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Title: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2016, 11:37:23 PM
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The Washington Capitals have acquired forward Daniel Winnik and a fifth-round selection in the 2016 NHL Draft (Anaheim’s selection, previously acquired by Toronto) from the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for forward Brooks Laich, defenseman Connor Carrick and a second-round selection in the 2016 NHL Draft, senior vice president and general manager Brian MacLellan announced today.

http://capitalstoday.monumentalnetwork.com/2016/02/28/capitals-acquire-daniel-winnik-from-toronto
Everyone wake up!
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Potvin29 on February 28, 2016, 11:40:26 PM
Winnik the 2nd rounder generator.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Bullfrog on February 28, 2016, 11:42:23 PM
a draft pick in this year! yay!

Winnik is now responsible for two 2nd rounders in this draft (the other from Pittsburgh)
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: LuncheonMeat on February 28, 2016, 11:42:42 PM
Man, here I thought you guys would all be in bed by now, and you scooped me instead!
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Crake on February 28, 2016, 11:42:45 PM
I haven't followed Laich the last couple years, but beyond being overpaid he's still a half decent third line player, no? His contact is up next year, just wondering if he'll bring back a second or third round pick next deadline?
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 28, 2016, 11:44:18 PM

Solid trade. It'll be #59 or #60 but to heck with it. I'm in. 
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Potvin29 on February 28, 2016, 11:44:48 PM
Carrick is a 21 year old defenseman with 25 points in 46 games in the AHL this season.  He had 42 in 73 games a year ago.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2016, 11:46:07 PM
Carrick is a 21 year old defenseman with 25 points in 46 games in the AHL this season.  He had 42 in 73 games a year ago.

Right handed shot too, which the Leafs lack in their system. Likely a depth guy.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: LuncheonMeat on February 28, 2016, 11:46:11 PM
This is a pleasant surprise. I really didn't think Winnik would be moved until next year, and another second this year is great.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Crake on February 28, 2016, 11:46:11 PM
What's the haul up to now, 4 seconds and 2 fourths in the last couple weeks?
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Potvin29 on February 28, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
Carrick is a 21 year old defenseman with 25 points in 46 games in the AHL this season.  He had 42 in 73 games a year ago.

Right handed shot too, which the Leafs lack in their system. Likely a depth guy.

I'm kind of shocked they were able to get him.  Taking on Laich's deal must have been that important to Washington.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2016, 11:49:03 PM
Winnik was solid as a Leaf last season, but his play this year has been very underwhelming. It's a little surprising as you'd think he'd be someone who might have thrived in a Babcock-system. I'd imagine eating Laich's contract had just as much to do with getting the 2nd rounder as Winnik did. Still a really good trade.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 28, 2016, 11:50:52 PM

Also, Laich fills the gap left by Dion Phaneuf for a Leaf with a semi-famous significant other which was a loss I was keenly feeling. 
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 28, 2016, 11:53:54 PM

Winnik was solid as a Leaf last season, but his play this year has been very underwhelming. It's a little surprising as you'd think he'd be someone who might have thrived in a Babcock-system. I'd imagine eating Laich's contract had just as much to do with getting the 2nd rounder as Winnik did. Still a really good trade.

He had a bad lower body injury earlier in the year. It's been mentioned several times that it's hurt his mobility all season.

It's kind of amazing that they netted a 2nd rounder and decent prospect for adding only $2.25 million in salary.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Captain Canuck on February 28, 2016, 11:55:01 PM
Solid return for Winnik getting another 2nd rounder and a RH shot prospect d-man. Curious to see if the Leafs flip Laich tomorrow, release him after the season or keep him around until next years deadline? He was a very good player in his prime, but has fallen off a cliff production-wise the past few years. On the plus side get ready for some Julianne Hough sightings around town!  ;)
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2016, 11:55:49 PM
He had a bad lower body injury earlier in the year. It's been mentioned several times that it's hurt his mobility all season.

He missed a tiny bit of time for it in November. If it was that serious the team would have done something about it.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 28, 2016, 11:59:35 PM
His contact is up next year, just wondering if he'll bring back a second or third round pick next deadline?

Don't know how high the pick will be, but he'll definitely be flippable at the deadline next year. Leafs will be able to eat some of his cap hit too if need be. His possession numbers were still decent this year, and he's generally considered a high-character guy.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:01:30 AM
This seems like a bit of a steal. Caps must've been pretty eager to shed Laich and get Winnik.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 29, 2016, 12:03:29 AM

Eep. Just imagine being in Washington and everything good they've got going on and being told you get to spend the next month playing for no stakes.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:07:22 AM
Connor Carrick
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/connor-carrick/

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Carrick lacks size (5’11, 185 pounds), but he more than makes up for it with his skating and offensive ability. He shows great confidence carrying the puck and attacks the offensive zone, jumping into the rush and creating opportunities. Though he is undersized for a defenseman, he shows competency in his own zone despite facing physical challenges. His shot and ability to quarterback the power play are what make him most valuable and he has the skill set to be very good as an offensive defenseman on the NHL level.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 29, 2016, 12:09:38 AM

He had a bad lower body injury earlier in the year. It's been mentioned several times that it's hurt his mobility all season.

He missed a tiny bit of time for it in November. If it was that serious the team would have done something about it.

There was a story not long after, that basically said it was an injury that was unlikely to heal to the point where he'd have full mobility unless he was shut down for several months or had surgery, he decided playing at 85% was preferable.

Had it happened later in the year I suspect they'd have shut him down entirely.

Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 29, 2016, 12:10:51 AM
This seems like a bit of a steal. Caps must've been pretty eager to shed Laich and get Winnik.

Makes you wonder if they've got something sizable on deck for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: L K on February 29, 2016, 12:14:23 AM
This seems like a bit of a steal. Caps must've been pretty eager to shed Laich and get Winnik.

Makes you wonder if they've got something sizable on deck for tomorrow.

PA Parenteau to Washington confirmed?

Pretty solid deal. 
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:16:36 AM
This seems like a bit of a steal. Caps must've been pretty eager to shed Laich and get Winnik.

Makes you wonder if they've got something sizable on deck for tomorrow.

PA Parenteau to Washington confirmed?

Pretty solid deal.

They would've rolled him into the package, no?
I thought Komarov would've gone to Washington for Laich+.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:20:02 AM
The value coming back on this trade boggles my brain more than the Polak/Spaling deal.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Bender on February 29, 2016, 12:23:35 AM
Laich has been really bad this year, they're willing to give up picks to save a couple million dollars
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:26:11 AM
Laich has been really bad this year, they're willing to give up picks to save a couple million dollars

And with our team for this and next season, neither of those downsides is consequential.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Highlander on February 29, 2016, 12:26:40 AM
2 guys named Carrick on the same team…..one will have to go ;)
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Bender on February 29, 2016, 12:31:38 AM
Laich has been really bad this year, they're willing to give up picks to save a couple million dollars

And with our team for this and next season, neither of those downsides is consequential.
It seems like we're really going with a scorched earth policy here. I thought PAP would be gone before Winnik.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Sarge on February 29, 2016, 12:47:12 AM
Jebus... I had no idea Laich was having that horrific of a season. I wonder where he fits in next season - if at all. Horray for the pick and the prospect though.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Gerald The Duck on February 29, 2016, 01:15:23 AM
What a great return for Winnik. Even more so if Laich can be parlayed into another pick next year.

I agree that Washington has something brewing and wanted the cap space ASAP.  I just don't see how the Leafs get that kind of return for Winnik otherwise (even keeping in mind the pick is likely to be in the high 50s).

Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Frank E on February 29, 2016, 07:05:00 AM
So, is Laich that bad now?  Salvageable 3rd liner?  When does Hough arrive?
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on February 29, 2016, 07:19:19 AM
Nice return for Winnik, keep em coming Lou!
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Boston Leaf on February 29, 2016, 08:25:07 AM
just think after next year we can resign Winnik and do it all over again
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 29, 2016, 08:33:03 AM
So, is Laich that bad now?  Salvageable 3rd liner?  When does Hough arrive?

1. Borderline NHL'er at this point.

2. Babcock will do what he can, maybe. Legs might have gone though.

3. I'm going to call her an uber in about 45 minutes.

Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: bustaheims on February 29, 2016, 08:38:06 AM
Solid return on Winnik, and nice job taking advantage of cap space. I wouldn't be surprised to see another couple deals like this today.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 29, 2016, 08:42:05 AM

I know for these guys with two year deals we think "eh, no need to trade them now, the return might be higher next year" but I think this shows that one of the reasons you want to trade these guys now is because you can always sign other guys this off-season for these roster spots and trade those players next deadline.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 29, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
So, is Laich that bad now?  Salvageable 3rd liner?  When does Hough arrive?

4th line, PK guy. The Caps still relied on him pretty heavily on the PK. He averaged about the most minutes (2:05) there among the forwards, along with Richards (2:12) and Beagle (2:04). But those two have only played in 18 and 37 games respectively for Washington this season. They've also got the 4th best ranked PK in the league, so he's likely doing something good there (having Holtby behind you helps no doubt).

Past couple of seasons he's been on pace to score 25 points, but this season he's shooting at just 1.5%. He has 1 goal on 66 shots. So it's probably reasonable to expect his scoring to go up a little next season.

Lastly he's at least been able to keep a positive possession rate this season, and a positive relative-possession rate. Playing fairly comfortable minutes though.

So I'd categorize him as an extremely overpaid, but average-to-slightly-above-average (if his SH% regresses back to the mean) 4th liner.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 08:49:54 AM
Better than Clarkson?
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 29, 2016, 08:53:00 AM
This might have nothing to do with anything, but it always surprised me a little bit that the coaching staff was constantly passing Winnik over when it came to handing out As this season. I mean Brad Boyes got to wear one over him recently.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: bustaheims on February 29, 2016, 08:54:06 AM
Better than Clarkson?

Better contract, actually somewhat useful, and potentially salvagable. So, yes.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 29, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
Sounds like a great trade to me. Successful. Maybe even overwhelming.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 29, 2016, 08:54:52 AM
Sounds like a great trade to me. Successful. Maybe even overwhelming.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 29, 2016, 09:10:07 AM
Sounds like a great trade to me. Successful. Maybe even overwhelming.

A deal so nice, you said it twice!!!
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 09:13:29 AM
Sounds like a great trade to me. Successful. Maybe even overwhelming.

A deal so nice, you said it twice!!!

It's only fitting. We've traded Winnik for a seemingly overwhelming return twice.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 29, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
It's kinda crazy that in 114 games Winnik has netted Toronto two 2nd rounders, a legit RH D prospect in Carrick and Martin Marincin.

Let's do it again in 2017 Danny boy.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Highlander on February 29, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
This makes the Reimer deal a lot less bitter, this is one great trade. I understand with Reims they had to go to clear the space to get some playing time for Sparks and Bibs.
Lou can replace Batista in RF, as he is hitting almost everything out of the park.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 29, 2016, 09:36:01 AM

It's only fitting. We've traded Winnik for a seemingly overwhelming return twice.

Dude, it's a low second and a low-key prospect in exchange for eating ugly money next year.

You may need more whelm.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 10:10:35 AM

It's only fitting. We've traded Winnik for a seemingly overwhelming return twice.

Dude, it's a low second and a low-key prospect in exchange for eating ugly money next year.

You may need more whelm.

Too much hyperbole, I guess. It's ugly money, but not exactly a problem for our situation.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Tigger on February 29, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
So that's 13 picks as of now for 2016? I think that ties the record.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Highlander on February 29, 2016, 11:58:58 AM
wait till 3PM
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: bustaheims on February 29, 2016, 12:02:41 PM
So that's 13 picks as of now for 2016? I think that ties the record.

Still 12. One in, one out with this deal.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:05:46 PM
So that's 13 picks as of now for 2016? I think that ties the record.

Should still be 12.

-5th/+2nd

Currently, we have all of our original 7 picks including the following extras:
1: Pit's* from Kessel deal
2: Was' from Winnick deal
3: NJD's 3rd via Pit's form Kessel deal
4: Col's from Matthias deal
6: St.L's from Jokinen deal
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Tigger on February 29, 2016, 12:07:23 PM
Right, thanks guys. I seem to recall the record for a single season draft is 13, is that right?
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on February 29, 2016, 12:09:17 PM
Right, thanks guys. I seem to recall the record for a single season draft is 13, is that right?

Correct.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Highlander on February 29, 2016, 12:32:54 PM
lets break that record today! :D
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: lamajama on February 29, 2016, 02:18:58 PM
I hope that except like last year, where they dropped in the draft to get MORE picks that maybe they can package some to
move UP. Kind of what they did here with giving a 5th to help get the 2nd.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 29, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
This seems like a bit of a steal. Caps must've been pretty eager to shed Laich and get Winnik.


Leave it to Lou to pull magic out of a hat.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Joe S. on February 29, 2016, 04:13:08 PM
I pulled magic out of a hat once. It burned like hell.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on March 02, 2016, 04:19:34 PM

I meentioned it when the trade went down but I do feel for the guy a little:

Brooks Laich says trade gave him "empty feeling" (http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14886582/brooks-laich-empty-feeling-not-winning-cup-washington-capitals)
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on March 02, 2016, 04:23:17 PM
Going from one last chance at a Cup to standings basement is a huge kick in the pants.

In related news,

Laich really thinks William Nylander is cute.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Al14 on March 02, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
Well, I feel bad for Laich after reading the article on his reaction to the trade.  However, if Laich produces with us next season, just maybe, a contender will trade for him at the deadline and he'll get a chance once again.  I think the ball is in his court on this, so, he needs to keep his head up, work hard, and make things happen with our Leafs. 

Winnik deserves his chance at a cup too after all he has done to help our Leafs with the rebuild.   ;)
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on March 09, 2016, 03:59:49 PM
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14934686/nhl-toronto-maple-leafs-brooks-laich-want-your-pity

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"I had obviously been in the building many times before but always as the opposition," Laich said Monday. "This time playing for the home team, I mean, I used to watch Hockey Night In Canada every Saturday like every kid in Canada. I wanted to play for the Leafs. I was a (Doug) Gilmour fan, a (Mats) Sundin fan. When we had the anthem and the Canadian flag was going down the one side in the crowd, the Maple Leafs flag was going down the other, and I was playing for the Leafs, people were rooting for me, that's when it really hit home. This was a dream come true. It really is. It's something very special.

"A lot of people might look at the situation that got me here and say, 'Oh he's disappointed, he must be upset.' No, I look at it like a tremendous opportunity, I'm very fortunate to be here."

[...]

Still, Leafs management has an open mind as far as Laich's future. After all, with the departures of Dion Phaneuf and Roman Polak, there's need for veteran leadership around this ever-younger Leafs roster.

But Laich will only have a future with the Leafs if his play on the ice warrants it. And he knows that.

"As of right now, the plan is day by day for myself. I'm trying to prove myself," Laich said.

"My job first and foremost is to rebuild my career, play the way I can. Be an effective, everyday consistent player. And then when doing so, the other intangibles come naturally. I love teammates, I love the team atmosphere of hockey, I love the enthusiasm of young kids, I remember being there 10 years ago, being one myself. But all those things come after me first playing well. I have to play well in order to have my voice carry any weight in the locker room."
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on March 15, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
What the Feschuk?
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2016/03/14/rebuilding-maple-leafs-attractive-to-free-agents-like-stamkos-feschuk.html

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“This isn’t my place to say it, but I think the organization is in a great place to really take off next year,” said Brooks Laich, the long-time Washington Capitals forward who arrived in the February deal for Daniel Winnik. “The players who are here, myself included, are all on an audition for next year, for who’s going to be a part of it. For outsiders — if you’re a UFA or something — you look at a tremendous coaching staff, a fabulous place to play hockey where you are treated like royalty by the organization, by the people in town from my experience, and you’re part of a young, energetic movement that’s going to push teams.
“To me, that’s a very attractive place to play.”

Certainly Laich could be a model pitchman to those considering Toronto as a destination. He left a Stanley Cup contender — albeit not by choice — and is still framing Leafland as an ideal landing spot.

“This is an amazing opportunity. Coming from D.C., I’m not dragging my lip,” Laich said in an interview Friday. “I don’t think we’re as far away as everybody thinks. There are going to be growing pains, don’t get me wrong. There’s going to be pain. But I’ve seen us play very, very well. I’ve seen us control the territory game, the shots-on-net game, the possession game, the faceoffs. I’ve seen that growth in our game. Now if you can add in a dominant special teams, which takes you up another level, and you add more and more experience — some of these (rookies) have played a half-dozen games, and they’re competitive with NHL playoff teams.”
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 15, 2016, 11:17:53 AM
What the Feschuk?
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2016/03/14/rebuilding-maple-leafs-attractive-to-free-agents-like-stamkos-feschuk.html

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“This isn’t my place to say it, but I think the organization is in a great place to really take off next year,” said Brooks Laich, the long-time Washington Capitals forward who arrived in the February deal for Daniel Winnik. “The players who are here, myself included, are all on an audition for next year, for who’s going to be a part of it. For outsiders — if you’re a UFA or something — you look at a tremendous coaching staff, a fabulous place to play hockey where you are treated like royalty by the organization, by the people in town from my experience, and you’re part of a young, energetic movement that’s going to push teams.
“To me, that’s a very attractive place to play.”

Certainly Laich could be a model pitchman to those considering Toronto as a destination. He left a Stanley Cup contender — albeit not by choice — and is still framing Leafland as an ideal landing spot.

“This is an amazing opportunity. Coming from D.C., I’m not dragging my lip,” Laich said in an interview Friday. “I don’t think we’re as far away as everybody thinks. There are going to be growing pains, don’t get me wrong. There’s going to be pain. But I’ve seen us play very, very well. I’ve seen us control the territory game, the shots-on-net game, the possession game, the faceoffs. I’ve seen that growth in our game. Now if you can add in a dominant special teams, which takes you up another level, and you add more and more experience — some of these (rookies) have played a half-dozen games, and they’re competitive with NHL playoff teams.”

You gotta love Brooks Laich.  If he gets on Babcock's good side he could be back next year.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on March 15, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
You gotta love Brooks Laich.  If he gets on Babcock's good side he could be back next year.

I like him too. He's still under contract for next season, as are Greening and Michalek. Wouldn't be surprising to see them on the team next year as deadline bait, or veteran presence/player/character coaches playing out the string. On this team, they are still serviceable so long as they are able-bodied.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 15, 2016, 01:57:43 PM
You gotta love Brooks Laich.  If he gets on Babcock's good side he could be back next year.

I like him too. He's still under contract for next season, as are Greening and Michalek. Wouldn't be surprising to see them on the team next year as deadline bait, or veteran presence/player/character coaches playing out the string. On this team, they are still serviceable so long as they are able-bodied.

Seems like the type of guy to coach after he is done playing.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 15, 2016, 03:59:22 PM
You gotta love Brooks Laich.  If he gets on Babcock's good side he could be back next year.

I like him too. He's still under contract for next season, as are Greening and Michalek. Wouldn't be surprising to see them on the team next year as deadline bait, or veteran presence/player/character coaches playing out the string. On this team, they are still serviceable so long as they are able-bodied.

I am definitely hoping that they keep all these veterans in the lineup next year and leave as many top prospects in lower leagues to dominate.  I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2016, 04:06:03 PM
I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.

No amount of AHL seasoning would have been enough to make Nylander ready to dominate at Game 1 of his NHL career.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2016, 05:23:42 PM
I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.

No amount of AHL seasoning would have been enough to make Nylander ready to dominate at Game 1 of his NHL career.

Seriously.  It's only a small number of NHL players that I consider to "dominate with their play", and those are pretty much stars if not superstars, none of whom are in their first handful of games.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2016, 05:40:15 PM
I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.

No amount of AHL seasoning would have been enough to make Nylander ready to dominate at Game 1 of his NHL career.

Seriously.  It's only a small number of NHL players that I consider to "dominate with their play", and those are pretty much stars if not superstars, none of whom are in their first handful of games.

Well, there's that generational rookie that everyone's talking about: Dylan Larkin.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2016, 06:04:02 PM
I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.

No amount of AHL seasoning would have been enough to make Nylander ready to dominate at Game 1 of his NHL career.

Seriously.  It's only a small number of NHL players that I consider to "dominate with their play", and those are pretty much stars if not superstars, none of whom are in their first handful of games.

Well, there's that generational rookie that everyone's talking about: Dylan Larkin.

I was referring to humans, not demigods.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 15, 2016, 06:15:37 PM

I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.

No amount of AHL seasoning would have been enough to make Nylander ready to dominate at Game 1 of his NHL career.

Seriously.  It's only a small number of NHL players that I consider to "dominate with their play", and those are pretty much stars if not superstars, none of whom are in their first handful of games.

Well, there's that generational rookie that everyone's talking about: Dylan Larkin.

I was referring to humans, not demigods.

Right. We haven't seen one of those on the Leafs since Danny Markov.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2016, 06:30:13 PM

I have only caught a bit of Leafs action since the young guys have been called up, but what I have seen, not even Nylander is dominating with his play.

No amount of AHL seasoning would have been enough to make Nylander ready to dominate at Game 1 of his NHL career.

Seriously.  It's only a small number of NHL players that I consider to "dominate with their play", and those are pretty much stars if not superstars, none of whom are in their first handful of games.

Well, there's that generational rookie that everyone's talking about: Dylan Larkin.

I was referring to humans, not demigods.

Right. We haven't seen one of those on the Leafs since Danny Markov.

Technically, Markov was a Titan.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Frank E on March 15, 2016, 06:53:44 PM
You know, there's hardly a human, or animal, on earth that didn't love Danny Markov and maybe wanted to have his children please. 

But it takes a special person to love and appreciate Randy Wood.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 15, 2016, 07:06:02 PM
But it takes a special person to love and appreciate Randy Wood.

I still love and appreciate his porn star name.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Highlander on March 15, 2016, 08:55:47 PM
Some of my son's friends say I look like Ron Jeremy which is an absolute insult, except for the lower extremities
of course. LOL
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: herman on March 15, 2016, 11:14:26 PM
This is still a magnificent trade.
Title: Re: Winnik traded to Washington
Post by: Al14 on April 21, 2016, 10:50:00 AM
This is still a magnificent trade.

Yes, it was a beauty.  That 2nd round draft pick alone makes this trade well worth losing Winnik.

From the few minutes I've tuned in to the Caps vs Flyers playoff series, Winnik appears to be contributing.