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Title: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on November 30, 2011, 10:26:14 AM
We used to have a media thread. Not sure if that is around somewhere still or not but I did not see it.

This could be a place where people post links and make comments on media interviews with guys like Burke, Wilson, Nonis etc.

I just heard that Burke was on TSN Radio this morning in Toronto. Was anything said about Ryan?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on November 30, 2011, 01:40:18 PM
I just heard that Burke was on TSN Radio this morning in Toronto. Was anything said about Ryan?

It was last night 5pm. Don't have a direct link. Go back to around page 5
http://www2.tsn.ca/window/podcastcentre/#All_TSN_Podcasts&id=1

Here's Nonis interview on FAN590
http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media.jsp?content=20111130_081154_9396

Both men were asked about trading for Ryan and declined because it's tampering for them to comment.

I think the media thread is a good idea. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on November 30, 2011, 02:27:20 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

and for why he got a twitter account (paraphrased):
Burke: "... to help fix all the errors in the media"
TSN: "Let's talk about those ...."
Burke: "How long is your show? I don't think we have the time"

 :)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2011, 02:57:08 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

and for why he got a twitter account (paraphrased):
Burke: "... to help fix all the errors in the media"
TSN: "Let's talk about those ...."
Burke: "How long is your show? I don't think we have the time"

 :)

I love how Burke doesn't follow anyone on Twitter either.  "You actually have to care about someone's opinion to follow them"
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on November 30, 2011, 03:01:05 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

and for why he got a twitter account (paraphrased):
Burke: "... to help fix all the errors in the media"
TSN: "Let's talk about those ...."
Burke: "How long is your show? I don't think we have the time"

 :)

I love how Burke doesn't follow anyone on Twitter either.  "You actually have to care about someone's opinion to follow them"

I also enjoyed his line at a PC last spring when someone tried to present him with media opinion that Wilson should be fired: "tell someone who cares (about the media opinion)"  :)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 30, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

Well, except that it is a sports journalist's business.  Sometimes I wish Larry Brooks was on the Leafs beat.  He's not a great writer but he's not intimidated by blowhards either.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Tigger on November 30, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
New headline...

*Culture Of Entitlement Plagues Leaf Media Smoking Room*
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg on December 05, 2011, 08:33:56 PM
WTF is wrong with Simmons?

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2011/12/05/19071106.html
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 05, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

Well, except that it is a sports journalist's business.  Sometimes I wish Larry Brooks was on the Leafs beat.  He's not a great writer but he's not intimidated by blowhards either.

They definitely don't need to know whether they are working on one or not.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: draeko17 on December 05, 2011, 08:50:13 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

Well, except that it is a sports journalist's business.  Sometimes I wish Larry Brooks was on the Leafs beat.  He's not a great writer but he's not intimidated by blowhards either.

That's if you feel Burke is a blowhard.  Not everybody does.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on December 05, 2011, 09:59:22 PM
The media in Toronto are an embarrassment.  Both the Sun and the Star. Between the constant garbage that comes out of SunMediaCor and the whiny tirades back and forth with Rob Ford in the Star....as much as I hate Rob Ford, their editor is going out of their way to post insanely irrelevant photos and captions on every single Ford story.

Someone needs to hold the media accountable for becoming a bunch of arrogant blowhards.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: The Empire on December 05, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
WTF is wrong with Simmons?

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2011/12/05/19071106.html

he's got the Cox disease
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2011, 10:09:06 PM
The media in Toronto are an embarrassment.  Both the Sun and the Star. Between the constant garbage that comes out of SunMediaCor and the whiny tirades back and forth with Rob Ford in the Star....as much as I hate Rob Ford, their editor is going out of their way to post insanely irrelevant photos and captions on every single Ford story.

Someone needs to hold the media accountable for becoming a bunch of arrogant blowhards.

It's insane how far it's moved from a source of news reporting to tabloid garbage - and this is in regards to pretty much everything outside of maybe Christopher Hume and Carol Goar.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2011, 10:14:26 PM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

Well, except that it is a sports journalist's business.  Sometimes I wish Larry Brooks was on the Leafs beat.  He's not a great writer but he's not intimidated by blowhards either.

That's if you feel Burke is a blowhard.  Not everybody does.

Sure. I mean IMO a private company doesn't have to say anything to anybody about injuries and the like outside of their shareholders. Its their right to either give or withhold information. Just because the Leafs have tightened up some on the information they give to the public doesn't influence a smidgen of what Burke, Wilson, the staff, et al. do on a regular basis, so what's the difference?

I don't think fans have the "right" to know anything about the team outside of who's playing, and who's injured. Everything else is a cherry on top. Maybe the Leafs' brass would provide the public with more information if media people not named Jonas Siegel or James Mirtle stopped spin doctoring everything to extremes.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on December 05, 2011, 10:17:08 PM
"Already this year, Burke has tangled with many voices of consequence in this market..."

Well he's obviously not talking about himself.  ;D
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
"Already this year, Burke has tangled with many voices of consequence in this market..."

Well he's obviously not talking about himself.  ;D

Even the Kool-Aid man is thinking to himself: "Are you serious?"
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 05, 2011, 10:27:45 PM
"Already this year, Burke has tangled with many voices of consequence in this market..."

Well he's obviously not talking about himself.  ;D

By Simmons own admission.

Simmons told TSN that Burke cut Simmons off this year ....  ;D
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on December 05, 2011, 10:28:44 PM
Cox was right, you could see how much this affected the team tonight.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on December 05, 2011, 10:32:52 PM
Cox was right, you could see how much this affected the team tonight.

And Wilson was totally distracted by all this.   ::)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2011, 10:43:06 PM
Cox was right, you could see how much this affected the team tonight.

They say pride comes before the fall. Damien's due for a drop into the Grand Canyon.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: EasternOntarioLeafFan on December 06, 2011, 07:22:41 AM
Steve Simmons is so off the mark it isn't even funny. Simmons gets exactly what he deserves. The bottom line is I think Burke's approach is exactly what this media zoo needs. A little reality check...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on December 06, 2011, 07:42:27 AM
Steve Simmons is so off the mark it isn't even funny. Simmons gets exactly what he deserves. The bottom line is I think Burke's approach is exactly what this media zoo needs. A little reality check...

Exactly. They're sports reporters not investigative journalists or war time correspondents or something that, you know, actually matters.

Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has. There's no conspiracy here, and even if there was, it's not one that matters a whole lot.

These guys feel marginalized because they don't have any real power. Most fans don't care. In order for them to feel like they matter, they need those fans to care and for Burke to be told that they (the reporters) matter.

No matter how much they B*$#! and complain this will not happen. It's time they realize that most journalists could (and would probably be happy to) have their jobs. If they have such a problem with the situation they should find something else to do for a living.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 06, 2011, 07:56:57 AM
Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has.

Yeah, that's just not true. The reality is that people are so eager for accurate reporting on things that NHL teams make it a point not to disclose(precise injuries, trade rumours) that a reporter who was consistently right about those topics would see a ton of following both on twitter and at his column. The reality is that driving traffic is their job. Their job isn't to write press releases for the Leafs, I can read those if I want at the team's site.

A reporter following the team should be looking for something nobody else has and that informs us about the team otherwise why am I even reading them? I've got no interest in reading team-approved puff pieces and I can find out about the line-ups when I watch the game.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: sneakyray on December 06, 2011, 10:01:42 AM
some good ol' un-biased reporting there

you want to talk about shaping a message because of a personal vendetta.

I mean really?  your going to complain that he is stifling the flow of info the media and do it in a way that is meant to make the leafs look bad (particularly burke)

and you wonder why they don't like to talk to you
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on December 06, 2011, 10:18:22 AM
It's funny, there have been tensions between reporters and the Leafs before, but it never seemed to get this heated in the past.  I suppose it's due to the new media where you can immediately tweet something and it becomes "news".  Stuff that Cox or Simmons might tweet in the heat of the moment might not have gotten out years ago, now it causes headlines.   Fascinating to watch from the sidelines, even if it is a train wreck.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 10:31:42 AM
Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has.

Yeah, that's just not true. The reality is that people are so eager for accurate reporting on things that NHL teams make it a point not to disclose(precise injuries, trade rumours) that a reporter who was consistently right about those topics would see a ton of following both on twitter and at his column. The reality is that driving traffic is their job. Their job isn't to write press releases for the Leafs, I can read those if I want at the team's site.

A reporter following the team should be looking for something nobody else has and that informs us about the team otherwise why am I even reading them? I've got no interest in reading team-approved puff pieces and I can find out about the line-ups when I watch the game.

Red Fisher turned 85 last August. I was reading one of his recent articles the other day. He didn't write puff pieces. In fact, he just criticized the Montreal GM for the Markov contract. Unlike Strachan, he's still employed.

I think Red found a way to go about his business throughout his career without getting into the garbage Simmons & Cox have. For one, I've found his articles to be more reliable, factually correct and/or accurate. For another, he actually seems to put more effort and quality thought into what he has to say. Thirdly, I can't recall Fisher making himself a key part of the story like so many in the media seem to do today through some inflated sense of self importance. I can't recall Red ever writing something just to get a rise out of people - trolling for attention so he could feel as if he'd done his job because that's shoddy crap. I also don't recall him calling his readers sycophants, sheep, etc.

Folks in the media produce shoddy crap desperate to grab attention when they're too lazy or incapable of delivering more. They may feel as if they've done their job by boosting ratings/readership like Strachan or Berger did. But it's like the kid who cried wolf. Eventually, they're tuned out and put out to pasture because they stop providing any value.

I continue to feel that there are sports journalists/reporters like Fisher, McKenzie, Duhatschek, etc that operate differently than guys/hacks like Simmons and sometimes, Cox.

As one of the top franchises in hockey, I think there's lots of room for improvement with the media that covers this team. I don't fault the Leafs for taking exception to some of that coverage.

Simmons is a pathetic sports writer in my opinion and he'll eventually get put out to pasture like Strachan & Berger - maybe sooner than later after this recent outburst reveals to all that he has no professional relationship with the most important team in the city.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 06, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
Red Fisher turned 85 last August. I was reading one of his recent articles the other day. He didn't write puff pieces. In fact, he just criticized the Montreal GM for the Markov contract. Unlike Strachan, he's still employed.

I think Red found a way to go about his business throughout his career without getting into the garbage Simmons & Cox have. For one, I've found his articles to be more reliable, factually correct and/or accurate. For another, he actually seems to put more effort and quality thought into what he has to say. Thirdly, I can't recall Fisher making himself a key part of the story like so many in the media seem to do today through some inflated sense of self importance. I can't recall Red ever writing something just to get a rise out of people - trolling for attention so he could feel as if he'd done his job because that's shoddy crap. I also don't recall him calling his readers sycophants, sheep, etc.

We could talk for hours about how the changing nature of the news business has fundamentally altered the way a sportswriter goes about their job and, as a general, I don't think there's much room for debate. The need for immediacy and eyeballs has generated a lot of laziness and sensationalism. I can't argue that.

But the reality of the modern day media landscape is that a beat writer, which I'm assuming is a job title that doesn't really apply to Cox, Simmons or Fisher, does have a responsibility to find those scoops and drive those numbers. That is their job. I'm not advocating for it necessarily, I was fine in a world with newspapers and not twitter, but I can only King Canute that for so long.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 06, 2011, 10:55:10 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 10:58:34 AM
Red Fisher turned 85 last August. I was reading one of his recent articles the other day. He didn't write puff pieces. In fact, he just criticized the Montreal GM for the Markov contract. Unlike Strachan, he's still employed.

I think Red found a way to go about his business throughout his career without getting into the garbage Simmons & Cox have. For one, I've found his articles to be more reliable, factually correct and/or accurate. For another, he actually seems to put more effort and quality thought into what he has to say. Thirdly, I can't recall Fisher making himself a key part of the story like so many in the media seem to do today through some inflated sense of self importance. I can't recall Red ever writing something just to get a rise out of people - trolling for attention so he could feel as if he'd done his job because that's shoddy crap. I also don't recall him calling his readers sycophants, sheep, etc.

We could talk for hours about how the changing nature of the news business has fundamentally altered the way a sportswriter goes about their job and, as a general, I don't think there's much room for debate. The need for immediacy and eyeballs has generated a lot of laziness and sensationalism. I can't argue that.

But the reality of the modern day media landscape is that a beat writer, which I'm assuming is a job title that doesn't really apply to Cox, Simmons or Fisher, does have a responsibility to find those scoops and drive those numbers. That is their job. I'm not advocating for it necessarily, I was fine in a world with newspapers and not twitter, but I can only King Canute that for so long.

A guy I complimented prior to the Boston starter incident, Jonas Siegel, is a beat writer/reporter. If you look at his coverage of that story, it's pretty much bang on. No one took issue with him. He didn't get into all kinds of acrimony with Wilson either. He was smart enough to sniff the possibility out before it happened through the subtleties of what Wilson said and then report on it.

Siegel, in this 24/7 news environment, had just as much time or less as the others as he had to go on the air that afternoon/early evening. He got it right. Traikos of the National Post also got it right. So it wasn't a fluke or anything impossible. Both men, with the same opportunity as all the others, listened carefully, thought it through and then did their jobs.

And the rest who weren't up to that - including some who don't appear to attend these scrums and probably weren't there - cry foul making accusations of lying when if they'd done their jobs and listened closely & carefully and thought it through like Siegel & Traikos did, they would have got the real story right without silly acrimony.

And that isn't an exception. It's just another example. It's been a pattern with a number of these lazy or incompetent clowns for years in this town.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 11:00:22 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.

Yes but lying is ok with him.  :( ::)

"In fairness to Wilson, he did what most coaches do: He lied a little. So what? Everybody does it in sports. Its part of the foolish game. " Simmons
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on December 06, 2011, 11:01:35 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.

Ah, the Rob Ford tactic.  It's always the "majority" that is silent...as long as your viewpoint is shared by said majority.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 06, 2011, 11:07:04 AM
And the rest who weren't up to that - including some who don't appear to attend these scrums and probably weren't there - cry foul making accusations of lying when if they'd done their jobs and listened closely & carefully and thought it through like Siegel & Traikos did, they would have got the real story right without silly acrimony.

And that isn't an exception. It's just another example. It's been a pattern with a number of these lazy or incompetent clowns for years in this town.

I'm not arguing for Simmons or Cox here. I think they're wrong. I was commenting on the reality of what the media's role is here and what a beat writer has to do.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on December 06, 2011, 11:09:21 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.

Yes but lying is ok with him.  :( ::)

"In fairness to Wilson, he did what most coaches do: He lied a little. So what? Everybody does it in sports. Its part of the foolish game. " Simmons

A buddy of mine in Edmonton texts me last night and says "WTF, how is this reporters / Leafs thing headline news out here??"

I was laughing, they're even hearing about it out west.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 06, 2011, 11:17:21 AM
I love Burke's reply to the question of whether he's considering an extension for Wilson.  "None of your business."

Well, except that it is a sports journalist's business.  Sometimes I wish Larry Brooks was on the Leafs beat.  He's not a great writer but he's not intimidated by blowhards either.

Honestly, I'd be more interested in a story by a reporter that proposes whether Burke should consider an extension with a sound reasoning for why. You know, something with some critical thought behind it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.

Yes but lying is ok with him.  :( ::)

"In fairness to Wilson, he did what most coaches do: He lied a little. So what? Everybody does it in sports. Its part of the foolish game. " Simmons

A buddy of mine in Edmonton texts me last night and says "WTF, how is this reporters / Leafs thing headline news out here??"

I was laughing, they're even hearing about it out west.

One of the Vancouver papers I saw weighed in on it.

With the gloves off and after suffering some professional embarrassment for the dispute, with no relationship between themselves and the Leafs GM & coach, Cox & Simmons will be gunning for Wilson & Burke from here on out at every opportunity. Just like they did when Quinn cut them off.

Both of them suffered for that. Cox got let go from the FAN590 and had to change his ways.  It's not a fight they can really win for their papers long term - particularly with the club on the upswing.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bonsixx on December 06, 2011, 11:34:46 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.

Yes but lying is ok with him.  :( ::)

"In fairness to Wilson, he did what most coaches do: He lied a little. So what? Everybody does it in sports. Its part of the foolish game. " Simmons

A buddy of mine in Edmonton texts me last night and says "WTF, how is this reporters / Leafs thing headline news out here??"

I was laughing, they're even hearing about it out west.

One of the Vancouver papers I saw weighed in on it.

With the gloves off and after suffering some professional embarrassment for the dispute, with no relationship between themselves and the Leafs GM & coach, Cox & Simmons will be gunning for Wilson & Burke from here on out at every opportunity. Just like they did when Quinn cut them off.

Both of them suffered for that. Cox got let go from the FAN590 and had to change his ways.  It's not a fight they can really win for their papers long term - particularly with the club on the upswing.

Outside of turning every second incident into an anti-fighting stance, Cox has generally been fairly objective and mostly non-annoying over the last year or two. I have no idea about Simmons however, the guy is a clownshoe.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on December 06, 2011, 11:36:37 AM
If anyone has any doubts about the Simmons article, look at the comments underneath
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/05/burkes-becoming-an-embarrassment

It's a landslide of criticism of the author and in part, the paper. There is a concept out there even in the media business world about "bad public relations". Even newspapers don't want a lot of attention for being a lousy product. Short term, they may sell a bunch. Long term, it gets ugly.

Simmons actually claimed on 1050 that two-thirds of the responses he's heard from readers were supportive of him and his article.  Yep, two-thirds.

Yes but lying is ok with him.  :( ::)

"In fairness to Wilson, he did what most coaches do: He lied a little. So what? Everybody does it in sports. Its part of the foolish game. " Simmons

A buddy of mine in Edmonton texts me last night and says "WTF, how is this reporters / Leafs thing headline news out here??"

I was laughing, they're even hearing about it out west.

One of the Vancouver papers I saw weighed in on it.

With the gloves off and after suffering some professional embarrassment for the dispute, with no relationship between themselves and the Leafs GM & coach, Cox & Simmons will be gunning for Wilson & Burke from here on out at every opportunity. Just like they did when Quinn cut them off.

Both of them suffered for that. Cox got let go from the FAN590 and had to change his ways.  It's not a fight they can really win for their papers long term - particularly with the club on the upswing.

That's what I have a hard time understanding.  These are the same idiots who tried to pick fights with Quinn...its the same guys that had Joe Nieuwendyk banning Toronto papers from the dressing room and being quite surprised about how/what they wrote about the players/team/coaches/GM/etc. 

It's not like this is a new thing for Cox/Simmons to call Leafs fans stupid, accuse the organization of lying and being "against the media". 

No sympathy for them whatsoever.  The ironic thing is the number of "stories" they have about the Leafs will probably swell as their access to the team is cut off...because of all of their "unnamed sources" which is essentially writer lingo for "I get to make stuff up"
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: freer on December 06, 2011, 11:43:26 AM
Both the papers suck there, and both the reference reporters suck. it has been the same for 20 plus years in TO. it is never going to change. They both may get fired, but there will always be someone worse then them to replace them. It is the crappy circle that is reporters in TO
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 11:47:16 AM
Outside of turning every second incident into an anti-fighting stance, Cox has generally been fairly objective and mostly non-annoying over the last year or two.

I agree.

I'd also say that Cox's ability to express himself is well above average. Ignoring the quality of his research or opinion, he's a good writer - better than most sports writers.

But I strongly suspect that the change in his tone came from a change in Leafs management and coaches he was dealing with and more importantly, a change in what he had to do to survive.

FAN590 cutting him loose had to sting. And a lot of folks had the sort of comments for him that the Simmons article linked above experienced. It couldn't continue because he was getting tuned out.

Leafs fans, like the fans of any team, are going to have some bias and hope for the best. A few might enjoy seeing the team endlessly bashed but the majority won't. It wears thin.

So to his credit, the tone of what he published improved for his survival. From that, he got his FAN590 gig back. But when I review his twitter feed, the core of the guy is basically unchanged.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 06, 2011, 01:04:35 PM
Outside of turning every second incident into an anti-fighting stance, Cox has generally been fairly objective and mostly non-annoying over the last year or two.

I agree.

I'd also say that Cox's ability to express himself is well above average. Ignoring the quality of his research or opinion, he's a good writer - better than most sports writers.

But I strongly suspect that the change in his tone came from a change in Leafs management and coaches he was dealing with and more importantly, a change in what he had to do to survive.

FAN590 cutting him loose had to sting. And a lot of folks had the sort of comments for him that the Simmons article linked above experienced. It couldn't continue because he was getting tuned out.

Leafs fans, like the fans of any team, are going to have some bias and hope for the best. A few might enjoy seeing the team endlessly bashed but the majority won't. It wears thin.

So to his credit, the tone of what he published improved for his survival. From that, he got his FAN590 gig back. But when I review his twitter feed, the core of the guy is basically unchanged.

I agree completely.  Cox is a writer of considerable talent but his ego is even bigger and that is his Achilles' Heel.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
Here's the article by Simmons that triggered Burke cutting him off
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/01/burke-off-to-afghanistan
You cant be both busy and absent when youre another world apart. There isnt regular cell phone coverage in Kandahar. The communication isnt that easy.

Here's some of Burke's response to that:
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/07/04/burke-deeply-offended-by-columnist/
The night before the trade deadline, I made sure we had Skype contact so that I could talk to any free agents we needed to talk to, Burke said. My cell worked great on the base. We had a backup landline.

Most of the UFAs do not reside in Toronto so it shouldn't matter where one calls from.

Obviously, Simmons presumed poor communications and never checked with the Leafs on them or Burke's schedule - that he wasn't posing for pics when free agency was going down - he was on the phone a bunch of the time.

Simmons got caught inaccurately filling in some blanks and Burke held him accountable.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on December 06, 2011, 01:54:06 PM
Here's the article by Simmons that triggered Burke cutting him off
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/01/burke-off-to-afghanistan
You cant be both busy and absent when youre another world apart. There isnt regular cell phone coverage in Kandahar. The communication isnt that easy.

Here's some of Burke's response to that:
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/07/04/burke-deeply-offended-by-columnist/
The night before the trade deadline, I made sure we had Skype contact so that I could talk to any free agents we needed to talk to, Burke said. My cell worked great on the base. We had a backup landline.

Most of the UFAs do not reside in Toronto so it shouldn't matter where one calls from.

Obviously, Simmons presumed poor communications and never checked with the Leafs on them or Burke's schedule - that he wasn't posing for pics when free agency was going down - he was on the phone a bunch of the time.

Simmons got caught inaccurately filling in some blanks and Burke held him accountable.

I forgot about that article, I now remember how ridiculous it was.  He even mentioned it on his Sunday morning show "The Reporters with Dave Hodge" and I can't recall other guys backing him up on it.  Oh Steve, stirring the pot and you got your hand burned..tsk tsk.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Tigger on December 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
That tricky Burke, wasn't he out of the country back on July1 '09 too? Wonder how he dealt with it then...

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on December 06, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
Here's the article by Simmons that triggered Burke cutting him off
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/01/burke-off-to-afghanistan
You cant be both busy and absent when youre another world apart. There isnt regular cell phone coverage in Kandahar. The communication isnt that easy.

Here's some of Burke's response to that:
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/07/04/burke-deeply-offended-by-columnist/
The night before the trade deadline, I made sure we had Skype contact so that I could talk to any free agents we needed to talk to, Burke said. My cell worked great on the base. We had a backup landline.

Most of the UFAs do not reside in Toronto so it shouldn't matter where one calls from.

Obviously, Simmons presumed poor communications and never checked with the Leafs on them or Burke's schedule - that he wasn't posing for pics when free agency was going down - he was on the phone a bunch of the time.

Simmons got caught inaccurately filling in some blanks and Burke held him accountable.

It's almost like these hack reporters have degenerated into cynical misanthropes the way their articles seem to exude anger and tantrum writing. It seems like everything the Leafs do is a point of utmost contention. Either the management is there to destroy the franchise further than it already has or the Leafs exist solely to play the public as chumps.

Nik stated earlier that this is what beat writers do to survive. Well, the bias and distortion in their reporting and the heavy slant against the Leafs regardless of reality really doesn't inspire me to read their columns. It's not even hard to find examples anymore: "Burke is becoming an embarassment." Just scrolling through the comments people are just deriding Simmons like there's no tomorrow, and its only a matter of time before people move away completely to more level headed journalism and opinion pieces.

I've moved away from Cox, Simmons et al. and found a new guard of James Mirtle, Jonas Siegel and even to a lesser extent, Mike Brophy amongst a couple of others. There's many more options for Leafs coverage than in the past and sooner or later it will catch up to Simmons and Cox.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 06, 2011, 02:48:57 PM
I've moved away from Cox, Simmons et al. and found a new guard of James Mirtle, Jonas Siegel and even to a lesser extent, Mike Brophy amongst a couple of others. There's many more options for Leafs coverage than in the past and sooner or later it will catch up to Simmons and Cox.

I don't think you're alone. Far from it. Eventually, someone at the Sun is going to figure out there's a better bang for their buck to fill that space. And that will draw more clicks or ads than perpetual garbage from someone like Simmons.

I've been reading hockey writers in all 30 NHL cities for a long time. Compared to a lot of them, I think he's a bad hockey writer. The internet will eventually allow readers to see that and compare him to good Leafs blogs or even sites like this and they'll migrate accordingly. Simmons and Sun Media are not just competing with 3 other papers any more. Their piece of the revenue pie is dwindling with increased competition. Trolling for clicks can only stave off the inevitable for so long.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 07, 2011, 07:22:46 AM
Nik stated earlier that this is what beat writers do to survive.

Yeah, just to re-state this because it seems as though people have missed what I was saying by giant leaps and bounds what I said was that Beat writers need to get scoops and generate page views, which is why they need accurate information. I didn't say they need to be sensational or negative or anything of the sort.

Well, the bias and distortion in their reporting and the heavy slant against the Leafs regardless of reality really doesn't inspire me to read their columns. It's not even hard to find examples anymore: "Burke is becoming an embarassment." Just scrolling through the comments people are just deriding Simmons like there's no tomorrow, and its only a matter of time before people move away completely to more level headed journalism and opinion pieces.

I know we don't like to acknowledge this much because we're all of a particular genus(the internet savvy Leafs fan) but I think you're maybe missing that we here in cyber-land are not the be all and end all when it comes to Leafs fandom. We tend to be middle class, white collar-y types and students and die-hards which informs what we want to read and digest in terms of Leafs information. There are lots of other people with appetites for other things.

I mean, not to drive the point home too hard, but if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on December 07, 2011, 08:14:34 AM
Report about the sport, the players that are playing and what the coach/GM tells you. That's the job. It's not to ascertain exactly what injury Armstrong or Reimer has.

Yeah, that's just not true. The reality is that people are so eager for accurate reporting on things that NHL teams make it a point not to disclose(precise injuries, trade rumours) that a reporter who was consistently right about those topics would see a ton of following both on twitter and at his column. The reality is that driving traffic is their job. Their job isn't to write press releases for the Leafs, I can read those if I want at the team's site.

A reporter following the team should be looking for something nobody else has and that informs us about the team otherwise why am I even reading them? I've got no interest in reading team-approved puff pieces and I can find out about the line-ups when I watch the game.

Well evidently he's looking but has no sources. Expecting to get the scoop from the GM himself is rather hopeful IMO.

Writing a child-like article in response to not getting what you want (he feels he's being freezed-out) is, quite frankly, pathetic.

Take a page out of Dreger's book. Get some real sources. If he can't, he should report what he can. If that's the equivalent of a Leafs press report then he's not the best journalist out there and he should accept that. If the Sun decides he's not good at his job (shich he isn't) then they can hire someone who's better connected.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Andy on December 07, 2011, 08:43:49 AM
if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"

That's right and I think that's why I don't really pay attention when guys like Simmons or, say Garrioch, spout out of something. It's like a pop culture enthusiast complaining about the factual validity of a National Enquirer article.

As for Cox, he actually has the capacity to be a great writer/reporter so maybe thats why it bothers me when he delves into the immature and innacurate.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on December 07, 2011, 08:46:56 AM

I mean, not to drive the point home too hard, but if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"

What was it Burke said about the Sun a few years back?  It's only good for lining bird cages or something.  ;)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cw on December 07, 2011, 09:31:23 AM

I mean, not to drive the point home too hard, but if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"

What was it Burke said about the Sun a few years back?  It's only good for lining bird cages or something.  ;)

"The Sun has great value if you own a puppy or a parakeet" Brian Burke,  October, 2010
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Optimus Reimer on December 07, 2011, 11:35:17 AM
I have the feeling that when the Leafs win the cup, types like Simmons and Cox will be criticizing the organization for something, whether it is playing the veterans, playing the prospects or making a trade deadline deal to pick up a player or two that helped the team win the cup.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Tigger on December 07, 2011, 12:10:49 PM
I have the feeling that when the Leafs win the cup, types like Simmons and Cox will be criticizing the organization for something, whether it is playing the veterans, playing the prospects or making a trade deadline deal to pick up a player or two that helped the team win the cup.

Liars and puppies and parakeets, oh my!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on December 07, 2011, 01:47:54 PM

I mean, not to drive the point home too hard, but if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"

What was it Burke said about the Sun a few years back?  It's only good for lining bird cages or something.  ;)

"The Sun has great value if you own a puppy or a parakeet" Brian Burke,  October, 2010

That should be a tag line under all of Simmons articles.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 07, 2011, 02:00:11 PM

I mean, not to drive the point home too hard, but if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"

What was it Burke said about the Sun a few years back?  It's only good for lining bird cages or something.  ;)

"The Sun has great value if you own a puppy or a parakeet" Brian Burke,  October, 2010

I assume we're also talking about a puppy or parakeet with low standards.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Optimus Reimer on December 07, 2011, 02:38:53 PM

I mean, not to drive the point home too hard, but if I'm confronted with the fact that Simmons writes stuff that's distorted, slanted and short on factual information in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator I don't immediately think "Oh no, how will he survive at the Sun?"

What was it Burke said about the Sun a few years back?  It's only good for lining bird cages or something.  ;)

"The Sun has great value if you own a puppy or a parakeet" Brian Burke,  October, 2010

I assume we're also talking about a puppy or parakeet with low standards.

The literate puppies and parakeets refuse to read the Sun.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 12, 2011, 10:48:48 AM
A pretty open, 20+ minute interview with Burke by The Score:

http://video.thescore.com/watch/brian-burke-1-on-1

He talks about his daily life, the Leafs involvement in community service, trading with certain GMs, stopping bullying, and of course his involvement with the LGBT community and Brenden's legacy. It's also the same interview where Burke talked about the potential barn fight with Kevin Lowe.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on December 12, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
I have the feeling that when the Leafs win the cup, types like Simmons and Cox will be criticizing the organization for something, whether it is playing the veterans, playing the prospects or making a trade deadline deal to pick up a player or two that helped the team win the cup.

Something like: "ONE LOUSY STANLEY CUP WIN DOES NOT ERASE DECADES OF FAILURE.".
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on December 12, 2011, 11:38:32 AM
I have the feeling that when the Leafs win the cup, types like Simmons and Cox will be criticizing the organization for something, whether it is playing the veterans, playing the prospects or making a trade deadline deal to pick up a player or two that helped the team win the cup.

Something like: "ONE LOUSY STANLEY CUP WIN DOES NOT ERASE DECADES OF FAILURE.".

That or you can almost assure a summer full of "Leafs setting up for a let-down next year when they do the cover stories on each players home town Cup celebration. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 12, 2011, 05:44:57 PM
Kypreos just showed up at my work... I'm 15' from him right now.... Want to say Hi but for some reason I feel a bit weird about it...  :-\ 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Andy on December 12, 2011, 05:48:55 PM
Kypreos just showed up at my work... I'm 15' from him right now.... Want to say Hi but for some reason I feel a bit weird about it...  :-\

You work as a speech therapist?  ;)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 12, 2011, 06:02:52 PM
I HATE being a shy person.  :-[
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on December 12, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
I HATE being a shy person.  :-[

You don't seem to be at all shy on the boards.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 12, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
I HATE being a shy person.  :-[

You don't seem to be at all shy on the boards.

It's different in here... I'm actually in customer service and feel comfortable with it but when it comes to stuff like that I just clam up. Had I served him, I would have been fine but just going up and saying Hi? different story. I don't know why. You should  have seen me last year... I wrote about my experience in a small room with a bunch of Hall of Famers when I was invited to the after party of the Oldtimers Hockey Challenge at the York Regional police's private club. It was amazing and everything but I was nervous wreck when introducing myself and posing for pictures.  :-\   
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 13, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
Nice to see other media guys take Simmons to task when the opportunity presents itself;

simmonssteve steve simmons
In my view, Carlyle is a better coach for Kings than Sutter: Both are hard asses. One has a Stanley Cup ring as a coach.
15 minutes ago

(followed by)

SportsnetSpec Mark Spector Sports
@
@simmonssteve Carlyle wins Cup, while Sutter goes to Game 7 and loses tight game. Is that REALLY a decisive factor?
2 minutes ago
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 13, 2011, 01:26:46 PM
I HATE being a shy person.  :-[

You don't seem to be at all shy on the boards.

It's different in here... I'm actually in customer service and feel comfortable with it but when it comes to stuff like that I just clam up. Had I served him, I would have been fine but just going up and saying Hi? different story. I don't know why. You should  have seen me last year... I wrote about my experience in a small room with a bunch of Hall of Famers when I was invited to the after party of the Oldtimers Hockey Challenge at the York Regional police's private club. It was amazing and everything but I was nervous wreck when introducing myself and posing for pictures.  :-\   

You know, I have a theory about this.  You're not shy; you just have personal boundaries that you don't want others to transgress.  IMO a healthy thing.  Whereas celebrities, in their quest for fame, have intentionally let fall away any personal boundaries.  (Think Kardashians for the extreme example of this.)  And so you, as a more fastidious and self-regarding person, naturally recoil at the vulgarity that necessarily attends celebrity.

That, I argue, is a perfectly natural reaction and one that you should be proud of. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Tigger on December 13, 2011, 01:29:55 PM
Shouldn't the Sutter-Carlyle debate be framed around a picture of Pronger?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 13, 2011, 01:31:03 PM
I HATE being a shy person.  :-[

You don't seem to be at all shy on the boards.

It's different in here... I'm actually in customer service and feel comfortable with it but when it comes to stuff like that I just clam up. Had I served him, I would have been fine but just going up and saying Hi? different story. I don't know why. You should  have seen me last year... I wrote about my experience in a small room with a bunch of Hall of Famers when I was invited to the after party of the Oldtimers Hockey Challenge at the York Regional police's private club. It was amazing and everything but I was nervous wreck when introducing myself and posing for pictures.  :-\   

You know, I have a theory about this.  You're not shy; you just have personal boundaries that you don't want others to transgress.  IMO a healthy thing.  Whereas celebrities, in their quest for fame, have intentionally let fall away any personal boundaries.  (Think Kardashians for the extreme example of this.)  And so you, as a more fastidious and self-regarding person, naturally recoil at the vulgarity that necessarily attends celebrity.

That, I argue, is a perfectly natural reaction and one that you should be proud of.

Hey thanks! Yeah, part of it was that he was already being bugged by a bunch of guys. Hard to know if he was enjoying that or just playing nice. Anyway, again... thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on December 13, 2011, 01:32:59 PM
Nice to see other media guys take Simmons to task when the opportunity presents itself;

simmonssteve steve simmons
In my view, Carlyle is a better coach for Kings than Sutter: Both are hard asses. One has a Stanley Cup ring as a coach.
15 minutes ago

(followed by)

SportsnetSpec Mark Spector Sports
@
@simmonssteve Carlyle wins Cup, while Sutter goes to Game 7 and loses tight game. Is that REALLY a decisive factor?
2 minutes ago

I agree with Spector but I think the mistake Simmons makes here is one a ton of people make regarding the over-importance of one championship on someone's resume.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 13, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
I HATE being a shy person.  :-[

You don't seem to be at all shy on the boards.

It's different in here... I'm actually in customer service and feel comfortable with it but when it comes to stuff like that I just clam up. Had I served him, I would have been fine but just going up and saying Hi? different story. I don't know why. You should  have seen me last year... I wrote about my experience in a small room with a bunch of Hall of Famers when I was invited to the after party of the Oldtimers Hockey Challenge at the York Regional police's private club. It was amazing and everything but I was nervous wreck when introducing myself and posing for pictures.  :-\   

You know, I have a theory about this.  You're not shy; you just have personal boundaries that you don't want others to transgress.  IMO a healthy thing.  Whereas celebrities, in their quest for fame, have intentionally let fall away any personal boundaries.  (Think Kardashians for the extreme example of this.)  And so you, as a more fastidious and self-regarding person, naturally recoil at the vulgarity that necessarily attends celebrity.

That, I argue, is a perfectly natural reaction and one that you should be proud of.

Hey thanks! Yeah, part of it was that he was already being bugged by a bunch of guys. Hard to know if he was enjoying that or just playing nice. Anyway, again... thanks for the kind words.

Kypreos' son used to have hockey games right after mine at the rink that I played rec league at, he was always surrounded by a group of middle-aged men.

It must get old for him.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 13, 2011, 01:37:50 PM
Simmons reply;

simmonssteve steve simmons
Twitter is 140 characters. Columns average more than 4000 char. Can't be debating issues of consequence here. Just offering quick snippets.
6 minutes ago

So, Mr. Simmons, why bother tweeting your opinion if it's not an accurate representation of how you feel then? Idiot.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Sudafederov on December 15, 2011, 11:25:43 PM
A nice Burkeshot in Steve's general direction.

http://tinyurl.com/6vsdz2e

I dont pick those fights, Burke says. The media pick those fights. My relationship with the media is excellent. With certain members of the media that, in my mind, arent professional, its not very good and it never will be. I dont ever want to be on good terms with unprofessional people. And if that means we have a clash with people who work for the owners, then we have a clash. Im not going to change how I do things based on who owns the team.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Optimus Reimer on December 16, 2011, 12:15:21 PM
A nice Burkeshot in Steve's general direction.

http://tinyurl.com/6vsdz2e

I dont pick those fights, Burke says. The media pick those fights. My relationship with the media is excellent. With certain members of the media that, in my mind, arent professional, its not very good and it never will be. I dont ever want to be on good terms with unprofessional people. And if that means we have a clash with people who work for the owners, then we have a clash. Im not going to change how I do things based on who owns the team.

When will the media types realize they are not dealing with a puppet GM with no testicular fortitude? 

It would be okay if the media types reported fairly what is going on in Leaf land, whether it was critical or not of the organization or individuals within the organization, but at least be fair and accurate about it.  That would improve the rapport between the reporters and those responsible in the organization.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on December 16, 2011, 12:29:27 PM
By all accounts, Burke is more available to the media than most GMs in pro sports. The guy does all sorts of interviews each week, many longer-winded pieces including that one done by the Score (barn fight, etc) where he reveals all sorts of candid information and stories that you never hear from other execs, and everything he went through with his son, he was still available and open.

If certain members of the media have alienated the guy then they have done so out of their own stupidity and poor choices of words in print. Too bad for them.  The Sun and many of their writers past and present (Strachan, Simmons) have been despised by sports execs in this town - hockey in particular.  All they do is burn bridges and blame others for starting the fire.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Optimus Reimer on December 16, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
I live outside Ottawa and the media compared to that in Toronto is absolutely stupid.  A bunch of morons.  A couple of weeks ago, an Ottawa Sun writer, not sure who it was gave a top 5 list as to why the Senators will make the playoffs.  Sure, Ottawa has done better than a lot expected, but for them to make the playoffs, I ruptured my spleen laughing so hard.  They said the reasons were Alfreddson, Craig Anderson, their coach and I forget the other 2 reasons, I guess they weren't important.  No.  Ottawa will not make the playoffs.  There are too many better teams ahead of them. 

While you guys deal with obnoxious idiots, I have to deal with stupid idiots.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 17, 2011, 03:59:38 AM
The media in Toronto are an embarrassment.  Both the Sun and
the Star. Between the constant garbage that comes out of
SunMediaCor and the whiny tirades back and forth with Rob Ford.

in the Star....as much as I hate Rob Ford, their editor is
going out of their way to post insanely irrelevant photos and captions on every single Ford story.
 
Someone needs to hold the media accountable for becoming a bunch of arrogant blowhards.


It's insane how far it's moved from a source of news reporting to tabloid garbage - and this is in regards to
pretty much everything outside of maybe Christopher Hume and Carol Goar.


Someone once said that "the media does not report the news the way it should be reported, but rather, to sell papers".
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on May 03, 2013, 02:51:46 PM
Jay Onrait and Dan OToole to Leave TSN

http://t.co/himF4kBPpw
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: oakl0008 on May 03, 2013, 06:06:04 PM
Jay Onrait and Dan OToole to Leave TSN

http://t.co/himF4kBPpw

Thank you for this Deebo.

Woa!  :o These guys have been fixtures at TSN for ages!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 05, 2013, 03:16:11 AM
Wow, alright!  Gonna miss 'em!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: 93forever on May 05, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
If I was a Leafs media person, I would ask Chara a question that as a Leaf fan we need an answer.  Chara, what was going through your mind as Lupul was scoring a PP goal while you were sitting in the penalty box? 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rebel_1812 on May 05, 2013, 07:58:03 PM
Jay Onrait and Dan OToole to Leave TSN

http://t.co/himF4kBPpw

Thank you for this Deebo.

Woa!  :o These guys have been fixtures at TSN for ages!

Yeah, they were pretty good.  Sad to see them go.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bakeapples on May 06, 2013, 08:19:20 PM
Media on the media - HNIC nitwits

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Jack+Todd+HNIC+real+channel+changers/8340937/story.html
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 07, 2013, 09:24:34 AM
Media on the media - HNIC nitwits

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Jack+Todd+HNIC+real+channel+changers/8340937/story.html

The issue with that article is Jack Todd is fairly bias himself.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 22, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
Major new hire announcement coming this afternoon from TSN.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: mc on November 22, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Major new hire announcement coming this afternoon from TSN.


Hmmm, I wonder who this could be? Any ideas?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on November 22, 2013, 04:11:11 PM
Ron Burgundy.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 22, 2013, 04:25:57 PM

Here's the announcement from their site:

http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=437265 (http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=437265)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Leafaholic99 on November 22, 2013, 04:47:53 PM
Is this a joke?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: #1PilarFan on November 22, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
Is this a joke?
Will Ferrell's doing a media circuit as Ron Burgundy, so... yes and no, depending on what you're referring to.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Leafaholic99 on November 22, 2013, 06:35:52 PM
Is this a joke?
Will Ferrell's doing a media circuit as Ron Burgundy, so... yes and no, depending on what you're referring to.


Ah ok, makes sense now, I thought by the sounds of the TSN article that he was joining them on a permanent position.   
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 22, 2013, 06:46:32 PM
Bring back Onrait & O'Toole!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: mc on November 22, 2013, 10:22:33 PM
does ron burgundy even know what a puck is let alone what ice hockey is? he will probably hit on jennifer hedger the whole time he is there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 23, 2013, 11:19:15 AM
Bring back Onrait & O'Toole!

Please no!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on November 23, 2013, 06:21:34 PM
Onrait and O'Toole were great.  For those of you who enjoyed them, I recommend checking out their podcasts.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 24, 2013, 09:05:40 AM
Onrait and O'Toole were great in the beginning. By the end it became less and less about the scores of games and more and more about how ridiculously unfunny they could be.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on November 24, 2013, 09:15:04 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't find Will Ferrell all that funny.  And to me, taking a character from a movie and having him just say ridiculous stuff on other mediums is a pretty dumb gimmick.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 24, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't find Will Ferrell all that funny.  And to me, taking a character from a movie and having him just say ridiculous stuff on other mediums is a pretty dumb gimmick.

I agree completely. Ferrell hasn't been funny in years.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on November 24, 2013, 10:28:18 AM
Onrait and O'Toole were great in the beginning. By the end it became less and less about the scores of games and more and more about how ridiculously unfunny they could be.

Disagree, but to each their own.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 24, 2013, 12:01:30 PM
Onrait and O'Toole were great in the beginning. By the end it became less and less about the scores of games and more and more about how ridiculously unfunny they could be.

If all I wanted was to find out the scores of the games I would just check their website.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 24, 2013, 12:53:01 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't find Will Ferrell all that funny.

Funny is obviously a subjective thing but he does at least seem committed to being weird. From the funny or die stuff to recording beer ads that only play in small markets in Iowa at the very least he's not just sitting back and cashing big checks to make sequels.

You know, except now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: seahawk on November 24, 2013, 01:21:37 PM
Onrait and O'Toole were great in the beginning. By the end it became less and less about the scores of games and more and more about how ridiculously unfunny they could be.

If all I wanted was to find out the scores of the games I would just check their website.

Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on November 24, 2013, 01:26:09 PM
Onrait and O'Toole were great in the beginning. By the end it became less and less about the scores of games and more and more about how ridiculously unfunny they could be.

If all I wanted was to find out the scores of the games I would just check their website.

Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.

It's whatever TSN decides it is actually.

EDIT: And the highlights were still exactly the same.  Unless you watch Sportscentre for the bland recantation of goals, assists, win by a faceless droid.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on November 24, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.

It's not really a newscast though, it's a highlight show and if the only two available tones are boring or funny I'd go funny.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 24, 2013, 01:41:59 PM
Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.

It's still an entertainment product, and they made it more entertaining.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on November 24, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
They wouldn't be working in the U.S. and have lasted as long as they did if it wasn't bringing in viewers.  Won't be for everyone but being unique is better IMO than being bland and forgettable.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: skippy on November 24, 2013, 06:47:18 PM
Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.

It's still an entertainment product, and they made it more entertaining.

Obviously that would be subjective. To me they were awful. Just seemed to try really hard but came across as lame and forced. Mugging for the camera is not comedy.

I hope they die.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on November 24, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.

It's still an entertainment product, and they made it more entertaining.

Obviously that would be subjective.

You don't think that goes without saying?  I can't stand Jay Leno but he's lasted how many years?   Obviously.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on November 24, 2013, 07:08:14 PM
Last time I checked, Sportscenter is a sports newscast, not the Jay and Dan comedy hour. I'm fine with a few cracks here and there, but to them it was more stand-up than about the sports.

It's still an entertainment product, and they made it more entertaining.

Obviously that would be subjective. To me they were awful. Just seemed to try really hard but came across as lame and forced. Mugging for the camera is not comedy.

I hope they die.

What are you? 10 years old?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 24, 2013, 07:30:12 PM
I have no issue with the highlight show being funny...I just didn't find them funny towards the end of their time there. Like Potvin said, to each their own.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 24, 2013, 07:31:29 PM
Obviously that would be subjective. To me they were awful. Just seemed to try really hard but came across as lame and forced. Mugging for the camera is not comedy.

I hope they die.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but, you're wrong and I hate you.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: skippy on November 24, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
Obviously that would be subjective. To me they were awful. Just seemed to try really hard but came across as lame and forced. Mugging for the camera is not comedy.

I hope they die.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but, you're wrong and I hate you.

Fair enough. But you shall perish to
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: mc on April 04, 2014, 10:10:57 PM
Tim Leiweke on George Stroumboulopulus show

http://youtu.be/Jv-P305iCDs

Well worth watching
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on April 04, 2014, 11:30:17 PM
Tim Leiweke on George Stroumboulopulus show

http://youtu.be/Jv-P305iCDs

Well worth watching

I really enjoyed watching that interview. Didn't know much about Tim Leiweke before, but I think I'm a fan of his now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: mc on April 08, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
The Maple Leafs' Collapse Is A Victory For Rationality

http://deadspin.com/the-maple-leafs-collapse-is-a-victory-for-rationality-1559848856/+barryap

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The summer was spent with battle lines being drawn. On one side, bloggers like stat evangelist Tyler Dellow and the folks at Pension Plan Puppets, all but screaming that GM Dave Nonis's roster and coach Randy Carlyle's systems were set up for failure. On the other side, the Leafs themselves, contemptuously dismissive of so-called "fancy stats," and their cheerleaders in the Toronto media, like TSN's Leafs mouthpiece Darren Dreger and the Sun's Steve Simmons.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on April 08, 2014, 10:53:14 AM
It shouldn't be a 'battle' or termed a 'victory'.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Leafs71 on April 08, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
The corsi metric and the Kessel/Bozak/JVR line just isn't compatible, and never will be, I would think. The leafs need a big center who can control the play down low. We used to have a certain swede who was good at that.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on April 08, 2014, 11:17:45 AM
The corsi metric and the Kessel/Bozak/JVR line just isn't compatible, and never will be, I would think. The leafs need a big center who can control the play down low. We used to have a certain swede who was good at that.

Kessel was able to be just about a 50% possession player under Wilson.  But every single player's possession stats have fallen under Carlyle so...with a new coach I don't see why they couldn't be good in those areas.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 08, 2014, 11:20:43 AM

It's always fun when someone declares victory in a game where they make the rules.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Leafs71 on April 08, 2014, 11:29:05 AM

It's always fun when someone declares victory in a game where they make the rules.

And the fact that a month ago, the Leafs were closer to home ice than being eliminated. I don't buy this "stats catching up" argument that made the freefall inevitable... a healthy Bernier, a reversal of some bad luck, and its not hard to envision a seed above wildcard, despite all the convenient naysayers coming out of the woodwork.

 Makes you wonder what the article would have been!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on April 08, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
And the fact that a month ago, the Leafs were closer to home ice than being eliminated. I don't buy this "stats catching up" argument that made the freefall inevitable... a healthy Bernier, a reversal of some bad luck, and its not hard to envision a seed above wildcard, despite all the convenient naysayers coming out of the woodwork.

 Makes you wonder what the article would have been!

But that's the whole point I think - that the way the team was playing, they needed everything to break lucky for them to make it.  Bernier missed what - 5 games?  What bad luck did the team suffer?  I think the point is that the team had to have a high SH% to cover for the number of shots they gave up per game and the number of goals they gave up per game despite great goaltending.  It's not a matter of predicting an 8 game slide, it's a matter of predicting that this style of play will catch up to the team somehow - whether it is a stretch of the goaltending playing below .920 or the SH% dipping slightly, the way the team played could not cover for the random variances in the season of those sorts of things.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 08, 2014, 11:46:47 AM
And the fact that a month ago, the Leafs were closer to home ice than being eliminated. I don't buy this "stats catching up" argument that made the freefall inevitable... a healthy Bernier, a reversal of some bad luck, and its not hard to envision a seed above wildcard, despite all the convenient naysayers coming out of the woodwork.

 Makes you wonder what the article would have been!

Except would those things have fundamentally changed our perception of the team? We may want to say that there's a seismic difference between finishing 7th and finishing 10th but the reality is that in most cases there isn't.

The Leafs, on talent, were a team that realistically should have finished anywhere from 5th to, say, 12th. They'll finish somewhere in there on the low end. If things had broken a little more their way, fewer injuries at center and Bernier not wearing out/getting hurt at the worst possible moment, they'd have finished a little higher but they'd still be a pretty mediocre team.

So I don't know if there's a concrete lesson to take from any of that. Whatever contributed to the team's bad shot differential didn't prevent them from finishing where their talent would dictate.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Optimus Reimer on April 08, 2014, 12:00:28 PM

It's always fun when someone declares victory in a game where they make the rules.

And the fact that a month ago, the Leafs were closer to home ice than being eliminated. I don't buy this "stats catching up" argument that made the freefall inevitable... a healthy Bernier, a reversal of some bad luck, and its not hard to envision a seed above wildcard, despite all the convenient naysayers coming out of the woodwork.

 Makes you wonder what the article would have been!

It really doesn't matter because no matter what, the media would have sensationalized something anyway.  It's their job to sell papers and to get attention/discussion to a topic.  How can the media say that the collapse was due to Bernier's injury and Reimer's bad play when Reimer was only in net for a few of those games.  If Bernier was that good, the Leafs would have won a few of those games he was in.  Not only that, but if the forwards had played better, got a few more goals and the defence played better defensively, then the collapse may not have happened.  What about giving up 2 short handed goals in the same game, on the same powerplay, or most of those short handed goals during the season? 

Not everything can be attributed to Reimer's play, it is a factor, but so are many other things which led to a collapse by the entire team and not just one player.   
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Leafs71 on April 08, 2014, 12:19:45 PM
And the fact that a month ago, the Leafs were closer to home ice than being eliminated. I don't buy this "stats catching up" argument that made the freefall inevitable... a healthy Bernier, a reversal of some bad luck, and its not hard to envision a seed above wildcard, despite all the convenient naysayers coming out of the woodwork.

 Makes you wonder what the article would have been!

Except would those things have fundamentally changed our perception of the team? We may want to say that there's a seismic difference between finishing 7th and finishing 10th but the reality is that in most cases there isn't.

The Leafs, on talent, were a team that realistically should have finished anywhere from 5th to, say, 12th. They'll finish somewhere in there on the low end. If things had broken a little more their way, fewer injuries at center and Bernier not wearing out/getting hurt at the worst possible moment, they'd have finished a little higher but they'd still be a pretty mediocre team.

So I don't know if there's a concrete lesson to take from any of that. Whatever contributed to the team's bad shot differential didn't prevent them from finishing where their talent would dictate.

Agreed. But the difference from 7th to 10th is the difference between reading a "I told you so" column, and enjoying your team in a round of post season play. It might also be the difference between a significant teardown and a retune in the offseason.

I think the fact that the leafs dropped so spectacularly in so short a time to me, at least, gives me the opinion that they found a way via playing style to minimize the significance of the corsi, rather than this deterministic attitude that the team was destined to miss the playoffs and be as awful as they've shown over the last 3-4 weeks. For the majority of the season, the Leafs found a way to play competitive hockey, at least on the scoresheet.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 08, 2014, 02:25:46 PM

It's always fun when someone declares victory in a game where they make the rules.

It's like when my son gets to the top of the stairs and triumphantly yells "I won!" and I ignorantly hadn't realized we were in the middle of a get-to-the-top-death-race.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 08, 2014, 02:53:43 PM

It's always fun when someone declares victory in a game where they make the rules.

It's like when my son gets to the top of the stairs and triumphantly yells "I won!" and I ignorantly hadn't realized we were in the middle of a get-to-the-top-death-race.

 ;D

Been in a few of those.

I think that if things are blown up then it will be much worse than the media could have projected the next few years.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 08, 2014, 03:44:21 PM
I think everyting is getting blown out of proportion. The team is not as bad as it is made out to be and was not as good as it's winning streaks indicated. I recall when Randy was hired to coach, I asked myself, why are we getting a guy who was run out of the West coast and only recently.
I felt it was a bad choice then and it has proven to be a horrible choice now.
I think we are only one first line centre and one shut down defenseman away from having a real decent team.with one caveat.the right coach for the toronto market.  So please stay away from old Loaf defensemen.  Perhaps one of the two of these players are in our system now, perhaps we could make 3 changes on defense and add Marlies and let Franson, Gleason and maybe trade Gunner in  part of a deal for a decent First Line centre. In any case we do not need to blow up this team, we need to amend it, add to it and finally rid ourselves of the dead wood, Orr, McClemment etc.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 15, 2014, 03:45:16 AM
Mirtte's end-of-season Leafs report cards...

The coach

Randy Carlyle: F.

Give Carlyle credit for this much: He recognized there was a problem right from the start. Prior to the first game of the season, the veteran coach had told Bob McKenzie that he wanted his group to be more of a possession team. The problem was he was left saying it right until the end. The more Carlyle tried to correct the issue, the worse and worse in
their shot differentials, zone time and just about any other tangible area of defensive play possible became as the season wore on. One doesnt have to look much further than
the Ducks, who have rebounded marvellously without Carlyle,
to see a longstanding problem, and theres far too much of a
pattern here to chalk that all up to coincidence...


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/mirtle-maple-leafs-get-their-end-of-season-report-cards/article17956533/
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on May 06, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
TSN announced it is expanded to five national channels come this fall.  Curious to see what programming they use to fill all these channels.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: mc on May 06, 2014, 11:19:52 AM
time shift curling.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on May 06, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
My guess is they'll use a lot of stuff that is really popular internationally that hasn't really found a place in the mainstream culture here. Things like rugby, cricket, etc.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 06, 2014, 11:31:23 AM

I have to guess that a lot of the new channels will get things like ESPN stuff and B games from properties they already own the rights to.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on May 06, 2014, 11:57:39 AM

I have to guess that a lot of the new channels will get things like ESPN stuff and B games from properties they already own the rights to.

My hope is that they adjust to the fact that the Sportsnet has the NHL and they try and market to more NBA, soccer, football coverage rather than just picking up random hockey games, AHL or CHL games.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 06, 2014, 12:11:01 PM

I have to guess that a lot of the new channels will get things like ESPN stuff and B games from properties they already own the rights to.

My hope is that they adjust to the fact that the Sportsnet has the NHL and they try and market to more NBA, soccer, football coverage rather than just picking up random hockey games, AHL or CHL games.

The problem there, I'd guess, is that with leagues like that they probably would have to negotiate expanded rights deals because the NBA in particular probably wants to limit supply to push die-hards towards the League Pass option. That strikes me as less of an issue with things like the CHL, CFL and Curling.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on May 06, 2014, 12:11:33 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=451378

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More Sports and More Choice

Key programming highlights that viewers can expect to see across TSN's suite of five channels include the following:

- More live game coverage spanning leagues including NBA, MLS, NCAA and more

- More choice of games and events taking place at the same time including multiple curling sheets from Season of Champions events, multiple matches from Barclays Premier League, every game from NCAA March Madness, multiple court feeds from Gland Slam tennis events, and more

- Expanded coverage of marquee live events including the World Juniors, Grey Cup, and FIFA Women's World Cup Canada 2015

- Effective scheduling of TSN news and studio shows including broadcasting SportsCentre, Canada's most-watched sports news show, to serve multiple time zones

- NHL hockey including 26 Toronto Maple Leafs games, 52 Ottawa Senators games, as well as pre-season games (available on a regional basis), plus local hockey programming generated by production expansion at TSN Radio stations in Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Winnipeg and Edmonton

- ESPN programming featuring more of ESPN's vast package of college sports, plus ESPN news and studio shows

- New acquisitions and partnerships more marquee sports properties to be added to TSN's industry-leading lineup 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 06, 2014, 12:32:16 PM

Someone needs to have a discussion with the people at TSN as to what the word "marquee" means.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: seahawk on May 06, 2014, 01:40:47 PM
CHL games would not be an option as sportsnet has already extended their agreement through 2026.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/sportsnet-maintains-chl-rights-until-2026/

This could be good for university sport as well possibly the AHL. Their Canadian TV deal is usually year to year.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 13, 2014, 11:43:52 AM
I don't know where it's worth posting to, but advanced stats guy Tyler Dellow (@mc79hockey) has been hired by the Oilers. Congratulations to him, and I hope he still puts out thoughts on his Twitter feed. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on August 13, 2014, 11:58:29 AM
LOL...... they announced there's gonna be a statue in front of the ACC representing Leafs from all eras... Sun comments are hysterical, the sort of thing I'd expect to read here:
"Modern day one will be an orange cone"
"The same orange cone we're currently paying 7 million a season?"
"Doesn't matter, it's still gonna be moving faster than any current Leaf"

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 13, 2014, 12:34:51 PM
THN Yearbook has all CDN teams missing playoffs this season, except Habs.  Hard to argue with that.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on August 13, 2014, 03:24:08 PM
THN Yearbook has all CDN teams missing playoffs this season, except Habs.  Hard to argue with that.

And the Habs aren't a lock either.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
THN Yearbook has all CDN teams missing playoffs this season, except Habs.  Hard to argue with that.

Yup. Still kind of crazy that 6 of the 7 finished in the bottom-10 last season.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 13, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
Sorry the Loafs will surprise if Bernier and Kessel stay healthy. They finally have some folks whom can forge a good chemistry, also helps with Molten and the Freezer are gone.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rebel_1812 on August 13, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
THN Yearbook has all CDN teams missing playoffs this season, except Habs.  Hard to argue with that.

won't the edmonton dream team finally make a playoffs one of these seasons.  They sure have enough high draft picks.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on August 14, 2014, 09:43:43 AM
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@JeffBrewer1

According to @yyzsportsmedia, Paul Romanuk and Greg Millen will be doing the Leafs non-Saturday games on SN. Expect Gord Miller on TSN.

Must say I like that.  Not a Millen fan, but will be great to hear Paul Romanuk again on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on August 15, 2014, 12:24:51 PM
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@JeffBrewer1

According to @yyzsportsmedia, Paul Romanuk and Greg Millen will be doing the Leafs non-Saturday games on SN. Expect Gord Miller on TSN.

Must say I like that.  Not a Millen fan, but will be great to hear Paul Romanuk again on a consistent basis.

So SN uses Joe Bowen last year for the regional games but doesn't use him this year? That's stupid - unless they want to get away from the homerism (that I don't think is as bad as most).

Millen just makes me gag. Not a fan of Romanuk based on his Spengler Cup work but it's not like I have to listen to a Mark Lee or someone as bad as that.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 15, 2014, 01:56:57 PM
Keeping Millen and canning Bowen is a travesty.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 15, 2014, 02:02:33 PM

I think Romanuk is pretty good so I don't mind the change. I'll add to the chorus that doesn't get Millen being kept around though.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on August 28, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
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@mirtle 

Sportsnet announces hiring of Glenn Healy, Kelly Hrudey, Craig Simpson, Mike Johnson, Darren Pang, Cassie Campbell-Pascall and Leah Hextall.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Michael-scott-no-god-no.gif)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2014, 02:16:39 PM
I'd just absolutely love to see some sort of assessment or report card Sportsnet made of Healy. It really seems like nobody, and I mean nobody, likes the guy.

Nice to see Johnson and Pang get picked up. They did good work at TSN.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on August 28, 2014, 02:18:54 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Johnson become the everyday colour guy for the team. Good enough at it, actually provides some local flavour. Could do worse.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2014, 02:19:19 PM
A run-down of everybody involved with Sportsnet now:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/healy-hrudey-hextall-and-simpson-x2-biggest-names-in-nhl-broadcasting-join-all-star-sportsnet-team/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwJU5jZIQAEfeY0.png)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2014, 02:41:37 PM
Just noticed Kevin Weekes and Andi Petrillo aren't on that list. That's really too bad. Picking P.J. Stock over Weekes is insane.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 28, 2014, 03:27:57 PM
Only one woman on the entire team.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2014, 03:31:59 PM
Only one woman on the entire team.

Three, but yeah certainly not a diverse bunch there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 28, 2014, 03:39:05 PM
Only one woman on the entire team.

Three, but yeah certainly not a diverse bunch there.

I missed Simpson and Hextall.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on August 28, 2014, 04:09:29 PM
Stuck with Healy, stuck with Millen...  Stupid Sportsnet...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 28, 2014, 05:07:36 PM
Only one woman on the entire team.

Three, but yeah certainly not a diverse bunch there.

I'm surprised that Tessa Bonhomme wasn't brought in.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: seahawk on August 28, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
Only one woman on the entire team.

Unless I'm missing something, there's 2. Cassie at rinkside and Leah Hextall in studio. Either way Andi Petrillo should have been brought in.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on August 28, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Only one woman on the entire team.

Unless I'm missing something, there's 2. Cassie at rinkside and Leah Hextall in studio. Either way Andi Petrillo should have been brought in.

Christine Simpson rinkside as well.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on August 28, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
Quote
@mirtle 

Sportsnet announces hiring of Glenn Healy, Kelly Hrudey, Craig Simpson, Mike Johnson, Darren Pang, Cassie Campbell-Pascall and Leah Hextall.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Michael-scott-no-god-no.gif)

OMFG. You win the internet today.  ;D
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 28, 2014, 10:05:14 PM
Just noticed Kevin Weekes and Andi Petrillo aren't on that list. That's really too bad. Picking P.J. Stock over Weekes is insane.

1000x this. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 21, 2016, 06:22:27 AM
The Montreal Gazette's reporter Jack Todd on why Toronto is a 'haled' sports town, and what led to this...

For years, with the two franchises in different conferences, people in Montreal were relatively indifferent to the Leafs. They spent most of their energy hating Boston, and there wasnt much left for Toronto.

Around the turn of the millennium, I spent a lot of time covering the Leafs in the playoffs. The Canadiens were struggling and Pat Quinns Leafs were pretty good. I didnt mind: the blunt-spoken Quinn always gave good quote and the team was good, if not great.

So what changed? Basically this: People in high places in the Toronto media world (especially Sportsnet, TSN and the CBC) decided to stuff all the Toronto teams down our throats while ignoring, attacking or disrespecting other pro teams right across the country.


http://montrealgazette.com/sports/jack-todd-toronto-is-not-the-centre-of-canadas-sports-world
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 21, 2016, 07:04:10 AM
The Montreal Gazette's reporter Jack Todd on why Toronto is a 'haled' sports town, and what led to this...

For years, with the two franchises in different conferences, people in Montreal were relatively indifferent to the Leafs. They spent most of their energy hating Boston, and there wasnt much left for Toronto.

Around the turn of the millennium, I spent a lot of time covering the Leafs in the playoffs. The Canadiens were struggling and Pat Quinns Leafs were pretty good. I didnt mind: the blunt-spoken Quinn always gave good quote and the team was good, if not great.

So what changed? Basically this: People in high places in the Toronto media world (especially Sportsnet, TSN and the CBC) decided to stuff all the Toronto teams down our throats while ignoring, attacking or disrespecting other pro teams right across the country.


http://montrealgazette.com/sports/jack-todd-toronto-is-not-the-centre-of-canadas-sports-world


A guy in the comments section nailed it.

"Jim Hughson hates the Leafs - like, despises them. Craig Simpson hates them so much, he refused to have anything to do with them, as a player. Those two are employed for that very reason. Cherry went on an anti-JVR rant after the Emelin hit. The call on both hits was also remarkably biased in favor of the Canadiens. WIth the Martin hit, they claimed it was late by slowing the video down to 1/10th speed and then counting steamboats. In real time, it was less than a half second after the puck left his stick. With the Emelin hit, they wiped it aside as a non-issue, before Cherry ranted in favor of it. Not sure what you're talking about with any of these points. Most of what you wrote is just blatantly untrue. Maybe get your hearing checked or just take off the bleu, blanc et rouge blinders."
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Post by: Nik the Trik on November 21, 2016, 07:27:40 AM

I'm sorry but what is the point of posting that article? It has nothing to do with the Maple Leafs and is just a thinly updated sort of piece we used to read all the time about why the Leafs were always the National broadcast on Saturday nights even when they weren't very good. It's a cheap and transparent attempt to gin up outrage and clicks and I really think we should be savvier about these things than by pretending it's anything other than a wannabe hot take designed to rile people up.

That said, only slightly less ludicrous is the idea that the blandest sportscasters in the world are motivated by "hate" for any of the billion dollar entertainment conglomerates they cover. I especially like the idea that Craig Simpson's decision 30 years ago to not play for the Ballard-era Maple Leafs is being used not as evidence of remarkably good judgment on the part of a teenager but instead is proof of his lifelong vendetta towards an organization that's changed ownership/stadium/uniforms umpteen times since then.

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Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 21, 2016, 08:08:29 AM
Jack Todd also believes that the league rigged the draft lottery so Matthews would come here. So, yeah, I don't actually think it's unfair to call the guy a lunatic.
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Post by: Bill_Berg on November 21, 2016, 09:28:29 AM
Meh, inferiority complex.
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Post by: Dappleganger on November 21, 2016, 10:10:15 AM
Thanks for posting the article. I now know never to read another Jack Todd article.
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Post by: Deebo on November 23, 2016, 11:40:17 AM
James Mirtle is leaving the Globe and joining a new start up site called "The Athletic"
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Post by: herman on November 23, 2016, 11:47:04 AM
James Mirtle is leaving the Globe and joining a new start up site called "The Atheltic"

https://theathletic.com/toronto/

They have decent content and are currently staffed by Toronto sports writers that I don't despise. Mirtle will be the Editor-in-Chief for the Toronto chapter.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 23, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
They have decent content and are currently staffed by Toronto sports writers that I don't despise. Mirtle will be the Editor-in-Chief for the Toronto chapter.

They've basically become the home of talented Toronto-based sports writers who have been let go at their previous outlets: Eric Koreen, John Lott, David Alter, Sean Fitz-Gerald. It's a subscription-based model but given the people involved it's probably worth the money (I think it's like $3-4 a month).
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Post by: Nik the Trik on November 23, 2016, 01:59:55 PM
It's a subscription-based model but given the people involved it's probably worth the money.

Sadly, that's probably on the epitaph of any number of web ventures over the years.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 23, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
James Mirtle is leaving the Globe and joining a new start up site called "The Atheltic"

That's an unfortunate misspelling...must be a legal thing.
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Post by: Highlander on November 23, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
Good luck for Mirtle, I like his insights a great deal. Hopefully Cathel will write more about the Leafs, I really love his thining .  A true sports genius. 
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 25, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
I don't know if anyone here gets THN in hard copy.  I do, but not so much for the writing (Ken Campbell, ugh) but for the design/layout/artwork.  I don't know who their creative team is, but the visual impact of the magazine is miles ahead of the writing.  The latest issue just landed in my mailbox today, and the cover is really quite good -- a drawing of McDavid and Matthews comic-superhero style.  (They tout them as #1 & #2 on their list of 100 People of Power & Influence ... hmmm.)

Anyway, just thought I'd call this out.  I've been impressed for some time by their type treatments & page layout, often very clever while not being fussy.
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Post by: herman on December 08, 2016, 10:03:57 AM
I am really really excited about this, and tempted to fork over the money:
http://www.tsn.ca/han-hopes-to-challenge-conventional-thinking-in-coaching-ranks-1.623971

You might remember Jack Han (@ml_han on Twitter) from this clip about the Leafs that Carlton posted earlier this year:
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Those videos have opened doors for Han to communicate directly with those he needs to deal with open-minded, elite-level coaches looking for every edge possible. NHL, KHL, CHL, NCAA, there has been interest in the clips, said Han, whose marketing background and video experience served him well in these short, snappy, insightful items. I've tried to make them related to winning.

Han's goal is to join a professional coaching staff next season that is prepared to challenge conventional thinking. He said there are currently two intriguing possibilities, one with an ECHL team and another alongside an AHL head coach on an NHL-affiliated minor-league team. Han is open to do some part-time consulting work this season, and may do that with the aforementioned teams, but what he really wants for next season is to, as he put it, Have some skin in the game.

Some of the coaches Han has had dialogue with told him they like how he frames his use of analytics in coaching: You have to find a way to optimize what the coaches are already doing. Coaching time is so valuable and there's only so much you can do. I want to use [analytics] as a teaching tool and an efficiency tool, not necessarily what it's being used as or perceived as only an evaluation tool.

He has signed on with The Athletic TO as their (hockey) systems analyst, which means we'll be seeing more of his videos as they pertain to the Leafs. He is tracking some of the stats that don't usually make it to the box score.

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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 08, 2016, 11:53:49 AM
Resist the temptation my friend. The internet was created specifically to force creators to give away their work for nothing. Don't fight destiny.
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Post by: Coco-puffs on December 08, 2016, 12:09:04 PM
Resist the temptation my friend. The internet was created specifically to force creators to give away their work for nothing. Don't fight destiny.

Don't be fooled.  You think it's "free", but creators are still trying to make a buck by bombarding you with ads. 

Plus that's why there's so much CRAP on the internet. Click-bait garbage, fake news, outright falsehoods being spread. 

Not that the information we got prior to the internet wasn't biased or filtered either.  I guess you win some and you lose some.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 08, 2016, 04:37:03 PM
www.twitter.com/blogesalming/status/806962005202571264
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Post by: disco on December 18, 2016, 11:15:26 AM

Aboat the time he stood out in the cold trying to complete his Esso Powerplay stacks!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4083/5189156562_c4eb0a78d0_b.jpg)

40 years later and the Esso at Don Mills and Shepherd still the same.
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Post by: McGarnagle on December 18, 2016, 11:21:10 AM
Aboat the time he stood out in the cold trying to complete his Esso Powerplay stacks!

The quintessential convenient Canadian, Mike Myers.
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Post by: hrundi99 on December 19, 2016, 12:51:54 AM
Aboat the time he stood out in the cold trying to complete his Esso Powerplay stacks!

The quintessential convenient Canadian, Mike Myers.

It seems the Tall-Poppy Syndrome is getting as strong in Canada as it is in Australia...
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Post by: Nik the Trik on December 24, 2016, 12:36:28 AM

It's really a shame how it went from the 24/7 kind of neat fly on the wall documentary to this current All-Access creepy propaganda.

Still, the bit about Connor Brown was heartwarming I suppose.
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 24, 2016, 01:40:19 AM
I think under Lou we've been so starved of this type of content that it's good to just have something.

I've watched both episodes so far that were edited down to just the Leafs segments and they've been decent.

I have even more love for Downtown Connor Brown after watching that, I hope they continue using him on the PP.

Also, if anyone missed it, the following link is a short film titled "Christmas Essay" by Ron McLean and Tim Thompson for Hometown Hockey, it's outstanding.

http://www.hometownhockey.com/news/christmas-essay/
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Post by: Nik the Trik on December 24, 2016, 01:58:05 AM

I'm just going to have a slightly harder time rooting for the Leafs now that I know Brendan Shanahan uses phrases like "sweat equity".
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Post by: disco on December 27, 2016, 04:49:16 PM
Listening to the FAN a bit today. Tier 3 hosts during the Christmas holidays... just chatting about who you could move to get a defenseman. As the Taylor Hall for Ekman-Larsson trade indicated, the market for top-four defenseman is very difficult. Guys like JVR and TyBo are nice pieces but the most they could garner is perhaps a defensive prospect that MAY turn into a top-four defenseman in a few years. Not a bad move but they may as well just draft D and hang on to the vets in the meantime.

A few callers were a bit 'frustrated' with multiple blown leads and I thought, dude, chill out. It's year two of a serious, to the bone rebuild and they're arguably ahead of schedule. Scoring goals with a legion of guys in their early-twenties. There are prospects being developed right now and the Leafs have plenty of picks in the next two years. I'm guessing they'll pick more than their share of defensemen in the hopes of hitting pay dirt with a top-four or even top-two prospect.

So again, draft and develop. Draft and develop. What we're probably looking at for the next few years and that's great. I haven't had this much hope and/or fun in years.
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 27, 2016, 05:18:14 PM
Listening to the FAN a bit today. Tier 3 hosts during the Christmas holidays... just chatting about who you could move to get a defenseman. As the Taylor Hall for Ekman-Larsson trade indicated, the market for top-four defenseman is very difficult. Guys like JVR and TyBo are nice pieces but the most they could garner is perhaps a defensive prospect that MAY turn into a top-four defenseman in a few years. Not a bad move but they may as well just draft D and hang on to the vets in the meantime.

A few callers were a bit 'frustrated' with multiple blown leads and I thought, dude, chill out. It's year two of a serious, to the bone rebuild and they're arguably ahead of schedule. Scoring goals with a legion of guys in their early-twenties. There are prospects being developed right now and the Leafs have plenty of picks in the next two years. I'm guessing they'll pick more than their share of defensemen in the hopes of hitting pay dirt with a top-four or even top-two prospect.

So again, draft and develop. Draft and develop. What we're probably looking at for the next few years and that's great. I haven't had this much hope and/or fun in years.

Oilers fans wish.  ;) ;D

I think when you draft players of the calibre the Leafs have over the past 4/5 years then you have to consider that your best chance to win is when those high impact rookies are on their ELC's.

I'm not saying trade the farm, but they do need to plug the holes in the lineup if they can without compromising the overall rebuild.

Honestly, I think the Leafs are going to have a top 5-10 second half, which would be helped even by strengthening the 4-6 spots on D.
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Post by: disco on January 02, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
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Post by: Zee on January 03, 2017, 08:33:00 AM
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HO-LEEEEE-MACKINAW THE KID'S ON FIRE!!!

I totally forgot about Howard Berger.
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Post by: herman on January 13, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
www.twitter.com/mirtle/status/819923853115801601

Compelling! He's staying on PPP as well as interning at G&M, so it sounds like he'll be a periodic contributor (likely on the prospects side of the coverage) alongside the more hidden editing.
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Post by: Bender on January 13, 2017, 06:31:10 PM
I'm getting really tempted to subscribe. The majority of the articles I'm reading now are from the athletic

Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk

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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2017, 06:41:37 PM
I'm getting really tempted to subscribe. The majority of the articles I'm reading now are from the athletic

Sent from my SM-G935W8 using Tapatalk



There's a sale on subscriptions today.
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Post by: herman on January 19, 2017, 12:12:03 PM
I lol'd

www.twitter.com/TLNdc/status/822126338714832896
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Post by: disco on January 19, 2017, 03:42:09 PM
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Post by: herman on January 23, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
I haven't been following mainstream sports media too closely the past couple of years, but someone somewhere has started a push to elevate the conversation.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/i-adapted-and-now-i-love-it-nazem-kadri-forays-into-the-dirty-areas-and-emerges-as-a-goal-scorer

This is a PostMedia article referencing Corsica shot distance metrics and HockeyViz heat maps. WHAT IS HAPPENING?
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Post by: nutman on January 23, 2017, 02:30:58 PM
Way to many stats.. people are getting way to deep into the inner works of the sport. I think it takes away from the game, so when I read any thing about a game and it goes deep into stats, I just drop it and move on. I have been watching for over 50 yrs, and I do know the game and how it works, but one thing I don't need is people taking apart every play right down to every second of every move.
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 23, 2017, 02:43:49 PM
Way to many stats.. people are getting way to deep into the inner works of the sport. I think it takes away from the game, so when I read any thing about a game and it goes deep into stats, I just drop it and move on. I have been watching for over 50 yrs, and I do know the game and how it works, but one thing I don't need is people taking apart every play right down to every second of every move.

That's fine, this is sport, not something really important, so people can enjoy it at whatever level they want. 

I'm kind of with you, actually, but not because I have anything against more complex stats.  I just think the ones being discussed so far don't really explain the game well.  In the future they'll get it.
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Post by: Nik the Trik on January 23, 2017, 03:12:58 PM

I too hate information that challenges my assumptions.
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Post by: Zee on January 23, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
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Post by: Highlander on January 23, 2017, 06:25:07 PM
I hate when my belief systems are challenged by the truth. But I am with Nutman on this one.  A little stats goes a long way. I just love the game and now its better than ever, so much faster, so many great changes to speed up the game.
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Post by: nutman on January 24, 2017, 11:31:20 AM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.


But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
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Post by: leafsjunkie on January 24, 2017, 11:44:48 AM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.


But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Like you saw the Leafs making the playoffs every year, for the last decade? Just sayin'
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Post by: Peter D. on January 24, 2017, 11:49:26 AM
I'm actually with nutman on this one. 

Advanced stats suck some charm out of sport.  Especially in baseball. 
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Post by: louisstamos on January 24, 2017, 12:00:14 PM
That's fine, this is sport, not something really important, so people can enjoy it at whatever level they want. 

Exactly that.  The thing is with advanced stats (in every sport, not necessarily just hockey), you know when it comes to management and behind the scenes - teams keep track of all those things, and keep personnel to monitor those exact things.  Thus, fans who like numbers like to look at those things as well, as it gets them closer to the game/behind the scenes aspects of the game.  I myself, being a numbers nerd, really started getting into raw stats and stuff by getting into Fantasy Hockey, and started getting into advanced stats after that.  Hilariously enough, I really got deeper into advanced stats after the David Clarkson signing backfired, because I thought it was a good signing at the time based on his "intangibles" (grit, leadership, etc), while most of the AS community did not like the signing, and in the end he ended up being awful.  At that point, I was like "maybe these guys are really onto something."

But yeah, if you want to watch the game and not think about anything beyond basic numbers (goals & assists), that's fine.  If you want to dwelve into the effectiveness of players based on their advanced numbers, that's fine too.  There's no need for one to poo-poo the other for any reason.  If anything, it makes for more interesting debates (i.e: the eye test vs analytics debate over Jake Gardiner for years)
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 24, 2017, 12:23:25 PM
That's fine, this is sport, not something really important, so people can enjoy it at whatever level they want. 

Exactly that.  The thing is with advanced stats (in every sport, not necessarily just hockey), you know when it comes to management and behind the scenes - teams keep track of all those things, and keep personnel to monitor those exact things.  Thus, fans who like numbers like to look at those things as well, as it gets them closer to the game/behind the scenes aspects of the game.  I myself, being a numbers nerd, really started getting into raw stats and stuff by getting into Fantasy Hockey, and started getting into advanced stats after that.  Hilariously enough, I really got deeper into advanced stats after the David Clarkson signing backfired, because I thought it was a good signing at the time based on his "intangibles" (grit, leadership, etc), while most of the AS community did not like the signing, and in the end he ended up being awful.  At that point, I was like "maybe these guys are really onto something."

But yeah, if you want to watch the game and not think about anything beyond basic numbers (goals & assists), that's fine.  If you want to dwelve into the effectiveness of players based on their advanced numbers, that's fine too.  There's no need for one to poo-poo the other for any reason.  If anything, it makes for more interesting debates (i.e: the eye test vs analytics debate over Jake Gardiner for years)

Good post, thanks.
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Post by: Bullfrog on January 24, 2017, 12:23:41 PM
I'm actually with nutman on this one. 

Advanced stats suck some charm out of sport.  Especially in baseball.

Advanced stats are interesting when you want to dive into things a bit closer and objectively. But I agree, they can be a bore when they're constantly used.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on January 24, 2017, 12:40:28 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.


But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Well to answer your question, yes I can see game by game good things the Leafs are doing both individually and collectively as a team, but I don't watch the other 29 teams in the NHL on a regular basis so the advanced stats can help when comparing the Leafs overall stats to other teams.   If I see Leafs and "Team X"* have the same number of points, but the advanced stats tell me the Leafs are actually winning while playing the right way, but "Team X" is sort of flukey and will come back down to earth, then that fills my heart with additional glee.

* - Team X may be one of Montreal, Ottawa or Vancouver for additional joy
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 24, 2017, 12:51:14 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.


But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?
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Post by: Zee on January 24, 2017, 01:05:58 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.


But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?

Damn.  Touch my man.
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Post by: bustaheims on January 24, 2017, 01:08:51 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.

But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?

It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.
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Post by: louisstamos on January 24, 2017, 01:19:10 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.

But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?

Close the site down.  Carlton wins.
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Post by: Nik the Trik on January 24, 2017, 01:21:57 PM
The problem I have with the "I can see it with my own eyes" crowd was well put by Zee. I watch the Leafs but I don't have time to watch other teams with regularity so putting anything a Leaf does in any sort of context(how is Hyman as a penalty killer vs. other team's penalty killers) relies on numbers.

The people who have a problem with your more advanced numbers don't have a problem with context or trying to rate players across the league, they just want to do so on the basis of numbers that are subject to all manner of biases and outside factors that muddy the issue. They'll rate goalies by SV% and snipers by goals and defensemen by +/- so it's not the concept of numbers they dislike.

All advanced statistics are trying to do is separate the wheat from the chaff in the numbers we use. Is every attempt to quantify the sport going to work? No. But it's a worthwhile process to get at some important truths of the game that just can't be picked up on by only watching one team.

Extricating yourself from that pursuit is fine if you want to be a fan of a team but it is going to limit you when it comes to discussing the sport, especially now that some of these more complicated numbers have taken hold in NHL front offices.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 24, 2017, 01:24:49 PM
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.

But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?

It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.

I still think Marincin sucks.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 24, 2017, 01:32:48 PM
It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.

Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 24, 2017, 02:14:31 PM
Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.

When I watch Gardiner play, I just know how it makes me feel.....man.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on January 24, 2017, 02:18:17 PM
Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.

When I watch Gardiner play, I just know how it makes me feel.....man.

He's definitely the McCoy Tyner of the 2016-2017 Maple Leafs.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on January 24, 2017, 02:25:17 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ha1TKFMId0[/youtube]

The main takeaways:
"Your eyes and your mind are lying sons of bitches"
And goals/saves are Percentage Driven Outcomes.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2017, 12:10:07 PM
An update on the Athletic:

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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Really excited for our new contributors: @mike_p_johnson, @AndrewStoeten and @dellowhockey will all be writing columns for @TheAthleticTO.

That's Mike Johnson and Tyler Dellow on the hockey side, and a Blue Jays blogger to add some voices to the baseball side.

I remember Mirtle flat out asked twitter users which former player they'd like to see the Athletic try to scoop up awhile back, and Johnson was the overwhelming favourite. So I'm glad we'll start to hear his voice again. I think he's been doing some work for the NHL Network since Sportsnet dropped him but obviously that doesn't do us Leafs fan much good.

And I've been very curious to see what Dellow's next public move was going to be since being let go by Edmonton. Will be good to have his writing back in the analytics community.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 08, 2017, 12:22:52 PM
An update on the Athletic:

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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Really excited for our new contributors: @mike_p_johnson, @AndrewStoeten and @dellowhockey will all be writing columns for @TheAthleticTO.
By the Matrix...
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Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 08, 2017, 12:44:36 PM

Off topic I guess but I really liked Drunk Jays Fans back in the day so it's good to see Stoeten will still be writing about the team.

That said, I always felt that site and its collapse in the whole The Score explosion was an example of why it's sometimes a mistake to turn amateur bloggers into pros.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2017, 01:05:46 PM

Off topic I guess but I really liked Drunk Jays Fans back in the day so it's good to see Stoeten will still be writing about the team.

Just in case you didn't know, Stoeten's been writing about the Jays at www.bluejaysnation.com for about a year now too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 08, 2017, 01:32:26 PM
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on February 08, 2017, 01:36:23 PM
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: iwas11in67 on February 09, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.

I preferred Humble and Fred on The Edge. Those were my golden days. I tried Blundell for a while but couldn't take his humour, but he wasn't after my demographics anyways.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on February 09, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.

I preferred Humble and Fred on The Edge. Those were my golden days. I tried Blundell for a while but couldn't take his humour, but he wasn't after my demographics anyways.
Humble and Fred are still going. They broadcast on Sirius XM but you can listen to the show as podcast. HumbleandFredRadio.com
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: iwas11in67 on February 09, 2017, 10:12:02 AM
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.

I preferred Humble and Fred on The Edge. Those were my golden days. I tried Blundell for a while but couldn't take his humour, but he wasn't after my demographics anyways.
Humble and Fred are still going. They broadcast on Sirius XM but you can listen to the show as podcast. HumbleandFredRadio.com

Thanks Zee but I knew that. I was just making the point (poorly obviously) that I don't care for Blundell.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: McGarnagle on February 09, 2017, 08:25:14 PM
Yeah, Blundell wasn't the greatest, but Landsberg is annoyingly awful on TSN, and Brady is almost as bad.

There really isn't a good morning drive sports show right now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on February 10, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
Yeah, Blundell wasn't the greatest, but Landsberg is annoyingly awful on TSN, and Brady is almost as bad.

There really isn't a good morning drive sports show right now.

Landsberg is an acquired taste I'll give you that.  At least he has Naylor to balance him out in the morning, and Lansdberg has been doing sports talk all his professional life.  The thing that bothered me most about Blundell on the FAN, was that he didn't even like sports.  I remember from his time on the Edge he'd be clueless whenever Jason Barr did his sports report, and couldn't care less about anything to do with sports.  Suddenly he's hired as the morning guy on a sports talk station -- bad idea.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 23, 2017, 07:33:11 PM

Wasn't sure where to put this as it's not Leafs-specific media but Jay Onrait and Dan O'Toole's show got canceled on Fox Sports today and it looks like they may be headed back to TSN.

http://deadspin.com/report-fox-sports-1-will-get-rid-of-the-good-parts-1792682261 (http://deadspin.com/report-fox-sports-1-will-get-rid-of-the-good-parts-1792682261)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 23, 2017, 07:37:48 PM
Fox making bad broadcasting decisions, stop me if you've heard this one before.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on February 24, 2017, 12:57:51 PM
Reports on twitter have JVR-Bozak-Brown all missing from Leafs practice today.  Could be nothing, could be something.

Lines at Leafs practice:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Komarov-Kadri-Leivo
Martin-Gauther-Soshnikov
Marincin-Smith

Absent: JVR-Bozak-Brown
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2017, 03:41:50 PM
Reports on twitter have JVR-Bozak-Brown all missing from Leafs practice today.  Could be nothing, could be something.

Mildly related:
www.twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/835195803908067329

Full Q&A, via MLHS (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/02/24/mike-babcock-on-the-rookies-response-to-a-playoff-race/)

Please read the whole thing for Babcock's nickname for Claude Julien.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on February 24, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
Julie boy. Lol
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
www.twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/836954894426832896

We all saw this move coming
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 01, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
www.twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/836954894426832896

We all saw this move coming

Oh...did they get fired down south?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on March 01, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
www.twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/836954894426832896

We all saw this move coming

Oh...did they get fired down south?

I heard they weren't renewed.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 01, 2017, 10:17:31 AM
www.twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/836954894426832896

We all saw this move coming

Oh...did they get fired down south?

I heard they weren't renewed.

Hey Rick!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 01, 2017, 10:23:07 AM
I would say not being renewed is another form of being fired, without the compensation package ;)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
Oh...did they get fired down south?

Scroll up a bit further for Nik's post on the Deadspin article for details.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
www.twitter.com/mikeFAIL/status/836967819531018240

Trade Deadline day is wonderful! So is Duthie's hair.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on March 01, 2017, 11:00:06 AM
Burkie 2017: So Very Tired
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 01, 2017, 11:05:27 AM
It's 9 AM in Calgary, Burke. Tie your damn tie.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2017, 11:25:04 AM
It's 9 AM in Calgary, Burke. Tie your damn tie.

I can guess what his response to you would be.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on March 01, 2017, 01:52:30 PM
www.twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/836997504679829504

What a coup.

I could listen to Bryzgalov talk all day.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on March 05, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on March 07, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Bownsie on Primetime. Congratulations Joe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nskZ5cPz30k
The closest we ever got in the Pat Quinn Era. 2002, overtime, Game Six, Conference Final. Carolina would go on to win the Cup. Couldn't find the Joe call but here's CBC.

Edit: Got it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1e1270vrk
... and we're stuck with Paul Romanuk calling the regional games while this legend is still on the radio. I swear if it wasn't a minute ahead I'd mute the TV audio and listen to the radio. Bownsie and Rick Jeannerette are regional homer legends.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 08, 2017, 02:21:45 AM
Ah, sweet memories!
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Arn on March 08, 2017, 05:17:15 AM
I swear if it wasn't a minute ahead I'd mute the TV audio and listen to the radio. Bownsie and Rick Jeannerette are regional homer legends.

No way to pause the TV feed for a minute and sync up the radio feed to it?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on March 17, 2017, 01:21:26 AM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 17, 2017, 05:59:59 AM
The slogan on his sweater (on side part) read "Toronto is Everything".   :) :)
(Expanded twitter photo & zoomed in). 

He was having a grand time there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on March 20, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 20, 2017, 03:02:02 PM
Oh Howard... Based on his unchanging look, I have a feeling he Photoshopped his head onto those pictures
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 20, 2017, 05:29:51 PM

For someone who's never been to the ACC, I enjoyed this a lot. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 21, 2017, 08:26:40 AM


Very nice photos.  I always wondered what the view was like up there.  That picture of Bob McGill brings back some memories -- I and a family member were walking towards the then Maple Leaf Gardens and I recognized the fellow near me as Bob McGill.  Sure enough, got an autograph from him.  In so doing, this wide-eyed kid comes up to me, and asks me who it was, so I tell him and he goes "Bob McGill?! Wow!". Haha.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on March 24, 2017, 11:51:28 PM

Joe Bowen is the play-by-play spokesman of this club. Always has been. His Stanley Cup call will be damn near epic.


Joe agrees! I got a retweet :D
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on April 18, 2017, 12:45:11 AM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on April 21, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
Looks like Leafs Lunch is getting a bit of a shuffle. No more poop emoji.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: LuncheonMeat on April 21, 2017, 03:19:50 PM
Looks like Leafs Lunch is getting a bit of a shuffle. No more poop emoji.

?? Please elborate.  :)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on April 21, 2017, 03:21:47 PM
Looks like Leafs Lunch is getting a bit of a shuffle. No more poop emoji.

?? Please elborate.  :)

Is Patrick O'Sullivan bumped?  I've heard rumblings and he hasn't been on the show the last few episodes.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on April 21, 2017, 03:41:54 PM
There's a bit of smoke in the air at the moment.

On the 18th, POS blew up on air, belittling Andi (more than usual), the Leafs, fans, any differences of opinion, and literally invited them to not tune in (which I'd imagine is the opposite of what you want in media).

That night, his Twitter bio was edited to remove TSN employment reference. He hasn't been on Leafs Lunch since.

Today, Andi mentioned the 'new guy' starts next Friday or something like that (I'm getting this second hand).

Then there's this:
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/855462745222905857

where @yyzsportsmedia's response is "details forthcoming".

More likely reason: Babcock went to Lou to defend Hyman's honour, and Lou took care of business as usual.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on April 21, 2017, 03:47:04 PM
There's a bit of smoke in the air at the moment.

On the 18th, POS blew up on air, belittling Andi (more than usual), the Leafs, fans, any differences of opinion, and literally invited them to not tune in (which I'd imagine is the opposite of what you want in media).

That night, his Twitter bio was edited to remove TSN employment reference. He hasn't been on Leafs Lunch since.

Today, Andi mentioned the 'new guy' starts next Friday or something like that (I'm getting this second hand).

Then there's this:
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/855462745222905857

where @yyzsportsmedia's response is "details forthcoming".

More likely reason: Babcock went to Lou to defend Hyman's honour, and Lou took care of business as usual.

I don't mine someone on radio who provides a different opinion and isn't just a Leafs fan that will praise anything they do, but O'Sullivan was very difficult to listen to at times.  I think Overdrive has the right mix of objective views...Hayes is the most fanboy of the 3, but he'll criticize the Leafs when it's warranted.  O'Neill is a fan too but he gets disillusioned quickly when things go wrong and Noodles is the most objective and gives other players who aren't Leafs props all the time.   That being said they all have a good rapport together and the show runs smoothly.  On Leafs lunch, POS was just confrontational alot of the time, complaining about fans, and also got snippy with Andi on occasion, it was just not pleasant to listen to.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 21, 2017, 03:56:00 PM
Good riddance. I can't recall anybody in the hockey media to ever do the type of 180 he did in terms of his general demeanour and how he interacts with fans in such a small amount of time before.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on April 21, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
There's a bit of smoke in the air at the moment.

On the 18th, POS blew up on air, belittling Andi (more than usual), the Leafs, fans, any differences of opinion, and literally invited them to not tune in (which I'd imagine is the opposite of what you want in media).

That night, his Twitter bio was edited to remove TSN employment reference. He hasn't been on Leafs Lunch since.

Today, Andi mentioned the 'new guy' starts next Friday or something like that (I'm getting this second hand).

Then there's this:
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/855462745222905857

where @yyzsportsmedia's response is "details forthcoming".

More likely reason: Babcock went to Lou to defend Hyman's honour, and Lou took care of business as usual.

I don't mine someone on radio who provides a different opinion and isn't just a Leafs fan that will praise anything they do, but O'Sullivan was very difficult to listen to at times.  I think Overdrive has the right mix of objective views...Hayes is the most fanboy of the 3, but he'll criticize the Leafs when it's warranted.  O'Neill is a fan too but he gets disillusioned quickly when things go wrong and Noodles is the most objective and gives other players who aren't Leafs props all the time.   That being said they all have a good rapport together and the show runs smoothly.  On Leafs lunch, POS was just confrontational alot of the time, complaining about fans, and also got snippy with Andi on occasion, it was just not pleasant to listen to.
x2 I enjoy intelligent and opinionated, but good natured.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 21, 2017, 09:24:59 PM
There's a bit of smoke in the air at the moment.

On the 18th, POS blew up on air, belittling Andi (more than usual), the Leafs, fans, any differences of opinion, and literally invited them to not tune in (which I'd imagine is the opposite of what you want in media).

That night, his Twitter bio was edited to remove TSN employment reference. He hasn't been on Leafs Lunch since.

Today, Andi mentioned the 'new guy' starts next Friday or something like that (I'm getting this second hand).

Then there's this:
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/855462745222905857

where @yyzsportsmedia's response is "details forthcoming".

More likely reason: Babcock went to Lou to defend Hyman's honour, and Lou took care of business as usual.

You should be careful.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on April 22, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
"See you in a couple days."

Mike Babcock said this to every staff-member at Verizon Center as he walked to the team bus.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on April 26, 2017, 01:49:36 PM
ESPN axed pretty much everyone, including their Bob McKenzie-lite, LeBrun.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on April 26, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
ESPN axed pretty much everyone, including their Bob McKenzie-lite, LeBrun.
Not just hockey guys too, across all sports.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 26, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
Media is changing so rapidly now. As a print guy, I see my client base evaporating, and the strange thing is although we have great social media, no one really wants to pay the price for it.
For a company like ESPN to cut 100 top people that is saying something. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 26, 2017, 04:58:24 PM
Media is changing so rapidly now. As a print guy, I see my client base evaporating, and the strange thing is although we have great social media, no one really wants to pay the price for it.
For a company like ESPN to cut 100 top people that is saying something.

So long as people expect to get professional content for free on the Web, it's a losing fight. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 26, 2017, 05:39:39 PM

This isn't about people not going to espn.com to read Lebrun or the other low-salaried beat reporters they let go, this is just an opening salvo in the very real problem with how broadcast rights have been overvalued. ESPN is in a bind because people are cutting off cable subscriptions while still being obligated to pay leagues billions of dollars.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on April 30, 2017, 09:10:22 AM
Media is changing so rapidly now. As a print guy, I see my client base evaporating, and the strange thing is although we have great social media, no one really wants to pay the price for it.
For a company like ESPN to cut 100 top people that is saying something.

So long as people expect to get professional content for free on the Web, it's a losing fight.


They do, they have Nik and the Herminator
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on May 09, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
www.twitter.com/ArponBasu/status/861661903990534145

Where's the fire emoji?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Boston Leaf on May 09, 2017, 03:19:52 PM
that's great
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 28, 2017, 05:46:40 PM
Should Crosby win the Stanley Cup, it will have been the third in his career.  Also, should Pittsburgh win it, they will have been the first team in the salary cap era to have done so.


The last back-to-back Cup winners were the Detroit Red Wings of 1997 & 1998.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/crosby-penguins-chasing-back-back-stanley-cups-well-history/
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on June 08, 2017, 12:16:55 AM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on June 12, 2017, 02:57:42 PM
Hilarious and cringe-worthy. The fruits of more than a decade of bumbling in Long Island.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 12, 2017, 06:21:35 PM
Hilarious and cringe-worthy. The fruits of more than a decade of bumbling in Long Island.

Probably has more to do with what Milbury said about Subban.