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Title: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on June 30, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
What better way to kick off the new Marlies thread than with the announcement that Dubas has re-signed Dicky Clune!

www.twitter.com/TorontoMarlies/status/880803488065835008
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
Justin Bourne appears to be leaving his video coaching gig for the Marlies to write for The Athletic.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on June 30, 2017, 12:58:35 PM
Justin Bourne appears to be leaving his video coaching gig for the Marlies to write for The Athletic.

Getting his voice out of Lou's cone of silence is a boon to the community.

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/30/marlies-re-sign-rich-clune-make-changes-in-staff/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2017, 02:34:50 PM
Not the cone of silence Max! (or Lou)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 03:25:20 PM
Development Camp Roster Announced

https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/news/maple-leafs-announce-development-camp-details/c-290240924

37 of the 57 invitees are from outside the organisation, it'll be interesting to see if anyone sticks around.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 30, 2017, 03:31:25 PM
Development Camp Roster Announced

https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/news/maple-leafs-announce-development-camp-details/c-290240924

37 of the 57 invitees are from outside the organisation, it'll be interesting to see if anyone sticks around.

www.twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/880867851241967617

More evidence that this guy doesn't even exist.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 03:42:35 PM

@ScottWheeler
The Leafs have invited two of my top undrafted prospects to development camp in Austen Keating and Linus Nyman.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on June 30, 2017, 03:46:23 PM

@ScottWheeler
The Leafs have invited two of my top undrafted prospects to development camp in Austen Keating and Linus Nyman.
This should piss of A. Matthew but make Charlie Brown and Snoopy very happy!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 30, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
Some rumblings on social media that Sheldon Keefe will be one of the candidates interviewing for the vacant Coyotes job.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2017, 07:16:33 PM
Some rumblings on social media that Sheldon Keefe will be one of the candidates interviewing for the vacant Coyotes job.

Although perhaps fittingly, one of the others is Dallas Eakins.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 05, 2017, 08:10:49 AM
Justin Holl's been re-signed a 1-year, two-way contract. Dependable right-handed defenceman from the Marlies last season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on July 05, 2017, 09:21:57 AM
Some rumblings on social media that Sheldon Keefe will be one of the candidates interviewing for the vacant Coyotes job.

Although perhaps fittingly, one of the others is Dallas Eakins.

I wonder if Eakins gets another shot.  He was a disaster in Edmonton, although I don't know if that was all his fault or just the culture of losing that was in Edmonton at the time.  Coach Eakins seemed to rub alot of the media the wrong way with his pronouncements and attitude after he got the job too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 09:57:28 AM
I miss Griffith.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/7/5/15910756/toronto-maple-leafs-marlies-roster-changes-brendan-leipsic-andrew-campbell-anotine-bibeau

Current Marlies, with more to come.
LWCRW
RychelGreeningKapanen
Aaltonen*MooreBracco*
SoshnikovBrooks*
TimashovMeuller
JohnssonGauthier+
Grundstrom*Fehr
LindbergSmith
Clune

LDRD
DermottHoll
ValievLoVerde
Nielsen
Rosen*
Borgman*

* Newbs
+ Busted

Oddly enough, the LW is a position of depth and strength on the Marlies, opposite of the Leafs' situation (until trades happen). Soshnikov is a left shot, but plays almost exclusively on the right side (shot happy), and should be on the Marlies to start the season thanks to waiver exemption and being not as good as everyone else on the right side. Kapanen might be a victim of waiver-exemption as well, so that'd inject some scoring.

Both Grundstrom, Johnsson, and Aaltonen can play RW thanks to Euro league experience. All of our Centres (so far) are lefties though, so that's not exactly ideal for the transition game if we're trucking up the ice with the easiest pass being to the backhand of at least one player. I think J.J. Piccinich gets an AHL contract (even though his rights haven't expired yet) as he really only tops out as bottom-6 AHL.

As is the case with the Leafs and the league as a whole, our LD side is overflowing, while our right side is a desert. Rosen can play RD, and Nielsen might as well shift over to take advantage of his shot, given that the defensive drop is pretty much moot with his terrible defense to begin with. Maybe Jesper Lindgren makes the trip across the Atlantic with so many other Swedes on the team to help him feel at home.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Zee on July 05, 2017, 10:52:39 AM
I miss Griffith.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/7/5/15910756/toronto-maple-leafs-marlies-roster-changes-brendan-leipsic-andrew-campbell-anotine-bibeau

Current Marlies, with more to come.
LWCRW
RychelGreeningKapanen
Aaltonen*MooreBracco*
SoshnikovBrooks*
TimashovMeuller
JohnssonGauthier+
Grundstrom*Fehr
LindbergSmith
Clune

LDRD
DermottHoll
ValievLoVerde
Nielsen
Rosen*
Borgman*

* Newbs
+ Busted

Oddly enough, the LW is a position of depth and strength on the Marlies, opposite of the Leafs' situation (until trades happen). Soshnikov is a left shot, but plays almost exclusively on the right side (shot happy), and should be on the Marlies to start the season thanks to waiver exemption and being not as good as everyone else on the right side. Kapanen might be a victim of waiver-exemption as well, so that'd inject some scoring.

Both Grundstrom, Johnsson, and Aaltonen can play RW thanks to Euro league experience. All of our Centres (so far) are lefties though, so that's not exactly ideal for the transition game if we're trucking up the ice with the easiest pass being to the backhand of at least one player. I think J.J. Piccinich gets an AHL contract (even though his rights haven't expired yet) as he really only tops out as bottom-6 AHL.

As is the case with the Leafs and the league as a whole, our LD side is overflowing, while our right side is a desert. Rosen can play RD, and Nielsen might as well shift over to take advantage of his shot, given that the defensive drop is pretty much moot with his terrible defense to begin with. Maybe Jesper Lindgren makes the trip across the Atlantic with so many other Swedes on the team to help him feel at home.

I'm real interested to see how Brooks, Grundstrom, Aaltonen and Bracco do this season.  Leafs have so many forward prospects I hope some break through.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
I'm pretty excited to see what Timashov can do with more ice time (and someone like Bracco or Johnsson to feed).

I expect we'll move on from a handful of prospects pretty soon, starting with Lindberg, Rychel, Valiev, and Soshnikov as they don't appear to fit the team going forward, but have trade not-insubstantial value.

And these guys probably aren't getting ELCs: Vesey (you had one job!), Engvall, Joshua, Piccinich, Bobylev, Chebykin, Mattinen, Middleton

Edit: Jeff posted this before I did, but I swear I didn't see it until now.
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/05/10-players-left-expendable-by-the-current-leafs-depth-chart/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on July 05, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
Good work Herminator, stop brushing with toothpaste and start brushing with paint thinner!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 05, 2017, 09:06:56 PM
Good work Herminator, stop brushing with toothpaste and start brushing with paint thinner!

If I had paint stains, that just might work.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 10, 2017, 07:44:43 AM
The Recovery: The rise, fall and redemption of the Clune brothers
https://theathletic.com/60836/2017/07/08/the-recovery-the-rise-fall-and-redemption-of-the-clune-brothers/

Must read. Maybe prepare for crying.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

Brooks is like... better Bozak. Bracco is like... not as productive Marner.

Let's see some lines... assuming Kapanen makes the jump.

Rychel - Mueller - Johnsson | Mueller should have lots of options down low or in the high slot
Greening - Brooks - Bracco | Greening adds speedy size to this line of smart playmakers
Timashov - Moore - Grundstrom | So many alley-oops from left half wall to back post
Lindberg - Aaltonen - Smith | Smith is the sniper on this line. Haha
Clune - Gauthier - Soshnikov | Sosh will shoot from wherever, so let's make sure the goalie's eyes are obstructed

Dermott - Liljegren | because this is what we all want to see
Borgman - Rosen | Free chemistry; slightly secret crosstalk too
Nielsen - LoVerde | LoVerde is, by all accounts, upper-tier AHL; should teach Nielsen defense.
Valiev - Holl | Marlies classic. Might be a tire fire.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 13, 2017, 02:30:05 PM
What a logjam!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Coco-puffs on July 13, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

Brooks is like... better Bozak. Bracco is like... not as productive Marner.

Let's see some lines... assuming Kapanen makes the jump.

Rychel - Mueller - Johnsson | Mueller should have lots of options down low or in the high slot
Greening - Brooks - Bracco | Greening adds speedy size to this line of smart playmakers
Timashov - Moore - Grundstrom | So many alley-oops from left half wall to back post
Lindberg - Aaltonen - Smith | Smith is the sniper on this line. Haha
Clune - Gauthier - Soshnikov | Sosh will shoot from wherever, so let's make sure the goalie's eyes are obstructed

Dermott - Liljegren | because this is what we all want to see
Borgman - Rosen | Free chemistry; slightly secret crosstalk too
Nielsen - LoVerde | LoVerde is, by all accounts, upper-tier AHL; should teach Nielsen defense.
Valiev - Holl | Marlies classic. Might be a tire fire.

Missing some players on AHL only deals:

JJ Piccinich
Jean Dupuy
Max Novak

Won't be surprised to see the three of them with the Solar Bears though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 02:45:57 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2017/7/13/15943658/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-jeremy-bracco-adam-brooks-prospect-profile-showdown-toronto-marlies

Brooks is like... better Bozak. Bracco is like... not as productive Marner.

Let's see some lines... assuming Kapanen makes the jump.

Rychel - Mueller - Johnsson | Mueller should have lots of options down low or in the high slot
Greening - Brooks - Bracco | Greening adds speedy size to this line of smart playmakers
Timashov - Moore - Grundstrom | So many alley-oops from left half wall to back post
Lindberg - Aaltonen - Smith | Smith is the sniper on this line. Haha
Clune - Gauthier - Soshnikov | Sosh will shoot from wherever, so let's make sure the goalie's eyes are obstructed

Dermott - Liljegren | because this is what we all want to see
Borgman - Rosen | Free chemistry; slightly secret crosstalk too
Nielsen - LoVerde | LoVerde is, by all accounts, upper-tier AHL; should teach Nielsen defense.
Valiev - Holl | Marlies classic. Might be a tire fire.

Missing some players on AHL only deals:

JJ Piccinich
Jean Dupuy
Max Novak

Won't be surprised to see the three of them with the Solar Bears though.

Oh yeah, JJ. I think he slots in actually, because the Marlies are astoundingly short on RWers with Griffith and Kapanen gone/graduated.

I also forgot to mention Marchenko, who if he is not traded or picked up on the waiver wire, will help bolster our numerically weaker RD side. Eric Fehr is another possibility, but I think he gets traded.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on July 13, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
What a logjam!

^this is well done.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on July 13, 2017, 04:14:14 PM
Whats the sitch with Leivo next year? Marlies or Leafs?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 13, 2017, 05:00:02 PM
Whats the sitch with Leivo next year? Marlies or Leafs?

He needs waivers to pass through, so he's pretty much not going to be a Marlie.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 12:10:55 PM
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/14/toronto-marlies-sign-michael-paliotta-to-ahl-contract/

Dubas adds depth to the right side defense with another reclamation project. Big, mobile defenseman with offensive instincts that weren't nurtured earlier.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
What a logjam!

^this is well done.

I've been hearing that word very frequently in Leafs media this summer.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on July 14, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
What a logjam!

^this is well done.

I've been hearing that word very frequently in Leafs media this summer.

What's the latest you've heard on Gauthier, herman?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
What's the latest you've heard on Gauthier, herman?

Last I heard from Mirtle via the Leaf Report a couple weeks ago was that Gauthier's injury is baaaaad. Horrific. Muscle torn off the bone, especially on a longer limb of a rather tall person. Surgery fixed it up but the road to recovery will push beyond training camp and probably season start.

Edit: I forgot to capitalize Gauthier's name!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on July 14, 2017, 06:32:09 PM
What's the latest you've heard on Gauthier, herman?

Last I heard from Mirtle via the Leaf Report a couple weeks ago was that gauthier's injury is baaaaad. Horrific. Muscle torn off the bone, especially on a longer limb of a rather tall person. Surgery fixed it up but the road to recovery will push beyond training camp and probably season start.
That is a real sad thing to hear, in the AZ game I attended he was a very strong presense on the ice, I believe he may have even scored (not sure now), but he had a couple of great chances in that game and was noticeable. Hopefully this is not the end, just a sidestep in his development.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 14, 2017, 11:14:00 PM
Gauthier was starting to look better just prior to his injury; I hope the best for his recovery. I don't see him being a long term fit for the Leafs either way, unfortunately, as he's on the tail end of his growth potential and he was barely a 3rd line centre for the Marlies. This injury is only going to further hold back whatever strides he was making mobility-wise in an increasingly fast-paced game.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on July 14, 2017, 11:45:15 PM
Whats the sitch with Leivo next year? Marlies or Leafs?

He needs waivers to pass through, so he's pretty much not going to be a Marlie.
Cheers. Bench warmer until the first injury up front I suspect .
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on July 21, 2017, 12:56:06 PM
Kristian Pospisil, development camp invitee and standout, has earned himself a two-way AHL contract.

Also: Alex Gudbranson has a two-way AHL deal as well.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 11:24:15 AM
Martins Dzierkals, who has aged out of the CHL, has been signed to a one-year AHL deal with the Marlies. His NHL rights expire June 1, 2019, so we've got a bit of runway to assess his fit.

He plays with a physicality that our crop of small skilled forwards normally eschews. His body might not be quite large enough yet to make full use of it, but he looks to me to be a high-end digger type of player, a la Hyman, but slightly smaller and with better hands. Would be a fun LW option on a limited minutes skilled 4th line as he could just go maximum effort every shift.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 14, 2017, 11:47:59 AM
Martins Dzierkals, who has aged out of the CHL, has been signed to a one-year AHL deal with the Marlies. His NHL rights expire June 1, 2019, so we've got a bit of runway to assess his fit.

He was one of the extra picks the Leafs ended up getting after passing on Konecny and trading down in 2015 (along with Dermott and Bracco). Had a promising D+1 year but his point totals took a hit in his D+2 season which isn't a good sign (although he did deal with some injuries).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 11:52:17 AM
He was one of the extra picks the Leafs ended up getting after passing on Konecny and trading down in 2015 (along with Dermott and Bracco). Had a promising D+1 year but his point totals took a hit in his D+2 season which isn't a good sign (although he did deal with some injuries).

Yeah, he played through a high ankle sprain and forced it for the World Juniors too. He's got that engine that Babcock goes on and on about and plays a 200-ft game with speed and skill. Thommie Bergman is also really high on him. The only knock is that he is slight of frame and generally unknown. Not having to spend an ELC on him (yet) but keeping him under team supervision and control is amazing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 14, 2017, 12:10:55 PM
Not having to spend an ELC on him (yet) but keeping him under team supervision and control is amazing.

Yup, this was part of the vision Dubas had of really creating an MLB style development program here.

Some players won't go for it because it's usually less money and not how things are traditionally done, but for Toronto who can provide facilities, coaches, food even, it's a great opportunity for all parties.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 14, 2017, 08:12:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O21QwKzb2Wg
Dzierkals highlight package.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 15, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Justin Bourne, former Marlies video coach who used to be a hockey writer and is now a contributor to the Athletic, released his first article for the website today about what he learned after two seasons with the Marlies. It's a good look at the human element that a job like his had:

Quote
There’s little doubt that at some point during my tenure with The Athletic I’ll write something hyper-specific, like 1000-plus words on the unacceptable route of a back-checking forward who ends up having less than zero impact on a non-threatening rush.

It will, in due time, get fairly granular.

And, that sort of thing is easy. What isn’t, is figuring out where to start after spending two seasons with the Maple Leafs organization and getting to know the characters, the systems and everything in between.

So for this first week what I’d like to do is paint the view from the top of the CN Tower: what I learned in my transition to working on a coaching staff, what separates the players at the fringes of the NHL and AHL, how I learned to watch the game as a coach and a look at what life is like for a buried NHL player.

https://theathletic.com/84567/2017/08/15/bourne-what-i-learned-after-two-seasons-on-the-toronto-marlies-coaching-staff/

There's going to be lots of good stuff coming from Justin in the future I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 16, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
There's going to be lots of good stuff coming from Justin in the future I'm sure.

Like the very next day!

https://theathletic.com/84966/2017/08/16/bourne-a-closer-look-at-who-makes-the-nhl-who-falls-short-and-why/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 18, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
Bourne sequels coming out like... hang on. I thought I had something for this. Ugh, this is going to bug me.

https://theathletic.com/85826/2017/08/17/bourne-what-life-is-like-for-a-former-nhler-playing-in-the-ahl/

This one is some tough insight to digest. Props to Colin Greening all day.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 23, 2017, 10:47:24 AM
A corollary to The Athletic article Coco-puffs posted in the Ranking Prospects thread (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=4576.msg301546#msg301546),

www.twitter.com/jtbourne/status/900117774420389889
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on August 25, 2017, 11:44:36 PM
Gauthier was starting to look better just prior to his injury; I hope the best for his recovery. I don't see him being a long term fit for the Leafs either way, unfortunately, as he's on the tail end of his growth potential and he was barely a 3rd line centre for the Marlies. This injury is only going to further hold back whatever strides he was making mobility-wise in an increasingly fast-paced game.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/08/24/leaf-prospect-gauthier-takes-comeback-a-step-at-a-time.html

As mentioned earlier in the off-season/playoffs by Mirtle, Gauthier's injury was horrifically bad.

Quote
His left hamstring detached. He had surgery to reattach it, and a long, gruelling summer of therapy and training — that began with the basics of learning how to walk again — was underway. He was unable to walk for six weeks while doctors waited for the hamstring to fully take hold.

He's back in skates now, but strength needs to be built back up from scratch. Maybe like Stroman, this is an opportunity for Gauthier's skating stride to be re-built from the ground up under Barb Underhill's watch.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bullfrog on August 26, 2017, 01:58:13 PM
Anytime you use the word "detached" in concert with a human body part, it can't be good. Glad he's on the road to recovery.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 02, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
https://theathletic.com/116157/2017/10/02/marlies-cuts-set-to-bolster-solar-bears-roster-more-than-ever-before/

Quote
After Monday's round of cuts, instead of returning eligible draftees to their CHL clubs, the Marlies announced they would send them to the Solar Bears. Only Korostelev, of the drafted prospects, was released and will return to the Peterborough Petes.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/10/2/16400186/toronto-marlies-training-camp-cuts-orlando-solar-bears-echl-ahl-bobylyov-korostelev

The logjam runs all the way through the organization, and the Solar Bears are being leveraged as an additional tier of development more closely tied to the big club than most affiliates.

It's very gummed up this season (didn't have to be; it is what it is right now), but there is hope on the horizon for these prospects with a healthy handful of expiring contracts on the Leafs.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: cabber24 on October 02, 2017, 04:08:49 PM
https://theathletic.com/116157/2017/10/02/marlies-cuts-set-to-bolster-solar-bears-roster-more-than-ever-before/

Quote
After Monday's round of cuts, instead of returning eligible draftees to their CHL clubs, the Marlies announced they would send them to the Solar Bears. Only Korostelev, of the drafted prospects, was released and will return to the Peterborough Petes.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2017/10/2/16400186/toronto-marlies-training-camp-cuts-orlando-solar-bears-echl-ahl-bobylyov-korostelev

The logjam runs all the way through the organization, and the Solar Bears are being leveraged as an additional tier of development more closely tied to the big club than most affiliates.

It's very gummed up this season (didn't have to be; it is what it is right now), but there is hope on the horizon for these prospects with a healthy handful of expiring contracts on the Leafs.
Bozak and JVR are still a big part of this team. I don't agree with ridding them just to make room for a few prospects. I am sure if they could have improved their D in a meaningful way by trading one they would have.

It's not the worst thing to have some NHL tier depth in system for when injuries happen. A top 9 forward or 2 goes down and the Leafs won't miss a beat with the caliber of players in their system.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Arn on October 03, 2017, 05:07:21 AM
At the same time, both the Marlies and Solar Bears should be VERY fun to watch this year.

Is it even worth having a Solar Bears thread somewhere?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 06, 2017, 08:50:24 AM
When do the Marlies start and will they be telecasting a lot of games?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2017, 05:24:52 PM
Marlies lines for their first game of the season:

Rychel-Aaltonen-Kapanen
Johnsson-Mueller-Soshnikov
Greening-Brooks-Moore
Clune-Smith-Timashov

Dermott-LoVerde
Nielsen-Holl
Valiev-Liljegren

Sparks
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 13, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/12/marlies-consider-loaning-players/

If you're wondering when Leivo would possibly see ice time with the Leafs, well, let's look at the logjam on the Marlies. Fortunately, the AHL has a built-in solution that might be amenable to the team for some of our old-prospects that probably don't really have a shot at the big club.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 16, 2017, 04:09:24 PM

fire emojis
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2017, 04:47:00 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on October 16, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 16, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.

Would he be allowed to be hired mid-season by someone else? Because that seems insane.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 16, 2017, 04:59:53 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.

Would he be allowed to be hired mid-season by someone else? Because that seems insane.

If it's for a HC gig at the NHL level I think he'd be allowed.

If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 16, 2017, 05:00:15 PM
How much is it Keefe, and how much is it the Leafs suppressing their NHL youth for the tank year, and keeping a huge backlog of NHL-ready players in the AHL?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: bustaheims on October 16, 2017, 05:03:55 PM
Gonna guess this'll probably be his last season here.

Wouldn't shock me if he doesn't last the full season.

Would he be allowed to be hired mid-season by someone else? Because that seems insane.

The Leafs would have to sign-off on it, but, it's possible. A team hiring an AHL coach from another franchise would certainly be an unusual move, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see it happen.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 16, 2017, 05:09:35 PM
If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.

In the offseason, sure, but I'm fairly certain other teams consider it a professional courtesy to not poach guys like that mid-season. I really can't remember a time where that's happened before. That's usually why teams name intern head coaches.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 16, 2017, 05:49:16 PM
If it's for a HC gig at the NHL level I think he'd be allowed.

If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.

Like CtB said that's the case when the team has an off-season to replace them and make other plans. I don't think a team would be on-board with a disruption to their AHL team as a professional courtesy while potentially improving a competitor.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on October 16, 2017, 06:26:53 PM
If it's for a HC gig at the NHL level I think he'd be allowed.

If your AHL staff or AGM's are offered one of the top jobs at the NHL level it's considered professional courtesy to let them go.

Like CtB said that's the case when the team has an off-season to replace them and make other plans. I don't think a team would be on-board with a disruption to their AHL team as a professional courtesy while potentially improving a competitor.

That's fair, I just assumed that if it was for a direct promotion, they'd let them go, but I understand where you're coming from, that makes sense.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Nik the Trik on October 16, 2017, 08:01:33 PM
That's fair, I just assumed that if it was for a direct promotion, they'd let them go, but I understand where you're coming from, that makes sense.

To be clear, I don't actually know what the deal is. Just I can't think of a time where a AHL coach switched organizations mid-year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 21, 2017, 04:59:56 PM
Couple of Liljegren gifs from this afternoons game:

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 21, 2017, 10:03:52 PM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 22, 2017, 09:09:10 AM
He looks like the real deal so far, lots of skill and composure
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 22, 2017, 10:46:54 AM
Maracin has looked good with the Marlies, definitely too good for the AHL. Perhaps he can be part of some form of trade with Bozak
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 23, 2017, 10:12:36 PM
As Jeff Veilette suggested (http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/10/12/marlies-consider-loaning-players/) earlier this month upon Pickard's arrival, Kasimir Kaskisuo has been loaned to the Chicago Wolves, AHL affiliate of the Vegas Golden Knights, who are, as you may have heard, suffering a severe goalie shortage.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: princedpw on October 23, 2017, 10:56:43 PM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on October 24, 2017, 09:13:17 AM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on October 24, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Good Analysis Herman, when do you start with The Athletic?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: RedLeaf on October 24, 2017, 11:11:55 AM
4 pts in 5 games for Liljegren, tied for second on the team behind Ben Smith (5 pts in 6 games) with Johnsson and Soshnikov. Yeah, as an 18 year old rookie in his first season in North America.

Let's see where this goes.

The fact that he’s sitting behind Ben Smith suggests we may need a little more data before we can make heady conclusions :-)

Ben Smith is a legitimate AHL weapon.

All that being said re: how cool it is that our 18 year old defenseman is near the top of our team's scoring rankings...

Nielsen was also near the top for a stretch last year (he was 20), and it's not something that really lasts unless you're an Erik Karlsson. These points are earned, but largely due to opportunity: offensive zone starts, PP time; where the coach is leveraging a strength. Defencemen assists are usually more a function of your forwards offensive capabilities, and right now, this is likely the best team of forwards Liljegren has ever played with.
Good Analysis Herman, when do you start with The Athletic?

I don’t think Herman wants anything to do with those bloodsuckers ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2017, 01:08:04 PM

I would have liked to have heard him gush about Liljgren a little more, but still some good updates on Brooks and Bracco.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 01, 2017, 01:51:28 PM
Talking up the Marlies' money savvy to entice insulation veterans:
https://theathletic.com/142913/2017/10/31/marlies-use-financial-power-to-strike-unique-balance-between-budding-prospects-ahl-veterans/

The team build on the Marlies is pretty similar to the Leafs in terms of allocation of players to development tiers (per Lou's preference): one third veterans, one third prime players, one third developing players. Neither team invests in veterans to do heavy, heavy lifting on the production side (duh), but they have one mentor (or two or three on the Marlies) for every position.

Highlighting the Marlies' veterans are Chris Mueller and Vincent LoVerde, former Calder Cup champions who both received a substantial guaranteed pay bump to play here for a stable 2 seasons with a pretty clear indication they will not be receiving an NHL promotions.

Also this tasty nugget:
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And everyone is on the same page.

“You can’t develop or reach your potential if you don’t come to the rink motivated in practice and games,” Keefe said of the balance. “If you’re not, it becomes challenging real quick to get the most out of people. A competitive environment is extremely healthy and necessary.”

Keefe credits AHL star Ben Smith, who has played on the Marlies' fourth line for the majority of this season, for still being the team's most productive forward. When Frederik Gauthier returned to the lineup, he volunteered to switch to the wing so that Adam Brooks could keep getting minutes.

Others, like Rich Clune and Colin Greening, are fine playing on the fourth line or sitting in the press box too.

That's Smith volunteering to run wing for Brooks (not Gauthier, as the grammar of that sentence implies).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Crucialness Key on November 01, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
Talking up the Marlies' money savvy to entice insulation veterans:
https://theathletic.com/142913/2017/10/31/marlies-use-financial-power-to-strike-unique-balance-between-budding-prospects-ahl-veterans/

The team build on the Marlies is pretty similar to the Leafs in terms of allocation of players to development tiers (per Lou's preference): one third veterans, one third prime players, one third developing players. Neither team invests in veterans to do heavy, heavy lifting on the production side (duh), but they have one mentor (or two or three on the Marlies) for every position.

Highlighting the Marlies' veterans are Chris Mueller and Vincent LoVerde, former Calder Cup champions who both received a substantial guaranteed pay bump to play here for a stable 2 seasons with a pretty clear indication they will not be receiving an NHL promotions.

Also this tasty nugget:
Quote
And everyone is on the same page.

“You can’t develop or reach your potential if you don’t come to the rink motivated in practice and games,” Keefe said of the balance. “If you’re not, it becomes challenging real quick to get the most out of people. A competitive environment is extremely healthy and necessary.”

Keefe credits AHL star Ben Smith, who has played on the Marlies' fourth line for the majority of this season, for still being the team's most productive forward. When Frederik Gauthier returned to the lineup, he volunteered to switch to the wing so that Adam Brooks could keep getting minutes.

Others, like Rich Clune and Colin Greening, are fine playing on the fourth line or sitting in the press box too.

That's Smith volunteering to run wing for Brooks (not Gauthier, as the grammar of that sentence implies).

Glad you clarified because it really does read like Goat moved himself to wing, which would be... ungood
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 01, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
Glad you clarified because it really does read like Goat moved himself to wing, which would be... ungood

I cross referenced announced Marlies' lineups to be sure.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 07, 2017, 03:15:57 PM
https://theathletic.com/144694/2017/11/02/wheeler-a-comprehensive-review-of-the-first-place-toronto-marlies-recent-play/ (https://theathletic.com/144694/2017/11/02/wheeler-a-comprehensive-review-of-the-first-place-toronto-marlies-recent-play/)

An excellent look at the Marlies roster/lines.  In essence, the team's best are the likes of Soshnikov, Johnson, Smith, Kapanen and Marchment, all who have upped their levels of play.  On the special teams especially the PK & etc., it's Ben Smith who leads and is considered the team's next best player after Soshnikov.

As for the defence, Lilejgren and Dermot take their spots, with both improving their defensive side.

In goal, it's Garrett Sparks all the way (best save percentage in the AHL).
Calvin Pickard has lagged somewhat from his strong start (debut).

From the writer's point of view, Soshnikov and Johnsson may well be NHL-ready (add in Kapanen who looks to have improved his speed & aggressiveness), while the defence, Dermott may have what it takes, though both Lilejgren & Dermott need a bit more time in tweaking and correcting the subtleties of their play especially Lilejgren.
 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 14, 2017, 09:05:30 PM
Dzierkals, who is on an AHL deal but hasn't seen any game action this season, has been loaned to the Solar Bears to get some work in. Keefe is pretty high on his skill set, and it'll be a matter of putting on pro-level strength and putting all those tools together. Think Soshnikov with more snarl and willingness to get into the middle of the ice (at least last year's Sosh).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 20, 2017, 09:38:15 AM

This really hasn't received much attention anywhere, but Liljegren's been out with an upper-body injury since November 4th. He's missed 6 games in that span.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on November 20, 2017, 10:10:06 AM

This really hasn't received much attention anywhere, but Liljegren's been out with an upper-body injury since November 4th. He's missed 6 games in that span.

Wait a minute, Matthews was out too, also with an upper body injury.  Coincidence? Or were they at a secret "Foundations of Future Stanley Cup winning teams" meeting?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 20, 2017, 10:57:46 AM
Wait a minute, Matthews was out too, also with an upper body injury.  Coincidence? Or were they at a secret "Foundations of Future Stanley Cup winning teams" meeting?

Low key trip to Sweden to check out all of Dahlin's water bottles. #mononucollusiosis
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 23, 2017, 09:43:39 AM
Stay calm everyone, Liljegren's back. Picked up an assist in a 5-2 win last night. These were the lines the Marlies went with:

Marchment-Aaltonen-Kapanen
Timashov-Mueller-Johnsson
Rychel-Gauthier-Greening
Moore-Smith-Clune

Dermott-Liljegren
Marincin-Holl
Nielsen-Rosen

Sparks

Aaltonen had a pretty nifty goal in the win:


Just his 3rd in 17 games though. He has 9 points on the season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 23, 2017, 10:55:31 AM
The Marlies are steamrolling their division right now, and among the top 3 teams in the league.

They have the best goal differential (+25), the second fewest goals allowed (35, while the lowest at 33 has played 4 fewer games and is -4), and the second most goals for (65, 2 behind the leaders with 67 who have both played one more game), all with a fairly inconsistent lineup. Only 5 players have played every game so far (Smith, Timashov, Greening, Rychel, Mueller).

Sparks is also playing on fire.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 23, 2017, 11:12:18 AM
Sparks leads all AHL goalies in GAA (1.56) and Sv% (0.946), and is tied for 1st in wins (9) and shutouts (2). He's the clear cut best goalie in the AHL right now.

Bibeau is also having a hell of a season for San Jose's AHL affiliate. He's only 4-3 but he has a 1.82 GAA and 0.933 Sv%.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Bullfrog on November 24, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
That's great news. I had (still have?) serious doubts about him turning into anything, but maybe he's actually got a chance.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 25, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
Timothy Liljegren gets the in-depth profile treatment
https://theathletic.com/165235/2017/11/25/timothy-liljegren-ahead-of-the-curve-on-and-off-the-ice-with-marlies/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 26, 2017, 09:32:52 PM
Marlies continuing to set fire to the league, and sit 16-4 in their first 20 games this season, thanks to (very) solid goaltending, a mobile defense corps, and scoring from all four lines.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on November 27, 2017, 11:13:50 AM
Time for Sparky to become our McBackup
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Frank E on November 27, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
That's great news. I had (still have?) serious doubts about him turning into anything, but maybe he's actually got a chance.

It seems that goalies can have a much more extended development curve, but skaters seem to top out at 22-23 years old.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 27, 2017, 01:40:36 PM
https://m.soundcloud.com/leafs-geeks/episode-72-prospect-update-with-scott-wheeler

Scott Wheeler joins LeafsGeeksPodcast to review the progress of some Marlies. He also dips into what's up with non-Marlies prospects towards the end.

Dermott is getting the Rielly treatment this season, getting a load of defensive matchups and PK-only, hence his numbers this year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 27, 2017, 02:06:16 PM
The Athletic took a deep-dive into Garret Sparks' game.
https://theathletic.com/166961/2017/11/27/behind-the-save-the-technical-side-of-toronto-marlies-starter-garret-sparks/

Very goaltender-speak heavy analysis (i.e. I like it). And you can get a pretty good glimpse at how out of depth most announcers are when trying to discuss goaltending during games.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on November 27, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2017/11/27/making-case-marlies-remaining-captainless/

The Marlies (#TeamDubas) fill me with so much hope. They have so much depth that they can't afford to name a #gudpro captain that they'd be forced to play every game. Their cycle of high quality depth coming in and out of the lineup on any given night, especially those standard AHL 3-in-3 weekends, means we usually have the freshest legs ready to go.

If the Leafs didn't have Komarov, Martin, Moore, and sometimes Bozak bogging down the lineup, I can imagine guys like Kapanen, Leivo, Soshnikov, Johnsson, Timashov rotating in and out per the team style we're facing, back to backs, etc. Or maybe keep someone like Martin in that mix for heavier nights. There's a feminine hygiene product metaphor in there somewhere.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on December 11, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
As Smith and Marchment's hot starts wane, a new wave of contributions arise.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on December 12, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
As Smith and Marchment's hot starts wane, a new wave of contributions arise.


Good for Bracco, nice goal
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: herman on December 12, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
Dzierkals and Dupuy recalled from the Solar Bears as room has opened up on the Marlies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Marlies
Post by: Highlander on December 12, 2017, 12:01:39 PM
May have something to do with the injury to Soshnikov.