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Title: Standings- position
Post by: 13th fan on March 02, 2013, 08:04:05 PM
If the playoffs were to start tomorrow , 6th spot would ideal place for the leafs to finish at , only because southern division most likely be weakest out of 3 but I'm not saying its a easy division, more like our equal. I'm not seeing us going any higher than 4th and that might be a stretch but who knows . 8th and 7th spot would be toughest to be in to get out of 1st round with a win .Sorry guys ,no leafs hockey on so I might as well speculate  :)
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: Kaberle15 on March 03, 2013, 07:13:16 PM
I think that the 4th-5th spot is possible.

I would like they to face Montreal or Ottawa in the opening round, so a win could bring some strong confidence in the playoffs.

Also it would avoid Boston, Carolina (we kind of suck against then) and Pittsburgh (Please no Crosby or Malkin in the 1st round).

They play the toughest division with:
Boston (30)
Montreal (30)
Ottawa (28)
Leafs (26)

and hopefully all 4 will be on the dance in late april/may.

But as the LA Kings did it, the important is to be in the late season dance!
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: Jalili on March 03, 2013, 07:37:02 PM
Any preference between Ottawa or Montreal?
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2013, 08:57:24 PM
Montreal would be nice , I think last they played against us was 1979
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on March 04, 2013, 10:46:08 AM
I would prefer if the 4 Canadian Teams made the playoffs, did not face each other in the first round, won each of their 1st round series, guaranteeing a Canadian team in the Stanley Cup finals.  It would be nice to see Bettman pull the rest of his hair off his head.

What would be a close second is if the Leafs could scratch their way into the top 4, guaranteeing the first round starts in Toronto.
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on March 04, 2013, 03:44:22 PM
I'm not really a fan of the standing position.  It was fine when I was younger, but now my knees are starting to get bad and....Oh!  Um, yes, well - ahem - yes, I think it would be best if the Leafs finished 6'th.

Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on March 05, 2013, 02:25:41 PM
My wife prefers the missionary position.
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: Frank E on March 05, 2013, 03:09:02 PM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

I thought the thread was about peeing positions.
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on March 05, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

she's lazy
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2013, 03:27:21 PM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

No she doesn't.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on March 05, 2013, 03:44:00 PM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

No she doesn't.

I agree no she doesn't. 
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 05, 2013, 08:52:48 PM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

No she doesn't.

I agree no she doesn't.

Wow, you're optimistic about everything....
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on March 06, 2013, 11:37:08 AM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

No she doesn't.

I agree no she doesn't.

Wow, you're optimistic about everything....

Personally I prefer doggy style position so we can both watch the game.
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: Corn Flake on March 06, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

Same here. It's why I have the tight abs between the two of us.  8)
Title: Re: Standing position
Post by: RedLeaf on March 06, 2013, 11:43:32 AM
My wife prefers the missionary position.

she's lazy

Oh, no she isn't.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bender on March 06, 2013, 12:04:46 PM
This thread derailed rather quickly.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: mc on March 06, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
This thread derailed rather quickly.

When in missionary, it usually ends quickly.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 24, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
I would prefer if the 4 Canadian Teams made the playoffs, did not face each other in the first round, won each of their 1st round series, guaranteeing a Canadian team in the Stanley Cup finals.  It would be nice to see Bettman pull the rest of his hair off his head.

What would be a close second is if the Leafs could scratch their way into the top 4, guaranteeing the first round starts in Toronto.


I agree on all counts.

As for Bettman's, he'd need a hair transplant, but maybe he should get a brain one first!   8) ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on March 25, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
I would prefer if the 4 Canadian Teams made the playoffs, did not face each other in the first round, won each of their 1st round series, guaranteeing a Canadian team in the Stanley Cup finals.  It would be nice to see Bettman pull the rest of his hair off his head.

What would be a close second is if the Leafs could scratch their way into the top 4, guaranteeing the first round starts in Toronto.


I agree on all counts.

As for Bettman's, he'd need a hair transplant, but maybe he should get a brain one first!   8) ;D

Bettman would not qualify for a brain transplant.  Having a brain transplant would indicate he had a brain in his head in the first place, which we know is not true.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2013, 12:01:12 PM
New Jersey just lost Kovalchuk for a few weeks, so that's good news for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Sarge on March 25, 2013, 12:02:26 PM
Beauty!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on March 25, 2013, 12:05:46 PM
I hate being happy when someone gets hurt, but I want to see a playoff game damit.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 25, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
New Jersey just lost Kovalchuk for a few weeks, so that's good news for the Leafs.

But don't forget Brodeur is picking up the scoring slack.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 25, 2013, 03:00:49 PM
New Jersey just lost Kovalchuk for a few weeks, so that's good news for the Leafs.

But don't forget Brodeur is picking up the scoring slack.

You made me smile there, my friend.  ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on March 25, 2013, 05:58:48 PM
I hate being happy when someone gets hurt, but I want to see a playoff game damit.

I feel the same. I'm never glad that someone's inured, but I'm glad the Leafs nearest competitor has a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on March 25, 2013, 06:11:33 PM
I hate being happy when someone gets hurt, but I want to see a playoff game damit.

I feel the same. I'm never glad that someone's inured, but I'm glad the Leafs nearest competitor has a disadvantage.

If you told me I'd be 30 before I saw another playoff game after JR scored to eliminate the leafs back in 04, I'd have called you crazy.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on March 25, 2013, 07:36:40 PM
I hate being happy when someone gets hurt, but I want to see a playoff game damit.

I feel the same. I'm never glad that someone's inured, but I'm glad the Leafs nearest competitor has a disadvantage.

If you told me I'd be 30 before I saw another playoff game after JR scored to eliminate the leafs back in 04, I'd have called you crazy.

I have never seen a Leafs playoff game in HD.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on March 25, 2013, 10:29:43 PM
I really don't want the Leafs to face Winnipeg in the playoffs. Our group passed on getting Jets playoff tickets as it was $4000 for the four rounds... Way too much for a team I don't care too much for.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on March 26, 2013, 07:47:14 AM
I hate being happy when someone gets hurt, but I want to see a playoff game damit.

I feel the same. I'm never glad that someone's inured, but I'm glad the Leafs nearest competitor has a disadvantage.

If you told me I'd be 30 before I saw another playoff game after JR scored to eliminate the leafs back in 04, I'd have called you crazy.

I have never seen a Leafs playoff game in HD.

Lol. Yeah. That's about right.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on March 31, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
So, if the Leafs were in any other division, they'd be in 2nd or tied for 1st place in the division right now.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on March 31, 2013, 12:01:27 PM
The North-East has always been a tough division, maybe not the toughest every year, but seems 2-3 of the teams are always tops in the league every season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: freer on March 31, 2013, 01:54:31 PM
to be honest. I hope we finish in a 6th. A much easier first round opponent there.
4 and 5 would all most mean Boston. 
Title: Standings- position
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 31, 2013, 01:58:33 PM
I'd like to be 4th or one of the top three seeds, it would mean we go into the playoffs red hot which I think is usually a pretty good indicator of success.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: ensco on March 31, 2013, 05:54:38 PM
I don't get the preference for Winnipeg. I think, of all the potential road venues, the MTS is the one where I think the Leafs will have the least success.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on March 31, 2013, 05:57:29 PM
The Jets are a lighter version of the Bruins, the Leafs tend to have more difficulty against teams that play them physically, I'd prefer neither Jets/Bruins in round 1.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on March 31, 2013, 05:59:54 PM
I don't get the preference for Winnipeg. I think, of all the potential road venues, the MTS is the one where I think the Leafs will have the least success.

Wouldn't surprise me either if the Canes catch the Jets.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on March 31, 2013, 06:00:17 PM
I don't get the preference for Winnipeg. I think, of all the potential road venues, the MTS is the one where I think the Leafs will have the least success.

You mean, the same arena where the home team has lost more games than they've won this season? The Jets so-called home supremacy is non-existant. Of the potential match ups, the Jets are the weakest team.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on March 31, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
The Jets are the kind of team I'd want the Leafs to wet their feet against because I think they'd have a really good chance of beating them. Like someone else said, the fact they suck at home negates their home ice advantage.

But the absolute best case scenario would be for the Leafs/Sens to both overtake the Bruins, leading to what would likely be a Leaf/Sen 1st round and a Leaf/Hab 2nd round.

The Canes overtaking the Jets would throw a wrench in that plan, as they always seem to have the upper hand over the Leafs. Depends if Ward is healthy though.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 03, 2013, 06:33:29 AM
Ottawa's loss last night ties them with the Leafs in points, and actually puts the Leafs ahead of them (the Leafs have more regulation wins in the same number of games) and into 5th for now.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 07:38:49 AM
Ottawa's loss last night ties them with the Leafs in points, and actually puts the Leafs ahead of them (the Leafs have more regulation wins in the same number of games) and into 5th for now.

Looking at the standings this morning, and I see Boston and Toronto sitting 4th and 5th. Yikes. This is the worst possible first round match up for the Leafs. This needs to change! I'm now cheering for Ottawa to take us over or for Boston to overtake the Habs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 03, 2013, 08:52:45 AM
The Sens have a fairly comfortable set of games ahead of them, so who knows.  Boston is also just 1 point behind Montreal and even in games played, so the fourth spot could still go to either of them.  I'd rather play Montreal than Boston, though not by much.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: drummond on April 03, 2013, 09:12:02 AM
Jets have not won anything yet. The Southeast is wide open. Capitals trail 2pts. with 2 games in hand on Winnipeg and Carolina is trailing 4 points with 3 games in hand on Winnipeg.

Just a side note - would be fascinating to see what happens if for example Rangers finish out of the playoffs with more points than winner of the SouthEast Division of Crap, not to mention that it guarantees home ice etc.

Anyhow, all that said I tend to agree that whoever ends up winning the South East division seems to be fairly acceptable opponent. it would suggest that being 6th is the most desirable postion. But.

If Bruins can overpass Canadiens, which is quite likely, it opens a very intriguing scenario Canadiens (4th) vs. Leafs (5th). It would be just epic and I can not imagine better Leafs comeback into the Stanley Cup playoffs.

The Leafs play very well against the Habs and beating them in the first round is feasible.

So I say, go for it guys. Don´t speculate, get as many points as possible, build momentum and finish either 4th or - more likely - 5th and smoke that bloody Habs.

The only problem is, if the Bruins do not overtake Habs, we end up playing Bruins... kind of nightmarish scenario.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AtomicMapleLeaf on April 03, 2013, 09:38:57 PM
My preference is the Habs, Sens, or Jets in no particular order.  So in order for one of those matches to happen I'm hoping for Leafs, Sens, Habs to finish in the 4th, 5th, and 6th position.  Don't care how they are ordered.  I think our kid's first playoff experience should be a Canadian rival, it would be extra special to sweep the Sens!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 04, 2013, 09:42:00 AM
My preference is the Habs, Sens, or Jets in no particular order.  So in order for one of those matches to happen I'm hoping for Leafs, Sens, Habs to finish in the 4th, 5th, and 6th position.  Don't care how they are ordered.  I think our kid's first playoff experience should be a Canadian rival, it would be extra special to sweep the Sens!

Yes it is just a matter of time before Boston jumps up to 2nd and Habs fall to 4th.  So it will likely be the Habs or Caps we play.  Love to see the Leafs move into 4th overtaking the Habs and it can still happen as we play them twice but would be hard.  If we drop to 6th certainly looking like the Caps may  be the team we play now as they are just 2 pts back of the Jets with 2 games in hand.  Caps sched looks good for them too but Jets sched looks similar actually.  Jets and Caps play each other one more time.  The Canes have a tough sched as they play Pens and Bruins both twice so I think it is safe to say we wont be playing them now.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 04, 2013, 10:05:55 AM
I say Caps get in and take 3rd, Bruins take the NE division and finish 2nd, Habs fall to 4th and toss up between Leafs and Sens for 5th & 6th.  Rangers are in and likely stay there with a 3-way fight for 8th between NJ, NYI and Wpg. I think Carolina is toast.

So,

1. Pitts
2. Bos
3. Was
4. Mtl
5. Ott/Tor
6. Tor/Ott
7. NYR
8. NJ/NYI/Wpg <-- NJ likely wins out. They always find a way.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: sneakyray on April 04, 2013, 10:08:44 AM
the question is whether or not Boston and Pitts are good enough to overcome their injury issues.

Bergeron is pretty important to the B's.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 04, 2013, 12:41:22 PM
Totally agree CF. I just hope the Islanders bump out Jersey.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 06, 2013, 08:41:45 AM
Is it too much to ask for all our Eastern Canadian teams to make it in?

1. Pittsburgh
2. Montreal
3. Washington
4. Boston
5. Ottawa
6. Toronto
7. New York
8. Winnipeg

??

Ofcourse the 2nd round would be only Canadian teams left....   OK that is too much to ask.  ;)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 06, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
That would be nice, but i think Winnipeg is into a late season swoon that will keep them out.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 06, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
It seems that swoon is all but gone.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 06, 2013, 10:37:48 PM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kessel Run on April 06, 2013, 11:05:13 PM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

Its pretty likely, doesn't mean it is desirable. Boston is 13-2-2 at home...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Mostar on April 07, 2013, 03:37:03 AM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

It does. Having a healthy Lupul could make a big difference in that eventuality.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 07, 2013, 04:37:36 AM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

99.2% chance Leafs make the playoffs

Chances of first round opponent for Leafs:
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html
Boston 35.6%
Montreal 28.5%
Washington 16.8%
Winnipeg 7.2%
Pittsburgh 6.2%
Other than the above 5.7%
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: drummond on April 07, 2013, 06:53:46 AM
I really don´t want to face Boston.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Sarge on April 07, 2013, 07:43:02 AM
Sure, Boston would be the heavy favorite but imagine the feeling in taking them out? Indescribable, I'd imagine. All things being equal, a first round exit to the Boston Bruins is a heck of a lot further then I thought we'd be this year.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 07, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
Sure, Boston would be the heavy favorite but imagine the feeling in taking them out? Indescribable, I'd imagine. All things being equal, a first round exit to the Boston Bruins is a heck of a lot further then I thought we'd be this year.



It would put all that Kessel trade crap to rest, and that would be just nice. hey maybe if we play them, Colburne gets to play and just blows everyone away, and him and Kessel take Boston apart.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 07, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
We will play a huge part in whether we play Boston or not so essentially it may end up being up to us.  We play the Habs two more times and if we can take those games I would imagine it assures the Bruins pass the Habs in the standings.  We have some big games coming up even if we all but lock up a playoff spot fairly early.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 07, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
I really don´t want to face Boston.

Better that you face them than the Leafs...    :o
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 07, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
I really don´t want to face Boston.

I can assure you that no one does.

Maybe if Bergeron misses the series but otherwise, hell no!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: moon111 on April 07, 2013, 03:16:27 PM
Picturing Kessel lighting up the Bruins to sweep them four games straight.  Now back to dreaming about winning the 6/49.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 07, 2013, 03:20:42 PM
As much as Washington is a flawed team I really wouldn't want to face them with home-ice either though.  Winnipeg would be far more ideal but it looks like they don't want to make the playoffs.  Washington is dangerous with Ovechkin firing on all cylinders because he could single-handedly win games and we have seen him score goals in tight-checking games.  We really haven't seen Kessel show that ability yet.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 07, 2013, 03:39:30 PM
Washington lives and dies by it's power play so maybe the Leafs good PK matches up well. The Bruins seem to win more on 5 on 5 hockey.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 07, 2013, 03:46:47 PM
As much as Washington is a flawed team I really wouldn't want to face them with home-ice either though.  Winnipeg would be far more ideal but it looks like they don't want to make the playoffs.  Washington is dangerous with Ovechkin firing on all cylinders because he could single-handedly win games and we have seen him score goals in tight-checking games.  We really haven't seen Kessel show that ability yet.

That's right, and it's looking as if there won't be a single easy playoff matchup for the Leafs.

With that said, it's probably best to play the team with the most question marks, and by process of elimination that's the Caps.

They're only making the playoffs because the rest of their division is a joke, they've got the 29th ranked penalty kill, and have an offense that revolves exclusively around 3 players.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 07, 2013, 03:48:15 PM
As much as Washington is a flawed team I really wouldn't want to face them with home-ice either though.  Winnipeg would be far more ideal but it looks like they don't want to make the playoffs.  Washington is dangerous with Ovechkin firing on all cylinders because he could single-handedly win games and we have seen him score goals in tight-checking games.  We really haven't seen Kessel show that ability yet.

That's right, and it's looking as if there won't be a single easy playoff matchup for the Leafs.

With that said, it's probably best to play the team with the most question marks, and by process of elimination that's the Caps.

They're only making the playoffs because the rest of their division is a joke, they've got the 29th ranked penalty kill, and have an offense that revolves exclusively around 3 players.

Bad penalty kills mean less in the postseason though as far fewer penalties are called.  5 on 5 defense is far more paramount.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Boston Leaf on April 07, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
It may be pre-mature but does anyone know what the Leafs "magic number" is to make the playoffs?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TML fan on April 07, 2013, 05:29:58 PM
The Leafs don't match up well against anybody, really. I don't see how the Leafs are going to generate any offence when teams tighten up defensively and the amount of mistakes the Leafs can capitalize on are reduced.

Their best bet to win a playoff series would be against a southeast division opponent. If they play Boston they are probably swept aside in 4.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 07, 2013, 06:22:24 PM
The Leafs don't match up well against anybody, really. I don't see how the Leafs are going to generate any offence when teams tighten up defensively and the amount of mistakes the Leafs can capitalize on are reduced.

Their best bet to win a playoff series would be against a southeast division opponent. If they play Boston they are probably swept aside in 4.


Swept aside in four..lmfao you are the biggest downer I have ever met. there is no way in hell Boston beats Tor in four, if they play each other I'll say it will be long and hard, and the winner. who knows.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 07, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
It may be pre-mature but does anyone know what the Leafs "magic number" is to make the playoffs?

According to this, 14
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1391285
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 07, 2013, 06:27:12 PM
It may be pre-mature but does anyone know what the Leafs "magic number" is to make the playoffs?

Mirtle and Siegel are saying for sometime now that the magic number is 52.

That is a 3-8-0 finish, so is pretty duable.

Looking at the next 5 games: (NYR, @NYR, NYI, MTL, NJ)
If the Leafs manage to win against the NYR, NYI and NJ they should be in the playoffs. Bonus win vs Montreal so the Bruins can move to the #2 seed and Leaf Nation will sleep better...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 07, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Sens lost again tonight.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TML fan on April 07, 2013, 08:53:05 PM
The Leafs don't match up well against anybody, really. I don't see how the Leafs are going to generate any offence when teams tighten up defensively and the amount of mistakes the Leafs can capitalize on are reduced.

Their best bet to win a playoff series would be against a southeast division opponent. If they play Boston they are probably swept aside in 4.


Swept aside in four..lmfao you are the biggest downer I have ever met. there is no way in hell Boston beats Tor in four, if they play each other I'll say it will be long and hard, and the winner. who knows.

You know I love you nutman, but sometimes your positivity makes me want to throw up.

I'm honestly surprised the Leafs made it this far. I didn't think they'd make it this year but its starting to look good for them at this point. I highly doubt the Leafs strategy of playing 90% of the game under siege will hold up come playoffs, but they made it this far so who knows? Just speaking my mind
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: princedpw on April 07, 2013, 08:57:47 PM
Sens lost again tonight.

Are they getting spezza back soon?

I would feel bad for them if they slipped out of the race after hanging in for so long with so many injuries.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 07, 2013, 10:26:20 PM
Ottawa lost
Buffalo beat New Jersey in a shootout
3 - Washington   42   (9)
5 - Toronto         46   (10)
6 - Ottawa         44   (10)
7 - NYR              42   (10)
8 - NYI               42   (9)
9 - Winnipeg       40   (8.)
10 - NJ               40   (9)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 08, 2013, 08:05:28 AM
It may be pre-mature but does anyone know what the Leafs "magic number" is to make the playoffs?

According to this, 14
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1391285

After last night's play, it's down to 13.

99.2% chance of making the playoffs. They can raise that to 99.8% chance of making the playoffs if they can beat the Rangers tonight in regulation.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Boston Leaf on April 08, 2013, 08:28:06 AM
It may be pre-mature but does anyone know what the Leafs "magic number" is to make the playoffs?

According to this, 14
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1391285

After last night's play, it's down to 13.

99.2% chance of making the playoffs. They can raise that to 99.8% chance of making the playoffs if they can beat the Rangers tonight in regulation.

thanks for information...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 08, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
It's just such a shame that after waiting this long to make the playoffs, they'll most likely get Boston in the first round. While I don't think they'll be out in 4, I just can't see the Leafs beating them...

I'd be more confident against Pittsburgh than Boston even...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 08, 2013, 09:50:30 AM
It's just such a shame that after waiting this long to make the playoffs, they'll most likely get Boston in the first round. While I don't think they'll be out in 4, I just can't see the Leafs beating them...

I'd be more confident against Pittsburgh than Boston even...

I don't know, I kind of like the match-up. The odds may be long but I think they would be in just about any first round series and at some point they'll have to start looking at Boston as just another team they can beat. Why not start now?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: jdh1 on April 08, 2013, 09:57:35 AM
It's just such a shame that after waiting this long to make the playoffs, they'll most likely get Boston in the first round. While I don't think they'll be out in 4, I just can't see the Leafs beating them...

I'd be more confident against Pittsburgh than Boston even...

I don't know, I kind of like the match-up. The odds may be long but I think they would be in just about any first round series and at some point they'll have to start looking at Boston as just another team they can beat. Why not start now?
Agreed...besides the playoffs is like a new season ,anything can happen.the Leafs easily match up with them size wise as well.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Boston Leaf on April 08, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
If Bergeron would be still out that would be huge...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
I have to agree with the whole Boston thing.  At some point the Leafs have to be able to beat teams like that, why not challenge yourself right off the bat.  Individual stellar performances can make all the difference, just look at the Habs of a few seasons back knocking off Washington and Pittsburgh on the back of stifling defense and great goaltending from Halak, nobody thought they were capable of it.   I know that a first round playoff series win against Boston would mean a huge deal to the fans -- ok ANY first round series would mean alot, but it would be all the sweeter against a "nemesis" like Boston has been the last few seasons.  In any event, it's a measuring stick of how far they've come, and how far they have yet to go.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 08, 2013, 10:12:52 AM
It's just such a shame that after waiting this long to make the playoffs, they'll most likely get Boston in the first round. While I don't think they'll be out in 4, I just can't see the Leafs beating them...

I'd be more confident against Pittsburgh than Boston even...

I don't know, I kind of like the match-up. The odds may be long but I think they would be in just about any first round series and at some point they'll have to start looking at Boston as just another team they can beat. Why not start now?

Maybe this is the 93 series vs the wings...

I know nothing is a forgone conclusion, I just dislike watching games against Boston so much.

On another note, I remember listening to prime time sports before the season started, and they (McCown, Shannon and Cox) were talking about where the Habs and Leafs would finish, and all of them predicted a fight for last in the east.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
It's just such a shame that after waiting this long to make the playoffs, they'll most likely get Boston in the first round. While I don't think they'll be out in 4, I just can't see the Leafs beating them...

I'd be more confident against Pittsburgh than Boston even...

I don't know, I kind of like the match-up. The odds may be long but I think they would be in just about any first round series and at some point they'll have to start looking at Boston as just another team they can beat. Why not start now?

Maybe this is the 93 series vs the wings...

I know nothing is a forgone conclusion, I just dislike watching games against Boston so much.

On another note, I remember listening to prime time sports before the season started, and they (McCown, Shannon and Cox) were talking about where the Habs and Leafs would finish, and all of them predicted a fight for last in the east.

The 93 thing was different, I don't recall the Wings totally owning the Leafs prior to that series, there were always competitive games against them.  I actually took a road trip with the Leafs booster club at the time down to Detroit for a game, I remember winning it in OT with a Wendel Clark goal, and then the Detroit fans giving our bus the finger as we were waiting to drive back to Toronto.  Good times good times.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on April 08, 2013, 10:26:06 AM
still some hockey to be played..and these next two games against the rangers could have some significantly different outcomes in the standings..so let's not all panic about boston quite yet.  let's still make sure we make the damn playoffs
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2013, 10:36:29 AM
still some hockey to be played..and these next two games against the rangers could have some significantly different outcomes in the standings..so let's not all panic about boston quite yet.  let's still make sure we make the damn playoffs

I think it'll be either Bruins or Habs, I know there's a lot of hockey left but I think the Leafs can hold onto 5th, so that's one of those 2 teams.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 08, 2013, 10:38:07 AM

The 93 thing was different, I don't recall the Wings totally owning the Leafs prior to that series, there were always competitive games against them.  I actually took a road trip with the Leafs booster club at the time down to Detroit for a game, I remember winning it in OT with a Wendel Clark goal, and then the Detroit fans giving our bus the finger as we were waiting to drive back to Toronto.  Good times good times.

Here are the regular season games vs the Wings in 92:

L 7-1
W 3-1
W 5-3
T 4-4
L 5-1
W 4-2
L 5-1

Not that this proves anything really, I was just curious to look it up.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Peter D. on April 08, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
On another note, I remember listening to prime time sports before the season started, and they (McCown, Shannon and Cox) were talking about where the Habs and Leafs would finish, and all of them predicted a fight for last in the east.

I don't think they were alone in that thought, self included.  Although the Leafs finishing from 5th to 8th was a much more realistic proposition than the Canadiens possibly winning the division -- there was no way I would have ever predicted that one.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2013, 10:53:40 AM

The 93 thing was different, I don't recall the Wings totally owning the Leafs prior to that series, there were always competitive games against them.  I actually took a road trip with the Leafs booster club at the time down to Detroit for a game, I remember winning it in OT with a Wendel Clark goal, and then the Detroit fans giving our bus the finger as we were waiting to drive back to Toronto.  Good times good times.

Here are the regular season games vs the Wings in 92:

L 7-1
W 3-1
W 5-3
T 4-4
L 5-1
W 4-2
L 5-1

Not that this proves anything really, I was just curious to look it up.

None of those games were won in OT, must have been the 93-94 season that I went to a game..where did you look it up?

Found it.  March 4, 1994, Leafs @ Wings -- 6-5 in OT..Clark with a hattrick and the winner.  I was at that game. :)

http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=140304005
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2013, 11:08:32 AM
I put this in another thread, though, I suppose it really belongs here:


Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida - 4
Buffalo - 10 (assuming the Leafs keep the goal differential advantage)
Tampa - 9
Carolina - 11
Winnipeg - 11
Philly - 12
New Jersey - 13
Washington - 15
NYI - 15
NYR - 17
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 08, 2013, 11:14:56 AM
On another note, I remember listening to prime time sports before the season started, and they (McCown, Shannon and Cox) were talking about where the Habs and Leafs would finish, and all of them predicted a fight for last in the east.

I don't think they were alone in that thought, self included.  Although the Leafs finishing from 5th to 8th was a much more realistic proposition than the Canadiens possibly winning the division -- there was no way I would have ever predicted that one.

Come on neither of them were bad enough to be dead last in the conference - which is what they were predicting... out of the playoffs sure, but last?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Peter D. on April 08, 2013, 12:11:30 PM
Come on neither of them were bad enough to be dead last in the conference - which is what they were predicting... out of the playoffs sure, but last?

The Leafs, no.  Although 12th/13th like they finished last year wasn't that far-fetched. 

The Habs, yeah, prior to the season I could have seen them fighting for last.  I thought they stunk (even as someone who thinks Price is the best goalie in the league).  I, as many others I'm sure, have been proven completely wrong. 
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on April 08, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
Come on neither of them were bad enough to be dead last in the conference - which is what they were predicting... out of the playoffs sure, but last?

The Leafs, no.  Although 12th/13th like they finished last year wasn't that far-fetched. 

The Habs, yeah, prior to the season I could have seen them fighting for last.  I thought they stunk (even as someone who thinks Price is the best goalie in the league).  I, as many others I'm sure, have been proven completely wrong.

I thought for sure the Leafs would be racing for a top 5 pick again.  I was looking at their defensive lineup at the start of the season and thinking it would be a disaster.  It's amazing how the addition of a defensive system has improved the team in one season, compared to the past 10 seasons.  Carlyle definitely has to be considered for coach of the year if he can continue to guide the team into a solid playoff position.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
Come on neither of them were bad enough to be dead last in the conference - which is what they were predicting... out of the playoffs sure, but last?

I don't know. We're talking about the teams that finished 13th and 15th in the conference last season, and, really, the Habs basically made no significant roster moves while the Leafs really only made one.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 08, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
Come on neither of them were bad enough to be dead last in the conference - which is what they were predicting... out of the playoffs sure, but last?

I don't know. We're talking about the teams that finished 13th and 15th in the conference last season, and, really, the Habs basically made no significant roster moves while the Leafs really only made one.

Depending on how you view, adding Markov, Galchenyuk & Gallagher to the team has turned out to be significant I suppose.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2013, 01:37:16 PM
Depending on how you view, adding Markov, Galchenyuk & Gallagher to the team has turned out to be significant I suppose.

Sure, but coming out of the lockout, no one knew for sure if Galchenyuk or Gallagher would crack the roster or if/when Subban would be signed and no one is ever sure if Markov is going to stay healthy for more than a handful of games - and, really, it's a healthy Markov that has probably been the biggest difference for them.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 08, 2013, 01:40:58 PM
Depending on how you view, adding Markov, Galchenyuk & Gallagher to the team has turned out to be significant I suppose.

Sure, but coming out of the lockout, no one knew for sure if Galchenyuk or Gallagher would crack the roster or if/when Subban would be signed and no one is ever sure if Markov is going to stay healthy for more than a handful of games - and, really, it's a healthy Markov that has probably been the biggest difference for them.

I know, was just trying to look at it from a hindsight perspective now.

That's okay, you're on the ignore list.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2013, 01:42:38 PM
I know, was just trying to look at it from a hindsight perspective now.

That's okay, you're on the ignore list.

Fair enough. I probably deserve it.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Omallley on April 08, 2013, 01:48:22 PM
I know, was just trying to look at it from a hindsight perspective now.

That's okay, you're on the ignore list.

Fair enough. I probably deserve it.

Probably?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 08, 2013, 02:25:51 PM
Come on neither of them were bad enough to be dead last in the conference - which is what they were predicting... out of the playoffs sure, but last?

These days though last in the conference doesn't really mean that they're all that terrible. Right now, the last three teams in the conference are Florida, Tampa and Carolina. Florida was a playoff team last year, Tampa has a lot of good players and Carolina was a lot of people's pick to surprise after adding the second Staal and Semin.

Truth is that it's little breaks and bad luck with injuries that separate teams from the playoffs and a top 5 pick these days. If it were an 82 game schedule none of the teams in the East would be out of it.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: BC Buds Fan on April 08, 2013, 07:46:50 PM
still some hockey to be played..and these next two games against the rangers could have some significantly different outcomes in the standings..so let's not all panic about boston quite yet.  let's still make sure we make the damn playoffs

I think it'll be either Bruins or Habs, I know there's a lot of hockey left but I think the Leafs can hold onto 5th, so that's one of those 2 teams.

In my mind, this year the team has a free pass if they can make the playoffs.  Everyone will be (or should be) so excited to finally see some postseason games, who cares how they do?  Sure, they may get creamed by Boston first round, but it'll be experience.  If they can do some damage and win a game or two "Thank you Kessel", even better.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 08, 2013, 09:41:09 PM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida - 2
Tampa - 7
Carolina - 7
Buffalo - 8
Winnipeg - 9
Philly - 10
New Jersey - 11
Washington - 13
NYI - 13
NYR - 13
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 08, 2013, 09:55:07 PM
Combined the North-East division this year has 4 of 5 teams in the playoffs at this point. 

NorthEast   107-60-25 - 239 points   - 1.245 PPG
Atlantic       99-75-21  - 219 points   - 1.123 PPG
SouthEast   84-96-14  - 182 points   - 0.938 PPG
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Strangelove on April 08, 2013, 10:12:43 PM
So if I were a betting man I'd wager that we're going to play Montreal in the first round. Which is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 08, 2013, 10:15:31 PM
So if I were a betting man I'd wager that we're going to play Montreal in the first round. Which is pretty cool.


Bring em on. I would rather Boston though, we owe them some losses.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 08, 2013, 10:40:34 PM
I think we're perfectly positioned going in.  No pressure, no expectations.  We could upset anyone.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Sarge on April 08, 2013, 11:24:32 PM
I think we're perfectly positioned going in.  No pressure, no expectations.  We could upset anyone.

^ This ^
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 08, 2013, 11:56:38 PM
Only 5 teams in the entire NHL currently have more points than the Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 09, 2013, 07:28:55 AM
Leafs magic number by team currently not in the top 8 in the East (to eliminate that team from passing the Leafs in the standings): 
NEW JERSEY       11
PHILADELPHIA    10
WINNIPEG            9
CAROLINA            7
TAMPA BAY           7
BUFFALO              6
FLORIDA              2

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 09, 2013, 09:22:06 AM
Leafs magic number by team currently not in the top 8 in the East (to eliminate that team from passing the Leafs in the standings):
NEW JERSEY       11
PHILADELPHIA    10
WINNIPEG            9
CAROLINA            7
TAMPA BAY           7
BUFFALO              6
FLORIDA              2

Wouldn't the Jersey number be 10?  The most number of points they can finish with is 58 if they go 11-0.  If the Leafs win 5, giving them 58 as well, they have the tie-breaker based on ROW.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 09, 2013, 09:26:21 AM
Wouldn't the Jersey number be 10?  The most number of points they can finish with is 58 if they go 11-0.  If the Leafs win 5, giving them 58 as well, they have the tie-breaker based on ROW.

That would assume, though, that those 5 wins were ROW. It's unlikely but you have to factor in the possibility that the Leafs win a bunch of games in OT/SO.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 09, 2013, 09:28:29 AM
Wouldn't the Jersey number be 10?  The most number of points they can finish with is 58 if they go 11-0.  If the Leafs win 5, giving them 58 as well, they have the tie-breaker based on ROW.

That would assume, though, that those 5 wins were ROW. It's unlikely but you have to factor in the possibility that the Leafs win a bunch of games in OT/SO.

Highly unlikely because Jersey would have to win 10 out of the 11 in regulation, with the Leafs only winning 1 in regulation of the 5.  I guess mathematically you have to leave it at 11 then, however slim that possibility is.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: pmrules on April 09, 2013, 09:44:28 AM
Only 5 teams in the entire NHL currently have more points than the Leafs.


The thing that impresses me even more than that, is where this team stands in terms of ROW's - Only Pittsburgh and Chicago have more than us in the entire league.  ROW's is what matters in playoff games!

However, Montreal is tied with us (with a GOH) and Boston is right behind...and they are our most likely first round opponents. 

Nevertheless, I'm proud of this team. 
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 09, 2013, 09:56:41 AM
Leafs magic number by team currently not in the top 8 in the East (to eliminate that team from passing the Leafs in the standings):
NEW JERSEY       11
PHILADELPHIA    10
WINNIPEG            9
CAROLINA            7
TAMPA BAY           7
BUFFALO              6
FLORIDA              2

Wouldn't the Jersey number be 10?  The most number of points they can finish with is 58 if they go 11-0.  If the Leafs win 5, giving them 58 as well, they have the tie-breaker based on ROW.

If the Leafs went winless and the Devils won every game in regulation or OT, then they would tie on ROW. Head to head, the Leafs have won both but only one counts. On April 15th, the Devils would have to win that one against the Leafs in regulation. If that happened, the the goal differential kicks in. Right now, Leafs are +12 while the Devils are -14. So the chances of the Devils overcoming goal differential are very, very slim.

BUT mathematically, it's still barely possible. Therefore, the magic number remains at 11.

Now if the Leafs beat the Rangers and the Devils lose their next game in regulation, the Leafs could gobble up 5 of those 11 magic numbers - because the Leafs would seal the tiebreaker mathematically and that alone would lower the magic number by 1.

Realistically, the magic number is 10 but mathematically, it's still 11 due to an extremely slim possibility.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2013, 10:28:17 AM
Leafs magic number by team currently not in the top 8 in the East (to eliminate that team from passing the Leafs in the standings):
NEW JERSEY       11
PHILADELPHIA    10
WINNIPEG            9
CAROLINA            7
TAMPA BAY           7
BUFFALO              6
FLORIDA              2

Way to steal my thunder.

EDIT: Also, the magic number for Buffalo is 8 - Buffalo maxes out at 56 and the Leafs current have 48. 56 - 48 = 8.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 09, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
@DownGoesBrown
 If NHL playoffs started today, the original 6 would all play each other. Mtl - NYR, Bos - Tor, Chi - Det.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 09, 2013, 11:15:01 AM
@DownGoesBrown
 If NHL playoffs started today, the original 6 would all play each other. Mtl - NYR, Bos - Tor, Chi - Det.

Wow, that would be something.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AvroArrow on April 09, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
I want Boston in the first round.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Mostar on April 09, 2013, 11:58:13 AM
I am also in the camp that the Leafs aren't an automatic first round exit (presumably because they have been out of it for so long it's a given)

If they go in hot and healthy they could certainly do some damage.

My biggest concern going in is that they struggled to put 60 minutes in a night, even though they won many of those games. That stuff doesn't fly in the post season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2013, 11:13:38 PM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida - 2
Carolina - 5
Buffalo - 6
Tampa - 7
Philly - 8
Winnipeg - 9
New Jersey - 11
Washington - 13
NYI - 13
NYR - 13
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TML fan on April 09, 2013, 11:43:28 PM
I want Boston in the first round.

The Leafs have beaten them once in their last 8 meetings, and they barely hung onto that one. Do you really believe they are going to win 4 of their next 7?

I'm resigned to the fact that they will likely face Boston. I just don't want to see them get embarrassed.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: lamajama on April 10, 2013, 01:08:31 AM
I want Boston in the first round.

The Leafs have beaten them once in their last 8 meetings, and they barely hung onto that one. Do you really believe they are going to win 4 of their next 7?

I'm resigned to the fact that they will likely face Boston. I just don't want to see them get embarrassed.

Yeah I thought Avro was smelling too much of the av gas too.... ;)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on April 10, 2013, 01:23:45 AM
not saying i think the leafs have a hope in hell of beating boston in the playoffs..but ..i do remember another leaf team that had trouble with a certain opponent in the regular season..but then would always turn around and destroy in the playoffs....

but no..really..boston kind of plays playoff hockey all year long ..dump and chase..they'd probably just wear down our D since it would be game after game.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 10, 2013, 07:44:38 AM
NJ has only won like... 7 of their last 25 games in regulation.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AvroArrow on April 10, 2013, 08:08:09 AM
I want Boston in the first round.

The Leafs have beaten them once in their last 8 meetings, and they barely hung onto that one. Do you really believe they are going to win 4 of their next 7?

I'm resigned to the fact that they will likely face Boston. I just don't want to see them get embarrassed.

Yeah I thought Avro was smelling too much of the av gas too.... ;)

No, I just think that it would be the best learning experience for them - I don't expect this team to go deep.  We have a limited number of players on the team with NHL playoff experience, so for the rest, playing Boston for 4-7 games would show them exactly what it takes to be a playoff contender.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: iwas11in67 on April 10, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 10, 2013, 09:02:37 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

It may well come down to the two games the Leafs play the Habs in the last 9.  If the Leafs beat the Habs in both those games, it might be enough for Boston to pass them in the standings.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 10, 2013, 09:40:29 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

This can swing easily but here's the latest on the chances for the Leafs 1st round opponent
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html

Montreal 52.9%
Boston 31.9%
Washington 9.7%
Other 5.5%

I'd much rather they face the Habs. They have a better chance of playing more games and getting more playoff experience
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2013, 09:50:46 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

This can swing easily but here's the latest on the chances for the Leafs 1st round opponent
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html

Montreal 52.9%
Boston 31.9%
Washington 9.7%
Other 5.5%

I'd much rather they face the Habs. They have a better chance of playing more games and getting more playoff experience

A Montreal series would be electric.  It's a series the Leafs could win, though the odds would be against them.  But if they won that series this year, Leaf enthusiasm in Toronto would instantly hit 1993 levels.

But I'm also okay with a Boston series.  Don't get me wrong, it would almost certainly end in a quick exit.  But on the upside, it would be a quick learning experience for the team to see where they need to be.  And with Boston's dominance of Toronto, I could see Boston looking past the Leafs and taking them too lightly, offering up a stolen win or two.  I could see Toronto giving Boston more trouble than they'll expect and making for a decent series.  Even if the Leafs just wore down the Bruins, I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 10, 2013, 09:52:41 AM
I want Boston in the first round.

The Leafs have beaten them once in their last 8 meetings, and they barely hung onto that one. Do you really believe they are going to win 4 of their next 7?

I'm resigned to the fact that they will likely face Boston. I just don't want to see them get embarrassed.

Sens swept the Leafs during 2000-2001 regular season but were swept by the Leafs in the playoffs.

Just one example, but regular season records tend to get thrown out the window when the playoffs start, I think.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: mc on April 10, 2013, 10:04:30 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

This can swing easily but here's the latest on the chances for the Leafs 1st round opponent
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html

Montreal 52.9%
Boston 31.9%
Washington 9.7%
Other 5.5%

I'd much rather they face the Habs. They have a better chance of playing more games and getting more playoff experience

Montreal/Toronto in the first round would be out of this world. Rather face Montreal than Boston. Leafs play intimidated against Boston - or may be that is my perception because Boston does intimidate me lol...but if Seguin scores a few goals in that series, by God we will never hear the end of it. Of course Chara would rape Kessel on every shift too.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 10, 2013, 10:12:34 AM
I read someone post on twitter that the Leafs & Habs haven't faced one another in the playoffs since 1979.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 10, 2013, 10:13:41 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

This can swing easily but here's the latest on the chances for the Leafs 1st round opponent
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html

Montreal 52.9%
Boston 31.9%
Washington 9.7%
Other 5.5%

I'd much rather they face the Habs. They have a better chance of playing more games and getting more playoff experience

A Montreal series would be electric.  It's a series the Leafs could win, though the odds would be against them.  But if they won that series this year, Leaf enthusiasm in Toronto would instantly hit 1993 levels.

But I'm also okay with a Boston series.  Don't get me wrong, it would almost certainly end in a quick exit.  But on the upside, it would be a quick learning experience for the team to see where they need to be.  And with Boston's dominance of Toronto, I could see Boston looking past the Leafs and taking them too lightly, offering up a stolen win or two.  I could see Toronto giving Boston more trouble than they'll expect and making for a decent series.  Even if the Leafs just wore down the Bruins, I'd be happy with that.

If the Leafs were to get past the Habs, they're very likely to run into the Bruins or an opponent like them. So they're going to get that "quick learning experience for the team to see where they need to be" eventually.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 10, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
I read someone post on twitter that the Leafs & Habs haven't faced one another in the playoffs since 1979.

That's correct.  I remember watching that series, it wasn't pretty.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 10, 2013, 10:26:01 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

This can swing easily but here's the latest on the chances for the Leafs 1st round opponent
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html

Montreal 52.9%
Boston 31.9%
Washington 9.7%
Other 5.5%

I'd much rather they face the Habs. They have a better chance of playing more games and getting more playoff experience

A Montreal series would be electric.  It's a series the Leafs could win, though the odds would be against them.  But if they won that series this year, Leaf enthusiasm in Toronto would instantly hit 1993 levels.

But I'm also okay with a Boston series.  Don't get me wrong, it would almost certainly end in a quick exit.  But on the upside, it would be a quick learning experience for the team to see where they need to be.  And with Boston's dominance of Toronto, I could see Boston looking past the Leafs and taking them too lightly, offering up a stolen win or two.  I could see Toronto giving Boston more trouble than they'll expect and making for a decent series.  Even if the Leafs just wore down the Bruins, I'd be happy with that.

If the Leafs were to get past the Habs, they're very likely to run into the Bruins or an opponent like them. So they're going to get that "quick learning experience for the team to see where they need to be" eventually.

Oh, of course.  Better later than sooner, if possible.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 10, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
I read someone post on twitter that the Leafs & Habs haven't faced one another in the playoffs since 1979.

That's correct.  I remember watching that series, it wasn't pretty.

That Habs team in the 70s was one of the best ever - about half of their game day roster became Hall of Famers.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 10, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
Boston is only 1 point behind Montreal with a game in hand. We may still face the Habs in the first round.

I'd much, much rathaw play the Habs.

Don't fawget that Baston has Yawgaw. He's wicked good this ye-ah.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 10, 2013, 12:21:28 PM
Looked it up.  Either team we play it'll be a long time coming series. 

1979 last Habs / Leafs playoff
1974 last Bruins / Leafs playoff
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on April 10, 2013, 12:26:50 PM
Looked it up.  Either team we play it'll be a long time coming series. 

1979 last Habs / Leafs playoff
1974 last Bruins / Leafs playoff

2004 last Anyone / Leafs playoff

Long time coming indeed!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Green Leaf on April 10, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
Looked it up.  Either team we play it'll be a long time coming series. 

1979 last Habs / Leafs playoff
1974 last Bruins / Leafs playoff

2004 last Anyone / Leafs playoff
Long time coming indeed!

Jokes! 
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 10, 2013, 01:49:26 PM
How about Washington?  Anyone scared of Ovechkin and their hot streak?  I think it's still alot better than facing the B's.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: jdh1 on April 10, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kessel Run on April 10, 2013, 02:36:38 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.

Good thing us fans are stuck here in reality.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 10, 2013, 02:54:19 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.

Who do you think the Pens would prefer to play? Bruins or Leafs?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: sampson on April 10, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.

Who do you think the Pens would prefer to play? Bruins or Leafs?

Bruins.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 10, 2013, 03:06:54 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.

Who do you think the Pens would prefer to play? Bruins or Leafs?

Bruins.

Does that choice show a position of weakness and not a confidence to win on the part of the Pens?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Arn on April 10, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
I don't really care who we get, but as a fan I think I'd really enjoy a series v Montreal
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: freer on April 10, 2013, 04:05:49 PM
I want Boston in the first round.

The Leafs have beaten them once in their last 8 meetings, and they barely hung onto that one. Do you really believe they are going to win 4 of their next 7?

I'm resigned to the fact that they will likely face Boston. I just don't want to see them get embarrassed.

Why would it be embasrrassing for the leafs. All the game this year were close. they are not the same team to be feared this year. any thing is possible.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 10, 2013, 04:18:06 PM
It would be great to see a series against the Habs. For hype and excitement it would be fantastic, and the Leafs would have a shot based on the rivalry alone.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: jdh1 on April 10, 2013, 05:01:06 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.

Who do you think the Pens would prefer to play? Bruins or Leafs?
I don't think it should matter...If you want to win the cup,you have to meet your opposition.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TML fan on April 10, 2013, 05:22:15 PM
I think if the team prefers one team over another ,it shows a position of weakness and not a confidence to win.

Who do you think the Pens would prefer to play? Bruins or Leafs?
I don't think it should matter...If you want to win the cup,you have to meet your opposition.

I'd be happy with winning a playoff round, so weakest opponent possible please.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Highlander on April 10, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
Bring on anyone..lets just make it...Bruins, Canadians whatever
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: oakl0008 on April 10, 2013, 06:00:13 PM
Bring on anyone..lets just make it...Bruins, Canadians whatever

This.

I know it's a super short season. But to be this close to making the postseason only to drop out of it at the last second....well...there's only so much we fans can take. Seriously just to make it would be a breakthrough as this team can't look back on one playoff game in the last 9 years.

Damn it...I'm invested in this team again...lol.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 10, 2013, 10:13:55 PM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida - 1
Carolina - 4
Buffalo - 5
Tampa - 6
Philly - 7
New Jersey - 7
Winnipeg - 8
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 11, 2013, 07:29:31 AM
Well we got one point, it all adds up. Them games with the Habs could be very big in the hunt for home ice.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Highlander on April 11, 2013, 08:21:11 AM
Heres to Lupul and his point plus per game returning for the Habs on Saturday
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 11, 2013, 09:26:52 PM
Boston & Montreal are ruining it tonight.

Oh, and every time we come close to the playoffs the Islanders seemingly can't lose.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AtomicMapleLeaf on April 11, 2013, 09:35:52 PM
I so much want the Habs, for multiple reasons.  But methinks the Bruins want us after tonight's performance.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on April 11, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
Boston & Montreal are ruining it tonight.

Oh, and every time we come close to the playoffs the Islanders seemingly can't lose.

I'm still coming to grips with the fact that they're in the playoffs right now. I mean, they're the Islanders, aren't they supposed to be perpetually bad?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 11, 2013, 09:51:30 PM
I so much want the Habs, for multiple reasons.  But methinks the Bruins want us after tonight's performance.

Careful what you wish for. I think we'll get a pretty good read on how a Habs-Leafs series could shake down when they meet on Saturday night. The way the Bruins are playing this year, I'm starting to wonder if they would be the weaker playoff opponent.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on April 11, 2013, 09:52:42 PM
Tonight wasn't a good night to scoreboard watch.  Isles, Jets, Sens all win.  Big game Saturday (I suppose they all are until we're in).
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AtomicMapleLeaf on April 11, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
I so much want the Habs, for multiple reasons.  But methinks the Bruins want us after tonight's performance.

Careful what you wish for. I think we'll get a pretty good read on how a Habs-Leafs series could shake down when they meet on Saturday night. The way the Bruins are playing this year, I'm starting to wonder if they would be the weaker playoff opponent.

I'm very careful.  I want the Habs.  Regardless if it's a 4 or 7 game series our kids will learn what it's like to play for the cup.  Win or lose, I want the Habs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 11, 2013, 10:32:09 PM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 2
Buffalo - 3
Tampa - 4
Philly - 5
New Jersey - 7
Winnipeg - 8
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Ottawa - 14
Title: Standings- position
Post by: PG on April 11, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
I want no part of the Caps. I'm too lazy to look it up but they have to be one of the hottest teams in the NHL over the last month.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Gerald The Duck on April 11, 2013, 11:21:36 PM
I want no part of the Caps. I'm too lazy to look it up but they have to be one of the hottest teams in the NHL over the last month.

Yep, with a resurgent Ovie a huge part of it. 17 goals in his last 16 games going into tonight (24 points over that span)  :o.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 11, 2013, 11:24:32 PM
I want no part of the Caps. I'm too lazy to look it up but they have to be one of the hottest teams in the NHL over the last month.

They're on an 8-1-1 run, which is right up there with the best over the last few weeks. That being said, there's still a couple weeks until the playoffs. They could easily cool off. They could also lose steam once the playoffs start - they certainly wouldn't be the first team to come into the playoffs red hot and fall in the 1st round.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: princedpw on April 11, 2013, 11:29:59 PM
Boston & Montreal are ruining it tonight.

Oh, and every time we come close to the playoffs the Islanders seemingly can't lose.

I'm still coming to grips with the fact that they're in the playoffs right now. I mean, they're the Islanders, aren't they supposed to be perpetually bad?

Aren't we perpetually bad?  At least they did a "rebuild" and got a number 1 overall pick out of it ...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 11, 2013, 11:35:39 PM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 2
Buffalo - 3
Tampa - 4
Philly - 5
New Jersey - 7
Winnipeg - 8
=================
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Ottawa - 14

The line I inserted above separates those in playoff position from those who are not.

The bottom 5 teams have a 1% chance or less of making the playoffs = not a big threat to the Leafs chances.

New Jersey is in a free fall without Kovalchuk and now Volchenkov (4 game suspension) having only won 2 of their last 10 and they're down to a 6% chance of making it.

So the key threat left for the Leafs playoff chances from the bottom group is Winnipeg (38% chance of making the playoffs). Winnipeg has only two less ROWs than the Leafs and they won the head-to-head tie-breaker. So they're the key team from the bottom group to watch.

The Islanders are scheduled to play the Rangers and Winnipeg. Aside from the Islanders, the Rangers are scheduled to play the Devils twice. So some of these magic numbers will be consumed by the conflicting schedules.

The Leafs control their playoff destiny in part with upcoming games against the Devils and Islanders.

So the 99.7% chance of the Leafs making the playoffs calculated by sportsclubstats
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
probably isn't far off.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 12, 2013, 12:22:18 AM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 2
Buffalo - 3
Tampa - 4
Philly - 5
New Jersey - 7
Winnipeg - 8
=================
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Ottawa - 14

The line I inserted above separates those in playoff position from those who are not.

The bottom 5 teams have a 1% chance or less of making the playoffs = not a big threat to the Leafs chances.

New Jersey is in a free fall without Kovalchuk and now Volchenkov (4 game suspension) having only won 2 of their last 10 and they're down to a 6% chance of making it.

So the key threat left for the Leafs playoff chances from the bottom group is Winnipeg (38% chance of making the playoffs). Winnipeg has only two less ROWs than the Leafs and they won the head-to-head tie-breaker. So they're the key team from the bottom group to watch.

The Islanders are scheduled to play the Rangers and Winnipeg. Aside from the Islanders, the Rangers are scheduled to play the Devils twice. So some of these magic numbers will be consumed by the conflicting schedules.

The Leafs control their playoff destiny in part with upcoming games against the Devils and Islanders.

So the 99.7% chance of the Leafs making the playoffs calculated by sportsclubstats
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
probably isn't far off.

Good analysis re the Jets being the primary threat.  But 1 or 2 more wins really ought to assure a spot no matter what.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 12, 2013, 12:53:15 AM
Luckily we have 2 games in hand on the Jets.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Boston Leaf on April 12, 2013, 06:55:21 AM
I want no part of the Caps. I'm too lazy to look it up but they have to be one of the hottest teams in the NHL over the last month.

They have only beat one team (Montreal) that is in the top 8 in the east druing stretch. THey have done a great job beating up the bottom three (Carolina, TB and Florida) over and over. I would gladly play them.. It would be time for Leo K to drive Ovi insane. The only thing that scares me about them is Holtby is darn good
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 12, 2013, 06:55:53 AM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 2
Buffalo - 3
Tampa - 4
Philly - 5
New Jersey - 7
Winnipeg - 8
=================
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Ottawa - 14

The line I inserted above separates those in playoff position from those who are not.

The bottom 5 teams have a 1% chance or less of making the playoffs = not a big threat to the Leafs chances.

New Jersey is in a free fall without Kovalchuk and now Volchenkov (4 game suspension) having only won 2 of their last 10 and they're down to a 6% chance of making it.

So the key threat left for the Leafs playoff chances from the bottom group is Winnipeg (38% chance of making the playoffs). Winnipeg has only two less ROWs than the Leafs and they won the head-to-head tie-breaker. So they're the key team from the bottom group to watch.

The Islanders are scheduled to play the Rangers and Winnipeg. Aside from the Islanders, the Rangers are scheduled to play the Devils twice. So some of these magic numbers will be consumed by the conflicting schedules.

The Leafs control their playoff destiny in part with upcoming games against the Devils and Islanders.

So the 99.7% chance of the Leafs making the playoffs calculated by sportsclubstats
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
probably isn't far off.

Good analysis re the Jets being the primary threat.  But 1 or 2 more wins really ought to assure a spot no matter what.

If the Leafs win 6 points out of the 16 possible that remain (.375 hockey), the Jets would have to do better than winning 5 of their 6 remaining games to beat the Leafs for a playoff spot. So there's a reasonable chance a couple of wins by the Leafs would be enough. Only winning one game of their last 8  would be pretty dicey for the Leafs unless they had a string of OTL/SOL points to go with that win.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on April 12, 2013, 07:27:12 AM
Boston & Montreal are ruining it tonight.

Oh, and every time we come close to the playoffs the Islanders seemingly can't lose.

I'm still coming to grips with the fact that they're in the playoffs right now. I mean, they're the Islanders, aren't they supposed to be perpetually bad?

Aren't we perpetually bad?  At least they did a "rebuild" and got a number 1 overall pick out of it ...

I'm still coming to grips with the fact that we're in the playoffs right now. I mean, we're the Leafs, aren't we supposed to be perpetually bad?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 12, 2013, 08:02:35 AM
Updated.

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 2
Buffalo - 3
Tampa - 4
Philly - 5
New Jersey - 7
Winnipeg - 8
=================
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Ottawa - 14

The line I inserted above separates those in playoff position from those who are not.

The bottom 5 teams have a 1% chance or less of making the playoffs = not a big threat to the Leafs chances.

New Jersey is in a free fall without Kovalchuk and now Volchenkov (4 game suspension) having only won 2 of their last 10 and they're down to a 6% chance of making it.

So the key threat left for the Leafs playoff chances from the bottom group is Winnipeg (38% chance of making the playoffs). Winnipeg has only two less ROWs than the Leafs and they won the head-to-head tie-breaker. So they're the key team from the bottom group to watch.

The Islanders are scheduled to play the Rangers and Winnipeg. Aside from the Islanders, the Rangers are scheduled to play the Devils twice. So some of these magic numbers will be consumed by the conflicting schedules.

The Leafs control their playoff destiny in part with upcoming games against the Devils and Islanders.

So the 99.7% chance of the Leafs making the playoffs calculated by sportsclubstats
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
probably isn't far off.

Good analysis re the Jets being the primary threat.  But 1 or 2 more wins really ought to assure a spot no matter what.

If the Leafs win 6 points out of the 16 possible that remain (.375 hockey), the Jets would have to do better than winning 5 of their 6 remaining games to beat the Leafs for a playoff spot. So there's a reasonable chance a couple of wins by the Leafs would be enough. Only winning one game of their last 8  would be pretty dicey for the Leafs unless they had a string of OTL/SOL points to go with that win.

If the Leafs hobble into the playoffs with a 1-7 record for the remaining games, I'd hate to see their playoff performance anyways. Looking at their record so far, one has to believe they will do much better than that, and we won't have to hold our breath until the last game this year. I'm guessing .500 (at worst) the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 12, 2013, 09:37:52 AM
I actually was wanting to run upstairs and check this thread last night to see how much closer the Leafs were getting. I didn't realize how excited I was getting for the playoffs!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 12, 2013, 09:46:01 AM
Saturday's game against Montreal will be pretty interesting, standings-wise:  Not only are points on the line as usual, but if the Leafs win, it increases the chances of playing Montreal again in the first round; if they lose, well then maybe they don't want to play Montreal in the first round anyway. :P
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 12, 2013, 09:52:14 AM
Saturday's game against Montreal will be pretty interesting, standings-wise:  Not only are points on the line as usual, but if the Leafs win, it increases the chances of playing Montreal again in the first round; if they lose, well then maybe they don't want to play Montreal in the first round anyway. :P

Yes with two games left against the Habs and one of those being the final game of the season, the Leafs can pretty much play a huge part in who they want to play in the post season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 12, 2013, 09:56:55 AM
Saturday's game against Montreal will be pretty interesting, standings-wise:  Not only are points on the line as usual, but if the Leafs win, it increases the chances of playing Montreal again in the first round; if they lose, well then maybe they don't want to play Montreal in the first round anyway. :P

Yes with two games left against the Habs and one of those being the final game of the season, the Leafs can pretty much play a huge part in who they want to play in the post season.

How crazy would it be if that final game of the season leads into a series between Leafs/Habs.  Could be 8 straight games against the Habs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 12, 2013, 10:14:12 AM
Saturday's game against Montreal will be pretty interesting, standings-wise:  Not only are points on the line as usual, but if the Leafs win, it increases the chances of playing Montreal again in the first round; if they lose, well then maybe they don't want to play Montreal in the first round anyway. :P

Yes with two games left against the Habs and one of those being the final game of the season, the Leafs can pretty much play a huge part in who they want to play in the post season.

How crazy would it be if that final game of the season leads into a series between Leafs/Habs.  Could be 8 straight games against the Habs.

I still think that is how it is going to play out, should be a media frenzy for sure.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 12, 2013, 10:22:00 AM
And what if that last game is for home ice.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 12, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
A .500 record in their final 8 games would guarantee the Leafs a playoff spot, regardless of what the other teams do.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on April 12, 2013, 10:44:14 AM
That would be nice, nutman, but I think there's too much ground to make up against both Boston and Montreal to make it realistic. Possible yes, but likely no.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 12, 2013, 10:45:51 AM
That would be nice, nutman, but I think there's too much ground to make up against both Boston and Montreal to make it realistic. Possible yes, but likely no.

I agree with you, was just dreaming lol.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 12, 2013, 11:19:42 PM
Update of Busta's update with Devils loss to the Sens tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 2
Buffalo - 3
Tampa - 4
Philly - 5
New Jersey - 5
Winnipeg - 8
Washington - 12
NYI - 12
NYR - 12
Ottawa - 14

Devils fall to a 2% chance of making the playoffs and a much smaller chance of passing the Leafs
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 13, 2013, 01:30:04 AM
Devils are done. They have like 7 wins in their last 29 games.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 13, 2013, 08:11:18 AM
Devils are done. They have like 7 wins in their last 29 games.


Kind of reminds me of the dive we took last year.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 13, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
Devils are done. They have like 7 wins in their last 29 games.


Kind of reminds me of the dive we took last year.

Yep and it also points once more to the parody in the league.  One year you can be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals and the next year you can be on the outside of a playoff spot looking in or vice versa.  Anything can happen if you sneak in.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on April 13, 2013, 10:44:20 AM
Yep and it also points once more to the parody in the league.  One year you can be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals and the next year you can be on the outside of a playoff spot looking in or vice versa.  Anything can happen if you sneak in.

Probably the best typo I've ever read on this site.  :D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 13, 2013, 11:21:02 AM
Yep and it also points once more to the parody in the league.  One year you can be playing in the Stanley Cup Finals and the next year you can be on the outside of a playoff spot looking in or vice versa.  Anything can happen if you sneak in.

Probably the best typo I've ever read on this site.  :D

Haha, we will find out soon that the Leafs are simply a parody of a good hockey team.  Out in four and we are all left wondering what we had been wishing for the last nine years.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 13, 2013, 09:58:46 PM
So Leafs beat up the Habs and Carolina won against the Bruins, so no change in the standings...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 13, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
Update of Busta's update with games tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 0
Buffalo - 1
Tampa - 1
Philly - 1
New Jersey - 3
Winnipeg - 6
================= playoff team cut line
Washington - 10
NYI - 9
NYR - 10
Ottawa - 12

Due to goal differential tie breaker being so large in the Leafs favor, arguably, the Leafs have already clinched against Philly & maybe Tampa.

Leafs magic number is down to 6. Chances of the Leafs making the playoffs is up to 99.9%
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 13, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
Sorta sucks that Boston lost, too, but it's early yet.  No matter what, though, that last game of the season against the Habs will be one to watch.

Two more sets of back-to-back games coming up, too.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 13, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
Sorta sucks that Boston lost, too, but it's early yet.  No matter what, though, that last game of the season against the Habs will be one to watch.

Two more sets of back-to-back games coming up, too.

I'll probably curse them by saying it but the Leafs are only 5 pts behind Boston and have a one game advantage on the first tiebreaker: ROWs.

If they have to face the Bruins, giving Carlyle home ice for last change might help some.

If I cursed them by saying it, so be it. I felt I had to say something because the notion that the Leafs would be within some sort of striking distance of beating the Bruins in the standings this late in the season seemed rather incredible when I think of my mindset at the start of this season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 13, 2013, 11:58:53 PM
Leafs/Habs will be an epic series. It would be a hell of an opportunity for them too, facing a team they seem to love playing against.
Title: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 14, 2013, 12:03:08 AM
Sorta sucks that Boston lost, too, but it's early yet.  No matter what, though, that last game of the season against the Habs will be one to watch.

Two more sets of back-to-back games coming up, too.

I'll probably curse them by saying it but the Leafs are only 5 pts behind Boston and have a one game advantage on the first tiebreaker: ROWs.

If they have to face the Bruins, giving Carlyle home ice for last change might help some.

If I cursed them by saying it, so be it. I felt I had to say something because the notion that the Leafs would be within some sort of striking distance of beating the Bruins in the standings this late in the season seemed rather incredible when I think of my mindset at the start of this season.

There's no such thing as curses. Well at least not the spell-casting kind.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 14, 2013, 09:13:55 AM
Sorta sucks that Boston lost, too, but it's early yet.  No matter what, though, that last game of the season against the Habs will be one to watch.

Two more sets of back-to-back games coming up, too.

I'll probably curse them by saying it but the Leafs are only 5 pts behind Boston and have a one game advantage on the first tiebreaker: ROWs.

If they have to face the Bruins, giving Carlyle home ice for last change might help some.

If I cursed them by saying it, so be it. I felt I had to say something because the notion that the Leafs would be within some sort of striking distance of beating the Bruins in the standings this late in the season seemed rather incredible when I think of my mindset at the start of this season.

There's no such thing as curses. Well at least not the spell-casting kind.


You sound like your trying to convince yourself of that, lol.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Highlander on April 14, 2013, 09:19:46 AM
Maybee George Armstrong can bring an Indian Shaman into the rink and perform some Feng Shui on the place 8)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 14, 2013, 09:32:20 AM
So Leafs beat up the Habs and Carolina won against the Bruins, so no change in the standings...

Boston loses to Carolina? Damn. I'm starting to think the Bruins want to face us in the first round. >:(
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 14, 2013, 09:35:24 AM
So Leafs beat up the Habs and Carolina won against the Bruins, so no change in the standings...

Damn. I'm starting to think the Bruins want to face us in the first round. >:(


Bring em on, I for one want to play them. It would be nice to knock them off, and put all them bad Kessel deal comments to rest once and for all.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 14, 2013, 11:19:42 AM
Bruins are reeling a bit without Bergeron and Marchand.  They are 7-7-1 in there last 15 games so they were reeling even before that.  Marchand is out with a mild concussion so he should be back come playoffs and Bergeron is skating now so there is a good chance that he will be back come playoffs.  The Bruins are a team that is built for the playoffs, I don't want to face them at all if we can somehow avoid it.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 14, 2013, 12:49:38 PM
Update of Busta's update with games tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina - 0
Buffalo - 1
Tampa - 1
Philly - 1
New Jersey - 3
Winnipeg - 6
================= playoff team cut line
Washington - 10
NYI - 9
NYR - 10
Ottawa - 12

Due to goal differential tie breaker being so large in the Leafs favor, arguably, the Leafs have already clinched against Philly & maybe Tampa.

Leafs magic number is down to 6. Chances of the Leafs making the playoffs is up to 99.9%

Either Tampa or Buffalo will be crossed off the list this afternoon, as they're playing each other - both, if Tampa wins in a shootout.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bender on April 14, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
Sorta sucks that Boston lost, too, but it's early yet.  No matter what, though, that last game of the season against the Habs will be one to watch.

Two more sets of back-to-back games coming up, too.

I'll probably curse them by saying it but the Leafs are only 5 pts behind Boston and have a one game advantage on the first tiebreaker: ROWs.

If they have to face the Bruins, giving Carlyle home ice for last change might help some.

If I cursed them by saying it, so be it. I felt I had to say something because the notion that the Leafs would be within some sort of striking distance of beating the Bruins in the standings this late in the season seemed rather incredible when I think of my mindset at the start of this season.

Well, luckily belief in curses still does not make them true :)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 14, 2013, 07:49:36 PM

Update of Busta's/cw's update with games tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina
Tampa - 1
Buffalo - 1
Philly - 1
New Jersey - 3
Winnipeg - 6
================= playoff team cut line
Washington - 10
NYI - 9
NYR - 10
Ottawa - 12

Buffalo beat Tampa 3-1 to take the Leafs out of reach.

Important games tomorrow:

Ottawa @ Boston
New Jersey @ Toronto
Philadelphia @ Montreal

The Leafs could eliminate Philly, New Jersey and Buffalo with a win tomorrow night.
Title: Standings- position
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 14, 2013, 09:40:34 PM
Posted this on the general thread, might be better suited here. 

http://jeffler.com/post/47991767699/doomsday-scenario
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: freer on April 14, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
Posted this on the general thread, might be better suited here. 

http://jeffler.com/post/47991767699/doomsday-scenario

What a load of crap..
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 14, 2013, 10:55:57 PM

Update of Busta's/cw's update with games tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina
Tampa - 1
Buffalo - 1
Philly - 1
New Jersey - 3
Winnipeg - 6
================= playoff team cut line
Washington - 10
NYI - 9
NYR - 10
Ottawa - 12

Buffalo beat Tampa 3-1 to take the Leafs out of reach.

Important games tomorrow:

Ottawa @ Boston
New Jersey @ Toronto
Philadelphia @ Montreal

The Leafs could eliminate Philly, New Jersey and Buffalo with a win tomorrow night.

If the Leafs beat the Devils and then the Caps in their next game and the Jets lose in regulation to Tampa Bay, the Leafs would clinch a playoff berth Tuesday. That's how close they are to sealing it.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on April 15, 2013, 07:41:20 AM
If the Leafs beat the Devils and then the Caps in their next game and the Jets lose in regulation to Tampa Bay, the Leafs would clinch a playoff berth Tuesday. That's how close they are to sealing it.

Reading that just gave me a shiver.

*squeeeeee*
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 15, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina
Tampa
Buffalo
Philly
New Jersey
Winnipeg - 4
================= playoff team cut line
NYI - 7
NYR - 7
Washington - 8
Ottawa - 10

Leafs clinch the tie-breaker against the Rags with tonight's regulation win. A win of any kind over the Islanders on Thursday would give the Leafs the tie-break there as well.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 15, 2013, 09:37:39 PM
Update of Busta's/cw's/LK's update with game tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina
Tampa
Buffalo
Philly
New Jersey
Winnipeg - 4
================= playoff team cut line
Washington - 8
NYI - 7
NYR - 8
Ottawa - 10

The Leafs eliminate Philly, New Jersey and Buffalo from catching them.

That was fun to post.  :)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Sarge on April 15, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 15, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
So 4 points back of the div lead and if we beat the Caps tomorrow night and the Pens beat the Habs Wed night we close that to 2 points with 5 to play.  The Bruins also play the Sabres Wed night and if they win were 3 back of the div lead and or if they lose we are one back of the Bruins and 2 of the Habs.  Anything can happen right?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 15, 2013, 10:08:57 PM
So 4 points back of the div lead and if we beat the Caps tomorrow night and the Pens beat the Habs Wed night we close that to 2 points with 5 to play.  The Bruins also play the Sabres Wed night and if they win were 3 back of the div lead and or if they lose we are one back of the Bruins and 2 of the Habs.  Anything can happen right?

Even if we don't win the division, if the Habs continue to struggle it'll mean Boston will eventually pass them and set up a Leafs-Montreal first round. I think I'd actually prefer that to winning the Northeast.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on April 15, 2013, 10:21:46 PM
So 4 points back of the div lead and if we beat the Caps tomorrow night and the Pens beat the Habs Wed night we close that to 2 points with 5 to play.  The Bruins also play the Sabres Wed night and if they win were 3 back of the div lead and or if they lose we are one back of the Bruins and 2 of the Habs.  Anything can happen right?

Even if we don't win the division, if the Habs continue to struggle it'll mean Boston will eventually pass them and set up a Leafs-Montreal first round. I think I'd actually prefer that to winning the Northeast.

Maybe its just because I was at that 7-4 travesty early in the year, but does anyone else get the heebie-jeebies about the idea of winning the division and playing the Islanders in the first round?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 15, 2013, 10:29:31 PM
So 4 points back of the div lead and if we beat the Caps tomorrow night and the Pens beat the Habs Wed night we close that to 2 points with 5 to play.  The Bruins also play the Sabres Wed night and if they win were 3 back of the div lead and or if they lose we are one back of the Bruins and 2 of the Habs.  Anything can happen right?

Even if we don't win the division, if the Habs continue to struggle it'll mean Boston will eventually pass them and set up a Leafs-Montreal first round. I think I'd actually prefer that to winning the Northeast.

Maybe its just because I was at that 7-4 travesty early in the year, but does anyone else get the heebie-jeebies about the idea of winning the division and playing the Islanders in the first round?

The Bruins are the only team that gives me the heebie-jeebies. Please....not the Bruins.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 15, 2013, 10:30:45 PM
So 4 points back of the div lead and if we beat the Caps tomorrow night and the Pens beat the Habs Wed night we close that to 2 points with 5 to play.  The Bruins also play the Sabres Wed night and if they win were 3 back of the div lead and or if they lose we are one back of the Bruins and 2 of the Habs.  Anything can happen right?

Even if we don't win the division, if the Habs continue to struggle it'll mean Boston will eventually pass them and set up a Leafs-Montreal first round. I think I'd actually prefer that to winning the Northeast.

Maybe its just because I was at that 7-4 travesty early in the year, but does anyone else get the heebie-jeebies about the idea of winning the division and playing the Islanders in the first round?

If we get 3rd I'd be a little more worried about the Rangers and Lundqvist. Tavares would scare me a little bit but with home-ice advantage Phaneuf would be out there every time he's on the ice.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 15, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
So 4 points back of the div lead and if we beat the Caps tomorrow night and the Pens beat the Habs Wed night we close that to 2 points with 5 to play.  The Bruins also play the Sabres Wed night and if they win were 3 back of the div lead and or if they lose we are one back of the Bruins and 2 of the Habs.  Anything can happen right?

Even if we don't win the division, if the Habs continue to struggle it'll mean Boston will eventually pass them and set up a Leafs-Montreal first round. I think I'd actually prefer that to winning the Northeast.

Point well taken but I think I am in the camp of finishing as high as possible.  Second spot in the conference guarantees us home ice advantage ahead of all but one team right straight through 3 rounds.  Then there is the huge confidence boost that something like accomplishing that would entail.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 16, 2013, 07:06:20 AM
Update of Busta's/cw's/LK's update with game tonight:

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina
Tampa
Buffalo
Philly
New Jersey
Winnipeg - 4
================= playoff team cut line
Washington - 8
NYI - 7
NYR - 8
Ottawa - 10

The Leafs eliminate Philly, New Jersey and Buffalo from catching them.

That was fun to post.  :)

An amendment to this:

Toronto clinched the tiebreaker with the Rangers last night because the best the Rangers can now do is match Toronto's 24 ROWs (regulation or overtime wins) and the Leafs won the series between the two teams 3-2 in points (the 2nd tiebreaker), so that magic number for the Rangers falls to 7.

Although not easy to expect against a hot Washington team, if the Leafs win and the Jets lose to Tampa in regulation, the Leafs will clinch a playoff berth tonight because that would gobble up the four magic numbers keeping any Jets hopes against the Leafs alive. Getting a point from the Caps tonight would clinch the head to head tiebreaker if they tie in ROWs and Winnipeg passes the Caps - so they have a little something extra to play for.

The Leafs did hit 100.0% probability of making the playoffs with their win last night on both these sites:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
But because the Leafs haven't mathematically clinched, another way to express it is: the chance the Leafs don't make the playoffs has fallen to less than 0.05% = extremely remote.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 16, 2013, 09:22:18 AM
Happiness. :)

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 16, 2013, 11:18:10 AM


The Leafs did hit 100.0% probability of making the playoffs with their win last night on both these sites:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
But because the Leafs haven't mathematically clinched, another way to express it is: the chance the Leafs don't make the playoffs has fallen to less than 0.05% = extremely remote.

Call me pedantic, but really the sites should say >99.95% not 100%.  100% is 100%.  Accuracy doesn't cost anymore than an approximation, however close.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 16, 2013, 11:25:11 AM


The Leafs did hit 100.0% probability of making the playoffs with their win last night on both these sites:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
But because the Leafs haven't mathematically clinched, another way to express it is: the chance the Leafs don't make the playoffs has fallen to less than 0.05% = extremely remote.

Call me pedantic, but really the sites should say >99.95% not 100%.  100% is 100%.  Accuracy doesn't cost anymore than an approximation, however close.

Agreed. It's misleading when they say 100.0%.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 16, 2013, 11:48:33 AM


The Leafs did hit 100.0% probability of making the playoffs with their win last night on both these sites:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
But because the Leafs haven't mathematically clinched, another way to express it is: the chance the Leafs don't make the playoffs has fallen to less than 0.05% = extremely remote.

Call me pedantic, but really the sites should say >99.95% not 100%.  100% is 100%.  Accuracy doesn't cost anymore than an approximation, however close.

Agreed. It's misleading when they say 100.0%.

They have another status of "in" which really means 100%
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 16, 2013, 11:13:54 PM
Update of the various contributors . . .

Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs:

Florida
Carolina
Tampa
Buffalo
Philly
New Jersey
Winnipeg - 4
================= playoff team cut line
NYR - 5
NYI - 7
Washington - 8
Ottawa - 10

Not much change tonight, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: oakl0008 on April 17, 2013, 12:25:20 AM
All of this premature media hype about a Montreal-Toronto showdown jinxed the Leafs. Yes, I will blame it on that.

A few tweets I came across:

@stats_canada: 4 out of 5 Canadians list their favourite NHL team as "whoever the Leafs are playing"

‏@SensNation
#Sens will overtake Leafs on 2nd last day of season & play Habs in round 1. Media will crucify them for robbing country of TOR/MTL match up

^ That last one just might happen with Ottawa's win tonight. They're right there.

Seriously the media just needs to shut it until things are figuratively written in stone.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Arn on April 18, 2013, 09:10:10 AM
So a win tonight and a Winnipeg loss tonight would do it?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 18, 2013, 09:15:21 AM
So a win tonight and a Winnipeg loss tonight would do it?

Yes
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2013, 09:19:27 AM
So a win tonight and a Winnipeg loss tonight would do it?

If Leafs lose to Isles, the Isles better beat Winnipeg next game.  A loss by the Jets would really deflate their spirits and the Leafs would know they only need to win 1.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 18, 2013, 09:24:44 AM
Meanwhile, Montreal loses again, allowing Boston to tie them in points with a game in hand (though the Habs have the most regulation + OT wins, not including shootouts, for the tiebreaker).  Their goaltending and defensive woes continue.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
Meanwhile, Montreal loses again, allowing Boston to tie them in points with a game in hand (though the Habs have the most regulation + OT wins, not including shootouts, for the tiebreaker).  Their goaltending and defensive woes continue.

Tiebreaker won't matter if Boston wins that game in hand.  They're in the drivers seat as long as they match/better the Habs record for the next 6 games.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 18, 2013, 09:51:20 AM
Meanwhile, Montreal loses again, allowing Boston to tie them in points with a game in hand (though the Habs have the most regulation + OT wins, not including shootouts, for the tiebreaker).  Their goaltending and defensive woes continue.

Tiebreaker won't matter if Boston wins that game in hand.  They're in the drivers seat as long as they match/better the Habs record for the next 6 games.

Boston is only ahead in the current standings where they're tied in points because of the game in hand = a better pts win%. Montreal leads Boston 23-22 in ROWs. Montreal also won the head-to-head season points series between the two teams. Odds are that Boston must finish with more points to stay ahead of Montreal who has the edge in the tiebreaker.

And that's important because the Leafs are most likely to play the #4 or #5 team. I'd prefer the Leafs face the Habs if they don't win their division outright (2% chance of that).
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 18, 2013, 10:01:02 AM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 18, 2013, 10:04:47 AM
How does the reality of a possible Montreal-Toronto first round with Toronto having home ice advantage shape up with us 4 points back with 5 to play.  Montreal is reeling right now with 3 straight losses and and getting terrible goaltending.  Toronto is 9-2-4 in their last 15.  We only need to get to within 2 points of them to set up the season finale so one more win than them in the next 4 games.  We should take them in tiebreakers if we end up tied in points after a win in the season finale.

Toronto road to season finale against Habs:
NYI @ Tor
Tor @ Ott (Who has Home ice adv. here?)
Tor @ TB
Tor @ Flor
Mon @ Tor

There is not one team on this list that is a guaranteed loss and every matchup is very winnable.  Home ice advantage is there if we want it.  RC needs to rally his troops and drive this home.

Habs road to season finale against Leafs:
TB @ Mon
Wash @ Mon
Mon @ NJ
Mon @ Wpg
Mon @ Tor

Wash is a tough game at home for the Habs and Wpg still fighting for a playoff may be a tough one as well. Wpg has won 4 games in a row and sit tied for 8th spot.  Montreal's last 3 games of the season are on the road. We have been waiting for the Habs to falter all season and it is finally looking like this may come to fruition. I am going to go out on a limb and say we face the Habs with home ice adv in round one and Deebo gets his wish.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: proteus2000 on April 18, 2013, 10:10:12 AM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

This was a test to see if the Caps were for real or if they were simply beating up on their weak division; they are definitely legit and have gotten hot at a great time.

Boston seems flat and beatable most nights...plus it's a different Leafs team than the one that was so embarassed last yr. Obviously the Habs are better to play against, but I'm not nearly as scared to play BOS as I would've been.

There is no team that would mean more in a playoff victory than against Boston--it would be like slaying the dragon.

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 18, 2013, 12:07:13 PM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

This was a test to see if the Caps were for real or if they were simply beating up on their weak division; they are definitely legit and have gotten hot at a great time.

Boston seems flat and beatable most nights...plus it's a different Leafs team than the one that was so embarassed last yr. Obviously the Habs are better to play against, but I'm not nearly as scared to play BOS as I would've been.

There is no team that would mean more in a playoff victory than against Boston--it would be like slaying the dragon.



That I agree with 100%.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

This was a test to see if the Caps were for real or if they were simply beating up on their weak division; they are definitely legit and have gotten hot at a great time.

Boston seems flat and beatable most nights...plus it's a different Leafs team than the one that was so embarassed last yr. Obviously the Habs are better to play against, but I'm not nearly as scared to play BOS as I would've been.

There is no team that would mean more in a playoff victory than against Boston--it would be like slaying the dragon.


That I agree with 100%.

I agree 95%, but withhold 5% agreement because of the font.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2013, 01:54:45 PM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

This was a test to see if the Caps were for real or if they were simply beating up on their weak division; they are definitely legit and have gotten hot at a great time.

Boston seems flat and beatable most nights...plus it's a different Leafs team than the one that was so embarassed last yr. Obviously the Habs are better to play against, but I'm not nearly as scared to play BOS as I would've been.

There is no team that would mean more in a playoff victory than against Boston--it would be like slaying the dragon.


That I agree with 100%.

I agree 95%, but withhold 5% agreement because of the font.

Agreed. It's a deviant, dastardly, defiant font.  ;)
Title: Standings- position
Post by: PG on April 18, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
Isles, Sens, and Rangers won. Jets are about to win also.

Worst night possible for the Leafs in terms of others gaining ground.

The 5th seed doesn't seem so certain anymore.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 18, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
Semin just tied the canes jets game with 1:12 left, I let out a loud yea, bet my neighbors hate me haha
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 18, 2013, 10:41:23 PM
Off to overtime now so the planes will get at least one point, hoping for a canes win
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 18, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
Jets win in OT.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 18, 2013, 10:45:42 PM
Shit jets won.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 18, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Hey tomorrow we can cheer for the Sabres.  :P

Sat Afternoon NYI plays the Jets.  So before our next game we might know more.  Who would we root for on Sat?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: losveratos on April 19, 2013, 01:17:02 AM
Hey tomorrow we can cheer for the Sabres.  :P

Sat Afternoon NYI plays the Jets.  So before our next game we might know more.  Who would we root for on Sat?
How about we root for us on Saturday?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
I know people are thinking it's a longshot that the Leafs miss the playoffs, but let me paint a roadmap that shows you exactly how that isn't so far fetched.  Let's assume the Leafs lose their remaining 4 games (and the way they've been playing lately that's NOT a stretch).  So let's say the Leafs finish the season with 53 points.

Rangers : (currently 48 points) go 3-1-1
@Buffalo OTL
NJ W
@Florida W
@Carolina W
NJ L

55 points with that record

Islanders (currently 51 points) go 2-1-1
@Winnipeg  OTL
@Carolina W
@Philly W
@Buffalo L

56 points with that record

Ottawa (currently 52 points) go 2-3
Leafs W
Pittsburgh L
@Washington L
Philly W
Boston L

56 points with that record

Winnipeg (currently 48 points) go 3-1
Islanders W (OT)
@Buffalo W
@Washington L
Montreal W
54 points with that record

Washington (currently 50 points) go 3-1
@Montreal W
Winnipeg W
Ottawa W
Boston L
56 points with that record
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2013, 09:17:18 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on April 19, 2013, 10:05:57 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

Ottawa fighting for their playoff lives.
Tampa and Florida looking to play spoiler.
Habs being the Habs.


Yup, Leafs are screwed.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2013, 10:20:57 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

Ottawa fighting for their playoff lives.
Tampa and Florida looking to play spoiler.
Habs being the Habs.


Yup, Leafs are screwed.

You would think the Florida game would be an easy win cause they stink, but then look at the schedule, it's the 2nd game of a back to back and Florida doesn't play the night before.  Leafs usually lose the 2nd game of a back to back especially with the other team rested.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: gunnar36 on April 19, 2013, 10:25:27 AM
I know people are thinking it's a longshot that the Leafs miss the playoffs, but let me paint a roadmap that shows you exactly how that isn't so far fetched.  Let's assume the Leafs lose their remaining 4 games (and the way they've been playing lately that's NOT a stretch).  So let's say the Leafs finish the season with 53 points.

Rangers : (currently 48 points) go 3-1-1
@Buffalo OTL
NJ W
@Florida W
@Carolina W
NJ L

55 points with that record

Islanders (currently 51 points) go 2-1-1
@Winnipeg  OTL
@Carolina W
@Philly W
@Buffalo L

56 points with that record

Ottawa (currently 52 points) go 2-3
Leafs W
Pittsburgh L
@Washington L
Philly W
Boston L

56 points with that record

Winnipeg (currently 48 points) go 3-1
Islanders W (OT)
@Buffalo W
@Washington L
Montreal W
54 points with that record

Washington (currently 50 points) go 3-1
@Montreal W
Winnipeg W
Ottawa W
Boston L
56 points with that record

Zee, I am with you.  This play-off spot is far from being locked down, especially considering the ugly hockey we have played the last 3 games. 
Title: Standings- position
Post by: PG on April 19, 2013, 10:25:43 AM
Florida is really, really bad though.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 19, 2013, 10:45:14 AM
I don't fear missing the playoffs but I fear sinking further in the standings which I am not too happy about.  Probably where we should be anyway though considering nobody picked this team to make it in the first place.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 19, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

What's the probability of all those things happening?  Because that's where would-be Nostradamuses fall on their faces.

You see, it's not only that the Leafs would HAVE to go 0-4 (which, despite your "not a stretch" comment is exactly that), that would have to happen AND everything else on the list would have to happen.  Not "and/or" (which would be a huge difference).  Chain all those together and your map becomes quite improbable.  Which it is.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2013, 11:06:36 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

What's the probability of all those things happening?  Because that's where would-be Nostradamuses fall on their faces.

You see, it's not only that the Leafs would HAVE to go 0-4 (which, despite your "not a stretch" comment is exactly that), that would have to happen AND everything else on the list would have to happen.  Not "and/or" (which would be a huge difference).  Chain all those together and your map becomes quite improbable.  Which it is.

It's not though, it's not like every team has to run the table and win all their remaining games.  Ottawa doesn't even have to go .500 to pass the Leafs if the Leafs go 0-4.  With all the teams I listed being desperate for wins, I can easily see them beating the likes of Florida/Carolina/Buffalo which most of them play.  All the teams I listed only need to get to 54 points if the Leafs go 0-4.  You can take away a win from each team I listed with 56 and they still do it.

Saturday's game at 3pm will be huge between Islanders/Winnipeg.  If Jets win that game it puts pressure on Leafs for Saturday night.  I'll rest alot easier if Jets lose that outright.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 19, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

What's the probability of all those things happening?  Because that's where would-be Nostradamuses fall on their faces.

You see, it's not only that the Leafs would HAVE to go 0-4 (which, despite your "not a stretch" comment is exactly that), that would have to happen AND everything else on the list would have to happen.  Not "and/or" (which would be a huge difference).  Chain all those together and your map becomes quite improbable.  Which it is.

It's not though, it's not like every team has to run the table and win all their remaining games.  Ottawa doesn't even have to go .500 to pass the Leafs if the Leafs go 0-4.  With all the teams I listed being desperate for wins, I can easily see them beating the likes of Florida/Carolina/Buffalo which most of them play.  All the teams I listed only need to get to 54 points if the Leafs go 0-4.  You can take away a win from each team I listed with 56 and they still do it.

I haven't gone to any of those playoff probability sites today but I bet we're still over 90%.  I'd place a sizable bet with odds like that, were I betting man.

Mind you, I'm talking about merely making the playoffs, not finishing 5th or whatever we are in.

EDIT: here's one of those sites:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi

Our probability of getting in is not just over 90%, it's still 99.8%.  They run 1000 simulations of the rest of the season to get this -- meaning 998 times out of 1000 the Leafs make it in.

Of course, their number is only as good as their model, which I have no idea about.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2013, 11:33:19 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

What's the probability of all those things happening?  Because that's where would-be Nostradamuses fall on their faces.

You see, it's not only that the Leafs would HAVE to go 0-4 (which, despite your "not a stretch" comment is exactly that), that would have to happen AND everything else on the list would have to happen.  Not "and/or" (which would be a huge difference).  Chain all those together and your map becomes quite improbable.  Which it is.

It's not though, it's not like every team has to run the table and win all their remaining games.  Ottawa doesn't even have to go .500 to pass the Leafs if the Leafs go 0-4.  With all the teams I listed being desperate for wins, I can easily see them beating the likes of Florida/Carolina/Buffalo which most of them play.  All the teams I listed only need to get to 54 points if the Leafs go 0-4.  You can take away a win from each team I listed with 56 and they still do it.

I haven't gone to any of those playoff probability sites today but I bet we're still over 90%.  I'd place a sizable bet with odds like that, were I betting man.

Mind you, I'm talking about merely making the playoffs, not finishing 5th or whatever we are in.

EDIT: here's one of those sites:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi

Our probability of getting in is not just over 90%, it's still 99.8%.  They run 1000 simulations of the rest of the season to get this -- meaning 998 times out of 1000 the Leafs make it in.

Of course, their number is only as good as their model, which I have no idea about.

Those sites just calculate odds based on a number of simulations which they break down.  If Leafs go 4-0, 3-1, etc.  They have a slim chance of them going 0-4, but based on how they're playing that site doesn't take that into account.  It's pure statistical chance.  Slim to no chance Leafs would finish the season 0-6 right?  Well how about last season when the Leafs fell off the face of the league after the all-star break.  Those same sites had the Leafs at a high probability of making the playoffs at the all-star break.  I think the Leafs broke those sites last season. ;-)

This comes from years of having the Leafs disappoint me, I fully expect to be kicked in the balls by the team again.  I won't believe they're in until that X- appears before the name.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 19, 2013, 11:39:44 AM
This team is reminding me of the '99-00 Leafs team that finally broke through the playoff barrier.. they were continually outshot with CUJO bailing them out most nights and similar defensive issues and never took the easy path anywherre, but they got the job done and made the show.. the semi finals in fact, as underdogs. 

I'm not predicting this team makes the semi finals but it sure looks a lot like that young team did back then.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 19, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
I'm fairly impressed with my roadmap.  Even took into account all teams playing each other like Jets/Isles and Jets/Caps.  If this comes to pass you can crown me Nostradamus.

What's the probability of all those things happening?  Because that's where would-be Nostradamuses fall on their faces.

You see, it's not only that the Leafs would HAVE to go 0-4 (which, despite your "not a stretch" comment is exactly that), that would have to happen AND everything else on the list would have to happen.  Not "and/or" (which would be a huge difference).  Chain all those together and your map becomes quite improbable.  Which it is.

It's not though, it's not like every team has to run the table and win all their remaining games.  Ottawa doesn't even have to go .500 to pass the Leafs if the Leafs go 0-4.  With all the teams I listed being desperate for wins, I can easily see them beating the likes of Florida/Carolina/Buffalo which most of them play.  All the teams I listed only need to get to 54 points if the Leafs go 0-4.  You can take away a win from each team I listed with 56 and they still do it.

I haven't gone to any of those playoff probability sites today but I bet we're still over 90%.  I'd place a sizable bet with odds like that, were I betting man.

Mind you, I'm talking about merely making the playoffs, not finishing 5th or whatever we are in.

EDIT: here's one of those sites:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi

Our probability of getting in is not just over 90%, it's still 99.8%.  They run 1000 simulations of the rest of the season to get this -- meaning 998 times out of 1000 the Leafs make it in.

Of course, their number is only as good as their model, which I have no idea about.

Those sites just calculate odds based on a number of simulations which they break down.  If Leafs go 4-0, 3-1, etc.  They have a slim chance of them going 0-4, but based on how they're playing that site doesn't take that into account.  It's pure statistical chance.  Slim to no chance Leafs would finish the season 0-6 right?  Well how about last season when the Leafs fell off the face of the league after the all-star break.  Those same sites had the Leafs at a high probability of making the playoffs at the all-star break.  I think the Leafs broke those sites last season. ;-)

This comes from years of having the Leafs disappoint me, I fully expect to be kicked in the balls by the team again.  I won't believe they're in until that X- appears before the name.

I won't belabor this any more, but the bolded part is the key here because it doesn't matter.  Each NHL game is essentially an independent event in terms of probability.*  If it weren't, a team playing badly would never ever break out of a slump.

* This holds in situations where the odds of an event are close to even (an unbiased coin flip is the classic example).  Pro hockey games are obviously not exactly like that, but the "spread" of level of skill from the best to the worst NHL teams is close enough so that the outcome of any one game is unpredictable.  All pro sports leagues are structured like that by design.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 19, 2013, 11:57:04 AM
I hope we end this skid, everyone will not shut up about how our losing streak would have continued into an 82-game schedule.  seriuosly, Leaf haters will most likely make an attempt at convincing us the playoff drought didn't really end.   ::)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 19, 2013, 12:00:09 PM
I hope we end this skid, everyone will not shut up about how our losing streak would have continued into an 82-game schedule.  seriuosly, Leaf haters will most likely make an attempt at convincing us the playoff drought didn't really end.   ::)

There are a lot of Leafs "Fans" doing the same thing. Not sure why anyone would choose to live so miserably.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 19, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
I have to think we'll get at least 1 point from the remaining games, which would probably be enough.  I think it's much more likely one of the other teams loses than it is everyone wins and we lose everything.  Anything can happen, but no point freaking out until it does.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 19, 2013, 12:27:12 PM
Relax all, so we lost two in a row and have Ott coming up. We will still make it, good teams bounce back
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 19, 2013, 12:47:35 PM
I know people are thinking it's a longshot that the Leafs miss the playoffs, but let me paint a roadmap that shows you exactly how that isn't so far fetched.  Let's assume the Leafs lose their remaining 4 games (and the way they've been playing lately that's NOT a stretch).  So let's say the Leafs finish the season with 53 points.

Rangers : (currently 48 points) go 3-1-1
@Buffalo OTL
NJ W
@Florida W
@Carolina W
NJ L

55 points with that record

Islanders (currently 51 points) go 2-1-1
@Winnipeg  OTL
@Carolina W
@Philly W
@Buffalo L

56 points with that record

Ottawa (currently 52 points) go 2-3
Leafs W
Pittsburgh L
@Washington L
Philly W
Boston L

56 points with that record

Winnipeg (currently 48 points) go 3-1
Islanders W (OT)
@Buffalo W
@Washington L
Montreal W
54 points with that record

Washington (currently 50 points) go 3-1
@Montreal W
Winnipeg W
Ottawa W
Boston L
56 points with that record

I don't even think last season we went 6 straight games without gaining a single point.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 19, 2013, 12:58:15 PM
I don't even think last season we went 6 straight games without gaining a single point.

4 games was the longest pointless streak last season. The last time they went 6 straight was when they lost 7 straight at the beginning of the 09/10 season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Rebel_1812 on April 19, 2013, 01:21:44 PM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

This was a test to see if the Caps were for real or if they were simply beating up on their weak division; they are definitely legit and have gotten hot at a great time.

Boston seems flat and beatable most nights...plus it's a different Leafs team than the one that was so embarassed last yr. Obviously the Habs are better to play against, but I'm not nearly as scared to play BOS as I would've been.

There is no team that would mean more in a playoff victory than against Boston--it would be like slaying the dragon.


That I agree with 100%.

I agree 95%, but withhold 5% agreement because of the font.

I think being a snob about font is taking pedantic nagging to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2013, 01:40:59 PM
Leafs' MacArthur: 'We’ve lost 2 games & you can feel it mounting in the city, the anxiety ... everyone, let’s all relax, the team included'

It's like he's speaking directly to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 19, 2013, 01:41:43 PM
After that Caps game, I'm hoping big time the Leafs avoid finishing lower than 5th. 6th would be a death sentence, IMO. Right now I would rather face Boston than the Caps.

4th seems possible with a win toinght and at least a point vs. Ottawa tomorrow.  Habs are crashing at the absolute wrong time for them. 

Of course, considering how playoff starved we are, anything in the top 8 is ok at this point!

This was a test to see if the Caps were for real or if they were simply beating up on their weak division; they are definitely legit and have gotten hot at a great time.

Boston seems flat and beatable most nights...plus it's a different Leafs team than the one that was so embarassed last yr. Obviously the Habs are better to play against, but I'm not nearly as scared to play BOS as I would've been.

There is no team that would mean more in a playoff victory than against Boston--it would be like slaying the dragon.


That I agree with 100%.

I agree 95%, but withhold 5% agreement because of the font.

I think being a snob about font is taking pedantic nagging to a whole new level.

If you're joking, that's hilarious.  And if you're serious, that's also hilarious.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 19, 2013, 01:44:48 PM
I agree 95%, but withhold 5% agreement because of the font.

I think being a snob about font is taking pedantic nagging to a whole new level.

If you're joking, that's hilarious.  And if you're serious, that's also hilarious.

 ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 19, 2013, 10:09:45 PM
Rangers destroyed Buffalo tonight, making things a bit tighter. We are probably not going to know all the playoff matchups right up until next Sunday.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 20, 2013, 08:11:42 AM
Rangers destroyed Buffalo tonight, making things a bit tighter. We are probably not going to know all the playoff matchups right up until next Sunday.

Awww.. I was counting on Buf to steal one for us. oh well.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: puckinthehead on April 20, 2013, 10:49:14 AM
I think Leafs will take the last 3 of 4 games. Especially against Mont. last game. Get fired up for the PO.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: hap_leaf on April 20, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
Leafs' MacArthur: 'We’ve lost 2 games & you can feel it mounting in the city, the anxiety ... everyone, let’s all relax, the team included'

It's like he's speaking directly to me.  ;D

How about you just score a goal tonight MacArthur?  We could have used a point or two from you the last 4 games, Mr. Invisible.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 20, 2013, 01:28:35 PM
Leafs' MacArthur: 'We’ve lost 2 games & you can feel it mounting in the city, the anxiety ... everyone, let’s all relax, the team included'

It's like he's speaking directly to me.  ;D

How about you just score a goal tonight MacArthur?  We could have used a point or two from you the last 4 games, Mr. Invisible.

I don't know if it was from the same interview or not, but on the radio, MacArthur himself said he's played like *bleeped* lately.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 20, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Leafs' MacArthur: 'We’ve lost 2 games & you can feel it mounting in the city, the anxiety ... everyone, let’s all relax, the team included'

It's like he's speaking directly to me.  ;D

How about you just score a goal tonight MacArthur?  We could have used a point or two from you the last 4 games, Mr. Invisible.

I don't know if it was from the same interview or not, but on the radio, MacArthur himself said he's played like *bleeped* lately.

I heard the interview. I was impressed with how he answered the questions.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 20, 2013, 02:51:17 PM
I'm hoping the Leafs play well in Ottawa tonight. A win would be nice but I think they clinch in Florida.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on April 20, 2013, 03:16:29 PM
I think Leafs will take the last 3 of 4 games. Especially against Mont. last game. Get fired up for the PO.

Hey nutman, you're not allowed to make two user accounts on this site.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 20, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
The Leafs better win tonight and the Jets better lose, I've been waiting 9 years for playoff hockey and I've been a good boy this season, come on hockey gods, give us a break dammit.

Mariska Hargitay
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 20, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
Of course Wellwood scores goals #5 & 6 on the season to tie the game at 3 in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 20, 2013, 04:47:23 PM
Of course Wellwood scores goals #5 & 6 on the season to tie the game at 3 in the 2nd.

In my roadmap to Leafs missing the playoffs I have Jets winning this game in OT. So far so good.
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 20, 2013, 04:51:53 PM
Of course Wellwood scores goals #5 & 6 on the season to tie the game at 3 in the 2nd.

In my roadmap to Leafs missing the playoffs I have Jets winning this game in OT. So far so good.


Wow! Zee, it sounds as if you want the leafs to miss out.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 20, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
Of course Wellwood scores goals #5 & 6 on the season to tie the game at 3 in the 2nd.

In my roadmap to Leafs missing the playoffs I have Jets winning this game in OT. So far so good.


Wow! Zee, it sounds as if you want the leafs to miss out.

Nope. Just thinking they'll disappoint the fan base even worse than last season. If Jets win today and Leafs lose, it's going to be panic mode in call in shows until the next game.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 20, 2013, 05:03:44 PM
It's okay to let yourself get excited, it's just hockey.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 20, 2013, 05:18:30 PM
4-3 islanders now. Thank you Grabner, he played in the ahl with the moose, score another grabs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 20, 2013, 05:35:25 PM
Frigging little tied it.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: louisstamos on April 20, 2013, 05:37:49 PM
Frigging little tied it.

The penalty call was super soft too...especially since the NYI player was boarded moments later with no call.
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 20, 2013, 05:38:22 PM
Frigging little tied it.

Leafs can't rely on help from other teams. If they want to get in win 2 games.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 20, 2013, 05:41:04 PM
That was a BS PP with 2:00 left, especially considering the boarding.
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 20, 2013, 05:41:50 PM
Frigging little tied it.

Leafs can't rely on help from other teams. If they want to get in win 2 games.

Zee.. I agree, we win two and its ours. but I want them all. I still want a shot at fourth.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: louisstamos on April 20, 2013, 05:56:54 PM
Islanders win in a shootout!  If the Leafs win in regulation or overtime (not a shootout), I believe they can clinch tonight!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 20, 2013, 06:00:01 PM
Well there's one point. Hopefully that breaks the Jets will and they lose their next game outright.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 20, 2013, 06:00:39 PM
Islanders win in a shootout!  If the Leafs win in regulation or overtime (not a shootout), I believe they can clinch tonight!

Yep, if Leafs win in regulation/OT they'd have 55 pts and 25 ROW, max Jets can get is 55 pts and 24 ROW.
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 20, 2013, 06:03:19 PM
Islanders win in a shootout!  If the Leafs win in regulation or overtime (not a shootout), I believe they can clinch tonight!

You might be right. Jets can only get 55 points now if they go 3-0 and they'd lose the ROW tiebreaker if Leafs win tonight (not in shootout)

I feel a tad better now. A win tonight and I'll sleep like a baby tonight.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 20, 2013, 06:18:33 PM
Isles have 53 points now too - Leafs destiny (as far as positioning in the east) is in their own hands. A loss tonight and they are tied for 6th with the Isles - I haven't been paying attention enough to know who would get the tiebreak. Just win!
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 20, 2013, 07:02:59 PM
Islanders win in a shootout!  If the Leafs win in regulation or overtime (not a shootout), I believe they can clinch tonight!

You might be right. Jets can only get 55 points now if they go 3-0 and they'd lose the ROW tiebreaker if Leafs win tonight (not in shootout)

I feel a tad better now. A win tonight and I'll sleep like a baby tonight.

Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
Title: Re: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 20, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
Islanders win in a shootout!  If the Leafs win in regulation or overtime (not a shootout), I believe they can clinch tonight!

You might be right. Jets can only get 55 points now if they go 3-0 and they'd lose the ROW tiebreaker if Leafs win tonight (not in shootout)

I feel a tad better now. A win tonight and I'll sleep like a baby tonight.

Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
Easy Big Zed.  We're going to be in.   :)
:)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 20, 2013, 09:59:31 PM
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Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TML fan on April 20, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
What a relief.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: oldman on April 20, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
I'm not a Leafs fan nor do I play one on TV but BIG congrats on making the playoffs. It's a long time coming. Hopefully JVR lights it up in the playoffs like he did a couple years ago. Unfortunately my team didn't make it this year so I'll be quietly cheering on the Leafs to make some noise. 8)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 20, 2013, 10:20:54 PM
I'm not a Leafs fan nor do I play one on TV but BIG congrats on making the playoffs. It's a long time coming. Hopefully JVR lights it up in the playoffs like he did a couple years ago. Unfortunately my team didn't make it this year so I'll be quietly cheering on the Leafs to make some noise. 8)



welcome aboard the leaf playoff wagon. I hope the leafs make you happy you cheered them on.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 20, 2013, 10:46:46 PM
So the Leafs clinched a playoff berth and now what remains is to find out where they'll be seeded:

Magic Number of points gained by Leafs or lost by an opponent to eliminate them from being able to pass the Leafs who currently sit 5th in the Eastern Conference:
Boston 12
Washington 4 (Probable Division winner for 3rd seed)
Montreal 10
Ottawa 5
Islanders 4
Rangers 3

Leafs lead the tiebreaker with Boston, Washington & Montreal by ROWs and clinching a tiebreaker against any one of those teams will lower the magic number by a point.

Leafs have already clinched the tiebreaker with Ottawa, Islanders & Rangers.

According to sportsclubstats
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html
the Leafs currently have a :
2% chance of finishing 2nd
14% chance of finishing 4th
66% chance of finishing 5th
13% chance of finishing 6th
4% chance of finishing 7th
1% chance of finishing 8th

29% chance of facing Boston
54.9% chance of facing Montreal
11.8% chance of facing Washington
4.3% chance of facing one of the other playoff teams

5th place playing Montreal looks most likely.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Leafaholic99 on April 21, 2013, 12:46:49 AM
I'd love to play the habs but so happy we made the playoffs wahooooooooo
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: BrownRolo on April 21, 2013, 03:25:35 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIVuHJgCAAAwhzZ.jpg)

When I first saw this I thought it was a golfbag with hockey sticks inside.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Wulfgar85 on April 21, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
I hoping for the Habs, it would be nice if the Leafs could past them and finish 4th for home ice. Either this team is playoff bound and thats all that matters.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: 93forever on April 21, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
I hoping for the Habs, it would be nice if the Leafs could past them and finish 4th for home ice. Either this team is playoff bound and thats all that matters.

The way Montreal is playing, home ice advantage and a series win are definite possibilities for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Exile on Bay St on April 22, 2013, 09:50:55 AM
Playing the Habs would be a great start to the playoffs, and as of today that's who the Leafs would play. I dread the idea of playing Boston. Whoever does is going to see some seriously biased reffing.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 22, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
Playing the Habs would be a great start to the playoffs, and as of today that's who the Lefs would play. I dread the idea of playing Boston. Whoever does is going to see some seriously biased reffing.

You mean like Chara's free pass for taking his elbow to player's heads on nearly every body check or the cross checks to the back of the neck?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 23, 2013, 01:01:05 AM
Playing the Habs would be a great start to the playoffs, and as of today that's who the Leafs would play. I dread the idea of playing Boston. Whoever does is going to see some seriously biased reffing.

It's an incredible opportunity for the Leafs, getting their feet wet against the Habs who they've typically gotten the better of.

I don't expect the Leafs to get an easy win, but the Habs are a small finesse squad who probably won't physically wear their opponent down like the Bruins will.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 23, 2013, 08:12:44 AM
Boston is only breaking the tie with Montreal because they have a game in hand.  If they lose the next game, they remain tied in points, but the Habs win the tiebreak due to having the most regulation wins.  So, Boston needs at least one extra point to stay ahead.

Plus, the Rangers and Islanders are surging and are right on the Leafs' heels!  This is going to be a heck of an exciting week.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 23, 2013, 11:33:32 AM
Leafs magic number to stay ahead of teams:

NYI: 4
NYR: 3
OTT: 3
WAS: 4 (3 if the Leafs can take goal differential)

Leafs "tragic" number - combination of points lost by Leafs or gained by other teams that prevent the Leafs from being able to pass them:

BOS: 3
MTL: 3
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 23, 2013, 12:03:55 PM
Leafs magic number to stay ahead of teams:

NYI: 4
NYR: 3
OTT: 3
WAS: 4 (3 if the Leafs can take goal differential)

Leafs "tragic" number - combination of points lost by Leafs or gained by other teams that prevent the Leafs from being able to pass them:

BOS: 3
MTL: 3

Trying to come up with a witty "pelagic" number ...  the number of miles out to sea we want to tow the Habs before we scuttle them??

Ah, never mind.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on April 23, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
Leafs magic number to stay ahead of teams:

NYI: 4
NYR: 3
OTT: 3
WAS: 4 (3 if the Leafs can take goal differential)

Leafs "tragic" number - combination of points lost by Leafs or gained by other teams that prevent the Leafs from being able to pass them:

BOS: 3
MTL: 3

Trying to come up with a witty "pelagic" number ...  the number of miles out to sea we want to tow the Habs before we scuttle them??

Ah, never mind.

Roughly 5000 miles Southeast from Toronto.  This would put the Habs in the middle of the doldrums.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 23, 2013, 01:06:25 PM
Good write up on the standings and what is at stake tonight around the league
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667200&navid=nhl:topheads
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 23, 2013, 09:06:55 PM
Montreal losing to New Jersey in the 3rd
Boston losing to Philadelphia in the 2nd
New York Rangers losing to Florida in the 2nd
New York Islanders losing to Carolina in the 2nd

That would be one heck of a night for the Leafs.  2nd overall or bust
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 23, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
Of course the Islanders tie it up with 1:00 left.

EDIT: Canes win in shootout.  Isles at 54 points.

Habs lost.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 23, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Montreal lost to New Jersey, so home ice is entirely in the Leafs hands at this point.  If they win out, they finish 4th at least.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 23, 2013, 09:56:21 PM
Jets lose 5-3 at DC.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 23, 2013, 10:03:20 PM
Rangers lose in regulation.

Boston is down 3 goals to Philly with 6 mins to play
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 23, 2013, 10:19:14 PM
NYI - Magic number = 3  (Leafs already clinched ROW tiebreaker)
OTT - Magic number = 3 (Leafs already clinched ROW tiebreaker)
NYR - Magic number = 1 (Leafs already clinched ROW tiebreaker)
------------------------------------
MON - Magic number = 3 (Leafs hold tiebreaker IF teams finish = in points)
BOS - Magic number = 3 (Leafs hold tiebreaker IF teams finish = in points)

TORONTO - @FLORIDA; @TAMPA; MONTREAL
MONTREAL - @WINNIPEG; @TORONTO
BOSTON - TAMPA; @WASHINGTON; OTTAWA
OTTAWA - @WASHINGTON; PHILLY; @BOSTON
NEW YORK ISLANDERS - @PHILLY; @BUFFALO
NEW YORK RANGERS - @CAROLINA; NEW JERSEY
WINNIPEG - MONTREAL

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 23, 2013, 10:24:52 PM
Of course the Islanders tie it up with 1:00 left.

EDIT: Canes win in shootout.  Isles at 54 points.


That clinched a playoff berth for the Isles.

Rangers and Sens have to contend with Winnipeg (who is down to a pretty slim chance)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 23, 2013, 11:36:35 PM
I'm going to Saturdays game against Montreal. Looking like it could possibly be a big game for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on April 24, 2013, 08:59:03 AM
If the Leafs can manage to win all 3 remaining games, home ice is guaranteed.

If that happens and Boston Goes 1-2-0, 0-1-2, 0-2-1 or 0-3-0 in their 3 remaining games, the Leafs would win the division.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 24, 2013, 08:59:39 AM
Is it ok to look at possible Leafs opponents from the # 2 seed?!?!?!?  :)

Could the Sens finish 7th?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: drummond on April 24, 2013, 05:04:48 PM
I would be happy with the Leafs-Canadiens series, Leafs own them this year. Could be real fun, regardless who has home advantage.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 24, 2013, 05:35:17 PM
I would be happy with the Leafs-Canadiens series, Leafs own them this year. Could be real fun, regardless who has home advantage.


Don't get too positive, back in the day when the leafs played Ott, they owned us all season, and we kicked there butt in the playoffs. my point .... be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on April 24, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
I would be happy with the Leafs-Canadiens series, Leafs own them this year. Could be real fun, regardless who has home advantage.


Don't get too positive, back in the day when the leafs played Ott, they owned us all season, and we kicked there butt in the playoffs. my point .... be careful what you wish for.

*reads post*

*reads author*

I'm not familiar with the type of thing I'm seeing. :D

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 24, 2013, 05:52:21 PM
Hmm... the less-than-positive quote, only one grammatical error (probably for effect)... I'm not buying it. Nutman, your account has been hacked !!    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 24, 2013, 06:23:11 PM
I don't think it'll matter who we play - I'd say we're out in 5 anyway. In the Playoffs, Defense and Goal-tending becomes a premium. So I see our offence (which got us where we are) drying up, while our defense and goal-tending remains as porous as ever (Currently 14th in league for GA).

I see Reimer stealing one, but the defense leaving him out to dry a lot.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on April 24, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
I don't think it'll matter who we play - I'd say we're out in 5 anyway. In the Playoffs, Defense and Goal-tending becomes a premium. So I see our offence (which got us where we are) drying up, while our defense and goal-tending remains as porous as ever (Currently 14th in league for GA).

I see Reimer stealing one, but the defense leaving him out to dry a lot.

 BOOOOOOOOOOO!! >:(
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 24, 2013, 07:05:51 PM
I would be happy with the Leafs-Canadiens series, Leafs own them this year. Could be real fun, regardless who has home advantage.

II remember back in 89 the leafs were 7-1 in 8 games against the blues that season and in the first round the leafs went out in 5 very badly played games against St Louis.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 24, 2013, 10:27:38 PM
The loss tonight all but ended the slim chance of winning the division.

It also significantly reduced the Leafs chances at 4th place/home ice in the first round - down to 11% chance.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 24, 2013, 10:43:44 PM
updated:
NYI - Magic number = 3  (Leafs already clinched ROW tiebreaker)
OTT - Magic number = 3 (Leafs already clinched ROW tiebreaker)
NYR - Magic number = 1 (Leafs already clinched ROW tiebreaker)
------------------------------------
MON - Tragic number = 1 (Leafs hold tiebreaker IF teams finish = in points)
BOS - Tragic number = 1 (Leafs hold tiebreaker IF teams finish = in points)

TORONTO - @TAMPA; MONTREAL
MONTREAL - @WINNIPEG; @TORONTO
BOSTON - TAMPA; @WASHINGTON; OTTAWA
OTTAWA - @WASHINGTON; PHILLY; @BOSTON
NEW YORK ISLANDERS - @PHILLY; @BUFFALO
NEW YORK RANGERS - @CAROLINA; NEW JERSEY

A lot of games tomorrow:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/scores.htm?date=04/25/2013
will go a long way to sorting this out
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 25, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
while our defense and goal-tending remains as porous as ever (Currently 14th in league for GA).

How is that "as porous as ever"?  It's better than they've been since 03-04.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AvroArrow on April 25, 2013, 09:49:26 AM
I don't think it'll matter who we play - I'd say we're out in 5 anyway. In the Playoffs, Defense and Goal-tending becomes a premium. So I see our offence (which got us where we are) drying up, while our defense and goal-tending remains as porous as ever (Currently 14th in league for GA).

I see Reimer stealing one, but the defense leaving him out to dry a lot.

So, other teams' defence and goaltending will get better to the point they effectively "dry up" our offence, but our defence and goaltending is not bound by the same law and will remain "as porous as ever"?

Gotta love negativity!  ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 25, 2013, 10:27:53 AM
I'm going to Saturdays game against Montreal. Looking like it could possibly be a big game for the Leafs.

Me too.  hey look for me.. i will be the one in a Leafs jeresy.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 25, 2013, 10:28:43 AM
Leafs are in the playoffs and we are still disappointed about things.

Leafs nation, everyone.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 25, 2013, 10:37:12 AM
Leafs are in the playoffs and we are still disappointed about things.

Leafs nation, everyone.

Seems pretty rational, IMO.  Making the playoffs doesn't mean everything is fine.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 25, 2013, 10:49:37 AM
Leafs are in the playoffs and we are still disappointed about things.

Leafs nation, everyone.

Seems pretty rational, IMO.  Making the playoffs doesn't mean everything is fine.

I'm not suggesting everything is fine.  Just doesn't make sense to me to get down on the imperfections right now ... would much rather be focused on looking forward to the post season.  If I was expecting this team to contend, I might.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 25, 2013, 10:54:15 AM
Serenity, my friends.  Our playoff watchword is "serenity."
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Frank E on April 25, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
Leafs are in the playoffs and we are still disappointed about things.

Leafs nation, everyone.

Seems pretty rational, IMO.  Making the playoffs doesn't mean everything is fine.

I'm with Potvin...they're playing terrible hockey right now. 

Carlyle dropped the tough guys, and still they got killed last night by a lousy team.

I would have expected them to play a lot more hard nosed given home ice is at stake here.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 25, 2013, 11:17:38 AM
Leafs are in the playoffs and we are still disappointed about things.

Leafs nation, everyone.

Seems pretty rational, IMO.  Making the playoffs doesn't mean everything is fine.

I'm with Potvin...they're playing terrible hockey right now. 

Carlyle dropped the tough guys, and still they got killed last night by a lousy team.

I would have expected them to play a lot more hard nosed given home ice is at stake here.

As for last night... playing a high octane team with no pressure on them but to try and pad their art ross stats, I wasn't expecting great things. 

I would almost rather see them have a rough few games than coast into the playoffs thinking they are hot s**t.   Not as rough as what the Habs are going through mind you, but that loss should make them stronger in the long run.

As for home ice.. why break your back for that? Nice to have of course, but not the be-all end-all.

FLA tonight and then a likely home ice deciding game vs. Mtl on Sat.  It can still happen.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 25, 2013, 11:29:09 AM
I would almost rather see them have a rough few games than coast into the playoffs thinking they are hot s**t.   Not as rough as what the Habs are going through mind you, but that loss should make them stronger in the long run.

I think that sort of thing might have been true at a time but these days with the parity in the league, and we saw a pretty clear example of it last year, there is no reset button when the playoffs start. If the #8 seed is hot going into the playoffs, they can ride that the entire way. If the #1 seed isn't? They're in real trouble.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 25, 2013, 12:26:05 PM
I'm going to Saturdays game against Montreal. Looking like it could possibly be a big game for the Leafs.

I really hope it is a big game.  I sure hope it isn't more or less meaningless.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Optimus Reimer on April 25, 2013, 12:54:30 PM
Leafs are in the playoffs and we are still disappointed about things.

Leafs nation, everyone.

Seems pretty rational, IMO.  Making the playoffs doesn't mean everything is fine.

I'm with Potvin...they're playing terrible hockey right now. 

Carlyle dropped the tough guys, and still they got killed last night by a lousy team.

I would have expected them to play a lot more hard nosed given home ice is at stake here.

From what I saw last night, TB has pure snipers who can score from anywhere and take advantage of other teams errors.  If their goaltending was up to par during the season, the Bolts would be pushing for a playoff spot or have a spot.  Leafs defence had miscommunication errors (two d-men covering the same player) or did not pay attention to where the forwards were.  Bolts made the same mistakes on Lupul's goal.

We should be glad the Leafs are in the playoffs.  I expected them to finish dead last and a lot of media types expected the same thing.  This is something the players can build on, by competing against players who have playoff success, who know what it takes to win and building on that for next season.  By making a few minor adjustments, the team can be improved for next season, and be a solid playoff team for years. 
       
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 25, 2013, 12:57:35 PM
We should be glad the Leafs are in the playoffs.

Is being glad that they're in the playoffs and continuing to analyze how they're playing mutually exclusive? Because I haven't seen anyone unhappy that they're in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: louisstamos on April 25, 2013, 01:01:40 PM
We should be glad the Leafs are in the playoffs.

Is being glad that they're in the playoffs and continuing to analyze how they're playing mutually exclusive? Because I haven't seen anyone unhappy that they're in the playoffs.

Well...there was that one guy...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 25, 2013, 01:17:26 PM

I would almost rather see them have a rough few games than coast into the playoffs thinking they are hot s**t. 

For some reason, when I read this I thought of Kadri's falloff after his hat trick in Ottawa and subsequent hero worship by Don Cherry.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2013, 01:20:22 PM

I would almost rather see them have a rough few games than coast into the playoffs thinking they are hot s**t. 

For some reason, when I read this I thought of Kadri's falloff after his hat trick in Ottawa and subsequent hero worship by Don Cherry.

It's like Cherry gave him the kiss of death.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: caveman on April 25, 2013, 01:32:11 PM
We should be glad the Leafs are in the playoffs.

Is being glad that they're in the playoffs and continuing to analyze how they're playing mutually exclusive? Because I haven't seen anyone unhappy that they're in the playoffs.

Well...there was that one guy...

LOL ! Yes there was!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 25, 2013, 01:48:48 PM
We should be glad the Leafs are in the playoffs.

Is being glad that they're in the playoffs and continuing to analyze how they're playing mutually exclusive? Because I haven't seen anyone unhappy that they're in the playoffs.

Well...there was that one guy...

LOL ! Yes there was!

??
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: louisstamos on April 25, 2013, 02:03:38 PM
We should be glad the Leafs are in the playoffs.

Is being glad that they're in the playoffs and continuing to analyze how they're playing mutually exclusive? Because I haven't seen anyone unhappy that they're in the playoffs.

Well...there was that one guy...

LOL ! Yes there was!

??

In the bandwagon thread...Mot the Barber
http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=1606.msg123990#msg123990
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 25, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
I'm going to Saturdays game against Montreal. Looking like it could possibly be a big game for the Leafs.

I really hope it is a big game.  I sure hope it isn't more or less meaningless.

For it to have meaning with the Habs, the Habs have to go pointless against Winnipeg & Toronto has to get 2 pts against Florida tonight. Otherwise, the Leafs can't catch the Habs.

If the Leafs win, the Habs get a point or more and the Islanders & Senators get a point or less, then the game will almost be meaningless for the Leafs (as the Bruins would have to go pointless over their next 3 games for the Leafs to have a chance to overtake them in a tiebreaker).

Lots of things could happen tonight to significantly settle the standings for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Boston Leaf on April 25, 2013, 03:33:05 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 25, 2013, 03:42:56 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes

Yes.

Hottest team around right now.  Caps or the Pens I wouldn't want to go near at this point.  I would rather play Boston.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 25, 2013, 03:45:02 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes

Yeah I think so.

The Caps record is deceptive because of their bad start. They look like the consensus #2 team in the East right now.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 25, 2013, 04:02:00 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes

Yes.

Hottest team around right now.  Caps or the Pens I wouldn't want to go near at this point.  I would rather play Boston.

I agree as well.

Wouldn't want to play the Islanders either in the first round but the chances of that are so slim for the Leafs mathematically (according to sportclubstats.com - I don't see how it can happen), it's not worth discussion. But they might help knock someone off should the Leafs make it to the second round.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes

Yes.

Hottest team around right now.  Caps or the Pens I wouldn't want to go near at this point.  I would rather play Boston.

I agree as well.

Wouldn't want to play the Islanders either in the first round but the chances of that are so slim for the Leafs mathematically (according to sportclubstats.com - I don't see how it can happen), it's not worth discussion. But they might help knock someone off should the Leafs make it to the second round.

That's strange, looking at the standings I don't think there's any way possible for the Leafs and Isles to meet in round 1.  Even if Leafs win the division they can't finish 3rd seed, and there's no way Leafs/Isles could be 4th/5th.  Does sportsclub stats know something we don't?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on April 25, 2013, 04:08:39 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes

Yes.

Hottest team around right now.  Caps or the Pens I wouldn't want to go near at this point.  I would rather play Boston.

I agree as well.

Wouldn't want to play the Islanders either in the first round but the chances of that are so slim for the Leafs mathematically (according to sportclubstats.com - I don't see how it can happen), it's not worth discussion. But they might help knock someone off should the Leafs make it to the second round.

That's strange, looking at the standings I don't think there's any way possible for the Leafs and Isles to meet in round 1.  Even if Leafs win the division they can't finish 3rd seed, and there's no way Leafs/Isles could be 4th/5th.  Does sportsclub stats know something we don't?

We could conceivably still win the division and finish 2nd and the isles could end up in 7th.

Very slight possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2013, 04:10:13 PM
am I the only one that wants to fall to 6 and play the Caps?.. Im guessing probably yes

Yes.

Hottest team around right now.  Caps or the Pens I wouldn't want to go near at this point.  I would rather play Boston.

I agree as well.

Wouldn't want to play the Islanders either in the first round but the chances of that are so slim for the Leafs mathematically (according to sportclubstats.com - I don't see how it can happen), it's not worth discussion. But they might help knock someone off should the Leafs make it to the second round.

That's strange, looking at the standings I don't think there's any way possible for the Leafs and Isles to meet in round 1.  Even if Leafs win the division they can't finish 3rd seed, and there's no way Leafs/Isles could be 4th/5th.  Does sportsclub stats know something we don't?

We could conceivably still win the division and finish 2nd and the isles could end up in 7th.

Very slight possibility, but a possibility nonetheless.

Doh, it was staring me right in the face, Isles have been so hot I only saw them moving up not down.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on April 25, 2013, 04:15:05 PM
2 games left and they can go as high as 2nd or as low as 8th.  Probably stick in 5th but it's fun to look at the possibilities right now. 
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 25, 2013, 04:16:40 PM
I'm going to Saturdays game against Montreal. Looking like it could possibly be a big game for the Leafs.

I really hope it is a big game.  I sure hope it isn't more or less meaningless.

For it to have meaning with the Habs, the Habs have to go pointless against Winnipeg & Toronto has to get 2 pts against Florida tonight. Otherwise, the Leafs can't catch the Habs.

If the Leafs win, the Habs get a point or more and the Islanders & Senators get a point or less, then the game will almost be meaningless for the Leafs (as the Bruins would have to go pointless over their next 3 games for the Leafs to have a chance to overtake them in a tiebreaker).

Lots of things could happen tonight to significantly settle the standings for the Leafs.

Winnipeg still technically has a chance, so hopefully they play that way.  They've tried to screw the Leafs over enough times already, they owe one.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 25, 2013, 07:07:15 PM
Thursday pivotal with final playoff berths up for grabs (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667568&navid=nhl:topheads)


Playoff Primer April 25: Final spots can be wrapped up (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667525&navid=nhl:topheads)
Toronto at Florida: The Toronto Maple Leafs finish a two-game trip to the Sunshine State with a visit to the Florida Panthers, who are completing their home schedule. The Leafs saw their chances of earning home ice in the first round damaged badly when they lost 5-2 to the Tampa Bay Lightning on Wednesday. They need a victory and a loss by the Montreal Canadiens to have a chance to overtake the Canadiens for fourth place in the Eastern Conference by beating them at Air Canada Centre on Saturday; they would need that scenario as well as three regulation losses by the Boston Bruins to finish first in the Northeast Division.

Good place to track where they sit when the evening for the eastern teams is over
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto.html
as they're pretty good with updates
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 26, 2013, 06:50:48 AM
As we concluded in the game day thread, the Leafs can only finish in 5th or 6th place.

The magic number to hold off Ottawa is 1. A point gained by the Leafs against Montreal or a point lost by Ottawa against Philadelphia or Boston will clinch 5th place for the Leafs. Clinching 5th place would insure the Leafs don't face a hot Washington in the 1st round - which many would agree is a good thing.

Boston has two games left to play at Washington and hosting Ottawa. Montreal has one game left in Toronto. Boston and Montreal are tied with 61 pts. Montreal is ahead in ROW 25-24 and won the season points series 6-3. So Boston probably has to finish ahead of Montreal in points to clinch the division. Again, I think most would agree the preferable opponent for the Leafs is Montreal over Boston. The Leafs could do a lot to help their cause by beating Montreal on Saturday.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 26, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
Thanks for the explanation, cw. 

Certainly playoff opponents in order of preference for me would be:

1. Montreal
2. Boston





61. Washington  (edit: I'm picking them to win the East)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 26, 2013, 11:36:17 AM
Thanks for the explanation, cw. 

Certainly playoff opponents in order of preference for me would be:

1. Montreal
2. Boston





61. Washington  (edit: I'm picking them to win the East)

How many times has Washington looked like one of the favs going into the playoffs though and always end up falling short?  Washington has peaked to early I think and I would hazard to guess they may slip into their old disappointing playoff woes once again.  I still want Montreal first round though.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 26, 2013, 11:42:51 AM
Thanks for the explanation, cw. 

Certainly playoff opponents in order of preference for me would be:

1. Montreal
2. Boston





61. Washington  (edit: I'm picking them to win the East)

I can't see how Washington could get past the Pens to win the east. I just don't see PIT not making the final.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 26, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
How many times has Washington looked like one of the favs going into the playoffs though and always end up falling short?  Washington has peaked to early I think and I would hazard to guess they may slip into their old disappointing playoff woes once again.  I still want Montreal first round though.

I hear you but ...

#1 they aren't the favorite.

#2 the re-invention of Ovechkin is complete. He's now a better overall player and is clearly back and as dangerous as ever.

#3 hitting rock bottom early this year and coming back from there to win the division is pretty remarkable, and what looked like a team ready to be torn apart is now playing very cohesive hockey. They are now firing on all cylinders and are a far better, more complete hockey team than they were before.

#4 they are on a huge roll and teams who go in hot tend to keep rolling. 

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Corn Flake on April 26, 2013, 11:51:20 AM
I can't see how Washington could get past the Pens to win the east. I just don't see PIT not making the final.

Goaltending.  That is all.   8)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 26, 2013, 11:55:34 AM
I can't see how Washington could get past the Pens to win the east. I just don't see PIT not making the final.

Goaltending.  That is all.   8)

Hopefully that is what carries the Leafs further than expected as well.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 26, 2013, 10:09:13 PM
Islanders end their regular season with a shootout loss to the Sabres. The Leafs were already too far ahead of the Isles for it to make a difference to them in the standings.

The Sens & Rangers have clinched the tiebreaker against the Isles but they're now both 1 point behind. The Sens have two games left. The Rangers have one game to play.

An Isles-Pens series wouldn't be bad for the Leafs. Should the Leafs make the second round, the Pens will have to overcome a very hot Islanders team that might upset them or take some steam out them.

Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 27, 2013, 09:52:32 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Peter D. on April 27, 2013, 10:16:54 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins

I thought, down the stretch here, that there was no way Boston wasn't going to win the division.

I want absolutely nothing to do with them in the first round. At all.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 27, 2013, 10:18:46 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins
f

I will be watching, sad that it has come down to this.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 28, 2013, 01:08:45 AM
Does it matter who we play, honestly? Okay, if we play Boston we're out in 5 tops. If we play Montreal we might be able to push it to 6.

Chances of a 4-0 sweep are very likely.

We are porous defensively. We got to 5th because of a shortened season, luck, and offence. Those things most likely won't be in play in the opening round. It's more likely our offence drys up (as it is want to do in the playoffs) but I doubt we shore up defensively, we couldn't all season pretty much.

This was a year of good luck and fortune for us - it most likely won't be repeated next year, and likely we'll be on the outside looking in.. again.

Just enjoy the extra games, and being part of (what will most likely be) a short playoff atmosphere again.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 28, 2013, 03:08:34 AM
Only good news left is that Boston hasn't lost to Ottawa this season.

Go Bruins!

(Brystine: Of course it matters who we play!)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on April 28, 2013, 03:51:09 AM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins

I thought, down the stretch here, that there was no way Boston wasn't going to win the division.

I want absolutely nothing to do with them in the first round. At all.

i don't know..i guess i've come around the other way on this..with how bad they've been lately..they don't seem anywhere near as scary...i think the leafs are in tough no matter who they're up against..they're definitely not favourites....anyway..original six match up either way...it'll be more then we've had to enjoy in past years
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Bullfrog on April 28, 2013, 08:02:06 AM
Does it matter who we play, honestly? Okay, if we play Boston we're out in 5 tops. If we play Montreal we might be able to push it to 6.

Chances of a 4-0 sweep are very likely.

We are porous defensively. We got to 5th because of a shortened season, luck, and offence. Those things most likely won't be in play in the opening round. It's more likely our offence drys up (as it is want to do in the playoffs) but I doubt we shore up defensively, we couldn't all season pretty much.

This was a year of good luck and fortune for us - it most likely won't be repeated next year, and likely we'll be on the outside looking in.. again.

Just enjoy the extra games, and being part of (what will most likely be) a short playoff atmosphere again.

Wow, what a terribly pessimistic outlook. I'm not sure why the Leafs' offense is going to dry up while all the other teams will continue to be prolific scorers.

One of the best penalty kills in the league, very good goaltending, four  players on 30-goal pace, two top-10 scoring defensemen, etc. It's not luck, this team is genuinely better.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 28, 2013, 08:20:05 AM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667968&navid=nhl:topheads

If Boston wins in regulation:
#1 Pittsburgh vs. #8 Ottawa (Sens lost season series 0-3)
#2 Boston vs. #7 NY Islanders (Bruins won season series 2-1)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Boston wins in overtime or shootout:
#2 Boston vs. #7 Ottawa (Bruins won season series 4-0 - all one goal games)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Ottawa wins in any fashion:
#2 Montreal vs. #7 Ottawa (Sens split series 2-2)
#4 Boston vs. #5 Toronto (Bruins won season series 3-1)

Based on season series, best match up for Sens is the Habs and therefore, that might provide more incentive to win.

Based on season series, worst match up for Bruins is the Isles and therefore, that might reduce their incentive to win.
Title: Standings- position
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 28, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
Craziness
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 28, 2013, 11:12:33 AM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667968&navid=nhl:topheads

If Boston wins in regulation:
#1 Pittsburgh vs. #8 Ottawa (Sens lost season series 0-3)
#2 Boston vs. #7 NY Islanders (Bruins won season series 2-1)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Boston wins in overtime or shootout:
#2 Boston vs. #7 Ottawa (Bruins won season series 4-0 - all one goal games)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Ottawa wins in any fashion:
#2 Montreal vs. #7 Ottawa (Sens split series 2-2)
#4 Boston vs. #5 Toronto (Bruins won season series 3-1)

Based on season series, best match up for Sens is the Habs and therefore, that might provide more incentive to win.

Based on season series, worst match up for Bruins is the Isles and therefore, that might reduce their incentive to win.

I am displeased with Ottawa and Boston's likely respective motivations to win this game, and their impact on the Leafs. :(
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 28, 2013, 11:21:33 AM
I still say I'll take Boston. I think it will be just as fun watching us and them as it would Mon.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Captain Canuck on April 28, 2013, 11:43:54 AM
Does it matter who we play, honestly? Okay, if we play Boston we're out in 5 tops. If we play Montreal we might be able to push it to 6.

Chances of a 4-0 sweep are very likely.

We are porous defensively. We got to 5th because of a shortened season, luck, and offence. Those things most likely won't be in play in the opening round. It's more likely our offence drys up (as it is want to do in the playoffs) but I doubt we shore up defensively, we couldn't all season pretty much.

This was a year of good luck and fortune for us - it most likely won't be repeated next year, and likely we'll be on the outside looking in.. again.

Just enjoy the extra games, and being part of (what will most likely be) a short playoff atmosphere again.

I can't say I share your pessimistic outlook!  ::)
We WON the season series vs. the Habs, so why would they steamroll us in the playoffs?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: cw on April 28, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667968&navid=nhl:topheads

If Boston wins in regulation:
#1 Pittsburgh vs. #8 Ottawa (Sens lost season series 0-3)
#2 Boston vs. #7 NY Islanders (Bruins won season series 2-1)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Boston wins in overtime or shootout:
#2 Boston vs. #7 Ottawa (Bruins won season series 4-0 - all one goal games)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Ottawa wins in any fashion:
#2 Montreal vs. #7 Ottawa (Sens split series 2-2)
#4 Boston vs. #5 Toronto (Bruins won season series 3-1)

Based on season series, best match up for Sens is the Habs and therefore, that might provide more incentive to win.

Based on season series, worst match up for Bruins is the Isles and therefore, that might reduce their incentive to win.

I am displeased with Ottawa and Boston's likely respective motivations to win this game, and their impact on the Leafs. :(

I was displeased by the Leafs lack of motivation last night. Had they prevailed, motivation of other teams for today's game would not be a concern for us.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 28, 2013, 01:11:41 PM
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667968&navid=nhl:topheads

If Boston wins in regulation:
#1 Pittsburgh vs. #8 Ottawa (Sens lost season series 0-3)
#2 Boston vs. #7 NY Islanders (Bruins won season series 2-1)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Boston wins in overtime or shootout:
#2 Boston vs. #7 Ottawa (Bruins won season series 4-0 - all one goal games)
#4 Montreal vs. #5 Toronto (Leafs won season series 3-2)

If Ottawa wins in any fashion:
#2 Montreal vs. #7 Ottawa (Sens split series 2-2)
#4 Boston vs. #5 Toronto (Bruins won season series 3-1)

Based on season series, best match up for Sens is the Habs and therefore, that might provide more incentive to win.

Based on season series, worst match up for Bruins is the Isles and therefore, that might reduce their incentive to win.

I am displeased with Ottawa and Boston's likely respective motivations to win this game, and their impact on the Leafs. :(

I was displeased by the Leafs lack of motivation last night. Had they prevailed, motivation of other teams for today's game would not be a concern for us.

That too!  Oh, well.  They made their bed, and unfortunately we all have to lie in it.  Serves the team right, even if the fans deserve better.  If it's Boston in the playoffs, no doubt it'll end up bringing out either the best or the worst in the Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 28, 2013, 01:26:16 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins

A single point by Boston still gets them the division I think.
Title: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on April 28, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins

A single point by Boston still gets them the division I think.

Montreal has the ROW tiebreak.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: L K on April 28, 2013, 01:39:10 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins

A single point by Boston still gets them the division I think.

Montreal has the ROW tiebreak.

So Ottawa loses in OT.  Ottawa moves into 7th and avoids facing Pittsburgh while Boston faces the Senators in a fun affair in the playoffs.  The Leafs get to face Montreal still.  Wins all around.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 28, 2013, 02:02:17 PM
So, 5th locked up, a Boston win tomorrow and the Leafs play Montreal, a single point by Boston and they play the Bruins

A single point by Boston still gets them the division I think.

Montreal has the ROW tiebreak.

Right right, was confused why Boston was ahead of them going into last night so assumed they had the tiebreak - but it was number of GP then.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: oakl0008 on April 28, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
Does it matter who we play, honestly? Okay, if we play Boston we're out in 5 tops. If we play Montreal we might be able to push it to 6.

Chances of a 4-0 sweep are very likely.

We are porous defensively. We got to 5th because of a shortened season, luck, and offence. Those things most likely won't be in play in the opening round. It's more likely our offence drys up (as it is want to do in the playoffs) but I doubt we shore up defensively, we couldn't all season pretty much.

This was a year of good luck and fortune for us - it most likely won't be repeated next year, and likely we'll be on the outside looking in.. again.

Just enjoy the extra games, and being part of (what will most likely be) a short playoff atmosphere again.

I can't say I share your pessimistic outlook!  ::)
We WON the season series vs. the Habs, so why would they steamroll us in the playoffs?

I think Brystine is saying this based on how the team is playing lately.

That, AND we only won the season series 3-2 I think. Years ago Ottawa beat Toronto in every regular season game only to be swept in the playoff matchup. So that doesn't mean a whole lot.

I think the media made too much too early about a Leafs-Habs playoff run way before anything was certain, so this situation was bound to happen. It's not over yet but I always had this feeling that it was going to be Bruins-Leafs in the first round. Not sure how I feel about that but I know I wouldn't feel all that confident over a Leaf-Habs matchup. No more Jinx!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jalili on April 28, 2013, 03:50:23 PM
I still say I'll take Boston. I think it will be just as fun watching us and them as it would Mon.

Nothing excites me more than a matchup against a team that psychologically owns us.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 28, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
Wow, what a terribly pessimistic outlook. I'm not sure why the Leafs' offense is going to dry up while all the other teams will continue to be prolific scorers.

One of the best penalty kills in the league, very good goaltending, four  players on 30-goal pace, two top-10 scoring defensemen, etc. It's not luck, this team is genuinely better.

All offence will dry up - it happens in the Playoffs. Less PP's, tighter defense, tighter match-ups etc. So when that gets taken from us, we are left with having to do the same - I don't trust this team defensively, and despite Reimer having an excellent season, there's very few games we play where luck didn't play a part in keeping the puck out of our net.

I think you'll see scores like this 3-1, 4-2, 2-1, 2-0.

PKing won't really matter - the whistles largely get put away in the Post-Season, it's all about 5on5. Kessel will most likely be matched up against a great shadowing forward, who's sole job will be to make him disappear, I'm not sure Kessel can fight through this, we've seen Boston already use this against us by having Chara on Kessel, and Kessel can't produce against the Bruins because of it. In a 4 Game series, against the same team, players are going to take pride in shutting down the offence from the other team.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 28, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
I can't say I share your pessimistic outlook!  ::)
We WON the season series vs. the Habs, so why would they steamroll us in the playoffs?

Means nothing. Two games we won because Price was sleeping and it seemed every shot of ours found the back of the net. I doubt he turns into Fleury.

We'll see - but I'm saying it now - we're out in 5 or under. I don't even think we'll push it to 6.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 28, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Means nothing. Two games we won because Price was sleeping and it seemed every shot of ours found the back of the net. I doubt he turns into Fleury.

No need for Price to turn into Fleury. His own playoff history isn't exactly stellar. He crumbles in big games.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 28, 2013, 05:37:53 PM
All offence will dry up - it happens in the Playoffs. Less PP's, tighter defense, tighter match-ups etc. So when that gets taken from us, we are left with having to do the same - I don't trust this team defensively, and despite Reimer having an excellent season, there's very few games we play where luck didn't play a part in keeping the puck out of our net.

...

PKing won't really matter - the whistles largely get put away in the Post-Season, it's all about 5on5.

Do you have a link or something that shows this to be true?

Just quickly on my own, last season in the playoffs there were around 3.7 power plays per game.  This season, the Leafs have had 3.4 power play opportunities per game.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 28, 2013, 05:38:22 PM
Means nothing. Two games we won because Price was sleeping and it seemed every shot of ours found the back of the net. I doubt he turns into Fleury.

No need for Price to turn into Fleury. His own playoff history isn't exactly stellar. He crumbles in big games.

1 Averagely Bad, 2 Horrible, 1 Excellent. The Excellent being his latest foray into the Playoffs.

Over his career:

1 Averagely Bad, 1 Averagely Good, 1 Horrible, 2 Excellent.

Certainly allows for scrutinization. Then, we don't know how Reimer will do.

Looking at his career we have:

1 Horrible, 1 Excellent.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: oakl0008 on April 28, 2013, 05:40:35 PM
Wow, what a terribly pessimistic outlook. I'm not sure why the Leafs' offense is going to dry up while all the other teams will continue to be prolific scorers.

One of the best penalty kills in the league, very good goaltending, four  players on 30-goal pace, two top-10 scoring defensemen, etc. It's not luck, this team is genuinely better.

All offence will dry up - it happens in the Playoffs. Less PP's, tighter defense, tighter match-ups etc. So when that gets taken from us, we are left with having to do the same - I don't trust this team defensively, and despite Reimer having an excellent season, there's very few games we play where luck didn't play a part in keeping the puck out of our net.

I think you'll see scores like this 3-1, 4-2, 2-1, 2-0.

PKing won't really matter - the whistles largely get put away in the Post-Season, it's all about 5on5. Kessel will most likely be matched up against a great shadowing forward, who's sole job will be to make him disappear, I'm not sure Kessel can fight through this, we've seen Boston already use this against us by having Chara on Kessel, and Kessel can't produce against the Bruins because of it. In a 4 Game series, against the same team, players are going to take pride in shutting down the offence from the other team.

And this right here is what worries me, as good as Kessel is (without him there would have been no post season).  :-\
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 28, 2013, 05:46:15 PM
1 Averagely Bad, 2 Horrible, 1 Excellent. The Excellent being his latest foray into the Playoffs.

Over his career:

1 Averagely Bad, 1 Averagely Good, 1 Horrible, 2 Excellent.

Certainly allows for scrutinization. Then, we don't know how Reimer will do.

Looking at his career we have:

1 Horrible, 1 Excellent.

Price has one playoff season where his Sv% was noticeably above .900, and in that playoff, he played poorly in the pivotal 7th game of the 1st round, as well as in the very important 3rd and 4th games, that would have given his team a stranglehold on the series. He's not a closer. In the 1 playoff round he's won, he game perilously close to blowing a 3-1 series lead by playing terribly in games 5 and 6. He has not shown himself to a goalie to be feared in the playoffs, nor was he particularly spectacular in the regular season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 28, 2013, 06:20:30 PM
PKing won't really matter - the whistles largely get put away in the Post-Season, it's all about 5on5.

Last year the Kings were shorthanded 3.57 times per game in the regular season and then 3.8 times per game in the postseason. The Devils were shorthanded 3.16 times per game in the regular season and 3.42 times per game in the postseason.

Both teams had top 3 PK's in the regular season. The idea that a good PK doesn't matter in the postseason is laughable.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 28, 2013, 09:38:39 PM
Ottawa just pulled ahead 3-2 over Boston with 3 minutes left.  Hey, if the Sens can beat 'em, maybe we can too.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: pnjunction on April 28, 2013, 09:43:22 PM
Sens get the empty-netter.  Bruins it is.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 28, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Oh boy... Bring on the Bruins I guess...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 28, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

I know it's not real cool to reply to yourself, but......
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 28, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

I know it's not real cool to reply to yourself, but......

Not cool, dude.

;)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 28, 2013, 09:52:45 PM
Mirtle says there are "rumblings" the series might not start until Thursday.  Not good if true.

EDIT: And just as I press post, Gord Miller says it starts Wednesday.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: The Good, The Bad & the Jokinen on April 28, 2013, 10:02:15 PM
Wow, what a terribly pessimistic outlook. I'm not sure why the Leafs' offense is going to dry up while all the other teams will continue to be prolific scorers.

One of the best penalty kills in the league, very good goaltending, four  players on 30-goal pace, two top-10 scoring defensemen, etc. It's not luck, this team is genuinely better.

All offence will dry up - it happens in the Playoffs. Less PP's, tighter defense, tighter match-ups etc. So when that gets taken from us, we are left with having to do the same - I don't trust this team defensively, and despite Reimer having an excellent season, there's very few games we play where luck didn't play a part in keeping the puck out of our net.

I think you'll see scores like this 3-1, 4-2, 2-1, 2-0.

PKing won't really matter - the whistles largely get put away in the Post-Season, it's all about 5on5. Kessel will most likely be matched up against a great shadowing forward, who's sole job will be to make him disappear, I'm not sure Kessel can fight through this, we've seen Boston already use this against us by having Chara on Kessel, and Kessel can't produce against the Bruins because of it. In a 4 Game series, against the same team, players are going to take pride in shutting down the offence from the other team.

Quite the negative nancy you are.... Reg season has traditionally meant little as pointed out via the stats against the sens. They owned us all season every season until it came crunch time. Then they went down faster then a toothless hooker on welfare day. To sit there and say that the PK means nothing is also a joke. Special teams are key to any team let alone a contender. I don't have the stats in front of me atm but if you take a look back i would be willing to bet you that you'd see almost every championship team has not only a good PP but a solid PK unit as well.

 Mind you i am not near ready to call us a true contender yet...but we got a invite to the big dance and now we move forward from here. Even if we loose in the first round, it is key experience that will become invaluable to us in the future. Everything has a purpose and i find it hard to believe that Reims will turn into Toskala V2.0 and that all of our offense goes into the tank against the bruins. We have more in our arsenal then we have had in years past and we have a little something that we can finally see burning in the guys eyes.... It's called HOPE. You my fairweathered friend seem like you need to find your passion once again.

The habs would have been a dream come true in the first round. Now we have to hope and cheer for the chance to break them in the second round when they really think they have a chance. Pitts and Wash are the odds on favs to be in the ECF and for good reason.

Above all else... Look at last year's Champs. From 8th to a Cup, proof positive that once the puck drops on the real season anything is possible.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: leafplasma on April 28, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

I know it's not real cool to reply to yourself, but......

Not cool, dude.

;)
Yep, the Fonz he is not.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 28, 2013, 10:08:20 PM
Alright. It seems like a foregone conclusion to me
that we will meet the Boston Bruins in the first round of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. I know it's still early, but doesn't it seem inevitable?

I know it's not real cool to reply to yourself, but......

Not cool, dude.

;)
Yep, the Fonz he is not.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 8)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on April 28, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
Tough test for the Leafs and so many of the players' first NHL playoff experiences. The Bruins are a tough, physical team that play solid defence and have excellent goaltending. They also have some pretty solid offensive depth and a lot of playoff experience on their roster. This is a real trial by fire for our Leafs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: RedLeaf on April 28, 2013, 10:27:25 PM
Tough test for the Leafs and so many of the players' first NHL playoff experiences. The Bruins are a tough, physical team that play solid defence and have excellent goaltending. They also have some pretty solid offensive depth and a lot of playoff experience on their roster. This is a real trial by fire for our Leafs.

Which really isn't a bad thing, long term, even if they get bounced in 4 or 5. They've got to earn their stripes, and what better way to do that than to play the team they've had the most problems with straight out of the shoot. I don't think many will predict a Leafs series win, but stranger things have happened, and it wouldnt be too far fetched for them to pull it off...
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on April 28, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
I was pulling for a series against Montreal for the rivalry, but I'm surprisingly content with Boston.  This will be a real test for the team, and the potential reward for victory will be enormous. 

I think Boston will feel confident playing the Leafs as a way to snap out of their recent slump (3-5-2 in their last 10, good lord!), but this is playoff hockey we're talking about.  Anything is possible.  As lofty as it may seem to win the cup, all it takes is 16 wins out of 28 possible games, and that you stay consistent throughout.

Mostly I just want to see the Leafs play in the playoffs.  It's been so damn long, and this team has improved significantly over last season.  However this turns out, I hope it's the first of many new playoff years.  Go Leafs go!
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 28, 2013, 10:51:29 PM
Quite the negative nancy you are.... Reg season has traditionally meant little as pointed out via the stats against the sens. They owned us all season every season until it came crunch time. Then they went down faster then a toothless hooker on welfare day. To sit there and say that the PK means nothing is also a joke. Special teams are key to any team let alone a contender. I don't have the stats in front of me atm but if you take a look back i would be willing to bet you that you'd see almost every championship team has not only a good PP but a solid PK unit as well.

I didn't say the PK was meaningless, I said it's not going to matter much, especially now that we are playing the Bruins who have a 26th rank PP. I don't see many goals being scored on the PP.

This series is going to be about 5 on 5, and there, I think Boston walks all over this team. As far as the regular season meaning nothing - I agree. Boston beat us, but did so by 1 goal in the games (sans the games they got an EN) it was a close series. I don't see this playoffs being the same situation. Boston in 5 tops, in my opinion.

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Mind you i am not near ready to call us a true contender yet...but we got a invite to the big dance and now we move forward from here. Even if we loose in the first round, it is key experience that will become invaluable to us in the future. Everything has a purpose and i find it hard to believe that Reims will turn into Toskala V2.0 and that all of our offense goes into the tank against the bruins. We have more in our arsenal then we have had in years past and we have a little something that we can finally see burning in the guys eyes.... It's called HOPE. You my fairweathered friend seem like you need to find your passion once again.

Never said Reimer will turn into Vesa. I said the games would be low scoring on both sides, but the Leafs will fail to produce the same offence that got them into the playoffs in the first place. Kessel is likely to be AWOL. Kadri hasn't been scoring of late. Lups looks regular. I don't see any of our players able to fight through the tough checking, tight defense and strong goaltending the Bruins can bring to the table.

And I didn't see much hope against the Canadiens. I didn't see much against the Lightning. Or the Islanders, or the Caps. Our last three wins came against a Florida team that sucks, an Ottawa team that was falling like a rock, and a Devils team that had one 7 games out of their last 26. The rest we lost giving up 4+ goals each time.

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The habs would have been a dream come true in the first round. Now we have to hope and cheer for the chance to break them in the second round when they really think they have a chance. Pitts and Wash are the odds on favs to be in the ECF and for good reason.

Above all else... Look at last year's Champs. From 8th to a Cup, proof positive that once the puck drops on the real season anything is possible.

The Kings were not a typical 8th Seed. Everyone knows that. They got into the playoffs by playing absolutely lights out after a coaching change, and kept that up in the playoffs. No one had the pegged for 8th, they were pegged for higher than that.

Habs would have been the better option, but again, I still think we'd be out in 6 tops. Guess we'll see if I'm right or not coming up.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 28, 2013, 10:55:36 PM
Does this mean we WILL see Orr out there to "counter" Lucic?  :o

Like Busta said, it will be a trial by fire.  And no one will be in a hotter seat than Mr. Phil Kessel.  If he could just get one early in the 1st game, the whole complexion of the series could be changed.  That said, I don't think there's much chance we win it.  But neither do I think we go out in 4 or 5.  I'm thinking B's in 6.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 28, 2013, 11:02:28 PM
I was pulling for a series against Montreal for the rivalry, but I'm surprisingly content with Boston.  This will be a real test for the team, and the potential reward for victory will be enormous. 

I think Boston will feel confident playing the Leafs as a way to snap out of their recent slump (3-5-2 in their last 10, good lord!), but this is playoff hockey we're talking about.  Anything is possible.  As lofty as it may seem to win the cup, all it takes is 16 wins out of 28 possible games, and that you stay consistent throughout.

Mostly I just want to see the Leafs play in the playoffs.  It's been so damn long, and this team has improved significantly over last season.  However this turns out, I hope it's the first of many new playoff years.  Go Leafs go!

We are 5-5 in our last 10. 28GF, 26GA.

We are 11-9 in our last 20. 10 of those games came against non-Playoff teams.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: proteus2000 on April 28, 2013, 11:04:37 PM
This is a great opportunity to slay the dragon. Boston has lost 7 of 9 and have looked very beatable. Yes we are a big 'dawg but we can steal a game in BOS to make this interesting.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Peter D. on April 28, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Well, if there was ever a time to exorcise the Bruins demons, might as well be now.

Go Leafs Go.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: TML fan on April 28, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
Bruins in 4, but only because they can't just forfeit the final game.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jay-Mar on April 29, 2013, 12:10:38 AM
This post season is the perfect opportunity to play Boston, they've been shaky for the last while and Rask is just as unproven in the Play-offs as Reimer. The biggest thing is the Leafs arent going to think they ll walk all over them like they thought they would to Montreal(see Saturday). If the Leafs get the momentum early and win the series they will be the team to watch out for these play offs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: The Good, The Bad & the Jokinen on April 29, 2013, 12:42:26 AM
Quite the negative nancy you are.... Reg season has traditionally meant little as pointed out via the stats against the sens. They owned us all season every season until it came crunch time. Then they went down faster then a toothless hooker on welfare day. To sit there and say that the PK means nothing is also a joke. Special teams are key to any team let alone a contender. I don't have the stats in front of me atm but if you take a look back i would be willing to bet you that you'd see almost every championship team has not only a good PP but a solid PK unit as well.

I didn't say the PK was meaningless, I said it's not going to matter much, especially now that we are playing the Bruins who have a 26th rank PP. I don't see many goals being scored on the PP.

This series is going to be about 5 on 5, and there, I think Boston walks all over this team. As far as the regular season meaning nothing - I agree. Boston beat us, but did so by 1 goal in the games (sans the games they got an EN) it was a close series. I don't see this playoffs being the same situation. Boston in 5 tops, in my opinion.

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Mind you i am not near ready to call us a true contender yet...but we got a invite to the big dance and now we move forward from here. Even if we loose in the first round, it is key experience that will become invaluable to us in the future. Everything has a purpose and i find it hard to believe that Reims will turn into Toskala V2.0 and that all of our offense goes into the tank against the bruins. We have more in our arsenal then we have had in years past and we have a little something that we can finally see burning in the guys eyes.... It's called HOPE. You my fairweathered friend seem like you need to find your passion once again.

Never said Reimer will turn into Vesa. I said the games would be low scoring on both sides, but the Leafs will fail to produce the same offence that got them into the playoffs in the first place. Kessel is likely to be AWOL. Kadri hasn't been scoring of late. Lups looks regular. I don't see any of our players able to fight through the tough checking, tight defense and strong goaltending the Bruins can bring to the table.

And I didn't see much hope against the Canadiens. I didn't see much against the Lightning. Or the Islanders, or the Caps. Our last three wins came against a Florida team that sucks, an Ottawa team that was falling like a rock, and a Devils team that had one 7 games out of their last 26. The rest we lost giving up 4+ goals each time.

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The habs would have been a dream come true in the first round. Now we have to hope and cheer for the chance to break them in the second round when they really think they have a chance. Pitts and Wash are the odds on favs to be in the ECF and for good reason.

Above all else... Look at last year's Champs. From 8th to a Cup, proof positive that once the puck drops on the real season anything is possible.

The Kings were not a typical 8th Seed. Everyone knows that. They got into the playoffs by playing absolutely lights out after a coaching change, and kept that up in the playoffs. No one had the pegged for 8th, they were pegged for higher than that.

Habs would have been the better option, but again, I still think we'd be out in 6 tops. Guess we'll see if I'm right or not coming up.

Thats where our PP will help make the difference. Make em pay when they get annoyed by Leo enough they pull a markov and sit for less then 2.

They are a solid team no doubt but they have not been playing well, blowing leads and loosing to the sens ffs lol. Writing off Lups as being "regular"... well if  ppg is reg i'm happy with that. Kadri and Phil just need another game to click hopefully and well if Reims can keep playing like he has for the most part we should be in better shape then some give us credit for.   We did have the third most goals for i believe it was and couple that with the fact that the bruins have not scored more then 2 goals more then a couple of times in their past 9-10 games.

Yes the Kings might not be the best example but other teams worse then us have went deep into the spring. We're not in 5th for no reason so maybe the whole 8th seed thing has no relevance as we belong in the playoffs this year from our play as a whole. There have been many teams worse then us in past years that went deep after finding their groove at the right time.

I also wonder how fast all those signs that read " free beer during all leaf playoff games " disappeared  ;)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: nutman on April 29, 2013, 07:00:00 AM
Yes..... we got Boston, I like this. I have wanted them all along, and am glad it worked out. this is a stepping stone for the buds.  I'm calling for a long hard battle between these two teams.  A flip the coin kind of series.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 29, 2013, 12:18:53 PM
only positive I can take from this is that there is no shootout in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on April 29, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
I didn't say the PK was meaningless, I said it's not going to matter much, especially now that we are playing the Bruins who have a 26th rank PP. I don't see many goals being scored on the PP.

You said it wasn't going to matter because there are less PPs in the playoffs, but then you were shown that that wasn't true.  So why would it matter any more or less than in the regular season if just as many penalties have typically been called?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Frank E on April 29, 2013, 12:26:36 PM
only positive I can take from this is that there is no shootout in the playoffs.

Is the guy in your gif picking the flyshit out of pepper?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on April 29, 2013, 12:33:05 PM
In the unlikely even we move on, who are we likely to play? Or is it still to early to have any idea?

Haven't had playoffs in so long that I forget. Something to do with highest seeds left etc. or something. Definitely something.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 29, 2013, 12:34:20 PM
In the unlikely even we move on, who are we likely to play? Or is it still to early to have any idea?

Haven't had playoffs in so long that I forget. Something to do with highest seeds left etc. or something. Definitely something.

They re-seed, so there's no way to know. If all of the other series go according to seeding and the Leafs beat Boston then they'd play Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Joe S. on April 29, 2013, 12:38:19 PM
only positive I can take from this is that there is no shootout in the playoffs.

Is the guy in your gif picking the flyshit out of pepper?

Someone doesn't watch Archer...

Someone is missing out.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 29, 2013, 03:34:34 PM
I didn't say the PK was meaningless, I said it's not going to matter much, especially now that we are playing the Bruins who have a 26th rank PP. I don't see many goals being scored on the PP.

You said it wasn't going to matter because there are less PPs in the playoffs, but then you were shown that that wasn't true.  So why would it matter any more or less than in the regular season if just as many penalties have typically been called?

I have no doubt there is less penalties called in the playoffs. I'm just to lazy to crunch the numbers.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 29, 2013, 03:35:58 PM
In the unlikely even we move on, who are we likely to play? Or is it still to early to have any idea?

Haven't had playoffs in so long that I forget. Something to do with highest seeds left etc. or something. Definitely something.

Gets re-seeded and goes with Highest Place vs Lowest Place again.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 29, 2013, 03:39:51 PM
I have no doubt there is less penalties called in the playoffs. I'm just to lazy to crunch the numbers.

Oh, those assumptions. Sorry to say but more penalties are called in the playoffs, not less. Here's a link to someone who isn't as lazy:

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season (http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Derk on April 29, 2013, 03:45:47 PM
It'd be nice if Leafs got a few more PPs. I seem to recall at the beginning of the season they were drawing more penalties. That seemed to drop off just as the number of uncalled penalties seemed to rise (or so I will biasedly try to convince everyone ;D).
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 29, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
I have no doubt there is less penalties called in the playoffs. I'm just to lazy to crunch the numbers.

Oh, those assumptions. Sorry to say but more penalties are called in the playoffs, not less. Here's a link to someone who isn't as lazy:

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season (http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season)

 ;D
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: The Good, The Bad & the Jokinen on April 29, 2013, 11:10:04 PM
I have no doubt there is less penalties called in the playoffs. I'm just to lazy to crunch the numbers.

Oh, those assumptions. Sorry to say but more penalties are called in the playoffs, not less. Here's a link to someone who isn't as lazy:

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season (http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season)

As much as i hate to admit Nik is right about anything ;) He's gotcha there.

Game, Set, Match Mr. Nik

Special teams are even MORE crucial in the playoffs then ever. A solid PP and a rock solid PK will help us immensely. There are a lot of boston fans that are not happy with playing us now that it actually means something and they have not been playing well or scoring more then 2  goals a game for a while now. If Reims plays well and our special teams keep rolling i like our odds to be honest.

Being the underdog is much more fun. The look on the other teams faces when you beat them is  more priceless then ;)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Brystine on April 30, 2013, 11:54:17 AM
I have no doubt there is less penalties called in the playoffs. I'm just to lazy to crunch the numbers.

Oh, those assumptions. Sorry to say but more penalties are called in the playoffs, not less. Here's a link to someone who isn't as lazy:

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season (http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season)

Guess my eyes are deceiving me. Always feel like there's less powerplays in the playoffs. Oh well.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on May 01, 2013, 09:46:27 AM
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/zpsn6.jpg)
Does anyone else find this score-keeping method needlessly misleading?  Maybe it's my OCPD showing, but this graphic is going to bother me the whole post-season.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on May 01, 2013, 09:57:50 AM
I have no doubt there is less penalties called in the playoffs. I'm just to lazy to crunch the numbers.

Oh, those assumptions. Sorry to say but more penalties are called in the playoffs, not less. Here's a link to someone who isn't as lazy:

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season (http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2011/6/21/2236035/penalty-comparison-playoffs-vs-regular-season)

Guess my eyes are deceiving me. Always feel like there's less powerplays in the playoffs. Oh well.

Bruins had one of the worst PP during season and Leafs had one of the best PK, hopefully that holds up, special teams could be the difference maker in the series.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jay-Mar on May 01, 2013, 10:31:25 AM
The BIG thing that hurt the Leafs this year, that cost them many points, Was the shoot out. They don't have to worry about that at all and in my opinion that's where the team scoring will shows its value. How many losses to the Bruins over the years came down to shootout losses and not being blown away?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Deebo on May 01, 2013, 10:36:59 AM
The BIG thing that hurt the Leafs this year, that cost them many points, Was the shoot out. They don't have to worry about that at all and in my opinion that's where the team scoring will shows its value. How many losses to the Bruins over the years came down to shootout losses and not being blown away?

This year, 1.

Last year, none.

The year before, the Leafs won the season series and the Leafs won 2 of the games by SO.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Jay-Mar on May 01, 2013, 10:41:12 AM
The BIG thing that hurt the Leafs this year, that cost them many points, Was the shoot out. They don't have to worry about that at all and in my opinion that's where the team scoring will shows its value. How many losses to the Bruins over the years came down to shootout losses and not being blown away?

This year, 1.

Last year, none.

The year before, the Leafs won the season series and the Leafs won 2 of the games by SO.

Well that 1 loss was key!!  ;)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Mr. Leaf on May 01, 2013, 11:33:44 AM
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/zpsn6.jpg)
Does anyone else find this score-keeping method needlessly misleading?  Maybe it's my OCPD showing, but this graphic is going to bother me the whole post-season.
I don't get it.  What do you find misleading about it?  ???
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on May 01, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/zpsn6.jpg)
Does anyone else find this score-keeping method needlessly misleading?  Maybe it's my OCPD showing, but this graphic is going to bother me the whole post-season.
I don't get it.  What do you find misleading about it?  ???

It's got the 1-0 under the wrong graphic.  I know you have to read it like "CHI LEADS 1-0" but naturally the tendancy is to look at the graphic of the team, see a "1" under the Wild logo and a "0" under the Hawks logo and at a quick glance it looks like the Wild are leading.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on May 01, 2013, 11:50:44 AM
So it's misleading because it takes you more than 1 second to read the part where it tells you who is leading?
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on May 01, 2013, 12:06:42 PM
So it's misleading because it takes you more than 1 second to read the part where it tells you who is leading?

Many people will just glance at it then do something else.  Visual cues draw the eye in. You see 2 teams and a 1-0 underneath them it's natural to think the team logo that has the 1 under it is leading.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on May 01, 2013, 12:17:42 PM
So it's misleading because it takes you more than 1 second to read the part where it tells you who is leading?

Many people will just glance at it then do something else.  Visual cues draw the eye in. You see 2 teams and a 1-0 underneath them it's natural to think the team logo that has the 1 under it is leading.

Agree  vs.  Disagree
   Disagree leads
         1-0
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on May 01, 2013, 12:21:11 PM
So it's misleading because it takes you more than 1 second to read the part where it tells you who is leading?

Many people will just glance at it then do something else.  Visual cues draw the eye in. You see 2 teams and a 1-0 underneath them it's natural to think the team logo that has the 1 under it is leading.

Agree  vs.  Disagree
   Disagree leads
         1-0

They wouldn't even need the words if they just did this:

(http://i.imgur.com/zsI9TMp.png)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Potvin29 on May 01, 2013, 12:21:32 PM
Go Leafs Go
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AvroArrow on May 01, 2013, 03:24:24 PM
So it's misleading because it takes you more than 1 second to read the part where it tells you who is leading?

Many people will just glance at it then do something else.  Visual cues draw the eye in. You see 2 teams and a 1-0 underneath them it's natural to think the team logo that has the 1 under it is leading.

I understand the annoyance, but the words were the visual cue that caught my attention, so I was able to read it quickly and easily.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: bustaheims on May 01, 2013, 03:37:27 PM
I see where people are coming from. It would be more natural if the numbers were under the appropriate teams, but, I think the real issue is the colour of the text. It's such a pale blue that it's easy to not notice it if you're just taking a cursory glance. It should be colour that has a stronger contrast with the white background. The font, in general, is too small, as well. There's a lot more room in those boxes, why not make it a more easily readable size?

EDIT: Though, it does look better on the actual NHL site than in the image here.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 01, 2013, 04:15:17 PM
I see where people are coming from. It would be more natural if the numbers were under the appropriate teams, but, I think the real issue is the colour of the text. It's such a pale blue that it's easy to not notice it if you're just taking a cursory glance. It should be colour that has a stronger contrast with the white background. The font, in general, is too small, as well. There's a lot more room in those boxes, why not make it a more easily readable size?

EDIT: Though, it does look better on the actual NHL site than in the image here.

Your point about the text color is right on.  But -- Zee is correct, this is poor graphic designing.  The number of wins should be visually associated with the logo, because the logo is the first thing you see and the most prominent.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: AvroArrow on May 02, 2013, 08:30:45 AM
Your point about the text color is right on.  But -- Zee is correct, this is poor graphic designing.  The number of wins should be visually associated with the logo, because the logo is the first thing you see and the most prominent.

The text was the first thing I saw, and most prominent for me, so it's really down to the individual person.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on May 02, 2013, 10:47:54 PM
It's heartening to know that you guys not only share my love of the Leafs, but also my compulsive need to pick at these sorts of dumb details.  This place feels like home.
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Zee on May 10, 2013, 10:05:32 AM
I see where people are coming from. It would be more natural if the numbers were under the appropriate teams, but, I think the real issue is the colour of the text. It's such a pale blue that it's easy to not notice it if you're just taking a cursory glance. It should be colour that has a stronger contrast with the white background. The font, in general, is too small, as well. There's a lot more room in those boxes, why not make it a more easily readable size?

EDIT: Though, it does look better on the actual NHL site than in the image here.

Your point about the text color is right on.  But -- Zee is correct, this is poor graphic designing.  The number of wins should be visually associated with the logo, because the logo is the first thing you see and the most prominent.

At some point the NHL realized it was stupid looking and changed it.  Now on their site they list the games under the team:

(http://i.imgur.com/seGltMt.png)
Title: Re: Standings- position
Post by: Stickytape on May 10, 2013, 11:38:06 AM
I noticed that, too!  I should complain more often.

Have you guys noticed that the Leafs have to win FOUR out of SEVEN games in each series?  That doesn't seem fair to me.  Four divided by seven is 0.5714285714285714.  That's not even CLOSE to a nice, round number, and offends me aesthetically.  Since seven is a prime number, I think the only solution is that the Leafs should only have to win ONE of seven games to advance to the next round.