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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Last post by Bullfrog on Today at 05:14:29 PM »
Hi everyone I know I'm doing a good job hiding it but I'm very excited about Dubas and this hire and the draft and this offseason.

But, do you think it was the right move?

Please explain your answer.
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I think Thornton is gone or taking a huge cut in pay. They can still grab Tavares but they'll have to make some moves.
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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Marlies' Playoff Games
« Last post by Coco-puffs on Today at 04:48:01 PM »
The more I watch Johnsson the more excited I get about his potential, he was an absolute force on the Grundstrom goal and then his wraparound was fantastic.  His passes to Aaltonen in the first games of this series were sublime.

As mentioned before 4th line on Leafs next season Johnsson-Aaltonen-Grundstrom

With JvR gone Johnsson is already looking like our 3rd line LW.  Heck, if I was drawing up a lineup, I think he'd be on the 1st line:

Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Hyman - Nylander - Brown
Moore - Lindholm - Aaltonen
Leivo
That first line would kill

I would put Grundstrom in there somewhere. I do think we need an upgrade somewhere on the forwards though.... Come on Dubas with some out of the box thinking!

Given Grundstrom's age etc, I'm not sure I'd want him getting limited 4th line minutes over getting big minutes on the Marlies- at least to start the year.  If he's dominating the AHL mid-season, ala Johnsson was earlier this year, then bring him up.
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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Marlies' Playoff Games
« Last post by Highlander on Today at 04:45:34 PM »
The more I watch Johnsson the more excited I get about his potential, he was an absolute force on the Grundstrom goal and then his wraparound was fantastic.  His passes to Aaltonen in the first games of this series were sublime.

As mentioned before 4th line on Leafs next season Johnsson-Aaltonen-Grundstrom

With JvR gone Johnsson is already looking like our 3rd line LW.  Heck, if I was drawing up a lineup, I think he'd be on the 1st line:

Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Hyman - Nylander - Brown
Moore - Lindholm - Aaltonen
Leivo
That first line would kill

I would put Grundstrom in there somewhere. I do think we need an upgrade somewhere on the forwards though.... Come on Dubas with some out of the box thinking!
I heard Don Dubas is cloning the skeletal remains of Rocket Richard, should be flying down the ice in about 18 years.  How outside the box can you get?
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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Marlies' Playoff Games
« Last post by Bender on Today at 04:42:03 PM »
The more I watch Johnsson the more excited I get about his potential, he was an absolute force on the Grundstrom goal and then his wraparound was fantastic.  His passes to Aaltonen in the first games of this series were sublime.

As mentioned before 4th line on Leafs next season Johnsson-Aaltonen-Grundstrom

With JvR gone Johnsson is already looking like our 3rd line LW.  Heck, if I was drawing up a lineup, I think he'd be on the 1st line:

Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Hyman - Nylander - Brown
Moore - Lindholm - Aaltonen
Leivo
That first line would kill

I would put Grundstrom in there somewhere. I do think we need an upgrade somewhere on the forwards though.... Come on Dubas with some out of the box thinking!
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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Marlies' Playoff Games
« Last post by Highlander on Today at 04:14:12 PM »
The more I watch Johnsson the more excited I get about his potential, he was an absolute force on the Grundstrom goal and then his wraparound was fantastic.  His passes to Aaltonen in the first games of this series were sublime.

As mentioned before 4th line on Leafs next season Johnsson-Aaltonen-Grundstrom

With JvR gone Johnsson is already looking like our 3rd line LW.  Heck, if I was drawing up a lineup, I think he'd be on the 1st line:

Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Hyman - Nylander - Brown
Moore - Lindholm - Aaltonen
Leivo
That first line would kill
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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Marlies' Playoff Games
« Last post by Coco-puffs on Today at 03:51:43 PM »
The more I watch Johnsson the more excited I get about his potential, he was an absolute force on the Grundstrom goal and then his wraparound was fantastic.  His passes to Aaltonen in the first games of this series were sublime.

As mentioned before 4th line on Leafs next season Johnsson-Aaltonen-Grundstrom

With JvR gone Johnsson is already looking like our 3rd line LW.  Heck, if I was drawing up a lineup, I think he'd be on the 1st line:

Johnsson - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Hyman - Nylander - Brown
Moore - Lindholm - Aaltonen
Leivo
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Last post by herman on Today at 03:49:38 PM »
Fixed your typo, which also serves to answer my own saucy question.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Laurence Gilman hired as AGM
« Last post by herman on Today at 03:19:18 PM »
From the Custance podcast: https://theathletic.com/366897/2018/05/24/the-full-60-q-and-a-leafs-assistant-gm-laurence-gilman/

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The owner and president of the Winnipeg Jets, Barry Shenkarow, decided they were going to change the way they negotiated contracts and take that job out of the purview of the GM. And his innovative idea was to hire an outside counsel to represent the club in negotiations, but they needed someone internally to help defray the costs. I was ultimately hired as a member of the finance department of the Winnipeg Jets as legal council for the princely sum of $32,500 Canadian to do the work on the contracts, do the research, assist the lawyer.

When I started, Mr. Shenkarlow said to me, ‘This business is evolving rapidly. There’s always going to be a place in the game for ex-players — they’re going to be coaches, scouts and general managers — but the future of the game is going to involve people like you, people with law degrees, business degrees and advanced education.’ He said, ‘If you shut your mouth, pay attention and you’re 50 percent smarter than I think you are, you will become an expert in this business within five years.’
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I don't know this guy but just to be a bit prickish if he's wonderful with twenty years experience why isn't he a GM already? Carolina owner stuff notwithstanding.

It could be that he doesn't want the full responsibilities. Or, maybe he's excellent in a number of supporting areas, but has gaps in some of the key facets of the role of GM (like contract negotiations - or just direct negotiations in general). There could be a number of reasons. Sometimes, guys are just best suited to the AGM role instead, and want to stay in a role where they can shine rather than take on a larger role they (or others) don't think they'll successful in.

FYI: We don't know what position he was offered in Carolina - just that it was a front office position. There's some speculation it was also essentially an AGM type role.

Aside from Carlton's probable reason, Gilman (who I hadn't really heard of until yesterday but am now an expert on his life, times, and achievements) was always kind of seen by the hockey world as not the hockey guy, but still a useful exec. i.e. how MSM viewed Dubas as just the numbers guy.

From the aforementioned article from The Athletic:
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Prior to his dismissal, Gilman forged a reputation as one of the league’s sharpest financial minds, though the “capologist” label is one he disliked. There was a certain pigeonholing that came along with it. While the perception often worked in his favor – folks around the league respected his ability to value players, negotiate contracts and navigate CBA complexities – it also limited the scope of his executive ability. He was pegged as a numbers guy, one banging on a calculator in a widowless room in the back office.

Not exactly a hockey guy.

I think it bears repeating that a lot of the NHL is made up of people who have a limited scope of experience (i.e. played hockey through high school, skipped college/university for the career, and maybe jumped into coaching or management), fueled and fawned over by media and agents in a very small ecosystem egosystem.

Fixed your typo, which also serves to answer my own saucy question.
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