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NHL Transactions / Re: Stamkos stays in Tampa [8 years, $8.5mil AAV]
« on: June 29, 2016, 08:42:01 PM »
Out of his suggested suitors TB has the best shot at the cup maybe he just want to win.

Fair enough but...

Please tell me how the hell that is any different today than it has been for the last 6 months?

The fact is that it isn't any different, other than the fact that the Leafs are one Goalie and Auston Matthews better (not worse) than they were 6 months ago.

Tampa surely isn't any different now than it was then.

This is nothing less than an adolescent free agent masturbatory exercise on Stamkos' part. The "Oh his heart was still in Tampa" is hockey reporting BS and obfuscation. He wanted the fantasy version of free agency, turning off the video before the money shot.

He wasted everyone's time for nothing just so he could play Dorothy.

Well this ain't the Land of Oz and you're not in Kansas any more Dorothy.

Get the boy a pair of ruby skates.

Bergevin is whistling past the graveyard now.

Weber is 3 years older than Subban and at age 30, that is when the decline often starts.

Chiarelli wins this trade because without it, he would be roasted on a spit and justifiably so.

Yeah, Subban obviously wasn't being made available for a forward.

My point was simply that absent this transaction, the hockey world would be giving its undivided scorn to the man who once traded Tyler and has now traded Taylor... and lost both trades. Now Chiarelli can share it with Bergevin.

NHL Transactions / Re: Stamkos stays in Tampa [8 years, $8.5mil AAV]
« on: June 29, 2016, 05:00:26 PM »
Suddenly $8.5M is good enough - what is this a One Day Sale at the Bay? - when it was NFG for the last year?

Some things are hard to explain, as they are finding out today in Montreal and Edmonton.

Bergevin is whistling past the graveyard now.

Weber is 3 years older than Subban and at age 30, that is when the decline often starts.

Chiarelli wins this trade because without it, he would be roasted on a spit and justifiably so.

NHL Transactions / Re: Devils acquire Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson
« on: June 29, 2016, 04:54:39 PM »
Two GMs and one player went mental today.

Unbelievable and insane.

Chiarelli blew this trade just as did Bergevin in Montreal. Stamkos, well I guess he decided not to help the other players by taking less money, the same amount he was offered months ago.

Suddenly, its okay today ???

Crazy, just crazy.

General NHL News & Views / Re: Ron MacLean returning to HNIC
« on: June 27, 2016, 10:49:08 PM »
I stopped watching HNIC specifically because I didn't like Strombo. He was not a true hockey dude. I also wasn't impressed that he was a Habs fan!

At first, I didn't like MacLean when he replaced Dave Hodge, however, Ron's hockey knowledge, hockey involvement, and his professionalism, quickly turned me into one of his fans.

He wouldn't be my 1st choice as a hockey commentator, but, I can live with Kypreos.

I think Dave Hodge was one of the best there was.

As for Maclean, he's probably the best we continue to have now.

Strombo?  He went from the entertainment world, (for which he was one of the best with the show he previously hosted), to the sports world.  Quite a difference between the two genres.  Strombo excelled in the former not the latter.

I really don't know what Rogers' problem is in any of this.

They were the ones who knew Strombo's work, his approach and his on air persona and hired him because of it. Strombo delivered exactly what was expected of him.

Perhaps they should be dismissing the person who misunderstood the marketplace when Strombo was hired since that is where the fault lies.

I realize I am in the minority here in liking Healy but the fact is that in cliche yes man industry, he expressed a more independent point of view that most do. Exiled to a perch between the players benches was not the best deployment for Healy. I prefer Healy to Kelly and Nick but that is not a major point. As for John Shannon, well here is a television sports director that was dumped out of that world after years of being the angry guy in the truck only to be gifted an on air job by his friends at Rogers. Yet he remains despite these changes.

My real gripe is that once again Rogers has missed the bigger picture.

Ratings were never going to rise of fall based on the presence of Strombo -- and most certainly not based on who was chirping occasional comment from between the players benches -- and to think that moving these pieces around will cure the ratings slide is risible.

Ratings are down because Canadian hockey teams as a group are miserable, boring and only marginally watchable.

One of the first rules of economics is scarcity.

Rogers ignored that rule and provide hockey seven days, often with multiple games alight on multiple channels. When there is an overabundance of a product, particularly one of low quality, that product becomes a commodity. It is no different than when Montreal opened the Bell Centre. Suddenly seat availability soared and getting tickets ceased to be the big thing it had been when the Forum held several thousand fewer customers.

Certainly the multiple panels with different combinations of participants did not help, but to blame the personalities and not the people who dreamt up the format that management bought into, is ridiculous.

Naturally with no Canadian teams in the playoffs, ratings dropped and advertising targets were missed. Perhaps the geniuses who overpaid for the hockey rights monopoly should be called to account rather than throwing others overboard.

Based on this latest move (among others) I cannot agree with TBLeafer's assessment that the "think-tanks over at Sportsnet" are "finally starting to grow a brain.

The people who set this format up are still calling the shots.

I'm pretty sure Rychel asked for a trade out of Columbus around Christmas of last year. Maybe that helped grease the wheels a bit.

From what I have heard, it was his Dad and agent that asked for the trade!  They were unhappy with where he was slotted in their depth chart.

Tomato, tomahto.

Not really... there is a distinct difference between a player asking for a trade than their representatives asking.

Are you saying that his representation went behind his back to demand a trade? If not, there's no difference.

The difference is in the perceived character of the player.  Teams understand that agents are motivated by earning their clients top dollars, and thus, earning themselves more money.  So, the idea to request a trade may have originated from his Dad, and, his agent.

We really don't know if the trade request was directly initiated by the player in this case.  It may not have been Kerby himself who asked his Dad, and agent, to request the trade.  He may have approved of the move, but, it may not have been his idea.

Big difference IMHO.

I would agree with you in most cases however here the "agent" is the player's father so I fail to see any difference between a player request and one made by his agent.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Matthews or BUST
« on: June 25, 2016, 05:12:18 PM »
Well, I guess it depends on the size of the bust and who it's attached to. ;)

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: New Jerseys leaked
« on: June 25, 2016, 05:10:56 PM »
White jersey still looks . . . not right.

I've said all along I basically just wanted the 62/63 jerseys back:

If the new white one had the blue on the shoulders like those did I'd have been extremely happy.

I concur completely.

I remember the Wednesday night road games in the 60's when the Leafs wore those jerseys and there were simply the best.

If anyone knows where I can get one, please advise, either here or by pm. Thanks.

I was hoping for Rachel in his draft year, so I'm a fan of the deal. That being said, with how his development has progressed, not expecting much from him.
You were not alone in hoping for Rychel when he was drafted.

As best I can recall, there are rumours that the Leaf management of the day had some interest in Rychel.

I have no idea what has transpired in his career to make him available but I see it as appositive move. Harrington was going nowhere --- but at least we can now dream that Lou is making room for Subban --- and perhaps a change of scenery will put this 1st rounder's career back on track. If not, there is no real downside as there are many young blueliners like Percy who can step into that roster spot.


I'm not sure how that fuels Subban speculation. If the Ducks add Jakob Silfverberg and a couple of 1st-round picks, maybe that fuels speculation.

I don't think the speculation is with respect to Subban being part of a trade to Anaheim for Fowler.

Rather I believe the theory is that if Montreal is looking for a defence man such as Fowler, it is perhaps simply because they have traded Subban away in another transaction thereby creating the need to replace him.

General NHL News & Views / Re: Ron MacLean returning to HNIC
« on: June 24, 2016, 01:41:41 PM »

In the end the newer HNIC failed not because Strombo was too much of a departure, it's that he wasn't a departure at all and didn't really add much in the way of a fresh perspective. He definitely wasn't the kind of guy who would challenge a stupid thing said by someone on the panel.

Traditionalists might be happy with the return of McLean but the show was just as bad under him. It was just "Here, boring ex-player A, you talk for 30 seconds before boring ex-player B does the same" with everyone on the panel directly tied into the NHL establishment so nothing all that interesting or challenging was being said. If everyone on the show is either an ex-player or an "insider" who relies on league sources no boats are getting rocked. Nobody is going to say "The NHL has its head up its own butt when it comes to suspensions" or "Marc Bergevin is doing a terrible job running the Habs" or whatever. It's going to be "Well, you know, when I played for Mike Keenan and things weren't going well he'd tell us to skate harder and boy did we!" and then "Some people in the public are saying Marc Bergevin isn't doing a great job but league sources say he's doing great and he smells really nice!". The show doesn't need people with more "insider information" or experience with the game. It needs compelling personalities and people, media or ex-players or whoever, who are willing to stake out interesting positions.

I get people seeing a big change to a bad product as reflexively a reason for optimism but anyone who thinks that a major problem with the show was the non-traditional cut of the suits the host was wearing probably isn't going to be making interesting choices going forward.

Agreed... and you illustrations were spot on.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Get Andersen from Ducks
« on: June 21, 2016, 07:14:16 PM »
Andersen AKA Raycroft 4.0 AKA Andrew Raycroft the 4th. Hard for me to optimistic about this one, trading a 1st and 2nd is very far out of comprehension for me. A last place team trading a 1st and 2nd round pick? Really? I mean really? Mind blown by this one.

What's the similarity to Andrew Raycroft?  That they are both goalies who were traded?


Both highly regarded (around here you would have thought Raycroft invented the position, he was a Calder winner don'tcha know!!) but based on too small a sample size. Raycroft, if anything played more regularly that did Andersen.

Boston had already signed two goalies and Raycroft could have been had for a song, but the Leafs threw away whatever they could to get him. Similarly, now LL is saying the cost for Andersen does not matter. This time, knowing Anaheim had decided to re-sign Vatanan (sp approx.) and being fully aware that the Ducks had to move a goalie for cap and expansion deraft reasons, we again jumped in rather than be patient.

Like Raycroft, we trade then we sign long term, without any first hand experience as to whether he can shoulder 70 or so games per year.

In getting Raycroft, we decided that keeping our drafted goalie, Rask, was not good enough. This time, rather than drafting and developing a goalie we decided to trade for someone else's part-time goalie (in this respect it is more like Bernier and Toskala).

Finally, just as when Raycroft arrived as the Calder Cup laureate,  the arrival of Andersen does not come at appoint in the rebuild where he will make any difference.

The idea is not to make it so that we finish fighting for one of the top non playoff spots but to rebuild with the best young talent we can get.

Sorry, but this is not a deal I would have made and most certainly not at this price and at tis time.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Get Andersen from Ducks
« on: June 21, 2016, 07:01:53 PM »
How long does it normally take for a goalie to develop? Unless he's at the top of the draft as a blue-chipper, 2 years seems a bit brief.

Matt Murray is 21, nest-ce pas?

So it does happen.

Reimer's stats are about the same and he will be a UFA on July 1st and can be negotiated with 5 days before that.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs Get Andersen from Ducks
« on: June 21, 2016, 08:52:12 AM »
Not sure why so many are bent out of shape by this deal?

He is the #1 now, but not necessarily when this team is ready to compete. Most are saying we are years away, probably close to the 5 years, so Andersen may just be a bridge goalie (or not depending on his play).
Also, if he plays awful there is nothing to say we are stuck with him for the entire 5 years, trades are always a possibility, as proven by moving Clarkson.
I'm not sure why some are saying Andersen is too old or unproven, but then want Reimer back who is older and seemingly not as talented? No thanks, been there done that, time to move on!

This deal on its own is not going to significantly increase the pace of the rebuild. We needed a capable NHL goalie for next season, so why not go out and get one? Bernier isn't the answer, maybe Andersen is?
I don't take great joy in watching this team tank, would rather this team do a little better next year and get to watch some entertaining hockey.
The Leafs aren't going to be a playoff team next year due to this move, but likely won't finish dead last either and I'm just fine with that.

I am not so much bent out of shape as I am concerned that this is the wrong move at too high a price when it was unnecessary to do so.

I am puzzled by the history of trading for a part time goalie on a reasonably successful team with the expectation that he will be able to translate that into similar, if not better, numbers on a full time basis with a Leaf team that has an acknowledged less than average defence. Then, as usual, we sign him to a long term contract without any assurance he will achieve the forgoing.

Frankly, the numbers Andersen had last year are roughly comparable to those of James Reimer.

Reimer played behind a significantly worse defence it must be remembered. Andersen was supported by better forwards and better defence men  -- to the point where the availability of a Duck blue liner as a free agent was one most Leaf fans' wish list.

And what did we get for Reimer?

Not much; certainly not a first and a second.

It is arguable then that we would have been better off re-signing Reimer, keeping the picks and using one of them to draft a goalie prospect to develop over the next two years when we then actually need him.Finally, I see this as a departure from the otherwise consistent patient "Shanaplan" rebuild.

Those are my concerns.

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