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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier traded to Anaheim
« on: July 18, 2016, 11:54:46 AM »
Calling this a trade is really a case of putting lipstick on a pig.

I would expect they must have tried waivers first and got no takers. This is nothing more than giving Bernier away so I can only conclude they were desperate to do so.

As others have said, this was 100% a part of the original Andersen trade. It just wasn't included at that time because of Bernier's signing bonus. Anaheim needed a back-up goalie who could play at least 25-35 games because of Gibson's inexperience and Bernier fills that need very well for them. I think that Anaheim is happy to have him.

Aside from the fact that neither team has announced it as such and going with the prevailing supposition, it is still a gift. At the very least we should have gotten something (normally I would say more but really I means anything) in return.

As announced, the Andersen deal was within the realm of reasonability, still unnecessary (premature) in my opinion but so be it, but this side bar (if indeed it is part of the Andersen transaction) takes the Andersen trade out of that classification, which is to say, we way overpaid.

We are going to stumble along through next season with or without Andersen and with or without Bernier. There is no way this team makes the playoffs short of a miracle so why pay more salary for the same result?

I have not generally been critical of current management but in this instance, I believe they may an error.

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Forget about who is on the list and who is off it.

I am more concerned whether they can find 100 decent players and with the demographics, i.e., while I can personally recall the four Stanley Cups in the 1960's, I rather expect that I am decidedly in the minority in this regard ---  and how many people can identify with the accomplishments of the Leaf teams in the still earlier decades?

After all, it has been very slim pickings for the last 50 years and selecting a team with more players from pre-1967 will be less appealing to current fans no matter how more accurate that list may be.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier traded to Anaheim
« on: July 18, 2016, 11:39:48 AM »
Calling this a trade is really a case of putting lipstick on a pig.

I would expect they must have tried waivers first and got no takers. This is nothing more than giving Bernier away so I can only conclude they were desperate to do so.

This is the coda to the "let's trade for a goalie" trilogy of moves that began with Raycroft and Toskala.

It is the most immediate proof underlining my concerns regarding the acquisition of Andersen.

I hope the fourth time is the charm and not further evidence of the definition of insanity.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Matthews or BUST
« on: July 08, 2016, 09:37:37 PM »
Has Matthews demanded a trade yet?

They have to sign him first.

In the meantime, let's just hope it really is "Matthews or bust" and not a case of "Matthews and bust"

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bernier traded to Anaheim
« on: July 08, 2016, 09:35:34 PM »
I would've been perfectly content for them to roll with exactly who they already had + sign a cheap backup for Bernier (which we have to do now) and let the kids who fill the holes gain some experience. The following season, when ~30M comes off our books is when fun could be had.

I agree. I feel the trade for Andersen was premature at this point in the rebuild. What we are is a young team in the first full season of the next generation of players. As such we cannot expect to make the playoffs no matter who we have in goal.

As has been pointed out, the numbers for Bernier and Andersen are similar. Despite the fact that I am no fan of Bernier I would have stuck with the status quo.

as far as the other comment in this thread about this being a disappointing off-season and the suggestion that the Leafs have not made any stupid moves, well that is only partly true.

I am not disappointed that they largely passed on the UFA market. I understand the reason why they signed the two they did and I accept the orthodoxy that Martin's overpayment (in term as wells dollars) is a function of the UFA marketplace in early July.

As far as stupid moves, I am not sure the draft choices beyond the first round qualify as stupid but they were strange in my opinion. The drafting of the 20 year old from western Canada who had twice gone undrafted can be explained, I suppose, by the fact he had a great season. I take no issue with Woll -- in fact I hope he turns into our goalie of the future. But drafting a player under contract in the KHL with the second round pick (particularly after having traded away pick # 30 to Anaheim) when he will be unavailable for at least one year and would be singable as a UFA in any event is problematic. The continued drafting of otherwise signable older players while passing on 18 year olds is troubling.

I suppose Hunter knows what he is doing but by and large if I could sign those players without having to expend a draft pick on them, I would have done that instead.

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Very happy for Reimer... 5 years at $3.4 is a good deal for him.

So it looks like he was correct in his contract request from the Leafs.

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Dreger and Mike Johnson have both said that the Leafs are interested in Kris Russel. McKenzie specifically said that Babcock wants "veteran experience" on the blueline. Not gonna lie, I'm a lot more scared of July 1st this year than I was last year.

As am I.

I hope we go after nobody tomorrow.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Stamkos stays in Tampa [8 years, $8.5mil AAV]
« on: June 29, 2016, 09:23:32 PM »
Stamkos is like a ride at Disney World (it must be something about Florida).

People waited 5 hours for Disney World ride only have the ride break down when they reached the head of the line.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/29/people-wait-in-5-hour-line-to-ride-disneys-5-minute-frozen-ride/



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NHL Transactions / Re: Stamkos stays in Tampa [8 years, $8.5mil AAV]
« on: June 29, 2016, 09:04:00 PM »
Please tell me how the hell that is any different today than it has been for the last 6 months?

The fact is that it isn't any different, other than the fact that the Leafs are one Goalie and Auston Matthews better (not worse) than they were 6 months ago.

But, as people have mentioned, that very well could have led to a situation where between Kadri and Matthews the Leafs felt they had their top 2 centers in place. So they could have pitched Stamkos on coming in and playing the wing, something he wasn't too keen on, or the cap projection is different than it was so they didn't feel 10+ million made sense considering all the extensions they'll have to sign in a couple years and didn't offer him much more than Tampa.

Either way, you can't fault a guy for getting all the information he can before making a decision.

I have no basis to believe that the Leafs offered Stamkos the wing --- knowing full well he wanted only centre -- and I similarly have no reason to think that Leaf management is that stupid.

Now as for Kadri and Matthews as Leafs' top two centres as opposed to Stamkos and Matthews (in any order, by the way) I believe the answer is axiomatic and it does not include Kadri.

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Hands up if you're rooting for Nashville next season.

Subban/Nashville will be next years Kessel/Pittsburgh. Weber will win the Norris because he's due.

Since we are looking into the future, my crystal ball may be cloudier than yours but I see some problems with 30 year old legs and a big body defence man continuing to move at speed and be as physical as he was at say age 27, which just happens to be Subban's age.

I also see a more talented team in Nashville that had Weber as its mainstay defence man and still was unable to move to the Stanley Cup final. Then I wonder how a team in Montreal with less talent that thinks it can do so.

If Subban was the problem in Montreal (despite the denials from the same GM who said he was not shopping Subban and that Subban would be a fixture in Montreal of many years to come) then Montreal has a problem and it is not PKS.

For staters they need to keep Price healthy and then find some goal scoring. Weber is a nice addition but Subban is a hell of a subtraction.

I don't see this transactions as helping Montreal very much.

The Habs' coach and the GM are now on the clock.

Tick-tock boys. Tick-tock.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Please explain Datsyuk deal
« on: June 29, 2016, 08:49:53 PM »
Datsyuk didn't retire - at least, not officially. His official status is suspended by the team for leaving for Russia.

I thought he had signed retirement papers. If not, that's the loophole.

It's a lot less worse than the joke of Chris Pronger's contract.

Yeah funny that Pronger hasn't "officially" retired but he still somehow qualified for the HHoF.

Funnier still is the fact that despite his status as a player under contract, albeit not playing, he was able to hold down a job in the NHL league office that allowed him to make decisions affecting other players and teams.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Stamkos stays in Tampa [8 years, $8.5mil AAV]
« on: June 29, 2016, 08:42:01 PM »
Out of his suggested suitors TB has the best shot at the cup maybe he just want to win.

Fair enough but...

Please tell me how the hell that is any different today than it has been for the last 6 months?

The fact is that it isn't any different, other than the fact that the Leafs are one Goalie and Auston Matthews better (not worse) than they were 6 months ago.

Tampa surely isn't any different now than it was then.

This is nothing less than an adolescent free agent masturbatory exercise on Stamkos' part. The "Oh his heart was still in Tampa" is hockey reporting BS and obfuscation. He wanted the fantasy version of free agency, turning off the video before the money shot.

He wasted everyone's time for nothing just so he could play Dorothy.

Well this ain't the Land of Oz and you're not in Kansas any more Dorothy.

Get the boy a pair of ruby skates.

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Bergevin is whistling past the graveyard now.

Weber is 3 years older than Subban and at age 30, that is when the decline often starts.

Chiarelli wins this trade because without it, he would be roasted on a spit and justifiably so.

Yeah, Subban obviously wasn't being made available for a forward.

My point was simply that absent this transaction, the hockey world would be giving its undivided scorn to the man who once traded Tyler and has now traded Taylor... and lost both trades. Now Chiarelli can share it with Bergevin.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Stamkos stays in Tampa [8 years, $8.5mil AAV]
« on: June 29, 2016, 05:00:26 PM »
Suddenly $8.5M is good enough - what is this a One Day Sale at the Bay? - when it was NFG for the last year?

Some things are hard to explain, as they are finding out today in Montreal and Edmonton.

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