marner picked up an assist in a 2-1 overtime win over Kitchener.  London is up 3-0 in the series.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2016, 10:48:11 AM
Funny situation in London: In order to vote for the league's MVP award each team submits their own team MVP and the OHL writers/broadcasters vote from that pool of players. Since the Knights thought Marner and Christian Dvorak were equally important to their team, they actually flipped a coin to decide their nominee and Marner was the lucky winner.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/13/coin-flip-puts-marner-in-mvp-race
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2016, 10:56:41 AM
Funny situation in London: In order to vote for the league's MVP award each team submits their own team MVP and the OHL writers/broadcasters vote from that pool of players. Since the Knights thought Marner and Christian Dvorak were equally important to their team, they actually flipped a coin to decide their nominee and Marner was the lucky winner.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/13/coin-flip-puts-marner-in-mvp-race

Strome didn't even get the benefit of a coin flip in Erie, as he's not their nominee.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on April 14, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
Funny situation in London: In order to vote for the league's MVP award each team submits their own team MVP and the OHL writers/broadcasters vote from that pool of players. Since the Knights thought Marner and Christian Dvorak were equally important to their team, they actually flipped a coin to decide their nominee and Marner was the lucky winner.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/13/coin-flip-puts-marner-in-mvp-race

Strome didn't even get the benefit of a coin flip in Erie, as he's not their nominee.

Who is their's?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 14, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
Funny situation in London: In order to vote for the league's MVP award each team submits their own team MVP and the OHL writers/broadcasters vote from that pool of players. Since the Knights thought Marner and Christian Dvorak were equally important to their team, they actually flipped a coin to decide their nominee and Marner was the lucky winner.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/13/coin-flip-puts-marner-in-mvp-race

Strome didn't even get the benefit of a coin flip in Erie, as he's not their nominee.

Who is their's?

Devin Williams, their goalie.  Finished 2nd in GAA (Behind Tyler Parsons) and 3rd in SV% (Behind Parsons and Mackenzie Blackwood)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 14, 2016, 09:23:02 PM
London down 3-0, then 4-1, and go on to win 6-4.

Marner 3 goals 1 assist including the 5th and 6th goals of the game.

London finishes off Kitchener with the sweep.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on April 14, 2016, 09:25:27 PM
London down 3-0, then 4-1, and go on to win 6-4.

Marner 3 goals 1 assist including the 5th and 6th goals of the game.

London finishes off Kitchener with the sweep.

tough way to lose for kitchener ..but wow..Marner really has outgrown the OHL hasn't he?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on April 14, 2016, 09:27:32 PM
WOW Marner.  He is incredible.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Deebo on April 14, 2016, 09:35:02 PM
24 pts in 10 playoff games
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on April 14, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
Funny situation in London: In order to vote for the league's MVP award each team submits their own team MVP and the OHL writers/broadcasters vote from that pool of players. Since the Knights thought Marner and Christian Dvorak were equally important to their team, they actually flipped a coin to decide their nominee and Marner was the lucky winner.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/13/coin-flip-puts-marner-in-mvp-race

Strome didn't even get the benefit of a coin flip in Erie, as he's not their nominee.

I noticed Bracco has more playoff points than Strome right now.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 14, 2016, 09:56:46 PM
24 pts in 10 playoff games

2015 - 49 points
2014 - 32 points
2013 - 41 points
2012 - 27 points
2011 - 24 points
2010 - 35 points
2009 - 36 points

Marner is heading into postseason elite company.  In years where the player who scores >PPG in the postseason you are looking at Connor McDavid, Mark Scheifele and Taylor Hall.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Dappleganger on April 14, 2016, 10:05:28 PM
24 pts in 10 playoff games

2015 - 49 points
2014 - 32 points
2013 - 41 points
2012 - 27 points
2011 - 24 points
2010 - 35 points
2009 - 36 points

Marner is heading into postseason elite company.  In years where the player who scores >PPG in the postseason you are looking at Connor McDavid, Mark Scheifele and Taylor Hall.

What's the record for most OHL post-season points?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2016, 10:15:08 PM
24 pts in 10 playoff games

2015 - 49 points
2014 - 32 points
2013 - 41 points
2012 - 27 points
2011 - 24 points
2010 - 35 points
2009 - 36 points

Marner is heading into postseason elite company.  In years where the player who scores >PPG in the postseason you are looking at Connor McDavid, Mark Scheifele and Taylor Hall.

What's the record for most OHL post-season points?

I don't know if it's the record, but Justin Papineau had 51 points in 21 games in 1999.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 14, 2016, 10:51:43 PM

I don't know if it's the record, but Justin Papineau had 51 points in 21 games in 1999.

It's obviously a different league and different time but Mario Lemieux had 52 points in just 14 playoff games his last year of junior.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on April 14, 2016, 11:17:28 PM
24 pts in 10 playoff games

2015 - 49 points
2014 - 32 points
2013 - 41 points
2012 - 27 points
2011 - 24 points
2010 - 35 points
2009 - 36 points

Marner is heading into postseason elite company.  In years where the player who scores >PPG in the postseason you are looking at Connor McDavid, Mark Scheifele and Taylor Hall.

What's the record for most OHL post-season points?

I don't know if it's the record, but Justin Papineau had 51 points in 21 games in 1999.

You're going to scare the hell out of everyone with that reference. Lol

From Wikipedia..
"Papineau was once compared to star Steve Yzerman, but those comparisons never came to fruition at the NHL level"
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 15, 2016, 07:37:52 AM

I don't know if it's the record, but Justin Papineau had 51 points in 21 games in 1999.

It's obviously a different league and different time but Mario Lemieux had 52 points in just 14 playoff games his last year of junior.

So you're proposing Lemieux > Papineau?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 15, 2016, 07:52:33 AM
London down 3-0, then 4-1, and go on to win 6-4.

Marner 3 goals 1 assist including the 5th and 6th goals of the game.

London finishes off Kitchener with the sweep.

Marner will likely get credited on Pu's goal as he tipped it in front. Can't wait to see him play in Blue and White.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 15, 2016, 08:46:38 AM

I don't know if it's the record, but Justin Papineau had 51 points in 21 games in 1999.

It's obviously a different league and different time but Mario Lemieux had 52 points in just 14 playoff games his last year of junior.

So you're proposing Lemieux > Papineau?

You know how I like to stir up controversy.

But really I was just looking around at some of the top players and looking at their junior numbers. That last year in Laval Lemieux, between the playoffs and regular season, scored 334 points in 84 games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 15, 2016, 09:11:29 AM
24 pts in 10 playoff games

2015 - 49 points
2014 - 32 points
2013 - 41 points
2012 - 27 points
2011 - 24 points
2010 - 35 points
2009 - 36 points

Marner is heading into postseason elite company.  In years where the player who scores >PPG in the postseason you are looking at Connor McDavid, Mark Scheifele and Taylor Hall.

What's the record for most OHL post-season points?

I don't know if it's the record, but Justin Papineau had 51 points in 21 games in 1999.

You're going to scare the hell out of everyone with that reference. Lol

From Wikipedia..
"Papineau was once compared to star Steve Yzerman, but those comparisons never came to fruition at the NHL level"

Yeah, he was a bust but I guess you'd have to say he got the last laugh when you guys elected him Prime Minister last year.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on April 15, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
London down 3-0, then 4-1, and go on to win 6-4.

Marner 3 goals 1 assist including the 5th and 6th goals of the game.

London finishes off Kitchener with the sweep.

I was at the game last night and got to see Marner in all his glory. What really impressed me was the way he came out in the third period with his team trailing by two. In particular the GWG with three minutes left in the 3rd was spectacular. He took the puck just outside the Rangers blue line, split two defenders with a slick move then rifled it off the goalies shoulder top shelf.

I can't find any ice time stats but it seemed like he never left the ice in the 3rd. He was even on defending the one goal lead at the end of the game and scored an empty netter (and just missed another). Can't wait to see what he can do next year.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 15, 2016, 03:31:05 PM
Here's the video (keep getting an error using the youtube tags:

https://youtu.be/SNPPnY-uFUA
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Omallley on April 15, 2016, 05:13:37 PM
His playoff numbers are impressive.

Leading the OHL in playoff points (9G, 15A), points per game (2.4), and +/- (+18). That, and he's scoring on 25.7% of shots.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 15, 2016, 05:22:11 PM
Here's the video (keep getting an error using the youtube tags:

https://youtu.be/SNPPnY-uFUA

The tags work best for me with the desktop Address Bar url, rather than the share or mobile address, with http://, i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPPnY-uFUA
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPPnY-uFUA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 16, 2016, 08:41:47 AM
Strome had a 5-point game to help Erie eliminate SSM in 5 games.

Niagara @ Barrie
London @ Erie - Marner/Piccinich vs. Dermott
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Dappleganger on April 16, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
Good news for Leaf fans. You can get a pretty good player drafting 4th overall.  8)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 16, 2016, 11:45:41 PM
The tags work best for me with the desktop Address Bar url, rather than the share or mobile address, with http://, i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPPnY-uFUA

Thanks herman!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 17, 2016, 11:14:31 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrRrhuCzuw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Deebo on April 20, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 20, 2016, 08:39:07 PM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

Yeah but he's skinny and short. BUST!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on April 21, 2016, 07:31:45 AM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

I wonder if the Leafs would consider trading the 1st pick (If they won it) to Phoenix for Dvorak and their pick, and then try and get Tkachuk. If the Leafs could somehow reunite this top London Knight's line, it might be worth more than getting Matthews. They have a combined 76 points in their first 11 playoff games. That is some out-of-this-world chemistry there.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bullfrog on April 21, 2016, 07:53:16 AM
No, they won't. They'll take the best player available.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 21, 2016, 08:02:08 AM
No, they won't. They'll take the best player available.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on April 21, 2016, 08:31:36 AM
No, they won't. They'll take the best player available.

This. A million times this. So much this.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 21, 2016, 10:17:54 AM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

I wonder if the Leafs would consider trading the 1st pick (If they won it) to Phoenix for Dvorak and their pick, and then try and get Tkachuk. If the Leafs could somehow reunite this top London Knight's line, it might be worth more than getting Matthews. They have a combined 76 points in their first 11 playoff games. That is some out-of-this-world chemistry there.

Leaving aside just the fact that would be a bananas terrible return on the 1st overall pick I think it's pretty bizarre to attribute the success they're having to "chemistry". Dvorak is a second round pick playing in his second post-draft year of junior. Marner was a 4th overall pick who's playing in a post draft year of junior. Tkachuk is probably going to be a top 5 pick. That's an incredible collection of individual talent and maturity to be on a junior hockey team, let alone a single line. On the back-end they've got Juolevi who's also probably a top 10 pick. They're scoring a bunch of points because they're really good, not because they're best buddies 4 lyfe.

I'm not saying chemistry isn't a thing but we see every Olympics that if you put talented hockey players together they figure out a way to play with each other pretty quickly regardless of whether or not they've spent a single minute playing with each other before. Talent wins out. That's what's going on in London, that's why the Leafs will take Matthews with the #1 pick if they have the chance.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 21, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

I wonder if the Leafs would consider trading the 1st pick (If they won it) to Phoenix for Dvorak and their pick, and then try and get Tkachuk. If the Leafs could somehow reunite this top London Knight's line, it might be worth more than getting Matthews. They have a combined 76 points in their first 11 playoff games. That is some out-of-this-world chemistry there.

Leaving aside just the fact that would be a bananas terrible return on the 1st overall pick I think it's pretty bizarre to attribute the success they're having to "chemistry". Dvorak is a second round pick playing in his second post-draft year of junior. Marner was a 4th overall pick who's playing in a post draft year of junior. Tkachuk is probably going to be a top 5 pick. That's an incredible collection of individual talent and maturity to be on a junior hockey team, let alone a single line. On the back-end they've got Juolevi who's also probably a top 10 pick. They're scoring a bunch of points because they're really good, not because they're best buddies 4 lyfe.

I'm not saying chemistry isn't a thing but we see every Olympics that if you put talented hockey players together they figure out a way to play with each other pretty quickly regardless of whether or not they've spent a single minute playing with each other before. Talent wins out. That's what's going on in London, that's why the Leafs will take Matthews with the #1 pick if they have the chance.

I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Tigger on April 21, 2016, 11:30:25 AM
I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

C20H25N3O?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 21, 2016, 11:33:54 AM
I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

C20H25N3O?

I was just thinking C8H10N4O2; yours is a bit too much for the morning.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Tigger on April 21, 2016, 11:36:04 AM
 :)

Yeah, though the M&M's are so vapor trail-y when I think about it...
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 21, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
:)

Yeah, though the M&M's are so vapor trail-y when I think about it...

Like watching them on Fox Sports, circa 1998.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Tigger on April 21, 2016, 12:01:37 PM
Fox trax, oh yeah...

Marner to Matthews swoosh, back to Marner swoosh, back to Matthews swoosh... scores! star wars laser fire/net set ablaze sound effects...
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 21, 2016, 12:05:48 PM
Fox trax, oh yeah...

Marner to Matthews swoosh, back to Marner swoosh, back to Matthews swoosh... scores! star wars laser fire/net set ablaze sound effects...

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EKu7TYWNxqA/maxresdefault.jpg)

I felt a great disturbance in the Fanbase, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in jubilation.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on April 21, 2016, 12:12:46 PM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

I wonder if the Leafs would consider trading the 1st pick (If they won it) to Phoenix for Dvorak and their pick, and then try and get Tkachuk. If the Leafs could somehow reunite this top London Knight's line, it might be worth more than getting Matthews. They have a combined 76 points in their first 11 playoff games. That is some out-of-this-world chemistry there.

Leaving aside just the fact that would be a bananas terrible return on the 1st overall pick I think it's pretty bizarre to attribute the success they're having to "chemistry". Dvorak is a second round pick playing in his second post-draft year of junior. Marner was a 4th overall pick who's playing in a post draft year of junior. Tkachuk is probably going to be a top 5 pick. That's an incredible collection of individual talent and maturity to be on a junior hockey team, let alone a single line. On the back-end they've got Juolevi who's also probably a top 10 pick. They're scoring a bunch of points because they're really good, not because they're best buddies 4 lyfe.

I'm not saying chemistry isn't a thing but we see every Olympics that if you put talented hockey players together they figure out a way to play with each other pretty quickly regardless of whether or not they've spent a single minute playing with each other before. Talent wins out. That's what's going on in London, that's why the Leafs will take Matthews with the #1 pick if they have the chance.

I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

That would be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 21, 2016, 12:28:14 PM
I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

That would be pretty sweet.

Sweeter than Dvorak/Marner?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on April 21, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
Sweeter than Tupelo Honey?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on April 21, 2016, 05:08:13 PM
I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

That would be pretty sweet.

Sweeter than Dvorak/Marner?

Of course. It's when you throw in a another high first rounder, that it starts to get more enticing for me.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Al14 on April 22, 2016, 09:28:40 AM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

I wonder if the Leafs would consider trading the 1st pick (If they won it) to Phoenix for Dvorak and their pick, and then try and get Tkachuk. If the Leafs could somehow reunite this top London Knight's line, it might be worth more than getting Matthews. They have a combined 76 points in their first 11 playoff games. That is some out-of-this-world chemistry there.

Leaving aside just the fact that would be a bananas terrible return on the 1st overall pick I think it's pretty bizarre to attribute the success they're having to "chemistry". Dvorak is a second round pick playing in his second post-draft year of junior. Marner was a 4th overall pick who's playing in a post draft year of junior. Tkachuk is probably going to be a top 5 pick. That's an incredible collection of individual talent and maturity to be on a junior hockey team, let alone a single line. On the back-end they've got Juolevi who's also probably a top 10 pick. They're scoring a bunch of points because they're really good, not because they're best buddies 4 lyfe.

I'm not saying chemistry isn't a thing but we see every Olympics that if you put talented hockey players together they figure out a way to play with each other pretty quickly regardless of whether or not they've spent a single minute playing with each other before. Talent wins out. That's what's going on in London, that's why the Leafs will take Matthews with the #1 pick if they have the chance.

I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

Wake up!  Stop daydreaming!  Well, at least wait to continue dreaming until we actually win the lottery.   :-\

I'm not so confident that we'll win it!  I'd put money on Phoenix winning it!   ;)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zee on April 22, 2016, 09:38:37 AM
4 more points with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period in  game 1 against Erie tonight.

I wonder if the Leafs would consider trading the 1st pick (If they won it) to Phoenix for Dvorak and their pick, and then try and get Tkachuk. If the Leafs could somehow reunite this top London Knight's line, it might be worth more than getting Matthews. They have a combined 76 points in their first 11 playoff games. That is some out-of-this-world chemistry there.

Leaving aside just the fact that would be a bananas terrible return on the 1st overall pick I think it's pretty bizarre to attribute the success they're having to "chemistry". Dvorak is a second round pick playing in his second post-draft year of junior. Marner was a 4th overall pick who's playing in a post draft year of junior. Tkachuk is probably going to be a top 5 pick. That's an incredible collection of individual talent and maturity to be on a junior hockey team, let alone a single line. On the back-end they've got Juolevi who's also probably a top 10 pick. They're scoring a bunch of points because they're really good, not because they're best buddies 4 lyfe.

I'm not saying chemistry isn't a thing but we see every Olympics that if you put talented hockey players together they figure out a way to play with each other pretty quickly regardless of whether or not they've spent a single minute playing with each other before. Talent wins out. That's what's going on in London, that's why the Leafs will take Matthews with the #1 pick if they have the chance.

I am envisioning the Matthews/Marner chemistry right now.

Wake up!  Stop daydreaming!  Well, at least wait to continue dreaming until we actually win the lottery.   :-\

I'm not so confident that we'll win it!  I'd put money on Phoenix winning it!   ;)

One more week to go!  At least then all the speculation will be over with (at least with respect to draft order).  The new speculation will be who the Leafs choose in their draft position (provided they're not #1)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: lamajama on April 23, 2016, 01:57:49 PM
I gave a friend 100-1 odds Leafs won't get #1 pick. We each threw in a loonie.

I'm gonna be peed off when he hands me his loonie....
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 24, 2016, 07:32:36 PM
Marner with a goal less than 1 minute into game 2. Knights with a 3-0 lead late in the first.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 24, 2016, 10:38:47 PM
Marner with a goal less than 1 minute into game 2. Knights with a 3-0 lead late in the first.

"Only" a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.  Dude is slipping.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 25, 2016, 11:41:56 AM
Marner with a goal less than 1 minute into game 2. Knights with a 3-0 lead late in the first.

"Only" a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.  Dude is slipping.

Trade him before he bottoms out!!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 25, 2016, 01:32:24 PM
Marner with a goal less than 1 minute into game 2. Knights with a 3-0 lead late in the first.

"Only" a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.  Dude is slipping.

Trade him before he bottoms out!!

Probably too late.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on April 25, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
Marner with a goal less than 1 minute into game 2. Knights with a 3-0 lead late in the first.

"Only" a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.  Dude is slipping.

Trade him before he bottoms out!!

Probably too late.

Man, the speed at which these prospects go from bank to bust is really getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 25, 2016, 04:21:57 PM
Marner with a goal less than 1 minute into game 2. Knights with a 3-0 lead late in the first.

"Only" a goal and an assist in a 6-1 win.  Dude is slipping.

Trade him before he bottoms out!!

Probably too late.

Man, the speed at which these prospects go from bank to bust is really getting out of hand.

Truly, it can happen in a matter of days.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on April 26, 2016, 09:00:31 PM
He heard your criticisms and has responded with 3 points.  Still 10:00 left to add to it.

EDIT: And a 4th point.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 26, 2016, 09:22:44 PM
10 points in 3 games against Erie.  He probably needs another year or two in the minors.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 26, 2016, 10:40:23 PM
He heard your criticisms and has responded with 3 points.  Still 10:00 left to add to it.

EDIT: And a 4th point.

But can he play a 200-foot game?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on April 26, 2016, 11:31:43 PM
This is basically a Marner highlight reel: http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/apr-2616-gm3-erie-1-london-5

Some of the nicest didn't even end up as goals.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 27, 2016, 12:51:44 AM
This is basically a Marner highlight reel: http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/apr-2616-gm3-erie-1-london-5

Some of the nicest didn't even end up as goals.

Man, this kid has some sick moves. That was Strome he undressed near the end of the first. He didn't score but the refs should have given him the goal anyway.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 27, 2016, 05:53:09 AM
He's seriously like a ringer now, it's hilarious to watch, it's to the point where it is almost detrimental to his development. If you're not being challenged, do you improve as quickly?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 27, 2016, 08:51:35 AM
This is basically a Marner highlight reel: http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/apr-2616-gm3-erie-1-london-5

Some of the nicest didn't even end up as goals.

Man, this kid has some sick moves. That was Strome he undressed near the end of the first. He didn't score but the refs should have given him the goal anyway.

If that went in, that would've been instant Seppuku for Strome and the goalie (Williams?).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bullfrog on April 27, 2016, 09:39:16 AM
He's seriously like a ringer now, it's hilarious to watch, it's to the point where it is almost detrimental to his development. If you're not being challenged, do you improve as quickly?

I don't think you do. When I was in martial arts, the number one rule we tried to practice was to compete against people who were better than you. It was easily the fastest way to get better.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on April 27, 2016, 10:00:10 AM
Gretzky turned out okay being clearly better than everyone at all levels he played at.  Not that I'm saying Gretzky is as good as Marner.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 27, 2016, 10:29:38 AM
He's seriously like a ringer now, it's hilarious to watch, it's to the point where it is almost detrimental to his development. If you're not being challenged, do you improve as quickly?

I don't think you do. When I was in martial arts, the number one rule we tried to practice was to compete against people who were better than you. It was easily the fastest way to get better.

To a certain extent, this depends on where his sense of motivation lies: intrinsically or extrinsically. Obviously playing against better competition would help him identify gaps in his game or spur him to build his play differently to account for the competition, but Marner appears to have an intrinsic motivation to excel and play above his size (without being an automaton like McDavid and Crosby).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on April 27, 2016, 10:42:20 AM
its true, when I play with a better golfer my compete level usually comes up and I get into a better zone, when I play with a hacker my game tends to go to s__t
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 27, 2016, 11:16:00 AM

I really do think it's getting to a point where keeping him up next year really is a no-brainer. Even if you think he might get exposed defensively or physically I think you either have to see if that's true or at least see how he responds to it being true because it's pretty clear that it won't happen if he spends another year in junior.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bullfrog on April 27, 2016, 11:18:41 AM
I agree with that. I don't necessarily think spending another year in the OHL would be detrimental, but rather that it won't be as beneficial as it would be to put him in a higher level of competition.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on April 27, 2016, 11:20:59 AM

I really do think it's getting to a point where keeping him up next year really is a no-brainer. Even if you think he might get exposed defensively or physically I think you either have to see if that's true or at least see how he responds to it being true because it's pretty clear that it won't happen if he spends another year in junior.

I've come to the same conclusion.  This is one of those situations where I think they need an exemption for 19 year old top-ten picks (or whatever limitation they agree to) to be AHL eligible.

I get that the OHL wants to keep their talent to draw fans, but I'm wondering if there isn't some sort of cash payment to the OHL team from the team that drafted the player that could make this kind of arrangement more palatable to the OHL.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 27, 2016, 07:34:59 PM
It's all a mental thing. I don't think going back to the OHL for another season would be detrimental solely because of the level of hockey he's playing. It'd be detrimental if he wasn't fully committed to playing in that league and started sleepwalking through the season. And that certainly doesn't seem to have been the case this season. But yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll be in the NHL next season.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 27, 2016, 08:13:23 PM
Marner putting on a show again tonight with some pretty sick moves. There is an HD youtube stream up if anyone wants to watch. I won't post the link, but you'll find it pretty clearly in this thread (no popups, just private Youtube)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Deebo on April 27, 2016, 08:58:05 PM
4-1 London with 10 minutes to go in the third.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on April 28, 2016, 07:08:58 AM
A disappointing 1G/1A in the 5-1 win over Erie.  I can't believe how easily London ran over Erie in the series.  Outscored them 23-7 in the series.

Marner - 5G 7A 12P  vs. Strome 0G 3A 3P
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on April 28, 2016, 08:56:15 AM
I think the case for Marner is he will be with the Leafs albeit in a sheltered role to start out, perhaps some 4th line minutes.  Not that another year in London would kill him either
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: azzurri63 on April 28, 2016, 09:10:53 AM
Marner putting on a show again tonight with some pretty sick moves. There is an HD youtube stream up if anyone wants to watch. I won't post the link, but you'll find it pretty clearly in this thread (no popups, just private Youtube)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

Like to see this but doesn't work. Has it been removed?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 28, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Marner putting on a show again tonight with some pretty sick moves. There is an HD youtube stream up if anyone wants to watch. I won't post the link, but you'll find it pretty clearly in this thread (no popups, just private Youtube)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

Like to see this but doesn't work. Has it been removed?

It would have been a live-stream only. Can't re-watch it unfortunately.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on April 28, 2016, 09:19:16 AM
Marner putting on a show again tonight with some pretty sick moves. There is an HD youtube stream up if anyone wants to watch. I won't post the link, but you'll find it pretty clearly in this thread (no popups, just private Youtube)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

Like to see this but doesn't work. Has it been removed?

The streams are usually live, rather than replays, so if you were looking for it this morning you'd be out of luck.

Highlights: http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/video-channels/playoffs/apr-2716-gm4-erie-1-london-5
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 28, 2016, 11:02:19 PM
Strome 0G 3A 3P

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 30, 2016, 01:28:38 AM
Marner putting on a show again tonight with some pretty sick moves. There is an HD youtube stream up if anyone wants to watch. I won't post the link, but you'll find it pretty clearly in this thread (no popups, just private Youtube)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

Like to see this but doesn't work. Has it been removed?

Check this thread for Marlies and Knights streams just before puck drop. Stick with the YouTube streams if you have the option. Look for Nic Cage.  🍸🍸
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 03, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
Marner has won the Red Tilson Trophy as the OHL's Most Outstanding Player.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 03, 2016, 11:44:31 AM
Marner has won the Red Tilson Trophy as the OHL's Most Outstanding Player.

Nice. I'd forgotten that Connor Brown had also won it in 2014.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 04, 2016, 09:28:57 AM
Marner has won the Red Tilson Trophy as the OHL's Most Outstanding Player.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/marner-on-being-named-ohl-s-most-outstanding-player~861739

We have two (active) MOPs!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 05, 2016, 08:27:07 AM
Kind of an interesting article on how OHL scoring projects into NHL equivalents. Marner doesn't do great by it but as the author states, that might just be because he's gettng used to trying stuff out that won't work in the pros.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/using-analytics-show-ohl-snipers-best-shot-becoming-nhl-goal-scorers/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/using-analytics-show-ohl-snipers-best-shot-becoming-nhl-goal-scorers/)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 05, 2016, 08:36:45 AM
Interesting article.

It sorta reinforces the developmental stagnation some of these kids go through. If you can score 100pts in a league at 18 years old and yet you still need to play there for 2 sometimes 3 more years must be a killer for player progression at times.

It's like playing video games on beginner difficulty for these top OHL kids, then they hop online aka the NHL and get a rude awakening when they can't punk guys so easily.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 05, 2016, 10:11:22 AM
Kind of an interesting article on how OHL scoring projects into NHL equivalents. Marner doesn't do great by it but as the author states, that might just be because he's gettng used to trying stuff out that won't work in the pros.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/using-analytics-show-ohl-snipers-best-shot-becoming-nhl-goal-scorers/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/using-analytics-show-ohl-snipers-best-shot-becoming-nhl-goal-scorers/)

This makes me want Matthews even more.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM
This seems to be an assessment that overvalues "grinder" goals. 

If you watch Marner's highlight reel, most of his goals are caused by
Quote
Throwing anything and everything on net in junior is a worthwhile exercise, and for some players this lends itself to being productive despite rarely shooting from higher traffic areas.

It's a bit of a misnomer to imply that all goals from a given area are created equal.  Besides, Marner isn't really a sniper/goal scorer, he's a playmaker.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 05, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
This seems to be an assessment that overvalues "grinder" goals. 

If you watch Marner's highlight reel, most of his goals are caused by
Quote
Throwing anything and everything on net in junior is a worthwhile exercise, and for some players this lends itself to being productive despite rarely shooting from higher traffic areas.

It's a bit of a misnomer to imply that all goals from a given area are created equal.  Besides, Marner isn't really a sniper/goal scorer, he's a playmaker.

Also, this year in particular, a lot of Dvorak and Tkachuk's points came from Marner making the bulk of the play and then dishing it off for open net tap-ins.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 05, 2016, 01:02:18 PM
This seems to be an assessment that overvalues "grinder" goals. 


>>>>>^

Dividing the ice into three zones and then figuring shot % from each is pretty simplistic.  In fairness, the article says more sophisticated metrics are needed.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 05, 2016, 08:54:20 PM
Marner with an assist on a goal in a 3-1 Knights lead over Niagara after 2 periods.

Edit: Add a goal to his totals
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 06, 2016, 09:30:15 AM
Marner with an assist on a goal in a 3-1 Knights lead over Niagara after 2 periods.

Edit: Add a goal to his totals

It's like he's not even trying.  ;D

Less cool: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-london-knights-star-mitch-marners-family-home-caught-fire-game-1-j-ross-robertson-cup/
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on May 07, 2016, 01:03:44 PM
My son told me that the Marner family home burnt to the ground. Luckily no  one was at home and a neighbour broke in and saved the pets.
As someone who has had the family house burn to the ground, my heart goes out to the Marner family
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 07, 2016, 09:38:56 PM
2 assists in a 6-1 rout of Niagara.

41 points in 16 games

Probably no shot at the OHL playoff scoring record at this point as I can't see this series going more than 5 games at this point.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 07, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
2.56 PPG in the Playoffs?

The idea of him playing in that league next year is preposterous.

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 08, 2016, 07:35:01 AM
Niagara really has become unhinged in this series.  Dunn acting like an idiot.  Mantha spitting in a hat after Tkachuk got a hattrick and then throwing the hat back into the crowd.  Three knee on knee hits in the game.  Haydon "stealing" the puck at the end of the game.

The Knights have outscored them 10-2 in the series so far.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 08, 2016, 03:50:24 PM
Niagara really has become unhinged in this series.  Dunn acting like an idiot.  Mantha spitting in a hat after Tkachuk got a hattrick and then throwing the hat back into the crowd.  Three knee on knee hits in the game.  Haydon "stealing" the puck at the end of the game.

The Knights have outscored them 10-2 in the series so far.

The Dunn incident:


I've never, never seen something like that before. Do you remember what he was even reacting to?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 09, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
Marner with 2 more assists in a 6-5 OT win over Niagara (and the refs)

43 points in 17 games
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 11, 2016, 07:45:31 PM
Oh my, Marner with a ridiculous feed to Dvorak to make it 1-0
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 11, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
Marner and Piccinich are going to the Memorial Cup after a 1-0 win.

Marner was awarded the Wayne Gretzky Award for Postseason MVP.

He finished with 44 points in 18 games.

The Knights set an OHL record by winning 13 games in a row.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 12, 2016, 12:17:10 AM

Snipes it right into my heart.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 12, 2016, 06:56:56 AM
On mobile... can't see :(
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 12, 2016, 08:58:41 AM
On mobile... can't see :(

Maybe this?

Edit: so pasting the twitter url now auto embeds!
Add the https:// to see this: twitter.com/msconduct/status/730581860376514561
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 12, 2016, 09:00:16 AM

A dumb question I know, but has Marner been the captain there all year? If so it slipped my mind. That or I've really only ever seen the back of his jersey in highlight clips.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 12, 2016, 09:00:50 AM

A dumb question I know, but has Marner been the captain there all year? If so it slipped my mind. That or I've really only ever seen the back of his jersey in highlight clips.

He was named co-captain with Dvorak at the beginning of the year.
http://londonknights.com/article/marner-and-dvorak-named-co-captains
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 12, 2016, 09:09:51 AM

He was named co-captain with Dvorak at the beginning of the year.
http://londonknights.com/article/marner-and-dvorak-named-co-captains

Thanks. That rings more of a bell.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2016, 09:22:44 AM
On mobile... can't see :(

Maybe this?

Edit: so pasting the twitter url now auto embeds!
Add the https:// to see this: twitter.com/msconduct/status/730581860376514561

It's on Sportsnet now: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/marner-passes-off-ohl-championship-kid-battling-cancer/
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 12, 2016, 09:24:08 AM

He was named co-captain with Dvorak at the beginning of the year.
http://londonknights.com/article/marner-and-dvorak-named-co-captains

Thanks. That rings more of a bell.

No problem!

Has anyone else won the MOP, Playoff MVP, OHL Championship in one season before (or the CHL league equivalents)?
Has anyone ever won all the above + the Memorial Cup and the MC MVP in that one season?

Edit: To answer my own question, it appears Corey Perry did back in 2005 with the London Knights, where he was the recipient of:
200405 Memorial Cup Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
200405 Memorial Cup All-Star Team
200405 OHL Red Tilson Trophy (Most Outstanding Player)
200405 OHL Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (Leading Scorer)
200405 OHL Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (Playoff MVP)
200405 OHL First All-Star Team
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 12, 2016, 10:03:31 AM
Has anyone else won the MOP, Playoff MVP, OHL Championship in one season before (or the CHL league equivalents)?
Has anyone ever won all the above + the Memorial Cup and the MC MVP in that one season?

Edit: To answer my own question, it appears Corey Perry did back in 2005 with the London Knights, where he was the recipient of:
200405 Memorial Cup Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
200405 Memorial Cup All-Star Team
200405 OHL Red Tilson Trophy (Most Outstanding Player)
200405 OHL Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (Leading Scorer)
200405 OHL Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (Playoff MVP)
200405 OHL First All-Star Team

And Perry did that in his draft+2 season, because of the NHL lockout. Marner's of course just in his D+1 season.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 12, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
Has anyone else won the MOP, Playoff MVP, OHL Championship in one season before (or the CHL league equivalents)?
Has anyone ever won all the above + the Memorial Cup and the MC MVP in that one season?

Edit: To answer my own question, it appears Corey Perry did back in 2005 with the London Knights, where he was the recipient of:
200405 Memorial Cup Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
200405 Memorial Cup All-Star Team
200405 OHL Red Tilson Trophy (Most Outstanding Player)
200405 OHL Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (Leading Scorer)
200405 OHL Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (Playoff MVP)
200405 OHL First All-Star Team

And Perry did that in his draft+2 season, because of the NHL lockout. Marner's of course just in his D+1 season.

Perry also won the World Juniors that season thanks to that 2003 draft class (my year!) and lockout.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 12, 2016, 10:45:15 AM
Has anyone else won the MOP, Playoff MVP, OHL Championship in one season before (or the CHL league equivalents)?
Has anyone ever won all the above + the Memorial Cup and the MC MVP in that one season?

Edit: To answer my own question, it appears Corey Perry did back in 2005 with the London Knights, where he was the recipient of:
200405 Memorial Cup Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
200405 Memorial Cup All-Star Team
200405 OHL Red Tilson Trophy (Most Outstanding Player)
200405 OHL Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (Leading Scorer)
200405 OHL Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (Playoff MVP)
200405 OHL First All-Star Team

And Perry did that in his draft+2 season, because of the NHL lockout. Marner's of course just in his D+1 season.

So what you're saying is that Marner is guaranteed to be better than Corey Perry!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on May 12, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
Has anyone else won the MOP, Playoff MVP, OHL Championship in one season before (or the CHL league equivalents)?
Has anyone ever won all the above + the Memorial Cup and the MC MVP in that one season?

Edit: To answer my own question, it appears Corey Perry did back in 2005 with the London Knights, where he was the recipient of:
200405 Memorial Cup Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (MVP)
200405 Memorial Cup All-Star Team
200405 OHL Red Tilson Trophy (Most Outstanding Player)
200405 OHL Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (Leading Scorer)
200405 OHL Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (Playoff MVP)
200405 OHL First All-Star Team

And Perry did that in his draft+2 season, because of the NHL lockout. Marner's of course just in his D+1 season.

So what you're saying is that Marner is guaranteed to be better than Corey Perry!

But only if they win the Memorial Cup.

Otherwise, you remember a guy named Dan Fritsche?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 12, 2016, 05:10:07 PM

A dumb question I know, but has Marner been the captain there all year? If so it slipped my mind. That or I've really only ever seen the back of his jersey in highlight clips.

He is co-captain with Dvorak.  Marner wears the C on the road and Dvorak wears it at home.  When they don't wear the C they have the A on their chest.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 15, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
A pretty good article about Marner:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/marner-ready-help-turn-maple-leafs-around/

Excerpt from the intro:

Mitch Marner carried his bag toward the London Knights bus, convinced that his hockey career was over. It was the first year of his eligibility for the NHL draft, and somehow his talent had vanished when he needed it most. Hed only managed to score a single goal and four assists in the first 10 games of the season, and after losing that night in October 2014 to the Erie Otters, Marner was pointless in four straight games. Meanwhile, two players hed grown up being compared to had lit the Knights up in a 62 win for the Otters. Connor McDavidthe consensus No. 1 pick, and most touted prospect in a decadescored a goal and added two assists. Dylan Strome, McDavids linemate, had a goal and an assist, which gave him an astounding 30 points in the same amount of time it had taken Marner to score just five.

Marner met his father, Paul, before he reached the team bus for the four-and-a-half hour trip back to London, Ont.

Dad, I suck, he said. Im so embarrassed for you and Mom. Im no good.

The words nearly broke Paul Marner. He knew his son had misplaced the joy hed had every time he stepped on the ice since he was a toddler growing up just north of Toronto. And he knew there was only one place where Mitch Marner could rediscover what hed lost. Paul followed the Knights bus through the night and met the team back in London. When Mitch walked off the bus, Paul told his son that, together, they were heading home.

Doubt has chased Marner throughout his life in hockey. As he fast-tracked through every level in the game, he ran up against outside concerns that he was too small and too weak to make it. It was almost laughable for a kid with his natural scoring ability. Hed never let it bother him. But suddenly, in the most important year of his young life, the doubt had finally caught up. And while hindsight tells us that things worked out for Marnerhe was taken fourth overall by his hometown Toronto Maple Leafs in the 2015 NHL drafthe will soon face even more pressure, carrying a fair share of the franchises great expectations on his lean shoulders. Whether he arrives with the Leafs next season or is sent back to London for another year in junior, the question is starting to bubble among fans and critics alike: Is Marner ready? It was something, for a time, he wasnt sure of himself.

...
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 15, 2016, 09:13:57 PM
Very good article. Thanks for sharing, Heroic Shrimp.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 15, 2016, 09:38:37 PM

Yeah, it's a nice reminder of just how young these guys are and the pressure they're under.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 16, 2016, 11:28:57 AM
This was the part that stood out to me:

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But while there doesnt appear to be anything left for Marners development in junior hockey, there are concerns about whether he is physically ready to play in the NHL. Much has been said about Marners apparently slight frame, but strength is not really an issue. At about six feet tall and 165 lb., Marner back-squats multiple reps at 375 lb. Hes worked with the same performance coach, Dan Noble, since he was in the eighth grade at Vaughn Hill Academy. (Noble is similarly embedded in the familys close circleduring an exhibition game at the World Juniors when Marner wasnt dressed, he spotted Noble sitting alone in the stands and quickly texted his dad asking him to go and sit with him.) Noble likens Marners body type to that of a defensive back in footballtall, lean and fast. While Marner needs to put on muscle mass, Noble says, its needs to be done intelligently without loading up for the sake of appearances.

There's no need for Marner to jump up to 190 lbs or something like that. He can play at 170 lbs and as long as he's working on his strength he'll be fine. Martin St. Louis was generously listed at 5'8", 180 lbs but he was probably one of the strongest guys on the ice.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 16, 2016, 12:45:26 PM
This was the part that stood out to me:

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But while there doesnt appear to be anything left for Marners development in junior hockey, there are concerns about whether he is physically ready to play in the NHL. Much has been said about Marners apparently slight frame, but strength is not really an issue. At about six feet tall and 165 lb., Marner back-squats multiple reps at 375 lb. Hes worked with the same performance coach, Dan Noble, since he was in the eighth grade at Vaughn Hill Academy. (Noble is similarly embedded in the familys close circleduring an exhibition game at the World Juniors when Marner wasnt dressed, he spotted Noble sitting alone in the stands and quickly texted his dad asking him to go and sit with him.) Noble likens Marners body type to that of a defensive back in footballtall, lean and fast. While Marner needs to put on muscle mass, Noble says, its needs to be done intelligently without loading up for the sake of appearances.

There's no need for Marner to jump up to 190 lbs or something like that. He can play at 170 lbs and as long as he's working on his strength he'll be fine. Martin St. Louis was generously listed at 5'8", 180 lbs but he was probably one of the strongest guys on the ice.

I still think his size is not a fully resolved issue.  170 is pretty light no matter how you cut it IMO.  Sorry to be a cliche machine but the only way to know is when he plays against men.  He might even be strong on the puck at his current weight, and he might be really good at dodging checks, but no matter what he is going to get hammered more, and for longer, than he ever has before.  That concerns me.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 16, 2016, 01:11:11 PM
This was the part that stood out to me:

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But while there doesnt appear to be anything left for Marners development in junior hockey, there are concerns about whether he is physically ready to play in the NHL. Much has been said about Marners apparently slight frame, but strength is not really an issue. At about six feet tall and 165 lb., Marner back-squats multiple reps at 375 lb. Hes worked with the same performance coach, Dan Noble, since he was in the eighth grade at Vaughn Hill Academy. (Noble is similarly embedded in the familys close circleduring an exhibition game at the World Juniors when Marner wasnt dressed, he spotted Noble sitting alone in the stands and quickly texted his dad asking him to go and sit with him.) Noble likens Marners body type to that of a defensive back in footballtall, lean and fast. While Marner needs to put on muscle mass, Noble says, its needs to be done intelligently without loading up for the sake of appearances.

There's no need for Marner to jump up to 190 lbs or something like that. He can play at 170 lbs and as long as he's working on his strength he'll be fine. Martin St. Louis was generously listed at 5'8", 180 lbs but he was probably one of the strongest guys on the ice.

I still think his size is not a fully resolved issue.  170 is pretty light no matter how you cut it IMO.  Sorry to be a cliche machine but the only way to know is when he plays against men.  He might even be strong on the puck at his current weight, and he might be really good at dodging checks, but no matter what he is going to get hammered more, and for longer, than he ever has before.  That concerns me.
He's always been an exception though. Look at Johnny Gaudreau.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 16, 2016, 01:51:21 PM
This was the part that stood out to me:

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But while there doesnt appear to be anything left for Marners development in junior hockey, there are concerns about whether he is physically ready to play in the NHL. Much has been said about Marners apparently slight frame, but strength is not really an issue. At about six feet tall and 165 lb., Marner back-squats multiple reps at 375 lb. Hes worked with the same performance coach, Dan Noble, since he was in the eighth grade at Vaughn Hill Academy. (Noble is similarly embedded in the familys close circleduring an exhibition game at the World Juniors when Marner wasnt dressed, he spotted Noble sitting alone in the stands and quickly texted his dad asking him to go and sit with him.) Noble likens Marners body type to that of a defensive back in footballtall, lean and fast. While Marner needs to put on muscle mass, Noble says, its needs to be done intelligently without loading up for the sake of appearances.

There's no need for Marner to jump up to 190 lbs or something like that. He can play at 170 lbs and as long as he's working on his strength he'll be fine. Martin St. Louis was generously listed at 5'8", 180 lbs but he was probably one of the strongest guys on the ice.

I still think his size is not a fully resolved issue.  170 is pretty light no matter how you cut it IMO.  Sorry to be a cliche machine but the only way to know is when he plays against men.  He might even be strong on the puck at his current weight, and he might be really good at dodging checks, but no matter what he is going to get hammered more, and for longer, than he ever has before.  That concerns me.

I don't know why that would necessarily be the case, the OHL isn't really known as a light hitting league so chances are he's had guys hitting him and trying to hit him hard for years.  Maybe he will take more hits initially as he adjusts to a new league but he should really be no different than any number of highly skilled players in the league who aren't huge and don't seem to have an issue with body contact.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on May 16, 2016, 02:04:18 PM
Let's no kid ourselves, getting hit by NHL defenders is going to be quite a bit different than getting hit by an 18 year old.

I hope he's as elusive as he seems to be in the O.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 16, 2016, 02:18:49 PM
Let's no kid ourselves, getting hit by NHL defenders is going to be quite a bit different than getting hit by an 18 year old.

I hope he's as elusive as he seems to be in the O.

The NHL isn't the league it used to be though. Guys aren't taking huge hits every shift. How many times did a guy like Phil Kessel get smashed into?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 16, 2016, 02:37:46 PM
I never really looked at this before, but it's interesting to see the list of the forwards who received the most hits last season (via corsica.hockey). Unsurprisingly, it's largely forwards who engage in physical activity themselves.

Michael Raffl is listed 1st with 184 hits taken in 82 games (2.24 per game). Patric Hornqvist (169), Dustin Brown (160), Taylor Hall (156), and Nazem Kadri (156) round out the top-5. Hall's name sticks out there obviously, but he seems to be a clear outlier. Other names in the top-20 include other grind types like Antoine Roussel, Tom Wilson, Nino Niederreiter, and Alex Chiasson. It's not exactly a ton of undersized or highly talented players who shy away from the rough stuff.

Patrick Kane is listed as being on the receiving end of a hit 107 times this season. Johnny Gaudreau? 47 times. Phil Kessel? 40 times. Mats Zuccarello? 64 times.

So I mean a guy like Marner is probably going to be looking at getting hit once a game, maybe once every other game. I think he'll survive that.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on May 16, 2016, 02:55:57 PM
I hope you're all right...we shall see!

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on May 16, 2016, 04:50:49 PM
Let's no kid ourselves, getting hit by NHL defenders is going to be quite a bit different than getting hit by an 18 year old.

I hope he's as elusive as he seems to be in the O.

The NHL isn't the league it used to be though. Guys aren't taking huge hits every shift. How many times did a guy like Phil Kessel get smashed into?

I think about a guy like Kadri when he came into the league. He was pretty light, and got knocked around a lot, but he didn't get crushed every game. And I don't think he's particularly elusive, either.

And about Kessel, this is honestly the only hit that comes to mind, but it's a memorable one.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/jjnqmd.jpg[)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: louisstamos on May 16, 2016, 04:53:19 PM
Let's no kid ourselves, getting hit by NHL defenders is going to be quite a bit different than getting hit by an 18 year old.

I hope he's as elusive as he seems to be in the O.

The NHL isn't the league it used to be though. Guys aren't taking huge hits every shift. How many times did a guy like Phil Kessel get smashed into?

I think about a guy like Kadri when he came into the league. He was pretty light, and got knocked around a lot, but he didn't get crushed every game. And I don't think he's particularly elusive, either.

And about Kessel, this is honestly the only hit that comes to mind, but it's a memorable one.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/jjnqmd.jpg[)

That was from his first game as a Leaf, right?  I remember holding my breath for a while after that one...
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 16, 2016, 05:44:28 PM

And about Kessel, this is honestly the only hit that comes to mind, but it's a memorable one.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/jjnqmd.jpg[)

And even then the life lesson we should all learn from Eric Lindros is that it doesn't matter how big or tough you are, you still might get clobbered from time to time.

If Marner was a grind it out type then, yeah, you'd want him to be 200 lbs or so but there are enough guys in the league who are successful at 170-180 that his weight really shouldn't concern anyone too much.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on May 16, 2016, 06:32:30 PM

And about Kessel, this is honestly the only hit that comes to mind, but it's a memorable one.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/jjnqmd.jpg[)

And even then the life lesson we should all learn from Eric Lindros is that it doesn't matter how big or tough you are, you still might get clobbered from time to time.

If Marner was a grind it out type then, yeah, you'd want him to be 200 lbs or so but there are enough guys in the league who are successful at 170-180 that his weight really shouldn't concern anyone too much.

According to Wikipedia, Johnny Gaudreau is only 157lbs at 5'9 so I think if he can handle himself in the NHL so can others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gaudreau

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 20, 2016, 08:49:05 PM
Marner assist - Knights up 1-0 on Red Deer.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 20, 2016, 08:58:58 PM
Marner assist - Knights up 2-0
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 20, 2016, 09:01:57 PM
Marner assist - 3-0 Knights
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 20, 2016, 09:49:59 PM
Marner goal - 4-0 Knights
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 20, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
Marner goal - 6-0 Knights

(That's 2G 3A for those counting at home)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 20, 2016, 10:38:31 PM
Marner goal - 6-0 Knights

(That's 2G 3A for those counting at home)

Bust. Should've taken Hanifin since he's in the NHL  ::)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: mr grieves on May 20, 2016, 11:37:13 PM
Quote
Marner was named the OHL's regular season MVP after scoring 116 points in 57 games. People didn't think it would last, so he was named the OHL's playoff MVP after scoring 44 points in 18 games. If tonight is any indication, he's well on his way to grabbing a third MVP in the same season. The only two others to do that in the past twenty years? Brad Richards and Corey Perry, who were both on Draft+2 seasons and both became star players.

link: http://theleafsnation.com/2016/5/20/chl-fails-miserably-in-attempt-to-make-tournament-tough-enough-to-stop-mitch-marner
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 21, 2016, 08:49:31 AM
Sweet jesus!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: BrownRolo on May 21, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
Why can't Marner play in the AHL next season?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on May 21, 2016, 09:44:41 AM
His age doesnt allow it. He is to young so either he plays for OHL or Leafs
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on May 21, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
Why can't Marner play in the AHL next season?

Not good enough.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 21, 2016, 11:05:21 AM
Why can't Marner play in the AHL next season?

Not good enough.
Bust
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on May 21, 2016, 11:21:47 AM
Its a stupid rule and should allow each team one or two exemptions each year. It benefits Marner nothing to stay in the OHL and to join the Leafs right away doesnt necessarily help his development either.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 23, 2016, 08:22:33 PM
Marner assist - 1-0 Knights

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Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on May 23, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
Marner assist - 1-0 Knights

(This is a recording)

Any online streaming for this game?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 23, 2016, 09:40:50 PM
Yawn, 8 points for Marner in two games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 23, 2016, 10:20:40 PM
9 points in 2 games in a 9-1 drubbing.  About to win their 15th game in a row.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 23, 2016, 10:26:08 PM
9 points in 2 games in a 9-1 drubbing.  About to win their 15th game in a row.

Does Marner feel bad for shooting tonight?
A mere 4 assists on a night that every shot is going in...
Does he want the Memorial Cup points record broken in 2 games or not? Because it looks like he doesn't.



 ;D
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on May 23, 2016, 11:20:19 PM
9 points in 2 games in a 9-1 drubbing.  About to win their 15th game in a row.

Does Marner feel bad for shooting tonight?
A mere 4 assists on a night that every shot is going in...
Does he want the Memorial Cup points record broken in 2 games or not? Because it looks like he doesn't.



 ;D

Slacker. 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: mr grieves on May 23, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
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What is the Memorial Cup scoring record anyhow?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 24, 2016, 12:15:39 AM
16 points is the scoring record.   

Marner is up to 53 points in 20 post-season games.  He also has 169 points in 77 games on the season.  Plus his 6 points in 5 games at the World Juniors.

Marner is now the leading scorer in Knights history at the Memorial Cup with his 9 points.  The title was previously held by Max Domi with 8 points (in 12 games).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: mr grieves on May 24, 2016, 04:40:53 AM
16 points is the scoring record.   

Whatever happened to that guy?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 24, 2016, 06:16:08 AM
16 points is the scoring record.   

Whatever happened to that guy?

Jeff Larmer of the Kitchener Rangers in 1982
Guy Rouleau of the Olympiques in 1986

According to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Chynoweth_Trophy and http://mastercardmemorialcup.ca/history-records/#individual
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 24, 2016, 09:28:34 AM
Marner's only competition this year for the MC scoring title appears to be his centre, Christian Dvorak (Arizona, D+2), who currently sits 1 pt back at 8 pts in 2 games and is leading the tournament in goals scored (5). His hat trick against the Wheat Kings weren't just tap-ins off Marner feeds either.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on May 24, 2016, 12:07:20 PM
Marner assist - 1-0 Knights

(This is a recording)

Any online streaming for this game?

Just bookmark this link. Go here near game time and you'll almost always find a link.

reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

Edited, for poor spelling.  ::)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on May 24, 2016, 02:05:37 PM
Marner assist - 1-0 Knights

(This is a recording)

Any online streaming for this game?

Just bookmark this link. Go hear near game time and you'll almost always find a link.

reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

Thank you!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 24, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
So what's the over/under on Marner points tonight?  4.5?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Omallley on May 24, 2016, 10:58:35 PM
So what's the over/under on Marner points tonight?  4.5?

2 assists through 1 period. You might want to take the over.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 24, 2016, 11:44:05 PM
The length of shifts they take is just nuts.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 24, 2016, 11:48:49 PM
Marner! Oh man what a play.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 25, 2016, 12:20:44 AM
I can barely watch this, it's been nothing but penalty after penalty.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 25, 2016, 12:30:02 AM
What a weird possible goal
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on May 25, 2016, 01:28:01 AM
Marner with another 4 point night (4 assists) in a 5-2 Knights' win. They play in the final on Sunday. He now has 13 points in 3 games, a 4.33 ppg pace in the Memorial Cup tournament. Not a bad showing against the best players in the CHL.

One thing I'll say about his game, he's selfless almost to a fault. I hope Babcock gets him shooting the puck a little more, as he seems to be able to place it anywhere he wants.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 25, 2016, 06:42:35 AM
The length of shifts they take is just nuts.

Opposing coaches have said that they have to devote two lines to stopping Tkachuk/Dvorak/Marner because they routinely take 2-3 minute shifts.

Marner is clearly the straw that stirs the drink on that line, as he keeps track of where everyone is pretty much all the time and slings no-look passes at will to break out of zones, or to capitalize on a vulnerable defense. When he gets the puck crossing the red line, the Knights bench stands up to watch.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 25, 2016, 08:15:15 AM
Yeah its interesting about the 2nd assist stats... he definitely creates something and allows dvorak/tkachuk to finish.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 25, 2016, 08:23:11 AM
Marner with another 4 point night (4 assists) in a 5-2 Knights' win. They play in the final on Sunday. He now has 13 points in 3 games, a 4.33 ppg pace in the Memorial Cup tournament. Not a bad showing against the best players in the CHL.

This is what I can't get over. This isn't Laine or Matthews beating up Team France or whatever. Marner (and the Knights) are just streamrolling over the best teams in the CHL here.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 25, 2016, 11:16:42 AM
The length of shifts they take is just nuts.

Opposing coaches have said that they have to devote two lines to stopping Tkachuk/Dvorak/Marner because they routinely take 2-3 minute shifts.

Marner is clearly the straw that stirs the drink on that line, as he keeps track of where everyone is pretty much all the time and slings no-look passes at will to break out of zones, or to capitalize on a vulnerable defense. When he gets the puck crossing the red line, the Knights bench stands up to watch.

That's special.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on May 25, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
This is what I can't get over. This isn't Laine or Matthews beating up Team France or whatever. Marner (and the Knights) are just streamrolling over the best teams in the CHL here.

Yeah. He clearly has nothing left to prove at the junior level - except for maybe trying to break some scoring records. There's a good chance that he wouldn't even need any AHL time at this point (if that were an option, obviously).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 25, 2016, 11:31:47 AM
Marner with another 4 point night (4 assists) in a 5-2 Knights' win. They play in the final on Sunday. He now has 13 points in 3 games, a 4.33 ppg pace in the Memorial Cup tournament. Not a bad showing against the best players in the CHL.

This is what I can't get over. This isn't Laine or Matthews beating up Team France or whatever. Marner (and the Knights) are just streamrolling over the best teams in the CHL here.

Yeah it's, for lack of a better word, almost suspicious. I suppose there's something to be said for the fact that the Knights have at least 4 guys who are/will be high first round picks and a bunch of 2nds/3rds besides but at a very rudimentary glance that doesn't seem to be enough of an explanation.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 25, 2016, 12:00:32 PM
Like the Knights beat the Brandon Wheat Kings 9-1. At first I thought, are they just the hosting team and not that good? Negative on both parts.

The Wheat Kings are the WHL Champs. They went 16-5 through the playoffs, and won their last 3 rounds in just 5 games each. They finished 2nd in the league in the regular season and had the best goal differential. They ended the regular season on an 11-0-2 run. Some of the final scores in the last 2 months of the regular season were 11-1, 8-3, 12-2, 7-2, and 8-1 (x2).

They had 2 players in the top-5 in league scoring, with potential 2017 first overall pick Nolan Patrick being one of them. First rounders John Quenneville and Ivan Provorov (named the WHL's best defencemen) were 3-4 in team scoring. And they also have another potential first round pick this year in Kale Clague on their blue line. 4 of their top-6 scorers are now 20+ years old so it's a pretty veteran team. And they're coached by Kelly McCrimmon, the guy who was courted by the Leafs before he decided to stay in junior.

So this was a very, very good team. Should have definitely been on-par with the Knights on paper. And they just trounced them.

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on May 25, 2016, 12:32:23 PM
Like the Knights beat the Brandon Wheat Kings 9-1. At first I thought, are they just the hosting team and not that good? Negative on both parts.

The Wheat Kings are the WHL Champs. They went 16-5 through the playoffs, and won their last 3 rounds in just 5 games each. They finished 2nd in the league in the regular season and had the best goal differential. They ended the regular season on an 11-0-2 run. Some of the final scores in the last 2 months of the regular season were 11-1, 8-3, 12-2, 7-2, and 8-1 (x2).

They had 2 players in the top-5 in league scoring, with potential 2017 first overall pick Nolan Patrick being one of them. First rounders John Quenneville and Ivan Provorov (named the WHL's best defencemen) were 3-4 in team scoring. And they also have another potential first round pick this year in Kale Clague on their blue line. 4 of their top-6 scorers are now 20+ years old so it's a pretty veteran team. And they're coached by Kelly McCrimmon, the guy who was courted by the Leafs before he decided to stay in junior.

So this was a very, very good team. Should have definitely been on-par with the Knights on paper. And they just trounced them.

I just hope that means Marner is just THAT special that even the best of the competition doesn't even faze him and that he can do stuff at-will.  I can only hope he's the 2nd coming of Patrick Kane, minus all of the off ice crap.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on May 25, 2016, 01:09:05 PM
Like the Knights beat the Brandon Wheat Kings 9-1. At first I thought, are they just the hosting team and not that good? Negative on both parts.

The Wheat Kings are the WHL Champs. They went 16-5 through the playoffs, and won their last 3 rounds in just 5 games each. They finished 2nd in the league in the regular season and had the best goal differential. They ended the regular season on an 11-0-2 run. Some of the final scores in the last 2 months of the regular season were 11-1, 8-3, 12-2, 7-2, and 8-1 (x2).

They had 2 players in the top-5 in league scoring, with potential 2017 first overall pick Nolan Patrick being one of them. First rounders John Quenneville and Ivan Provorov (named the WHL's best defencemen) were 3-4 in team scoring. And they also have another potential first round pick this year in Kale Clague on their blue line. 4 of their top-6 scorers are now 20+ years old so it's a pretty veteran team. And they're coached by Kelly McCrimmon, the guy who was courted by the Leafs before he decided to stay in junior.

So this was a very, very good team. Should have definitely been on-par with the Knights on paper. And they just trounced them.

I just hope that means Marner is just THAT special that even the best of the competition doesn't even faze him and that he can do stuff at-will.  I can only hope he's the 2nd coming of Patrick Kane, minus all of the off ice crap.

The thing I've been most impressed with in the tournament is his defensive play. He's a small guy with a short stick, but he steals the puck so often and turns play the other way. And like Herman said, he just knows where his linemates are. In the defensive zone he also has a knack for getting his stick in the lane and deflecting pucks. On offense the guy can lift the puck a few inches over a stick on a very short pass and still have it drop on its face and settle down for the shooter.

At this point I believe the Knights have won 16 games in a row, and I can't see that changing before the end of the tournament.

Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zee on May 25, 2016, 01:32:36 PM
Like the Knights beat the Brandon Wheat Kings 9-1. At first I thought, are they just the hosting team and not that good? Negative on both parts.

The Wheat Kings are the WHL Champs. They went 16-5 through the playoffs, and won their last 3 rounds in just 5 games each. They finished 2nd in the league in the regular season and had the best goal differential. They ended the regular season on an 11-0-2 run. Some of the final scores in the last 2 months of the regular season were 11-1, 8-3, 12-2, 7-2, and 8-1 (x2).

They had 2 players in the top-5 in league scoring, with potential 2017 first overall pick Nolan Patrick being one of them. First rounders John Quenneville and Ivan Provorov (named the WHL's best defencemen) were 3-4 in team scoring. And they also have another potential first round pick this year in Kale Clague on their blue line. 4 of their top-6 scorers are now 20+ years old so it's a pretty veteran team. And they're coached by Kelly McCrimmon, the guy who was courted by the Leafs before he decided to stay in junior.

So this was a very, very good team. Should have definitely been on-par with the Knights on paper. And they just trounced them.

I just hope that means Marner is just THAT special that even the best of the competition doesn't even faze him and that he can do stuff at-will.  I can only hope he's the 2nd coming of Patrick Kane, minus all of the off ice crap.

Let's not get crazy here.  He's the 2nd coming of Dougie Gilmour.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Tigger on May 25, 2016, 01:45:26 PM
Like the Knights beat the Brandon Wheat Kings 9-1. At first I thought, are they just the hosting team and not that good? Negative on both parts.

The Wheat Kings are the WHL Champs. They went 16-5 through the playoffs, and won their last 3 rounds in just 5 games each. They finished 2nd in the league in the regular season and had the best goal differential. They ended the regular season on an 11-0-2 run. Some of the final scores in the last 2 months of the regular season were 11-1, 8-3, 12-2, 7-2, and 8-1 (x2).

They had 2 players in the top-5 in league scoring, with potential 2017 first overall pick Nolan Patrick being one of them. First rounders John Quenneville and Ivan Provorov (named the WHL's best defencemen) were 3-4 in team scoring. And they also have another potential first round pick this year in Kale Clague on their blue line. 4 of their top-6 scorers are now 20+ years old so it's a pretty veteran team. And they're coached by Kelly McCrimmon, the guy who was courted by the Leafs before he decided to stay in junior.

So this was a very, very good team. Should have definitely been on-par with the Knights on paper. And they just trounced them.

I just hope that means Marner is just THAT special that even the best of the competition doesn't even faze him and that he can do stuff at-will.  I can only hope he's the 2nd coming of Patrick Kane, minus all of the off ice crap.

Let's not get crazy here.  He's the 2nd coming of Dougie Gilmour.

Minus all of the off ice crap?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 25, 2016, 03:15:26 PM
173 points on the cumulative season for Marner now.  Patrick Kane had 176 points in his season with the Knights (in his draft year).

Marner's season is the best total offensive season (outside of Kane) since superstar Justin Azevedo.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 25, 2016, 03:18:44 PM
173 points on the cumulative season for Marner now.  Patrick Kane had 176 points in his season with the Knights (in his draft year).

Marner's season is the best total offensive season (outside of Kane) since superstar Justin Azevedo.

He's surpassed Azevedo, hasn't he?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 25, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
I was watching some Darryl Belfry (Skills and Development coach to the stars and Leafs) videos and he was saying how in the NHL, if you're reading and reacting to the play, you're already done. The best players dictate how their opponents have to play because they already have a plan and the skills to pull it off. Marner does that. Matthews does that.

Like the Knights beat the Brandon Wheat Kings 9-1. At first I thought, are they just the hosting team and not that good? Negative on both parts.

The Wheat Kings are the WHL Champs. They went 16-5 through the playoffs, and won their last 3 rounds in just 5 games each. They finished 2nd in the league in the regular season and had the best goal differential. They ended the regular season on an 11-0-2 run. Some of the final scores in the last 2 months of the regular season were 11-1, 8-3, 12-2, 7-2, and 8-1 (x2).

They had 2 players in the top-5 in league scoring, with potential 2017 first overall pick Nolan Patrick being one of them. First rounders John Quenneville and Ivan Provorov (named the WHL's best defencemen) were 3-4 in team scoring. And they also have another potential first round pick this year in Kale Clague on their blue line. 4 of their top-6 scorers are now 20+ years old so it's a pretty veteran team. And they're coached by Kelly McCrimmon, the guy who was courted by the Leafs before he decided to stay in junior.

So this was a very, very good team. Should have definitely been on-par with the Knights on paper. And they just trounced them.

The Knights struggled early this season, but they've settled into a really good groove on the strength of that top line, and also having legitimate secondary threats in Pu, Jones, Piccinich, Juolevi, etc. The top line basically tires out (and overmatches) the opposing top half of the roster. The second and third lines overmatch the remaining bottom half. The fourth line gets 3rd period PP time because the score is already out of hand and the opponents are just playing to get off the ice.

Icing Marner with larger finishers in Dvorak/Tkachuk really lets the Knights have their way with the other teams. There were only 3 games this season in which Marner did not produce a point. He's on a 19 game point streak, and had a 44-game one prior.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 25, 2016, 04:41:30 PM
173 points on the cumulative season for Marner now.  Patrick Kane had 176 points in his season with the Knights (in his draft year).

Marner's season is the best total offensive season (outside of Kane) since superstar Justin Azevedo.

He's surpassed Azevedo, hasn't he?

Barely.  171 points in 2007-2008.  124 regular season + 36 OHL playoffs + 11 Memorial Cup points.  Albeit in 92 games vs. 78 games.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 25, 2016, 04:47:07 PM

Barely.  171 points in 2007-2008.  124 regular season + 36 OHL playoffs + 11 Memorial Cup points.  Albeit in 92 games vs. 78 games.

Gotcha. I didn't realize Memorial Cup points weren't included in Playoff Points at HockeyDb.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 25, 2016, 05:56:43 PM
The thing about height/weight issues with Marner is he's faced those same concerns at every level and has performed as an elite offensive player at every level.  Sure the NHL is different from junior in that there are bigger age gaps, more mature players and it is pro hockey, but there's a reason elite talents continue to produce as they move up levels of hockey - they adjust.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 28, 2016, 04:01:24 PM
Mitch Marner wins CHL Player of the Year.

Just to recap, this season, Marner also won:
1. Red Tilson Trophy for OHL's Most Outstanding Player
2. Wayne Gretzky 99 Trophy for OHL Playoff MVP
3. J. Ross Robertson Cup as a member of the OHL Champion London Knights

The Knights are also in prime position to win the Memorial Cup, and Marner looks like he's on track to win the Stafford Smythe Trophy for the Memorial Cup MVP and the Ed Chenowyth Trophy for Memorial Cup leading scorer.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 28, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
Why aren't more people talking about Marner?

I mean he is having one of the two or three best junior seasons of any junior player ever and at most he seems like an afterthought when people talk about the Leafs recently.

I wonder how much of it is tied to his size.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: jdh1 on May 28, 2016, 06:23:41 PM
Why aren't more people talking about Marner?

I mean he is having one of the two or three best junior seasons of any junior player ever and at most he seems like an afterthought when people talk about the Leafs recently.

I wonder how much of it is tied to his size.
Good things come in small packages.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 28, 2016, 06:39:11 PM
Why aren't more people talking about Marner?

I mean he is having one of the two or three best junior seasons of any junior player ever and at most he seems like an afterthought when people talk about the Leafs recently.

I wonder how much of it is tied to his size.

Some, maybe, but also some of it is detaching his individual accomplishment from his team accomplishments. The Team accomplishments are great and everything but for the purposes of NHL fans there really isn't a huge difference between someone scoring at the clip Marner did in the regular season(which isn't that uncommon for a Draft+1 player) and then their team getting knocked out of the playoffs and what Marner's done.

Huberdeau, Drouin, Strome...all of those guys had pretty similar years post-draft.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 29, 2016, 09:59:44 AM
There will be a sit-down Jeff Marek interview with Marner, Dvorak and Tkachuk before today's Memorial Cup final.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 10:10:10 AM
There will be a sit-down Jeff Marek interview with Marner, Dvorak and Tkachuk before today's Memorial Cup final.

Think they'll talk about Mitch?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 29, 2016, 11:10:00 AM
There will be a sit-down Jeff Marek interview with Marner, Dvorak and Tkachuk before today's Memorial Cup final.

Think they'll talk about Mitch?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GZT_lZrXsYs/VVslLAl0aDI/AAAAAAAACBk/BDunO1jqE60/s1600/signs-point-to-yes.jpg)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 11:35:40 AM
Marner and the Knights are playing Dzierkals and the QMJHL Champs Rouyn-Noranda Huskies in the Final. London beat them 5-2 earlier in the tournament. Mitch had 4 assists in that game. He would need 3 points to tie the 30-year old Memorial Cup scoring record, and 4 of course to break it.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: LuncheonMeat on May 29, 2016, 05:00:32 PM
Incredible... I go the the Mastercard Memorial Cup website and click on the link to watch the final. I plug in my credit card and pay for the game, load it up, and I'm greeted by... a stream of the Blue Jay game. What an absolute f'in joke.

Edit: Crisis averted, they switched the stream... 12 minutes in.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 29, 2016, 05:09:20 PM
Incredible... I go the the Mastercard Memorial Cup website and click on the link to watch the final. I plug in my credit card and pay for the game, load it up, and I'm greeted by... a stream of the Blue Jay game. What an absolute f'in joke.

Edit: Crisis averted, they switched the stream... 12 minutes in.

Gavin Floyd has heard your plea and is doing his part to end the Jays game ASAP.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2016, 05:12:30 PM

London on the PP is reminiscent of Canada playing some B tier European Country.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 05:44:21 PM
0-0 in the 2nd. What the heck Marner?
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2016, 05:49:30 PM

Finally. I was just about to declare Marner a bust.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 05:49:59 PM
Marner: good at hockey.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 06:01:35 PM
Knights 0-3 on the powerplay, pretty sure that doesn't happen very often. Marner had a number of nice looks on the most recent one.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: azzurri63 on May 29, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
The top line has been pretty quiet today. Think one of their faults especially on the PP is they get too cute. Of the 3 round robin games I thought this Huskies team gave London the most trouble. Score was not indicative of the play and they took too many penalties. Knights are going to have to play better in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2016, 06:09:55 PM

That was a crazy sequence to end the 2nd.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: azzurri63 on May 29, 2016, 06:10:45 PM
Huskies have been the better team.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: azzurri63 on May 29, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
I was really hoping it would a higher scoring affair and Mitch having a chance to break the record. Albeit it is the final so doesn't surprise me it's a tighter game. Hopefully a big 3rd period for the Knights.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 29, 2016, 06:18:30 PM
Marner looking pretty good defensively imo.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2016, 06:18:46 PM
The top line has been pretty quiet today. Think one of their faults especially on the PP is they get too cute. Of the 3 round robin games I thought this Huskies team gave London the most trouble. Score was not indicative of the play and they took too many penalties. Knights are going to have to play better in the 3rd.

Considering their success in the regular season, playoffs and Memorial cup it seems unlikely that anything happening today is really indicative of any real faults as opposed to just the randomness that can happen in a one game final.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 29, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
Tied at 2.  Dvorak ties it up.  Marner wasn't on the ice.

Parsons draft stock rising.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Deebo on May 29, 2016, 07:10:35 PM
Marner is going to be our second best prospect.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: azzurri63 on May 29, 2016, 07:15:10 PM
Damn that would have been a fitting end to the season. Damn crossbar.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 29, 2016, 07:25:34 PM
Did Marner leave the ice in the 3rd...the correct answer is pretty much no.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: bustaheims on May 29, 2016, 07:27:55 PM
Marner is going to be our second best prospect.

Marner and Matthews together is going to fun to watch
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 29, 2016, 07:35:51 PM
Man I can't find score updates... dying to see how this ends
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 29, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
YESSSSSS!!!!!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 07:37:41 PM
KNIGHTS!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bender on May 29, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
Yess!! Too bad Marner wasn't in on the winner. But all good!! I think he takes home the MC mvp as well. Maybe Dvorak...
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 07:44:40 PM
Dvorak would tie the Memorial Cup goal scoring record if he did get a piece of the OT winner. 2 goals in this game would probably clinch him the MVP award.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2016, 07:46:28 PM
or not. Marner MVP!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 29, 2016, 07:49:27 PM
or not. Marner MVP!

Suck it, Dvorak!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 29, 2016, 07:57:10 PM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: L K on May 29, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
Marner is absolutely getting detained on the flight home for all that metal he will be coming back with.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 29, 2016, 08:43:19 PM
Marner is absolutely getting detained on the flight home for all that metal he will be coming back with.

Does he have a new home yet?
The trophy shelf is off to quite a start.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 29, 2016, 09:25:48 PM
He'll be in great shape for training camp if he spends his summer lifting all of his trophies.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zee on May 30, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP

The MVP of MVPs
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: RedLeaf on May 30, 2016, 09:11:57 AM
Mitch Marner appears to be a gem of a pick for the Leafs, but that top line for the Knights could likely be a top line on some NHL teams. And probably a damn good one. Thats how good they were.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zee on May 30, 2016, 11:56:22 AM
Mitch Marner appears to be a gem of a pick for the Leafs, but that top line for the Knights could likely be a top line on some NHL teams. And probably a damn good one. Thats how good they were.

I wonder if Arizona will have a shot at drafting Tkachuk, if so they'll have him and Dvorak.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: TBLeafer on May 30, 2016, 01:26:33 PM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP

The MVP of MVPs

The first player in OHL history to ever accomplish it.  8)

Now he and Brad Richards are the only 2 players in CHL history to completely run the MVP table.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 30, 2016, 01:55:37 PM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP

The MVP of MVPs

The first player in OHL history to ever accomplish it.  8)

Now he and Brad Richards are the only 2 players in CHL history to completely run the MVP table.

Dale Hawerchuk (1981) missed only the QMJHL Playoff MVP. He won it 1980 though.
QMJHL Championships (1981)
Memorial Cup championships (1981)
Jean Bliveau Trophy (QMJHL Scoring Champion) (1981)
Michel Brire Memorial Trophy (QMJHL Player of the Year) (1981)
Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (Memorial Cup MVP) (1981)
CHL Player of the Year (1981)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: TBLeafer on May 30, 2016, 02:35:58 PM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP

The MVP of MVPs

The first player in OHL history to ever accomplish it.  8)

Now he and Brad Richards are the only 2 players in CHL history to completely run the MVP table.

Dale Hawerchuk (1981) missed only the QMJHL Playoff MVP. He won it 1980 though.
QMJHL Championships (1981)
Memorial Cup championships (1981)
Jean Bliveau Trophy (QMJHL Scoring Champion) (1981)
Michel Brire Memorial Trophy (QMJHL Player of the Year) (1981)
Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (Memorial Cup MVP) (1981)
CHL Player of the Year (1981)

Correy Perry only missed out on one of them, too.

Marner got 'em all!
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on May 30, 2016, 03:00:02 PM
An enterprising fellow on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/4lpslc/marners_2016_mvp_trophy_count_vs_past_winners/) put a table together of the Junior award winners (MVPs)

(http://i.imgur.com/K009qd9.jpg)

As TBLeafer mentioned, Corey Perry missed out on the CHL PoY to Sidney Crosby, but Crosby lost the MC MVP to Perry. Perry was playing his D+2 year though (and he's got some goonery in his game).
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 30, 2016, 03:07:05 PM

In 07-08 Karl Alzner won the WHL MVP scoring 36 points in 60 games.

That must have been some defense he was playing.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on May 31, 2016, 01:37:56 PM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP

The MVP of MVPs

The first player in OHL history to ever accomplish it.  8)

Now he and Brad Richards are the only 2 players in CHL history to completely run the MVP table.

Dale Hawerchuk (1981) missed only the QMJHL Playoff MVP. He won it 1980 though.
QMJHL Championships (1981)
Memorial Cup championships (1981)
Jean Bliveau Trophy (QMJHL Scoring Champion) (1981)
Michel Brire Memorial Trophy (QMJHL Player of the Year) (1981)
Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (Memorial Cup MVP) (1981)
CHL Player of the Year (1981)

Correy Perry only missed out on one of them, too.

Marner got 'em all!

Soooooo what you're saying is Marner is BETTER than Corey Perry!?!? 
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 31, 2016, 01:45:42 PM
Marner won every MVP award possible in the CHL:

OHL MVP
OHL Playoff MVP
CHL MVP
Memorial Cup MVP

The MVP of MVPs

The first player in OHL history to ever accomplish it.  8)

Now he and Brad Richards are the only 2 players in CHL history to completely run the MVP table.

Dale Hawerchuk (1981) missed only the QMJHL Playoff MVP. He won it 1980 though.
QMJHL Championships (1981)
Memorial Cup championships (1981)
Jean Bliveau Trophy (QMJHL Scoring Champion) (1981)
Michel Brire Memorial Trophy (QMJHL Player of the Year) (1981)
Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (Memorial Cup MVP) (1981)
CHL Player of the Year (1981)

Correy Perry only missed out on one of them, too.

Marner got 'em all!

Soooooo what you're saying is Marner is BETTER than Corey Perry!?!?

Exactly 33.3% better.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2016, 01:54:47 PM
An enterprising fellow on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/4lpslc/marners_2016_mvp_trophy_count_vs_past_winners/) put a table together of the Junior award winners (MVPs)

(http://i.imgur.com/K009qd9.jpg)

As TBLeafer mentioned, Corey Perry missed out on the CHL PoY to Sidney Crosby, but Crosby lost the MC MVP to Perry. Perry was playing his D+2 year though (and he's got some goonery in his game).

That 2011-12 list is damned impressive.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Frank E on May 31, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
That 2011-12 list is damned impressive.

Good call, I can honestly say I've never heard of one of them.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: TBLeafer on May 31, 2016, 02:10:40 PM
That 2011-12 list is damned impressive.

Good call, I can honestly say I've never heard of one of them.

I heard of Shinnimin... that's about it.  Played a bit for the Yotes I think.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on May 31, 2016, 02:10:44 PM
The 2011-12 list is why you need to look at the age at which junior players put up big points.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Tigger on May 31, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
That 2011-12 list is damned impressive.

Good call, I can honestly say I've never heard of one of them.

Coyle may not be lighting up the universe but he's a decent player.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on June 02, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/marner-and-matthews-a-fantastic-fit~882879

I don't usually care for what Button has to say, but I did enjoy watching the video game highlight circles track Marner and Matthews around the ice.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: disco on June 02, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
Same here herman. Matthews and Marner. Marner and Matthews. M&M line... could be magic. And good god Button go easier on the melon grease.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on June 03, 2016, 09:30:18 AM
It was a very fitting graphics package, because those two really look like video game characters that you're using with cheat codes.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: TBLeafer on June 03, 2016, 10:21:46 AM
It was a very fitting graphics package, because those two really look like video game characters that you're using with cheat codes.

Unproven! :P
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on June 03, 2016, 01:42:40 PM
It was a very fitting graphics package, because those two really look like video game characters that you're using with cheat codes.

Unproven! :P

Yeah, still unproven at the NHL level. But boy, do I ever wish they hit video game cheater status with the Leafs. Marner was just dummying the OHL.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SEAGf5xDTg[/youtube]
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: No.92 on June 03, 2016, 02:00:48 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/marner-and-matthews-a-fantastic-fit~882879

I don't usually care for what Button has to say, but I did enjoy watching the video game highlight circles track Marner and Matthews around the ice.

Stupid TSN blocking all video traffic outside of Canada.  I can't watch it if I wanted to.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on June 03, 2016, 02:16:56 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/marner-and-matthews-a-fantastic-fit~882879

I don't usually care for what Button has to say, but I did enjoy watching the video game highlight circles track Marner and Matthews around the ice.

Stupid TSN blocking all video traffic outside of Canada.  I can't watch it if I wanted to.

He basically plays some video clips to highlight how Matthews plays similarly to Marner's center on the Knights (Christian Dvorak). Like when Marner threads a seam with a cross ice pass, Dvorak is there to receive and bury the puck bar down. Matthews did the same thing at the World Championships. He helpfully circles Marner and Matthews (and some times Dvorak) with glowing circles around their skates to remind you which players he's talking about in the clip. Marner is so fast that he has a glowing trail.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Potvin29 on June 03, 2016, 02:35:58 PM
I'm sure you could find two cherry picked similar plays for a lot of players though.  Either one would probably look great with many different players so I'm not sure Button's onto anything too revelatory there.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bullfrog on June 04, 2016, 12:31:31 PM
I'm sure you could find two cherry picked similar plays for a lot of players though.  Either one would probably look great with many different players so I'm not sure Button's onto anything too revelatory there.

Marner is good at threading passes.
Matthews is good at scoring on good passes.

They're both good at playing hockey.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: TBLeafer on June 09, 2016, 09:07:49 AM
Mitch Marner will adjust strategy for Maple Leafs training camp

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mitch-marner-toronto-maple-leafs-training-camp-approach-nerves-london-knights-junior-nhl/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mitch-marner-toronto-maple-leafs-training-camp-approach-nerves-london-knights-junior-nhl/)

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Like so many 18-year-old rookie hopefuls and first-round picks, Marner said he suffered from a case of the jitters in 2015. Afraid to make a mistake, he opted for the safe, simple play in camp instead of trying to create scoring opportunities the strength of a kid who models his game after Knights alum Patrick Kane.

Thats what was wrong with my game, he said. This year I have to play my game, play the game Im used to playing and not changing it up, instead of trying to make no mistakes at all because thats when bad things happen.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zee on June 09, 2016, 09:18:26 AM
Mitch Marner will adjust strategy for Maple Leafs training camp

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mitch-marner-toronto-maple-leafs-training-camp-approach-nerves-london-knights-junior-nhl/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mitch-marner-toronto-maple-leafs-training-camp-approach-nerves-london-knights-junior-nhl/)

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Like so many 18-year-old rookie hopefuls and first-round picks, Marner said he suffered from a case of the jitters in 2015. Afraid to make a mistake, he opted for the safe, simple play in camp instead of trying to create scoring opportunities the strength of a kid who models his game after Knights alum Patrick Kane.

Thats what was wrong with my game, he said. This year I have to play my game, play the game Im used to playing and not changing it up, instead of trying to make no mistakes at all because thats when bad things happen.

Sounds good to me.   When you play afraid of making mistakes that's usually when mistakes happen.  He's talking the talk let's see if he can walk the walk in camp.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 16, 2016, 08:38:59 AM

Not much in the way of real info here but apparently Marner's mom has retired and is in charge of bulking him up this summer:

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-trying-to-bulk-up-this-summer-in-bid-for-nhl-job (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-trying-to-bulk-up-this-summer-in-bid-for-nhl-job)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 16, 2016, 08:49:24 AM
Should be pretty beneficial for him that he lives so close to the Leafs practice facility.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zee on June 16, 2016, 08:50:38 AM
Should be pretty beneficial for him that he lives so close to the Leafs practice facility.

He wants to put on weight he should spend a week with me. I can eat.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: TBLeafer on June 16, 2016, 09:37:01 AM

Not much in the way of real info here but apparently Marner's mom has retired and is in charge of bulking him up this summer:

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-trying-to-bulk-up-this-summer-in-bid-for-nhl-job (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-trying-to-bulk-up-this-summer-in-bid-for-nhl-job)

Keep eating those potatoes, Mitch.  :)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Highlander on June 17, 2016, 09:05:29 AM
pasta, rice, potatoes, lots of bread and butter, three beers a day, repeat..works for me
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Bullfrog on June 17, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
Should be pretty beneficial for him that he lives so close to the Leafs practice facility.

He wants to put on weight he should spend a week with me. I can eat.

:)
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 17, 2016, 10:46:20 AM

Not much in the way of real info here but apparently Marner's mom has retired and is in charge of bulking him up this summer:

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-trying-to-bulk-up-this-summer-in-bid-for-nhl-job (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-trying-to-bulk-up-this-summer-in-bid-for-nhl-job)

Mangia, bambino, mangia!

By God if Grandma Mary from Sicily were still alive and on the case, Marner would show up in September rocking 225.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: herman on July 06, 2016, 01:30:16 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/video/will-adding-seven-pounds-help-mitch-marner-stick~905094

Craig Button sounds off on the body shamers that say Mitch needs more weight to survive the NHL.
Title: Re: Mitch Marner - 2015 4th overall
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 28, 2016, 07:21:56 PM
Marner does a good deed: thanks York region firefighters in person for fighting family home blaze and then some...

Vaughan Fire and Rescue Services scored a big thank you from Toronto Maple Leafs prospect Mitch Marner Thursday.

The talented 19-year-old forward met with and expressed his gratitude to the crew of firefighters from Fire Station 7-8 who extinguished a blaze at his family's Thornhill home in May and salvaged his hockey memorabilia.


http://www.yorkregion.com/sports-story/6787419-toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-mitch-marner-thanks-vaughan-firefighters-for-saving-hockey-memorabilia