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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #150 on: May 18, 2018, 02:02:03 AM »

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Starting Pitchers:
Thursday May 17   7pm
Andrew Griggs RH (Athletics) 3-1 5.31 ERA vs Aaron Sanchez RH (Blue Jays) 2-3 4.08 ERA

Friday May 18  7pm
Brett Anderson LH (Atheltics) 0-2 8.16 ERA vs Marco Estrada RH (Blue Jays) 2-3 5.32 ERA

Saturday May 19   1pm
Sean Manaea LH (Athletics) 5-4 2.35 ERA vs Joe Biagini RH (Blue Jays) 0-2 7.98 ERA

Sunday May 20 1pm
Daniel Mengden RH (Athletics) 3-4 3.75 ERA vs Jaime Garcia LH (Blue Jays) 2-3 6.28 ERA


Source:  SUNSports, ESPN.com, MLB.com
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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #151 on: May 18, 2018, 11:22:54 PM »
The Jays needed everything to go right this season in order to make the playoffs, and, well, everything is not going right.  Tonight they fell below .500.  It's kind of sad.  To see them lose against lousy teams like Oakland and the Mets is pretty brutal.  Hopefully they can turn things around.  But it's looking more and more as though Josh Donaldson is going to be traded and they will start the rebuild.  The big issue for the team right now is having two of their starting pitchers on the DL.  It's going to be pitchers from Buffalo pitching all weekend long for them.

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #152 on: May 19, 2018, 02:45:06 AM »
The Jays needed everything to go right this season in order to make the playoffs, and, well, everything is not going right.  Tonight they fell below .500.  It's kind of sad.  To see them lose against lousy teams like Oakland and the Mets is pretty brutal.  Hopefully they can turn things around.  But it's looking more and more as though Josh Donaldson is going to be traded and they will start the rebuild.  The big issue for the team right now is having two of their starting pitchers on the DL.  It's going to be pitchers from Buffalo pitching all weekend long for them.


Estrada tonight actually pitched solidly save for that one inning bsck in the sixth. 

The trouble with the Blue Jay starters this year is that, apart from J.A. Happ,  no one has gone the distance much and have been quite inconsistent in terms of runs allowed/innings pitched each time.  More consistency would certainly help their starters to regain some steady form on the mound.

The Stroman situation is definitely frustrating and Donaldson, well, he's certainly not the "Bringer of Rain" anymore.  More like the Bring-ing up on the DL type of player with his constant & on/off shoulder trouble. This isn't the same player who was once dubbed  baseball''s most feared hitter.  Not anymore. 

The Jays can only expect so much from their prospects and no more for now.  Patience is the word and rebuild is often associated with it.

But sickbeast, you're probably sounding the right chord on the Donaldson trade potential plus who knows who else?

If the  Jays can't get into some sort of a winning streak to get sway from that .500 monster and soon enough,  it's doubtful they'll even be in the running fora chance at the WC nor hanging on to third place, with the Tampa Bay Rays breathing down their necks in the  standings.  All hands need to be on deck, the starters need to get their groove back,  and the bullpen needs some relief for itself.  Oh yeah, the Osuna situation...


Inspite of all of this, I still hold out optimism for this season.
 Hernandez, Ureña, Alford, Smith Jr., Gaviglio, etc., etc.  I like what I see so far. 
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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #153 on: May 19, 2018, 10:07:42 AM »
The Jays starters have a combined 5.54 ERA and 1.48 WHIP.   You aren't going to win many games when your starters. Over their last 30 games they have a 6.07 ERA so if anything they are getting worse.  Overall it's a fairly old rotation with Happ, Garcia and Estrada.  Sanchez is showing a lot of rust and has control issues and Stroman has simply been bad.

Biagini's experiment as a starter should probably stop too.  He's just not good the 2nd time through an order.  His stuff is too good as a middle reliever/stretch guy who can go 2-3 innings to keep him in the minors.

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« Reply #154 on: May 20, 2018, 03:23:36 PM »
The Jays needed everything to go right this season in order to make the playoffs, and, well, everything is not going right.  Tonight they fell below .500.  It's kind of sad.  To see them lose against lousy teams like Oakland and the Mets is pretty brutal.  Hopefully they can turn things around.  But it's looking more and more as though Josh Donaldson is going to be traded and they will start the rebuild.  The big issue for the team right now is having two of their starting pitchers on the DL.  It's going to be pitchers from Buffalo pitching all weekend long for them.


Estrada tonight actually pitched solidly save for that one inning bsck in the sixth. 

The trouble with the Blue Jay starters this year is that, apart from J.A. Happ,  no one has gone the distance much and have been quite inconsistent in terms of runs allowed/innings pitched each time.  More consistency would certainly help their starters to regain some steady form on the mound.

The Stroman situation is definitely frustrating and Donaldson, well, he's certainly not the "Bringer of Rain" anymore.  More like the Bring-ing up on the DL type of player with his constant & on/off shoulder trouble. This isn't the same player who was once dubbed  baseball''s most feared hitter.  Not anymore. 

The Jays can only expect so much from their prospects and no more for now.  Patience is the word and rebuild is often associated with it.

But sickbeast, you're probably sounding the right chord on the Donaldson trade potential plus who knows who else?

If the  Jays can't get into some sort of a winning streak to get sway from that .500 monster and soon enough,  it's doubtful they'll even be in the running fora chance at the WC nor hanging on to third place, with the Tampa Bay Rays breathing down their necks in the  standings.  All hands need to be on deck, the starters need to get their groove back,  and the bullpen needs some relief for itself.  Oh yeah, the Osuna situation...


Inspite of all of this, I still hold out optimism for this season.
 Hernandez, Ureña, Alford, Smith Jr., Gaviglio, etc., etc.  I like what I see so far.
I don't want to be right about it to be honest.  I'm a big fan of the team.  My dad is a season's ticket holder and I have been to a lot of great games including the Bautista bat flip game.  But the wheels are very clearly coming off at this point.  I think the whole Osuna thing was the straw that broke the camel's back.

How many of Oakland's starting pitchers were injured during this series against the Jays?  And how many times did the Blue Jays capitalize on it?  Remember, this is Oakland we are talking about.

Also I think Jose Bautista and Kendrys Morales went to the same eye doctor.  Actually Morales has stopped wearing his glasses and he's actually hitting better.

The sad news about rebuilding is that Donaldson's trade value is greatly diminished.  Also it makes zero sense calling up Guerrero if the team is out of contention this season.  It would burn off a year of his ELC for no reason whatsoever.  If they were going to do this they should have done it weeks ago while simultaneously DFA'ing Morales.

What other pieces do the Jays have to trade for future prospects?  I can't think of many.  None of their aging players have value.  Maybe they could get something for Happ or Estrada.  But I kind of see Happ as someone they could sign for a long-ish term to build their rotation around.  He is reliable and quite good.  Estrada does not seem like himself.  Things could go either way with him.  Who else do they have?  Bullpen guys?  I guess we did get Teoscar Hernandez for Liriano last season but I think it would be a stretch to say management could fleece a couple more teams again.  We'll see.  It's easy to look back now but the best move would have been to trade Donaldson during the off season.

By the way, did you guys see this user comment on the Sportsnet website about Jose Bautista getting DFA'ed?

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Sometimes you have to flush more than once, but it goes down.


I hated the comment and I love Jose Bautista but I have to admit that what he said was hilarious.  And actually signing Bautista for nothing right now would be exactly the type of shrewd move that Atkins and Shapiro are known for.  But I really do believe that Bautista hates the current management with all his heart.
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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #155 on: May 20, 2018, 04:51:10 PM »
4 game sweep by Oakland and they take Carlos Ramirez with them on the way out of town. Looking more and more like this season is heading down the tubes.

Super frustrating watching this team parade Biagini out there as a starter....he is awful as a starter, he is a reliever...make him into a long man as L K suggested.

Nothing has changed on the Donaldson front....still have to move him in July to the highest bidder. No need to touch Vlad Jr., Solarte is more than capable playing 3B the rest of this season. So much for the middle infield depth being addressed in the off-season. No Tulo and Travis as sadly expected, but Diaz and Ngope not currently in the mix there either. Hello Urena and Urshela!  :P

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #156 on: May 20, 2018, 04:56:26 PM »
What do you guys think? Is John Gibbons going to get fired? I'm starting to think so.

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #157 on: May 20, 2018, 06:25:49 PM »
What do you guys think? Is John Gibbons going to get fired? I'm starting to think so.


Tough to tell at this point, but you know what, I wouldn't doubt it.  I wouldn't put the all of the blame load on Gibby, but if this team doesn't shake itself out of it's reverie, then anything goes.

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #158 on: May 20, 2018, 08:32:02 PM »
What do you guys think? Is John Gibbons going to get fired? I'm starting to think so.


Tough to tell at this point, but you know what, I wouldn't doubt it.  I wouldn't put the all of the blame load on Gibby, but if this team doesn't shake itself out of it's reverie, then anything goes.
I don't blame Gibby either but I'm starting to think a change is needed.  He was great at dealing with the big egos like Bautista but I'm not sure he's the guy the younger players need right now.  Also the Osuna thing happened and clearly it's not Gibby's fault, but I have a feeling there may have been warning signs.  I think Gibbons might be too laid back and the players have run amok.  That's the impression I'm getting.  Even look at Stroman's behavior and the way he runs his mouth off.  Most managers would shut down the studio on that immediately.  Or else they would ship them out of town.  Stroman comes across as an arrogant self-entitled spoiled brat to me.  He must be cancer in the clubhouse.

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #159 on: May 21, 2018, 04:59:09 AM »
One good thing that came out of the Jays 9-2 drubbing at the hands of yhe A's Sunday afternoon was Kendrys Morales on the mound.  Morales?!  Yep.  He hadn"t pitched since his days in Cuba and he got three flyouts after issuing a walk, all in the ninth.

Gibbons had exhausted his bullpen by then so Morales got the assignment.  And a standing ovation thereafter to boot.

How's that for an afternoon of losing.  Strange entertainment. At least something for the faithful to cheer for.

Blue Jays optioned Richard Urena to Triple A Buffalo. 

Not since 2001 have the Blue Jays been swept four-zip on home turf.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-latest-loss-caps-atrocious-uncompetitive-weekend-vs-oakland/
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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #160 on: May 21, 2018, 10:17:20 AM »
Not just swept.  They were swept by Oakland (!).  Plus two of Oakland's starting pitchers went down with injuries during the series.  This was a pathetic performance by the Blue Jays.  They mailed it in.

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #161 on: May 22, 2018, 06:34:07 PM »

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Starting Pitchers:
Tuesday May 22  7pm
Garrett Richards RH (Angels) 4-2 3.47 ERA vs J.A.Happ LH (Blue Jays) 5-3 4.15. ERA


Wednesday May 23  7pm
Tyler Skaggs RH (Angels) 3-3 2.88 ERA vs Aaron Sanchez RH (Blue Jays) 2-4 4.47 ERA

Thursday May 24  1pm
Nick Tropeano RH (Angels) 1-3 4049 ERA vs Marco Estrada RH (Blue Jays) 2-4 5.15 ERA

All games on SN & SN590 radio.


Source:   FOXSports,  theStar.com,  MLB.com


The Los Angeles Angels (26-21) roll into town in a three-game series against the Toronto Blue Jays (22-25).

While the Angels are currently third in the A.L.West, 3.5 GBL Houston Astros, they sport the new kid on the baseball block, Japanese Shohei Ohtani who is batting a respectable. 321 with 6 RBIs & 17 homeruns.  Of course, the Angels also have veteran All-Star & MVP Mike Trout who has always been nothing but a handful to handle for the Jays.

As for the Blue Jays, they come off from an atrocious sweep by the Oakland Athletics in their most recent series here at home.  Actually the  descriptions is an understatement, as the Jays may very well have played their absolute worst baseball of this season.

To make matters worse still, Toronto has tumbled from third to fourth place in the A.L. East, usurped by the rising Tampa Bay Rays.  The Blue Jays are now a whopping 10.5 GBL NY Yankees. 

A nice series sweep of their own is sorely required to get the Jays back on track.

LET'S GO BLUE JAYS!
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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #162 on: May 24, 2018, 08:27:09 PM »
If they Jays can't turn it around on the upcoming road trip, management will start to blow up the team, IMO.  We're seeing lack of hustle from guys like Morales last night standing and admiring what turned out to be a single (that should have been a double) when he represented the tying run in the bottom of the ninth.  Pathetic and unacceptable, particularly considering that he has been struggling and could be DFA'ed with Guerrero coming up to replace him.

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #163 on: May 25, 2018, 02:56:29 AM »
If they Jays can't turn it around on the upcoming road trip, management will start to blow up the team, IMO.  We're seeing lack of hustle from guys like Morales last night standing and admiring what turned out to be a single (that should have been a double) when he represented the tying run in the bottom of the ninth.  Pathetic and unacceptable, particularly considering that he has been struggling and could be DFA'ed with Guerrero coming up to replace him.


That is something Jays fans are very much looking forward to.  :)

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Re: 2018 Toronto Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #164 on: May 25, 2018, 04:33:23 AM »

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Starting Pitchers:
Friday May 25  7pm
Sam Gaviglio RH (Blue Jays) 1-0 0.93 ERA vs Zack Eflin RH (Phillies) 1-0 1.56 ERA

Saturday May 26  4pm
Jaime Garcia LH (Blue Jays) 2-3 6.28 ERA vs Aaron Nolan RH (Phillies) 6-2 2.37 ERA

Sunday May 27  1:30pm
J.A.Happ RH (Blue Jays) 6-3 3.97 ERA vs Nick Pivetta RH (Phillies) 4-2 3.23 ERA

All games on SN & SN590 radio.


Source:  theStar.com, MLB.com, ESPN.com


The Toronto Blue Jays (23-27) visit Citizens Bank Park for a three-game interleague series against the Philadelphia Phillies.

The Phillies (28-16) are in second place in the N.L. East, 0.5 GBL Atlanta Braves.  Philadelphia's Mikeil Franco leads the team with 30 RBIs & seven homers.

The Blue Jays are mired in fourth in the A.L.East, 11.0 GBL Yankees, and just came off an uninspired seven game homestand where they went 1-6. 

Nothing has been going right of late for the Jays. Their starters have been atrociously inconsistent, their bullpen on the brink of wear, and their defence has been questionable.  Save for players the likes of starter J.A.Happ & hitter's Donaldson & Smoak, the rest of this squad shows little to no signs of improvement. 

To put it in perspective, Toronto's record at this point in the season is exactly the same as where they were last season.  Don't tell that to starting pitcher Marco Estrada who believes this year's edition of the Blue Jays is a much better version.  Hmm.  Try telling that to the fans, Marco.

Josh Donaldson obviously has a different view as he questions the team in all areas:

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“It has more to do with just putting a complete game together — hitting, pitching, fielding, running the bases,” suggested their best player. “All of it, we have to do it all better. It’s not that we can’t, it’s just that we need to be better and we’re not doing it as a collective group right now. I think if we didn’t have the capability that would be one thing, but we have the capability to do it.”

Read about it here:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2018/05/24/donaldson-suggests-blue-jays-failing-in-all-aspects-of-the-game.html

Key areas are in desperate need of improvement & consistency.  C'mon Blue Jays, get your act together!

LET'S GO BLUE JAYS!
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